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neo von retorch

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #100 on: October 30, 2021, 12:40:45 PM »
Welcome to the race, Neo!

I must say, DOUBLING your net worth in 2020 is an amazing accomplishment! Great job there!

Thanks! It's not exactly "net worth" nor is it exactly "doubling :)

My invested assets increased 54.3% though. And my mortgage debt decreased 31.4% (with selling the rental.) Meanwhile trailing 12 month expenses dropped 22.2%

So yeah. Also thanks - I realized the % column in my spreadsheet was (invested assets - mortgage / TTM expenses without P&I) which isn't really the one I want to track. Adding the one where I don't pay off the mortgage :)

Posting updated numbers...

2015 (August): 16.3%
2015: 20.06%
2016: 13.15% (ah the difference of a mortgage)
2017: 14.4%
2018: 18.6%
2019: 23.9%
2020: 46.0% (sold rental)
2021 Q1: 52.8%
2021 Q2: 55.5%
2021 Q3: 56.7%

I track both... in a nice chart where Green rising up to Red means Christmas... er... FI!
« Last Edit: October 30, 2021, 12:43:14 PM by neo von retorch »

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2021, 06:55:31 AM »
I track both... in a nice chart where Green rising up to Red means Christmas... er... FI!

I love your chart! I don't have the patience to track expenses monthly. They're in my budget and all that, but I spend money on a lot of things now that I don't plan to spend money on post FIRE. At the end of every year I review all my spending for the year and calculate "normal" spending and then look at how much "extra" I spent on one-time things and how realistic that would be post FIRE. I adjust my FIRE number accordingly after that.

Honestly, I love your way, and I'm debating figuring out how I could do that myself without taking too much time...

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2021, 07:04:10 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%

2021     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
April:25.00%29.02%
May:26.29%32.87%
June:26.89%33.61%
July:27.87%34.84%
August:28.69%35.87%
September:29.97%37.47%
October:29.64%37.05%
November:31.34%39.18%

Update:
Well, I hit a milestone today: 30%!! This means I'm at my Net Worth goal for the year, which is pretty cool.

October, it turns out, was an expensive month for me. We finally decided to pull the trigger on a bunch of house projects for our 50-year-old home. We've got a few more to go before its all said and done so I'm not sure how significant my progress will through the end of the year. Fixing the house is expensive and seemingly never ending!

Still, it feels good to have hit the financial goals for the year. Regardless of progress from this point forward, I suspect I'll look back on this year as a successful one!

« Last Edit: November 01, 2021, 07:06:32 AM by alcon835 »

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2021, 03:46:52 PM »
Slower month, but still moving in the right direction!


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*

September 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
October 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
November 2021: 8.44%; 5.03%

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #104 on: November 30, 2021, 05:44:34 AM »


Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%

2021:

January: 54.18%
February: 55.69%
March: 56.96%
April: 60.46%
May: 60.54%
June: 62.17%
July: 64.14%
August: 65.79%
September: 63.63%
October: 66.80%
November: 67.67%

I'm getting excited to update the year end number soon. 2021 has been good to us, both financially and personally.


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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #105 on: November 30, 2021, 07:39:53 AM »
Y'all are going great!!!    Whoopee!!!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2021, 11:42:26 AM »
Markets took me backwards this month, fortunately I have been able to take advantage of the sale!


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*

SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #107 on: December 03, 2021, 07:51:04 AM »
Sure, I'll play.

Here are my criteria for FIRE:

1. Have passive income of $200k/yr, OR
2. Have NW of $5MM

I'm at 10% on the first criteria, and about 20% in the second.

Though I feel like the market moves quite slowly for me to sort of update my percentages each month, so I might come back each quarter and update my progress.

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #108 on: December 04, 2021, 09:28:20 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%

2021     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
April:25.00%29.02%
May:26.29%32.87%
June:26.89%33.61%
July:27.87%34.84%
August:28.69%35.87%
September:29.97%37.47%
October:29.64%37.05%
November:31.34%39.18%
December:31.03%38.79%

Update:
A bit of a drop at the end of November with all the Omicron stuff + a SIGNIFICANT amount of spending. We are spending like crazy right now to get the house the way we want it. Good time to invest though, so I'm taking advantage of it by pouring all my extra dollars in to the market!

