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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #150 on: June 07, 2018, 08:21:01 PM »
Perhaps I misread, but I get the impression that on sauce-meat days, they come as a unit. Not sauce + meat as options, but sauce IN meat. Makes it far more difficult.
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #151 on: June 07, 2018, 10:19:33 PM »
If this were me:

Oatmeal/cereal + fruit + dash of milk OR egg + toast for breakfast most days, depending on whether early carbs or early protein/fat does better for you.

Lunch and dinner: Get at least half your plate in veg. Is the veg usually seasoned with anything other than oil? If not, GREAT. Bring some spices with you, and season your veg yourself. That way you can get some variety in if that makes it easier.

Are the plates huge? If so, maybe bring your own smaller plate and use that (if you have the facilities to bring it/wash it easily)?


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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #152 on: June 08, 2018, 06:20:37 AM »
The 0400-0800 watch was always my favorite, as you get to experience the quiet awakening of dawn. However, that leaves you with at most 5 hours of sleep per night, and sleep deprivation always triggers carb cravings for me. Dieting while at sea and tired blows (sorry that this isn't advice).

ElleFiji's advice on eggs +soylent/vega + sanity tacos is probably as good as it gets. If your cooks will make you a few hard boiled eggs at breakfast for you to eat at other meals instead of the other lunch and supper options, that would be great. Sucking up to cooks is always a good idea. Can you bribe them with gift cards for every pound that you lose at sea? (This will of course depend on your leadership style).
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #153 on: June 08, 2018, 08:13:05 AM »
Oof! That sleep schedule. That's gotta f-up the metabolism.

Yay for only drinking water and coffee. Good start.

How much soylent suffering can you stand? 1 meal per day? 2 per day? For me personally, I don't care about breakfast, so I could do soylent then and not get tired of it. It's probably the best choice for mid-rat as well if that's practical. For lunch and dinner - protein + lots of veg. Eat that iceberg lettuce while it lasts.

I feel for your dilemma. You can't really exercise, you can't sleep decently, you can't eat all that well and yet the military demands you lose weight. Like @deborah suggests, you may need to be hard core on land and just try to hold the line while at sea.

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #154 on: June 08, 2018, 09:10:55 AM »
Emergency tuna pouches? You can even get them with flavors now. That, and canned sardines with hot sauce packets, make great emergency low carb travel food, and I assume would apply here to. Downside: people will hate your smell. Upside: you're scary, so they probably won't say anything =)
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #155 on: June 08, 2018, 03:18:20 PM »
Oof! That sleep schedule. That's gotta f-up the metabolism.

I was wondering about that . . . Any chance of going to sleep earlier than the 2200 lights out?  I see that the time before that is for "wind down."  Maybe wind all the way down and crash?  I've had a couple jobs that required super early hours (like 3 or 4 am) and I managed by shifting my sleep hours earlier.

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #156 on: June 08, 2018, 03:56:36 PM »
Emergency tuna pouches? You can even get them with flavors now. That, and canned sardines with hot sauce packets, make great emergency low carb travel food, and I assume would apply here to. Downside: people will hate your smell. Upside: you're scary, so they probably won't say anything =)

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #157 on: June 08, 2018, 04:59:00 PM »
Emergency tuna pouches? You can even get them with flavors now. That, and canned sardines with hot sauce packets, make great emergency low carb travel food, and I assume would apply here to. Downside: people will hate your smell. Upside: you're scary, so they probably won't say anything =)

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My husband is not a kitty, either, but he primarily subsists on sardines during busy work times. Especially night shifts.
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #158 on: June 08, 2018, 06:09:41 PM »
Indeed. The lean meat and veg idea is the obvious default for healthy shipboard diet. I've attended many Safety Sunday meeting, reminding me of this advice. Hell, I've run Safety Sunday meetings reminding my underfuckers that lean meats and veg is the way to stay healthy shipboard. Despite this my approach towards lean means and veg is analogous to the non-mustachian who knows he really should stick to a budget. We all know how that goes.

I think the key might be deciding what meat n' veg combinations are easy for me to stick to, and what should be avoided. I don't generally overeat on the steak and asparagus days, but tater tot day is ugly carnage. Meals that can't be self regulated can simply be avoided via Soylent, or emergency fish over stupid, pointless iceberg lettuce.

I'll need some sort of carb intake, though. I've mostly enjoyed (in a type II fun kind of way) my experiments with ketosis, but it's not viable metabolic state on ship. And I'll have to walk the line of spurning the galley's offerings. Having the second in command routinely shunning the galley food is the fast track to really shitty moral.

The real bummer is that I have to pay for 3 meals a day, no matter what I actually consume. Imma very quickly find myself in the unenviable position of double paying for my meals. Though, I guess balking is the very definition of penny wise and pound foolish.*




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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #159 on: June 08, 2018, 06:11:20 PM »
Based on your description, weight loss underway without losing health is difficult but doable.

Agree with the idea that maybe losing a bit more onshore would be a good move, take some pressure off the shipboard months. But some progress each month probably needed to preserve career. Continuing respectful but strong disagreement with use of soylent.

