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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1400 on: October 08, 2020, 03:55:07 PM »
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Hi Hula,

I had a similar bike commute, I started out packing my clothes and changing at work - partly because I went fast and I sweated. But as I got in better shape, and learned to go a bit slower I switched to biking 100% in my work clothes and shoes. It actually worked out to be faster overall. I do still have some strategies for poor weather that involve changing at work - like winter boots/rain boots and poncho (and I like to keep a set of spare clothes at work just in case something happens on the way).

And I would second the comment that it's easier to bike in heels than it is to walk - but you feet can get dirty if it's not dry - ALSO FENDERS are a must if you're going to bike in work clothes and it's wet on the ground...


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« Reply #1401 on: October 09, 2020, 05:09:33 AM »
@Kmp2  - thanks.  I'll have to go to the bike store in search of fenders.  I never wear real heels to work.  I currently walk to work so my go-to is flat pumps - maybe with a half to one inch heel. 

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« Reply #1402 on: October 10, 2020, 08:31:40 PM »
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Hi Hula,

I had a similar bike commute, I started out packing my clothes and changing at work - partly because I went fast and I sweated. But as I got in better shape, and learned to go a bit slower I switched to biking 100% in my work clothes and shoes. It actually worked out to be faster overall. I do still have some strategies for poor weather that involve changing at work - like winter boots/rain boots and poncho (and I like to keep a set of spare clothes at work just in case something happens on the way).

And I would second the comment that it's easier to bike in heels than it is to walk - but you feet can get dirty if it's not dry - ALSO FENDERS are a must if you're going to bike in work clothes and it's wet on the ground...

I biked to work in professional clothing and flats. Scented baby wipes are your friend, especially if you sweat.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1403 on: October 17, 2020, 11:47:17 AM »
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?

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« Reply #1404 on: October 17, 2020, 11:51:17 AM »
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?

Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1405 on: October 19, 2020, 09:14:06 AM »
It's time to put the studs on! And the pogies... since I'm not on a commuter timeline anymore I'm going to attempt to do my wheels myself this year... and that's no small feat as my main commuter bike has dynamo hub, internal gears and a fully enclosed chain guard... no quick release on this baby!

I'll let you know how it goes, and if I can figure out where all the screws and wires go back in...

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« Reply #1406 on: October 19, 2020, 04:32:23 PM »
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?

Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1407 on: October 19, 2020, 05:05:14 PM »
It's time to put the studs on! And the pogies... since I'm not on a commuter timeline anymore I'm going to attempt to do my wheels myself this year... and that's no small feat as my main commuter bike has dynamo hub, internal gears and a fully enclosed chain guard... no quick release on this baby!

I'll let you know how it goes, and if I can figure out where all the screws and wires go back in...
I don't have a clue what pogles are. I have had one morning commute where it felt like I need to get out arm/leg warmers soon.

After 6 months of working at about 50% capacity (officially WFH on alternating days, but very little access to systems I need for work) I have finally been issued a laptop and can access 99% of the systems I need from home. I was informed that I am still expected in office on alternating days (100% of my work is on computer and only one system that I use about once a quarter is not accessible over VPN). Unfortunately the notebook that I have to add to my commute is too long to fit in the bags I use. I did work out securing it by placing the laptop bag across the top of my bags and using it's shoulder strap fed between the front and back of my bike rack through the luggage handle pocket of the laptop bag. I haven't decided what I'll do when it is wet. I typically have just taken transit on days when rain was expected (perhaps 30 commute days a year for me) but I'm not thrilled about the idea of transit with COVID-19. Perhaps I'll tackle putting a fender/mudguard on my suspension fork this year. I hope my rain cover will fit over the laptop bag.


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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1408 on: October 20, 2020, 10:26:52 AM »
pogies are another word for BarMitts. They are attached to the handlebars and allow you to slide your (mitted/gloved) hand in and access the brakes and handlebars. They are essential for me to continue biking in -10C and colder :) - so not in California.

https://bikepacking.com/gear/pogies/

It did not go well... as in I haven't started that bike yet - but I did get 1 stud on the front of my cargo bike (My husbands main bike) so I can do my CSA pickup by bike today - I just have to convince a kid to come and weigh down the rear tire so I have traction. Since it's a high of 3C... I think I have good chance at getting one to go!