Either way, still plugging along. I was hoping Christmas spending would give me a bit of a bump right here at the end, but it didn't happen. Oh well! Looking forward to seeing what the markets do in December and putting together my EOY update later this month.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2021, 09:31:45 AM by alcon835 »

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2021, 03:09:56 AM »
I'm around 5.6% of the way to what I think my FI figure will be.  :')

Just over a year later, I'm around 10% of the way to a lean FI figure.

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2021, 06:25:04 AM »
I'm around 5.6% of the way to what I think my FI figure will be.  :')

Just over a year later, I'm around 10% of the way to a lean FI figure.

That's great!    That's enough of a cushion to turn a dammit into an oh, bother.   That's big!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #111 on: December 13, 2021, 09:19:33 AM »
I'm around 5.6% of the way to what I think my FI figure will be.  :')

Just over a year later, I'm around 10% of the way to a lean FI figure.

That's great!    That's enough of a cushion to turn a dammit into an oh, bother.   That's big!

Yeah, that's really true.  I don't really 'think' about money anymore.  There is no spontaneous occurrence that could happen that I couldn't pay for tomorrow (or that insurance wouldn't cover).  It's such a nice position to find myself in.

We're expecting our first child next year and the 'cushion' we've accumulated means DW can take the full year of maternity leave that she's entitled to and I can have a month more than usual - and we won't be penny-pinching.  Priceless memories that we couldn't have afforded if we didn't get our act together a few years ago.

My financial progress in the next calendar year won't be as good, it's possible it could stay around 10%, or even go backwards if the stock market crashes, but it's nice knowing I can give my child 100% of my attention without money concerns in the back of my brain.

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2021, 10:59:15 AM »
I'm around 5.6% of the way to what I think my FI figure will be.  :')

Just over a year later, I'm around 10% of the way to a lean FI figure.

That’s awesome, I’m at about the same level.  I hit 10% back in July and am now at about 11.5% (going pretty slow and steady at the moment).  10% is the most exciting milestone so far, it’s wild to be able to drop $2k-5k on something unexpected and not even feel it. 

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #113 on: December 14, 2021, 11:04:12 AM »
I'm around 5.6% of the way to what I think my FI figure will be.  :')

Just over a year later, I'm around 10% of the way to a lean FI figure.

That's great!    That's enough of a cushion to turn a dammit into an oh, bother.   That's big!

Yeah, that's really true.  I don't really 'think' about money anymore.  There is no spontaneous occurrence that could happen that I couldn't pay for tomorrow (or that insurance wouldn't cover).  It's such a nice position to find myself in.

We're expecting our first child next year and the 'cushion' we've accumulated means DW can take the full year of maternity leave that she's entitled to and I can have a month more than usual - and we won't be penny-pinching.  Priceless memories that we couldn't have afforded if we didn't get our act together a few years ago.

My financial progress in the next calendar year won't be as good, it's possible it could stay around 10%, or even go backwards if the stock market crashes, but it's nice knowing I can give my child 100% of my attention without money concerns in the back of my brain.

You haven't reached 100% FI, but you've definitely won an important race!    Congrats!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #114 on: December 23, 2021, 05:10:11 PM »
Don't forget to update your FI % for the end of the year!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #115 on: December 31, 2021, 10:49:21 AM »


Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%
2021: 69.38%


2021:

January: 54.18%
February: 55.69%
March: 56.96%
April: 60.46%
May: 60.54%
June: 62.17%
July: 64.14%
August: 65.79%
September: 63.63%
October: 66.80%
November: 67.67%
December: 69.38%

Just a touch off from breaking 70% because of a market dip there at the end. Oh well, it was a good financial year anyway, especially considering that we had a baby and took a combined 8 months off work, bought a house, and moved across the country. I'm looking forward to seeing all of your updates, and welcoming 2022! Happy New Year everyone. Stay healthy!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #116 on: December 31, 2021, 12:51:55 PM »
Q3 Update

2015 (August): 16.3%
2015: 20.06%
2016: 13.15% (ah the difference of a mortgage)
2017: 14.4%
2018: 18.6%
2019: 23.9%
2020: 46.0% (sold rental)
2021 Q1: 52.8%
2021 Q2: 55.5%
2021 Q3: 56.7%
2021 Q4: 60.0%

(It's actually 59.99% in my spreadsheet, so that's staring me in the face. Also I know my numbers are fudged slightly as, while the markets are closed, not all accounts are fully updated yet.)