Based on the meal plan described, how about:

Mid-rat - Nothing! Train the body, save $, go hardcore. (If this won't work, find a trail mix serving equal to one clif bar.  Have one serving of the thing of your choice.)

Breakfast - fruit, oatmeal serving, egg serving.  Special days (1 or 2 per week) substitute sausage for egg. 

Lunch - 2 vegetable portions, 1 meat portion, no carb. On Tuesday, eat tacos (few enough to assuage a Catholic's guilt).

Dinner - vegetable, fish, salad. If no salad, 2d portion of vegetable.

ETA - ah, keeping cooks happy is important for command. Still, I support avoiding tater tots. Perhaps on selected meals, dinner fish replaced by dinner meat. Note that eating double vegetables partly makes up for some carb skips, as does eating a full meat portion.
Would the bulk of this post (which was written before the post above it) be morale-friendly and just...barely...achievable?
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #160 on: June 08, 2018, 06:14:08 PM »
Easily stored and prepped carbs: sweet potato. Microwave. Butter, cinnamon.
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #161 on: June 08, 2018, 06:35:23 PM »
Could you get the navies onside by explaining the situation to them, and getting them to help?

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #162 on: June 08, 2018, 07:17:54 PM »
1) You're hilarious!

2) Sure, XO needs to eat galley food... but I think that your underfuckers* will understand if you let them know that it's the weight or the job. They may surprise you by actually being supportive. If not, you can just unleash some carb-withdrawal-fueled wrath and drill them until they cry.

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #163 on: June 11, 2018, 06:00:35 PM »
Update!

One week post ship departure, and I'm at 180.6. This seems accurate, given my previous timeline for shedding extra water weight. This leaves me up 3lbs, which isn't the best ever, but it could have been worse.


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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #164 on: June 12, 2018, 02:33:06 PM »
You can do this.
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #165 on: June 12, 2018, 04:59:00 PM »
I can definitely understand why the ship is a tough environment. Lots of stress, little sleep, little if any opportunity to exercise. HARD!!! If you are looking for help you share what is typically available and we could brainstorm a meal plan with you. Soylent + Dinner does not sound terrible under the circumstances.
Plus, not sure how healthy the food is.  My ship time was long ago, and very limited...but the food wasn't awesome.

I aim to make 50-75% of my meals be plants like fruit and vegetables (by volume).  Not sure how possible that is.

Edited to add: read further about your typical fare on board.  Here's what I would do:
Breakfast: protein and carb.  For me, this is eggs & toast, or yogurt and fruit, or eggs and fruit, or oatmeal with peanut butter or nut.  I *need* a carb in the morning (grain) to keep my brain functioning.

Snack: fruit and nuts

Lunch: Salad.  Always a salad.  So for me, that means 75% by volume of what I am eating is vegetables, and not the carby-kind that you sometimes get stuck with in the military.  The other 1/4 is usually fat/ protein - cheese/ meat/ nuts.

Dinner: carb/protein/veg.  So 1/2 or more of my plate is veg, 1/4 carb, 1/4 protein.

You could swap the combo in lunch/ dinner - depending on what you get.  The thing to note is that as far as "carbs" (aka grains, potatoes), I get 2-4 servings a day only. It's REALLY helped maintain my weight.  Plus not eating wheat really eliminates a lot of temptation.

Your veg options don't sound great, but if that's what you've got...but no, I agree, corn not a vegetable.

(note: after having my second kid at 42, I lost the 30 pounds of baby weight that were left, and then I gave up wheat and lost a few more.  I'm down 35 lbs from there.  5'2" in the low 130s.  I used a program to help me get here but the way I eat is just kind of where I ended up.  Funnily enough, it's super close to this new Beachbody eating plan that just came out.)
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #166 on: June 13, 2018, 01:03:14 PM »
Thanks, @mm1970, and everyone else. Solid advice.

178.0 this morning. I'm cautiously pleased. The ship was bad, but I can do better next time and I'm solidly back on the horse.

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #167 on: June 13, 2018, 01:08:02 PM »
178.0 this morning. I'm cautiously pleased.

Woo! That's excellent! (I am incautiously pleased.)
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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #168 on: June 14, 2018, 08:33:18 AM »
178.0 this morning. I'm cautiously pleased.

Woo! That's excellent! (I am incautiously pleased.)

Way to go, SS.

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #169 on: June 14, 2018, 09:20:09 AM »
Go Sam go! Even if the ship was bad, you are lower than where you started. No progress is monotonic -- there's always slips and foibles -- and now you're back to it, armed with more information about the ship diet and how it does or doesn't work for you.  I too am incautiously pleased!

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Re: Run, Tubby-Tubby, run!
« Reply #170 on: June 14, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
Go go Sam!

I have no further diet advice beyond what others here have given you. My current "lose the baby weight" routine is similar to what's being suggested, so I'm in this with you. If you need to text someone and complain or commiserate.

Question, while on shore are you using your fancypants new bike as your main transportation? Or are you finding other ways to get around?  And what would you find motivating to exercise more? I know it's diet that counts for losing weight but exercise has never hurt anyone in their quest to be leaner. Plus, way easier to dish out pushups when you can do plenty of your own. :)