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1409 on: October 21, 2020, 11:24:36 AM »
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?


Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.

They make a rack mount for the Superflash so I just bought that and fingers crossed it will mount OK. Moose rack is a Burley rack that is special for towing a trailalong bike called the Piccolo. I had to get that kind because I can't attach anything to my seat post! We don't use the Piccolo anymore but my younger kid isn't ready to get rid of it... and I will probably keep the rack anyway because it's already on there and installed.

I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1410 on: October 21, 2020, 11:30:17 AM »
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?


Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.

They make a rack mount for the Superflash so I just bought that and fingers crossed it will mount OK. Moose rack is a Burley rack that is special for towing a trailalong bike called the Piccolo. I had to get that kind because I can't attach anything to my seat post! We don't use the Piccolo anymore but my younger kid isn't ready to get rid of it... and I will probably keep the rack anyway because it's already on there and installed.

I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.

No problems fitting Amazon basics rechargable batteries in a Superflash Turbo.  I've been doing so for quite a while now.

In a pinch you can also create your own rack mounts with zip ties and small scraps of PVC electrical conduit.  This gives you a round thing to clamp to that's about the same diameter as a seat post.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1411 on: October 21, 2020, 07:45:15 PM »
pogies are another word for BarMitts. They are attached to the handlebars and allow you to slide your (mitted/gloved) hand in and access the brakes and handlebars. They are essential for me to continue biking in -10C and colder :) - so not in California.
OK, I've heard of bar mitts before.

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« Reply #1412 on: October 21, 2020, 07:50:28 PM »
I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.
I've experienced this problem where the battery slides into the holder from the end. I can usually get the batteries in, but sometimes have a bit of difficulty getting them out. I think I've experienced this more with AA batteries than AAA.

The SuperFlash batteries are AAA, side loaded.

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« Reply #1413 on: October 26, 2020, 01:31:31 PM »
I've been slowly adding to my bike maintenance skills.
I have started cleaning, degreasing, and re-lubing my own chain.  My bike used to only get this done twice a year, when I bring it into the LBS for it's pre- and post-winter tuneups.  I put about 60 miles per week commuting, and most videos I watched recommended re-lubing every 2 weeks at my riding volume.  I'll be happy if I can get this done once per month.   
My question is, how do you all judge whether to use dry lube vs wet lube?  For reference, I live in Chicago.

My second question is, does anyone bleed and change their own hydraulic disc brake fluid?  Do I just buy a sub-$30 brake fluid kit and some mineral oil off amazon?


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« Reply #1414 on: October 26, 2020, 01:39:19 PM »
Lube questions are very personal.

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That said, I pick lube based on riding conditions.  If you're riding in the desert or very dry/dusty conditions, use dry lube.  The idea is that dry lube will attract less dust and debris and keep your drivetrain cleaner.  Cleaner means less wear.

It's never that dry around here, so I go between a light wet lube for spring/summer/fall riding (I use prolink progold, but there are plenty of others that are just as good) and a heavy wet lube for winter riding through salt, snow, and slush (white lighting wet ride - but again, there are others out there).

Spring/summer/fall I'll relube my chain every couple weeks (usually about 400 km) or after every long wet ride.  You don't need to go crazy, just wipe the chain off with a rag, put a drop of oil on every link, wait 10 minutes, then wipe off any excess.

Winter bike gets it's chain cleaned and then new lube after every salty ride, otherwise the chain will rust and the links will stick.

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« Reply #1415 on: October 26, 2020, 06:26:54 PM »
I lube my chain whenever I start to hear it. I don't know if that's a good measure or not, but I rarely have to ride in non-perfect weather so it's not generally urgent.

I likely need to replace my rim brakes, so I'll be looking up youtube videos for that soon.

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« Reply #1416 on: October 27, 2020, 10:48:19 AM »
Lube questions are very personal.

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That said, I pick lube based on riding conditions.  If you're riding in the desert or very dry/dusty conditions, use dry lube.  The idea is that dry lube will attract less dust and debris and keep your drivetrain cleaner.  Cleaner means less wear.