Our 4% of investments continues to march upward, but our 12 month trailing expenses are lumpy. We should work on those...

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2022, 09:59:28 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:tbdtbd

Update:
Well 2021 sure was good to me financially! Increased my Net Worth by a whole 10%!!! That's pretty bonkers and I can't expect every year to be this good (though here's hoping...).


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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2022, 04:04:42 PM »
Made it to 10% for 2021! I'm hoping to reach 18% in 2022 with a stretch goal of 20%!


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*

SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%

Great to see everyone's year end progress, cheers to reaching your goals for 2022!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2022, 04:14:14 PM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:tbdtbd

Update:
Well 2021 sure was good to me financially! Increased my Net Worth by a whole 10%!!! That's pretty bonkers and I can't expect every year to be this good (though here's hoping...).

I have good news for you!    While your percentage gain may not always be so big, you've got enough of an FI% reached that it will be easier and easier for really nice net worth gains....

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #120 on: January 03, 2022, 01:40:18 PM »
Update for end of 2021. Making progress!

201920202021
January11%23%36%
February12%24%37%
March12%21%39%
April14%24%41%
May15%26%42%
June15%26%43%
July15%28%44%
August16%30%47%
September     16%29%46%
October17%30%49%
November18%33%50%
December22%35%52%

YoY increase of over 17% for 2021! Estimating we hit 100% in August of 2025 (based on a linear curve fit). I will be doing a deeper dive into expected expenses in retirement as well as the SWR we want to use. Right now we are using 4%, but thinking of reducing it to 3.5%. What do you all use for your SWR?

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #121 on: January 03, 2022, 02:45:18 PM »
Update for end of 2021. Making progress!

201920202021
January11%23%36%
February12%24%37%
March12%21%39%
April14%24%41%
May15%26%42%
June15%26%43%
July15%28%44%
August16%30%47%
September     16%29%46%
October17%30%49%
November18%33%50%
December22%35%52%

YoY increase of over 17% for 2021! Estimating we hit 100% in August of 2025 (based on a linear curve fit). I will be doing a deeper dive into expected expenses in retirement as well as the SWR we want to use. Right now we are using 4%, but thinking of reducing it to 3.5%. What do you all use for your SWR?

Wow, @trc4897 , that's some serious progress!   


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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #122 on: January 04, 2022, 07:06:08 AM »
Update for end of 2021. Making progress!

201920202021
January11%23%36%
February12%24%37%
March12%21%39%
April14%24%41%
May15%26%42%
June15%26%43%
July15%28%44%
August16%30%47%
September     16%29%46%
October17%30%49%
November18%33%50%
December22%35%52%

YoY increase of over 17% for 2021! Estimating we hit 100% in August of 2025 (based on a linear curve fit). I will be doing a deeper dive into expected expenses in retirement as well as the SWR we want to use. Right now we are using 4%, but thinking of reducing it to 3.5%. What do you all use for your SWR?

Wow, @trc4897 , that's some serious progress!

Thanks!

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #123 on: January 04, 2022, 10:39:51 AM »

YoY increase of over 17% for 2021! Estimating we hit 100% in August of 2025 (based on a linear curve fit). I will be doing a deeper dive into expected expenses in retirement as well as the SWR we want to use. Right now we are using 4%, but thinking of reducing it to 3.5%. What do you all use for your SWR?

Wow, congratulations on the excellent progress! SWR is a question I struggle with too. My 'full FI' number is based on 4%, but I intentionally overestimate my future expenses which essentially builds in a big buffer. I don't know the right answer, but I do know I will be revisiting the Trinity study basis and the 4% rule thread before pulling the plug on paid work. I read through all that stuff when I found MMM, but I have forgotten more than I knew at this point.

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« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2022, 07:51:42 AM »

YoY increase of over 17% for 2021! Estimating we hit 100% in August of 2025 (based on a linear curve fit). I will be doing a deeper dive into expected expenses in retirement as well as the SWR we want to use. Right now we are using 4%, but thinking of reducing it to 3.5%. What do you all use for your SWR?

Wow, congratulations on the excellent progress! SWR is a question I struggle with too. My 'full FI' number is based on 4%, but I intentionally overestimate my future expenses which essentially builds in a big buffer. I don't know the right answer, but I do know I will be revisiting the Trinity study basis and the 4% rule thread before pulling the plug on paid work. I read through all that stuff when I found MMM, but I have forgotten more than I knew at this point.

I think about this a lot too. My FIRE number is based on a 4% withdraw and my Lean FIRE is based on 5%. Both numbers assume a fairly lavish lifestyle and no side-hustle income (both of which are probably inaccurate). Once a year a re-evaluate the Trinity study and check out all the updates (there's always someone doing an update to that study!) and so far it's been accurate for the entire history of the US stock market. The past doesn't mean anything for the future and all that, but I get around the fear of needing less of a withdraw through a few things:

  • Being able to cut back in lean years - this is the big one. Being able to cut my withdraw to 2% or 3% if needed in a lean year adds an INSANE amount of confidence. Not only would I be taking advantage of only a 4% or less withdraw in the glut years, in the lean years I'd be drastically reducing my withdraw rate. COVID proved we could do this effectively.
  • two years of additional savings - my plan is to have one year of expenses in cash and a second year in savings bonds. This will give me two years of a 0% withdraw rate if I need it. Again, through the history of the stock market, a two year buffer is more than generous to weather a storm.

The past is no prediction of the future and all that, but as I look at the numbers and history itself, I can't see a situation where the US remains as a country and the above situation doesn't work out. And if the US economy utterly collapses and there is no more future as an American...well there are a lot of things I'll need to be concerned with and the value of my portfolio won't be on that list.

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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2022, 06:41:40 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:31.63%39.54%

Update:
Like everyone else, I've taken a hit this month. As an overall percentage of my FIRE goal, it's not so bad. Like always, it's somewhat jarring to see the sudden hit to my investments.

With that in mind, I did a quick check of the 4% rule against VTSAX. I made the assumption that someone starts with a $1,000,000 stash on December 1st 2020 and withdraws a flat $40,000 every year starting December 1st 2001 until December 1st 2021. I was doing it all by hand so I didn't adjust for inflation and I didn't add compounding dividend growth. I may do that later this week.

FIREing in December of 2000 is a pretty terrible time to do it. In a year, they went from $1,000,000 to $850,000. Due to drops in the market, they don't get back above that $850,000 until December 2006, where this person once again has $892,000 in their account. Unfortunately, just as things look like they may fully recover back above a clean million, the 2008 recession hits and drops this person back down to $454,000 - less than half of the original stash.

Not to be detoured, our person keeps going until the market makes its full recover in 2012, leaving our person with a stash of $650,000. From there things slowly inch their way up for six years until, in December of 2019, they have $1,047,000 in their investments...back above that original stash! It took 19 years, but our investor held the course and succeeded in seeing their stash completely recovered over a 20-year retirement and never had to deal with loss of income at any point during any down years.

The next two years, as I am sure you know, were really, really good for our retiree, jumping up to $1,200,000 in 2020 and then $1,430,000 in 2021. Even with January's 'correction', they're still sitting pretty at $1,411,000 in their VTSAX account.

It is insane to me that our person can easily survive through all the ups and downs of the market without issue. I'm excited to do a deeper dive into how dividends and a 2% inflation increase to the withdraw rate will effect things. And then, of course, there are contingencies. What if a chunk of that was in bonds? What if there was 1-year of savings to hold the person off in 2001 or 2008 (or both).

This is why I love the Trinity Study and all the subsequent studies on the 4% rule. This is why I love looking at how the markets have impacted real people. Staying the course can be very, very difficult emotionally, but it works. Again and again and again it works.