It's never that dry around here, so I go between a light wet lube for spring/summer/fall riding (I use prolink progold, but there are plenty of others that are just as good) and a heavy wet lube for winter riding through salt, snow, and slush (white lighting wet ride - but again, there are others out there).

Spring/summer/fall I'll relube my chain every couple weeks (usually about 400 km) or after every long wet ride.  You don't need to go crazy, just wipe the chain off with a rag, put a drop of oil on every link, wait 10 minutes, then wipe off any excess.

Winter bike gets it's chain cleaned and then new lube after every salty ride, otherwise the chain will rust and the links will stick.

Thanks @GuitarStv.  If you're in Toronto, then we have similar weather here in Chicago.  I was just thinking about your post as I rode in today in a snowstorm.  I only have dry lube on hand since I just started learning this over the summer.  I'll look into getting some of that white lightning wet ride, because it looks like I'll be needing it.

Anyone have any advice on changing disc brake fluid and bleeding the line?  I think I'm more hesitant to jump in on this because the stakes of messing up your brakes are higher.  What's actually going on with my brakes is there is a slow leak of fluid around one brake lever.  From what I read online of leaks in this area, if there are no obvious sources (gasket worn down or not sitting flush, or hose loose), there isn't really anything else to "fix", and you're better off just replacing the entire lever.  The leak is a very slow leak though, from the last time it was bled to the brake loosing all pressure is about 3 months, so I thought maybe I could just top off with fluid every few months.  My other brake is working fine.  I really don't want to take the bike into the shop for a $40 brake bleed if I can just top it off myself. 



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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1417 on: October 27, 2020, 11:30:48 AM »
Sorry, I've got no experience playing with disc brakes (although they're very nice to ride).  All my bikes are rim brake versions.

The wet ride lube is very thick . . . so be prepared that you'll have to clean your chain pretty regularly when you start using it.  Especially compared to dry lube, it's a dirt magnet.  It does work well to prevent rust on the chain though.

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« Reply #1418 on: November 02, 2020, 11:40:02 PM »
Anyone have any advice on changing disc brake fluid and bleeding the line?  I think I'm more hesitant to jump in on this because the stakes of messing up your brakes are higher.  What's actually going on with my brakes is there is a slow leak of fluid around one brake lever.  From what I read online of leaks in this area, if there are no obvious sources (gasket worn down or not sitting flush, or hose loose), there isn't really anything else to "fix", and you're better off just replacing the entire lever.  The leak is a very slow leak though, from the last time it was bled to the brake loosing all pressure is about 3 months, so I thought maybe I could just top off with fluid every few months.  My other brake is working fine.  I really don't want to take the bike into the shop for a $40 brake bleed if I can just top it off myself.

My MTB has hydraulic disc brakes. I say go forth and prosper. It's a pretty simple system, so use this as chance to stretch your DIY muscles. While it is a safety system, it is easy to check and troubleshoot. Bubbles are your biggest hurdle but luckily bubbles follow physics, so just ensure the reservoir is your highest point.

tl;dr - it's not as scary as it seems, YouTube is your friend. 

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« Reply #1419 on: November 11, 2020, 02:59:49 PM »
OK I screwed it up.  The threaded tip of the funnel broke within the brake fluid reservoir, on my first attempt. Needless to say, I'm quite disappointed.
I requested a refund on this bleed kit from Amazon.  I was pretty bummed at first, ready to give up and bring the bike to the LBS, but I thought I'd give it another shot, this time buying a shimano OEM kit instead. 
I used needle nosed pliers to jam into the plastic tip and unscrewed it out from the inside.  Bits of plastic were crumbling but I think I got all of it out.

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« Reply #1420 on: November 11, 2020, 03:01:56 PM »
Nice job!


I have no experience with bleeding hydraulics on bikes, but it always looked kinda fiddly.

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« Reply #1421 on: November 11, 2020, 07:14:42 PM »
Nice job!

@erutio
Agreed!
I find the first time to be the biggest mental hurdle.  Now it'll be easier and easier, even if you only notice a slight improvement each time (I'm looking at you, Gear Indexing).

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« Reply #1422 on: November 12, 2020, 11:13:56 AM »
Nice job!