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Re: Race to 100% FI
« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2022, 07:47:01 AM »

Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%
2021: 69.38%


2022:

January: 65.63%

The market is down and our spending is up. Oh well, it's just a phase on both counts. Hopefully!

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« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2022, 09:58:46 AM »
With that in mind, I did a quick check of the 4% rule against VTSAX. I made the assumption that someone starts with a $1,000,000 stash on December 1st 2020 and withdraws a flat $40,000 every year starting December 1st 2001 until December 1st 2021. I was doing it all by hand so I didn't adjust for inflation and I didn't add compounding dividend growth. I may do that later this week.

FIREing in December of 2000 is a pretty terrible time to do it. In a year, they went from $1,000,000 to $850,000. Due to drops in the market, they don't get back above that $850,000 until December 2006, where this person once again has $892,000 in their account. Unfortunately, just as things look like they may fully recover back above a clean million, the 2008 recession hits and drops this person back down to $454,000 - less than half of the original stash.

Not to be detoured, our person keeps going until the market makes its full recover in 2012, leaving our person with a stash of $650,000. From there things slowly inch their way up for six years until, in December of 2019, they have $1,047,000 in their investments...back above that original stash! It took 19 years, but our investor held the course and succeeded in seeing their stash completely recovered over a 20-year retirement and never had to deal with loss of income at any point during any down years.

The next two years, as I am sure you know, were really, really good for our retiree, jumping up to $1,200,000 in 2020 and then $1,430,000 in 2021. Even with January's 'correction', they're still sitting pretty at $1,411,000 in their VTSAX account.

It is insane to me that our person can easily survive through all the ups and downs of the market without issue. I'm excited to do a deeper dive into how dividends and a 2% inflation increase to the withdraw rate will effect things. And then, of course, there are contingencies. What if a chunk of that was in bonds? What if there was 1-year of savings to hold the person off in 2001 or 2008 (or both).

This is why I love the Trinity Study and all the subsequent studies on the 4% rule. This is why I love looking at how the markets have impacted real people. Staying the course can be very, very difficult emotionally, but it works. Again and again and again it works.

Back when originally testing and retesting portfolio allocations, I would use portfoliovisualizer.com Backtest tool, as it could be eaasily set to reinvest dividends, rebalance, and increase spending withdrawals with inflation, etc across just about any ticker.  Slight changes could make a huge difference.  LIke someone 100% in VFINX starting on August 2020 (the top)  had their portfolio crushed by the two crashes too far to be able to recover well with the 2010s, and today the portfolio would only be worth an inflation adjusted $220k.  (Though maybe that's pretty impressive that it actually survived that period with no adjustments at all, which is what I think a normal person would have done)  But changing the dates by mere months, or the portfolio allocation by little amounts could have fairly large affects on the final balance.  I mainly used it to see what differences allocation changes I was considering would make in both the worst time and in average times.  I didn't always get what I expected so was often fascinated.

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« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2022, 03:52:23 PM »
With that in mind, I did a quick check of the 4% rule against VTSAX. I made the assumption that someone starts with a $1,000,000 stash on December 1st 2020 and withdraws a flat $40,000 every year starting December 1st 2001 until December 1st 2021. I was doing it all by hand so I didn't adjust for inflation and I didn't add compounding dividend growth. I may do that later this week.

FIREing in December of 2000 is a pretty terrible time to do it. In a year, they went from $1,000,000 to $850,000. Due to drops in the market, they don't get back above that $850,000 until December 2006, where this person once again has $892,000 in their account. Unfortunately, just as things look like they may fully recover back above a clean million, the 2008 recession hits and drops this person back down to $454,000 - less than half of the original stash.

Not to be detoured, our person keeps going until the market makes its full recover in 2012, leaving our person with a stash of $650,000. From there things slowly inch their way up for six years until, in December of 2019, they have $1,047,000 in their investments...back above that original stash! It took 19 years, but our investor held the course and succeeded in seeing their stash completely recovered over a 20-year retirement and never had to deal with loss of income at any point during any down years.

The next two years, as I am sure you know, were really, really good for our retiree, jumping up to $1,200,000 in 2020 and then $1,430,000 in 2021. Even with January's 'correction', they're still sitting pretty at $1,411,000 in their VTSAX account.

It is insane to me that our person can easily survive through all the ups and downs of the market without issue. I'm excited to do a deeper dive into how dividends and a 2% inflation increase to the withdraw rate will effect things. And then, of course, there are contingencies. What if a chunk of that was in bonds? What if there was 1-year of savings to hold the person off in 2001 or 2008 (or both).

This is why I love the Trinity Study and all the subsequent studies on the 4% rule. This is why I love looking at how the markets have impacted real people. Staying the course can be very, very difficult emotionally, but it works. Again and again and again it works.

Back when originally testing and retesting portfolio allocations, I would use portfoliovisualizer.com Backtest tool, as it could be eaasily set to reinvest dividends, rebalance, and increase spending withdrawals with inflation, etc across just about any ticker.  Slight changes could make a huge difference.  LIke someone 100% in VFINX starting on August 2020 (the top)  had their portfolio crushed by the two crashes too far to be able to recover well with the 2010s, and today the portfolio would only be worth an inflation adjusted $220k.  (Though maybe that's pretty impressive that it actually survived that period with no adjustments at all, which is what I think a normal person would have done)  But changing the dates by mere months, or the portfolio allocation by little amounts could have fairly large affects on the final balance.  I mainly used it to see what differences allocation changes I was considering would make in both the worst time and in average times.  I didn't always get what I expected so was often fascinated.

Wow, I've never used that tool before. I LOVE IT! Adding to my tools I mess with periodically.

It basically confirms what I thought, recovery is much faster when you account for dividends and increase the withdraw yearly for inflation.

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« Reply #129 on: February 06, 2022, 02:58:51 PM »
Goal 2021: 10%
Goal 2022: 18%; stretch goal 20%


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (~13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*

SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%
FEB 2022: 10.27%; 6.12%


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« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2022, 06:45:57 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:31.63%39.54%
February:32.22%40.28%

Update:
The only reason I'm not down in February is because I received a monster bonus this month which shot my cash position up just barely higher than my losses. I also hit an option cliff this month, which added a chunk to my net worth. But - and I can't emphasize this enough - I don't consider my options as anything of real value. Even though I've vested quite a bit over the last 3 years, I lose it all if I leave the company. So it's nothing more than an attempt at golden handcuffs. The truth is, while it would be very nice to receive that chunk of money, it doesn't move the needle enough for me to stay if I think things aren't going to work out.

ce la vie and all that. Here's to a better March, to peaceful Ukraine, and to many, many good days. 

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« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2022, 09:21:54 AM »

Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%
2021: 69.38%


2022:

January: 65.63%
February: 63.21%

We had to replace an HVAC unit and our water heater last month. Such is home ownership I suppose, but oh well. It's heartbreaking....we're back to September of last year. (That's sarcasm - the market dips are the least of my worries these days).

This month marked 9 years since finding MMM. I was a slow(er) adopter but the progress has still been phenomenal (2.78% FI to 63.21% FI in 9 years). We feel so so grateful for this site, and the forums, and other resources, and the options that they created for us. I could not have imagined that we would be living near my family, working from home with our kids and loving life this much. FU money and being close to FI really made that all possible. Thanks all.

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« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2022, 10:21:21 AM »
@alcon835 and @rockstache

Thank you both for bringing your optimism to this forum, it keeps us all motivated!

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« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2022, 10:24:51 AM »
Goal 2021: 10%
Goal 2022: 18%; stretch goal 20%


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (~13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*
**4% withdrawal rate**

SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%
FEB 2022: 10.27%; 6.12%
MAR 2022: 11.14%; 6.63%

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« Reply #134 on: April 01, 2022, 12:51:36 PM »
Goal 2021: 10%
Goal 2022: 18%; stretch goal 20%


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (~13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*
**4% withdrawal rate**

SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%
FEB 2022: 10.27%; 6.12%
MAR 2022: 11.14%; 6.63%
APR 2022: 11.93%; 7.10%

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« Reply #135 on: April 01, 2022, 06:53:19 PM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of that month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:31.63%39.54%
February:32.22%40.28%
March:33.59%41.99%

Update:
A lot changes in a month.