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Agreed!
I find the first time to be the biggest mental hurdle.  Now it'll be easier and easier, even if you only notice a slight improvement each time (I'm looking at you, Gear Indexing).

This is true. Well, by the 10th time I did gear indexing it finally started to click and I didn't have to reference the tutorial video for every step.

I'm also no help with hydraulic brakes. Spawn1's bike has cable actuated disc brakes and I can confirm that they're very different from the rim brakes I'm used to. Especially when she mysteriously knocks them out of alignment. At least I'm getting quite a bit of practice.

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« Reply #1423 on: November 13, 2020, 12:25:29 PM »
I have a 7 mile commute each way, but ride an e-bike.  That, and the fact I ride in (or did pre-COVID) the early morning when temperatures are generally quite cool where I live, allows me to wear my work clothes on the bike.  If I have to bike in later and/or it's hot and sunny out, I carry my work clothes and change once I arrive.  That's quite rare but has happened recently. 

For the commute home, when it's often warm/hot and sunny, I wear athletic clothing, turn down the electric boost, and get my sweat on.

Mine is similar but lots of hills. Ebike keeps it fun..

Anyone newly trying to ride to work: do test runs on the weekend when you can wear casual clothes and see if you like it. Also scope out places to lock up your bike. Watch videos on best ways to lock up your bike.

Your commute is short but I still test out new routes. Tried one recently that involved a very short 500 ft run on the shoulder of a busy road. Nope!
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« Reply #1424 on: November 13, 2020, 12:26:02 PM »
I wanted to join this thread and do my bit for the environment, but I'm really struggling to convince my fiance on this one.

She keeps arguing that it's completely unnecessary to cycle from the bedroom to my desk in the spare room.

At least it would be safe and traffic would be light. Oh - and flat!

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« Reply #1425 on: November 13, 2020, 12:36:08 PM »
I lube my chain whenever I start to hear it. I don't know if that's a good measure or not, but I rarely have to ride in non-perfect weather so it's not generally urgent.

I likely need to replace my rim brakes, so I'll be looking up youtube videos for that soon.

Consider upgrading to disc brakes eventually. Wet stopping is much better than rim brakes. My brake pads last alot longer too.

Tektro has cable brake kits with rotor, caliper and pads for ~$25 per wheel. Other affordable brands are out there too of course.

Your bike needs mounting holes for the bolts and your wheels need hubs that accept rotors.
They are still cable brakes but if you aren't riding in mud, salt, freezing weather, etc. I think cable brakes are fine. Hydraulic is nicer but whatever. Hydraulics = lighter touch to stop.

When my wheels wore out, I switched to discs. Love them far more than I though I would. 3000+ miles on the Tektro brakes and no problems. They need 2 mins of adjustments with an Allen wrench from time to time as the pads wear.

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« Reply #1426 on: November 13, 2020, 12:47:43 PM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

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« Reply #1427 on: November 13, 2020, 12:57:23 PM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1428 on: November 13, 2020, 01:07:39 PM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

Interesting! I never gave much thought about this. Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #1429 on: November 15, 2020, 09:13:05 AM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.
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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1430 on: November 15, 2020, 10:31:22 PM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.

+1
I really like the example of strobe lights growing up. When you and your friends are in a dark room with a strobe light, it's pretty trippy to try to follow your friends' movements. This is the same effect when we ride with only strobe lights at night.
Also, the descriptors "Be Seen" lights and "To See" lights is handy way to remember the differences (daytime vs nighttime): flashing during the day, solid after dusk.

Here's some places to learn more.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/LED-headlights.html
https://cyclingsavvy.org/2020/10/bicycle-lights/

*Also a plug for riding in primary position (not edge riding): reflective items are very dependent on the observation angle and reflective angle. When we're on the edge, the reflective items don't make us as visible as we think they do.
Riding in front of the vehicle is the best visibility location.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1431 on: November 16, 2020, 07:45:11 AM »
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.

+1
I really like the example of strobe lights growing up. When you and your friends are in a dark room with a strobe light, it's pretty trippy to try to follow your friends' movements. This is the same effect when we ride with only strobe lights at night.
Also, the descriptors "Be Seen" lights and "To See" lights is handy way to remember the differences (daytime vs nighttime): flashing during the day, solid after dusk.