I'm considering leaving my current job and starting a business with a few folks who are really, really good at what they do and want me to help them start a company. It's the kind of thing that, in the short term, is detrimental to my FIRE date, but in the long term could double or triple my income.

I'll probably have to make a decision in the next 45-60 days. If I decided to stay where I'm at then I'll just take all this money I'm saving and throw it into the market. But if I make the jump, I'm expecting my monthly number to drop for awhile...

I'm scared, but also really excited.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2022, 08:30:35 PM by alcon835 »

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« Reply #136 on: April 13, 2022, 10:39:25 AM »

Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%
2021: 69.38%


2022:

January: 65.63%
February: 63.21%
March: 66.6%

Ho hum, more of the same from me.

Interesting stuff alcon! Good luck with your decision and I hope you keep us posted.


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« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2022, 08:35:06 PM »
Finally hit 12%, was hovering just below since basically the beginning of the year

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« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2022, 08:41:34 PM »
Finally hit 12%, was hovering just below since basically the beginning of the year

12% is great to reach!   It means you can use that income in a really bad year to overcome a string of bad luck, such as an HVAC in your home and your car engine dying in the same year.

Congrats!

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« Reply #139 on: May 01, 2022, 09:29:54 AM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of the next month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:31.63%39.54%
February:32.22%40.28%
March:33.59%41.99%
April:32.38%40.48%

Update:
I thought last month brought a lot of change, but here we are a month later and even more has changed.

The company I work for sold to private equity and the PE company is buying out 75% of my shares and converting the other 25% into common stock. I also expect some kind of a retainer bonus - a raise, additional shares, etc. - that will be offered to me sometime in May/June. All this means I am about to have a significant chunk of extra cash in my pocket (about a year's worth of spending!). This puts me way ahead of my 2022 financial goals. It also means the thing tying me to my current company, my golden handcuffs, are...gone.

So now I need to figure out what's next. Do I stick around at the company and see where this investment goes? It could mean a lot of fun years with another big payout. Do I join my friends and start a company? I can certainly afford the hit to my income now. Do I take a sabbatical? I've wanted a 6-month sabbatical from work for about a year now, I have the funds to do it. Do I try something else - there are a lot of companies asking for me to come work for them at the moment, some of them seem like they would be a lot of fun.

I got to figure out what I want to do with my life now that the things tying me to my current life are done with.

In the very short term, I'm waiting to see what happens. The payout should hit sometime in May. Any sort of retainer incentives should roll out in May/June. My friends who want to start a business likely won't pull the trigger until August/September.

Between now and then, I'm in a weird sort of limbo and it's a very stranger place to be.

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« Reply #140 on: May 08, 2022, 07:44:53 PM »
Goal 2021: 10%
Goal 2022: 18%; stretch goal 20%


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (~13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*
**4% withdrawal rate**


SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%
FEB 2022: 10.27%; 6.12%
MAR 2022: 11.14%; 6.63%
APR 2022: 11.93%; 7.10%
MAY 2022: 11.30%; 6.73%

Continuing to jam as much cash into my investment accounts as possible. Whenever the market decides to swing upwards, I expect large gains!

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« Reply #141 on: May 08, 2022, 08:47:47 PM »
Continuing to jam as much cash into my investment accounts as possible. Whenever the market decides to swing upwards, I expect large gains!

@TyGuy, that's the spirit!

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« Reply #142 on: May 10, 2022, 11:57:42 AM »

Found MMM/2013: 2.78%
2014: 4.91%
2015: 8.50%
2016: 14.06%
2017: 21.90%
2018: 25.97%
2019: 32.52%
2020: 52.40%
2021: 69.38%


2022:

January: 65.63%
February: 63.21%
March: 66.6%
April: 60.33%

We're still just adding as much as possible to the market while it's down. This morning's net worth number was one we haven't seen in a while. Good times!

 We have decided that DH will probably be done working in February of next year. He's going to do a Big Thing that he's wanted to do for a while, and we're not sure his job will let him take the time off to do it. If they do, he'll probably go back. If not, he'll just quit and stay home with the kids until they go off to school. That would put as at a little better than coasting, as my job will cover our expenses, but not leave a lot for investments.

But hey, what's it all for if not to give us the opportunity to spend more time together, and do things that we've always dreamed of doing?

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« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2022, 01:56:34 PM »
Finally hit 12%, was hovering just below since basically the beginning of the year

Well, back down to 11% flat with the market drop, but I own more shares. 

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« Reply #144 on: May 11, 2022, 09:18:17 PM »
Joining! It's lucky (for me) that you ( @rockstache and @JAYSLOL ) updated yesterday, or I might not have seen this thread *yet again*.

Thanks, Rocky, for starting & sharing this thread! This will be a great number to track while in the boring middle. The more tiny milestones I can invent, the less boring it will be.

% of invested assets only


01/01/98  0.0%
04/30/11  5.1%
12/31/15  9.9% FOUND MMM
12/31/16 11.9%
12/31/17 16.6%
12/31/18 17.7% DIVORCE/ASSETS SEPARATE AT LAST
12/31/19 26.6%
12/31/20 33.4%
12/31/21 52.9%

01/31/22 50.4%
02/28/22 50.0%
03/31/22 52.3%
04/30/22 48.7%

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« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2022, 04:39:25 AM »
Welcome oneday! Dangggg you have made some excellent progress since the divorce. I knew that already, but seeing it all laid out like that is pretty stellar. Congratulations!

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« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2022, 08:44:50 AM »
Thank you!

Yeah, it's very explicit, looking at the numbers, isn't it?!?!

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« Reply #147 on: June 03, 2022, 07:50:07 PM »
Tracking total Net Worth. Yearly numbers are from December 31st of that year. Monthly numbers are from the first of the next month.

2017: 3.75%
2018: 9.14%
2019: 11.77%
2020: 21.82%
2021: 31.92%

2022     FIRE       Lean FIRE           
January:31.63%39.54%
February:32.22%40.28%
March:33.59%41.99%
April:32.38%40.48%
May:37.25%46.56%

Update:
Well, that's a pretty big jump! I got my payout for the options and it gave me a 5% bump towards my goal. It is insane to see a jump that big in such a short time. My net worth grew more in one month than it did in all of 2019! Being mustachian is weird and I'm not sure how to process it. haha.

I haven't made a final decision on what I plan to do regarding my future, but I am leaning pretty heavily towards staying at my current job. I was just promoted and the promotion is going to stretch and grow me and give me opportunities to significantly grow my career. There are still reasons I might leave - there's a lot of uncertainty in the short-term. But it's worth hanging on for awhile longer to see how things pan out.

So, that's my update! Here's hoping the uncertainty works itself out over the summer and whatever incentive/equity plans they come up with are highly lucrative.

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« Reply #148 on: June 03, 2022, 11:03:23 PM »
% of invested assets only


01/01/98  0.0%
04/30/11  5.1%
12/31/15  9.9% FOUND MMM
12/31/16 11.9%
12/31/17 16.6%
12/31/18 17.7% DIVORCE/ASSETS SEPARATE AT LAST
12/31/19 26.6%
12/31/20 33.4%
12/31/21 52.9%

01/31/22 50.4%
02/28/22 50.0%
03/31/22 52.3%
04/30/22 48.7%
05/31/22 49.4%



Pleased to have made forward progress this month!
« Last Edit: June 04, 2022, 11:47:08 AM by oneday »

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« Reply #149 on: June 05, 2022, 10:38:14 AM »
Goal 2021: 10%
Goal 2022: 18%; stretch goal 20%


*First % is without a mortgage payment, second % is with current mortgage payment (~13.5 years remaining at 1.75%)*
**4% withdrawal rate**


SEP 2021: 8.02%;  4.78%
OCT 2021: 8.19%;  4.88%
NOV 2021: 8.44%;  5.03%
DEC 2021: 8.38%;  4.99%
JAN 2022: 10.01%; 6.00%
FEB 2022: 10.27%; 6.12%
MAR 2022: 11.14%; 6.63%
APR 2022: 11.93%; 7.10%
MAY 2022: 11.30%; 6.73%
JUN 2022: 11.94%; 7.11%

Big, planned expenses this month, hopefully I can stay even!

 

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