Tiny addendum to this - a strobing rear light is bad to use at night if you're riding in perfect darkness.  If the vehicles behind you have headlights that are on, this doesn't really apply as soon as you get in the range of their headlights (because the headlights will significantly overpower the tiny flashing bike light).  If you're riding on city streets lit by streetlights, or in a busy/bright downtown core this concern about flashing does not apply and the strobing light makes you significantly more visible.




*Also a plug for riding in primary position (not edge riding): reflective items are very dependent on the observation angle and reflective angle. When we're on the edge, the reflective items don't make us as visible as we think they do.
Riding in front of the vehicle is the best visibility location.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html

Learning when to take the lane is an important part of learning to safely cycle in traffic.

Never assume that reflective items are working as expected though.  They're simply unreliable.  They don't work at all in dusk settings when many vehicles are driving around without their headlights on.  They work at radically reduced efficiency when there is precipitation going on . . . fog, snow, and rain all seriously reduce how well reflectors work because they block the light getting to them and then getting back from them.

It was really eye opening doing some tests in front of my wife's car with my cycling gear and discovering the things that work or don't.  I'd strongly encourage anyone who commutes regularly in the dark to do similar with their own gear.

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« Reply #1432 on: November 16, 2020, 10:18:09 AM »
I decided to spring for a SuperFlash Turbo on the advice of those in this thread.  I'm pretty happy with my visibility at night, but want to improve my visibility in low light conditions (especially as I plan to move to an overcast/rainy area of the country in the next year). 

Took some effort to find a good place to mount it, as I use a rear rack and trunk bag, with space needed for panniers and my trailer hitch connection (on the rear rack).  Think I eventually found a spot and secured it with a couple of zip ties. 

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Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
« Reply #1433 on: November 16, 2020, 04:21:14 PM »
Tiny addendum to this - a strobing rear light is bad to use at night if you're riding in perfect darkness.  If the vehicles behind you have headlights that are on, this doesn't really apply as soon as you get in the range of their headlights (because the headlights will significantly overpower the tiny flashing bike light).  If you're riding on city streets lit by streetlights, or in a busy/bright downtown core this concern about flashing does not apply and the strobing light makes you significantly more visible.

Good add, the referenced articles go into that. I definitely go with one flashing and one solid.

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« Reply #1434 on: November 18, 2020, 10:56:49 AM »
I was thinking the problem with trying to provide solid lights that help with gauging distance is that it is usually quite difficult to get enough width on a bike. However, the distance between lights could be vertical. I currently ride with my SuperFlash Turbo clipped to the back of my helmet and another flashing red light on my rack. On the front I have a similar flashing white light and a Blaze 150 that I use when it is dark. I'll have to consider switching the red lights to solid if I'm ever riding where it is truly dark (probably would need a better headlight too).

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« Reply #1435 on: November 18, 2020, 03:20:46 PM »
The cargo rack mount I bought for the Superflash did not make sense with the rack I have. Couldn't figure it out. Fortunately, it only took me a minute to realize that I don't have to mount it at all because clips very nicely onto my Wald basket!

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« Reply #1436 on: November 18, 2020, 04:58:58 PM »
The cargo rack mount I bought for the Superflash did not make sense with the rack I have. Couldn't figure it out. Fortunately, it only took me a minute to realize that I don't have to mount it at all because clips very nicely onto my Wald basket!

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« Reply #1437 on: November 18, 2020, 05:04:33 PM »
I was thinking the problem with trying to provide solid lights that help with gauging distance is that it is usually quite difficult to get enough width on a bike. However, the distance between lights could be vertical. I currently ride with my SuperFlash Turbo clipped to the back of my helmet and another flashing red light on my rack. On the front I have a similar flashing white light and a Blaze 150 that I use when it is dark. I'll have to consider switching the red lights to solid if I'm ever riding where it is truly dark (probably would need a better headlight too).

I hear ya. I mostly ride in a Dark Sky city but sometimes do some rides in a metropolitan city that's lit up like a football field. There's so much that you never knew you never knew until biking is your main form of transport, I find it fun :) It makes me passionate about education since drivers/non-bikers/beginners just are not set up for success in understanding the wide world of cycling.

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« Reply #1438 on: December 25, 2020, 07:49:42 PM »
Haven’t dropped in this thread in quite a while.

Now that my daily bike commute is over due to Covid, I don’t want to keep my bike in my 1 bedroom apt all the time. We have a back patio and a place to lock my back up underneath the patio, but should I be concerned about the elements? I’m in Northern CA, so there isn’t a ton of rain and the patio blocks 99% of the rain. However, a small amount of water may splash and the general outdoor weather. I have about a 1k Trek bike. Should I not keep it outside or does this seem like a suitable storage location?

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« Reply #1439 on: December 26, 2020, 09:48:29 AM »
Throw a tarp over it and securely lock it.  The tarp helps hide the bike from thieves and keep weather off it.

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« Reply #1440 on: December 26, 2020, 06:12:52 PM »
Throw a tarp over it and securely lock it.  The tarp helps hide the bike from thieves and keep weather off it.

Ditto. Or use my coworker's trick and cover it with a BBQ cover. Thieves will think it's a BBQ, which are apparently less interesting to steal.

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« Reply #1441 on: December 27, 2020, 01:49:48 AM »
Have a locked/gated backyard, with it u-locked and tethered to a metal post. Assuming it’d be impossible to steal, but ya never know. Worst comes to worst, I believe my renters insurance would cover it? Minus the deductible of course.

Will definitely get a tarp for weather though.

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« Reply #1442 on: December 29, 2020, 07:50:38 PM »
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

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« Reply #1443 on: January 01, 2021, 01:54:30 AM »
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?

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« Reply #1444 on: January 01, 2021, 11:21:27 PM »
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?
It's about an 11km round trip so not long at all but a whole lot of hills in heavyish traffic that I try get through asap. When I am in condition, I barely notice it. After an 8 month break, going in a few weeks ago wrecked my glutes for a fortnight!

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« Reply #1445 on: January 02, 2021, 02:08:38 AM »
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?
It's about an 11km round trip so not long at all but a whole lot of hills in heavyish traffic that I try get through asap. When I am in condition, I barely notice it. After an 8 month break, going in a few weeks ago wrecked my glutes for a fortnight!

Sorry to hear about your glutes. Hope they have recovered by now! I used to have a 32km round trip, but on a completely flat road and for 95% next to a river and 100% on a dedicated bikeway. I hate cycling on the same road as cars, especially if there's a high speed limit. I totally get that you want to get through as fast as possible.

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« Reply #1446 on: January 05, 2021, 04:20:25 PM »
First ride of 2021 happened today for me; spent about 1.5 hours of a 2 hour lunch break to ride 18 miles (working from home today).

I got a Mi Smart Band 4 for Christmas but have yet to figure out how to log my rides with it. I've been using Ride with GPS to record my rides and sync them with Strava for a few months; I think tracking with the Ride with GPS app is preventing the Mi Fit app from using GPS location services.

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« Reply #1447 on: February 04, 2021, 03:31:01 PM »
I have had 3 rides so far in 2021... so many fewer than last year :( - Thanks covid!

Today's was brilliant sun, above freezing and slushy, snirty caky snow! It was a workout.
and I got a bike in just before we dip into a very cold snap tomorrow and another 10cm of snow is expected.

I'm still running my step-through full chain guard IGH Dyanmo bike with just a front stud - it seems fine. Alternatively we have cargo bike with two studded tires if I feel better with that so I probably won't attempt a full tire change on the tricky bike this year.


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« Reply #1448 on: February 05, 2021, 01:23:14 PM »
I've not been biking to work, but riding an electric skateboard instead, I take my dog with me everywhere and he likes to run while I skateboard. I live 2.3 miles from work and out of the 15 work days I've bike 12 of them. The 3 days I drove were in snowstorms.

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« Reply #1449 on: February 06, 2021, 01:03:19 PM »
We are heading back in to office and it's getting me back on my bike. I've been taking it slow and steady on the commute which seems to be helping me avoid the glute problems I was having in December. It feels really good to be riding again.