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Re: Race from $2M to $3M.....and beyond!
« Reply #400 on: July 09, 2018, 04:06:31 PM »
Just did my semi-annual net worth calculation and we are now at $2,350,000, up $122,000 from the beginning of the year. Yay!

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« Reply #401 on: July 09, 2018, 05:03:02 PM »
Nice, so thats a 5.4% increase. But the S&P 500 is only up 3.2% (plus dividends).

So clearly you are invested in something that has paid a higher return.. Is a bunch of this home equity perhaps?

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« Reply #402 on: July 09, 2018, 05:06:38 PM »
Nice, so thats a 5.4% increase. But the S&P 500 is only up 3.2% (plus dividends).

So clearly you are invested in something that has paid a higher return.. Is a bunch of this home equity perhaps?

Care to share?
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« Reply #403 on: July 09, 2018, 05:57:54 PM »
Nice, so thats a 5.4% increase. But the S&P 500 is only up 3.2% (plus dividends).

So clearly you are invested in something that has paid a higher return.. Is a bunch of this home equity perhaps?

Care to share?

About $30,000 is additional home equity. We also contributed about $25,000 from current income, so that makes only about $67,000 investment returns. We have $1,920,000 in investments, so that means about a 3.5% return. Not that much above the market.  We just have a lot of high risk/high reward index funds with TIAA & Vanguard.

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« Reply #404 on: July 09, 2018, 11:44:32 PM »
I've dropped out of the 2MM plus club again.  Down payment and closing costs on Florida retirement home sucked away cash.  Sucks to be in debt again, even though it's less than 10 percent of our net worth.  I don't like counting real estate as an asset.  Now on to rebuilding the cash kitty so FIRE can get back on schedule.   Retirement accounts are blossoming nicely however.   

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« Reply #405 on: July 10, 2018, 01:59:00 AM »
I've dropped out of the 2MM plus club again.  Down payment and closing costs on Florida retirement home sucked away cash.  Sucks to be in debt again, even though it's less than 10 percent of our net worth.  I don't like counting real estate as an asset.  Now on to rebuilding the cash kitty so FIRE can get back on schedule.   Retirement accounts are blossoming nicely however.

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« Reply #406 on: July 10, 2018, 11:21:11 AM »
Just wrapped up our mid year check in, and we're at $3.7M. (This includes our house value). We started the year at $2.9ish, so it's a good uptick. Gains are coming from: additional 401K investment (we max in January from our bonuses), stock market, corporate stock vests (part of our overall compensation package) + quite a big swing in housing value.

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« Reply #407 on: July 10, 2018, 11:36:45 AM »
Nice job on the 3.7M..:)

I have not added ours up but looking at the S&P500 we should be over $2M Liquid and pension valuations have increased to about $525k.

House seems to be worth about $500k but thats a SWAG due to very few direct comps in the area.

So roughly $3M total. No savings growth as we have FIRED.

Seems kind of irrelevant though as we will barely crack a 1% WR this year.

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« Reply #408 on: July 31, 2018, 01:17:07 PM »
I'm in the 1-2m club, however yesterday my wife received unexpectedly good news (not inheritance) and in the next few weeks we're going to be in the "and beyond" club.   I'm in a state of shock and I'm currently trying to reorient my life expectations.
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« Reply #409 on: July 31, 2018, 01:26:18 PM »
I'm in the 1-2m club, however yesterday my wife received unexpectedly good news (not inheritance) and in the next few weeks we're going to be in the "and beyond" club.   I'm in a state of shock and I'm currently trying to reorient my life expectations.

Wow - that's great news! How are you thinking of adjusting your plans given the news?

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« Reply #410 on: July 31, 2018, 02:03:17 PM »
I'm in the 1-2m club, however yesterday my wife received unexpectedly good news (not inheritance) and in the next few weeks we're going to be in the "and beyond" club.   I'm in a state of shock and I'm currently trying to reorient my life expectations.

Wow - that's great news! How are you thinking of adjusting your plans given the news?

To be candid, I don't know and I'm still trying to process the change.  After this transaction completes we'll be worth around 3.5m.   We're dual income professionals with no kids in our early 40's, so we have a lot of options.

I'm sure this money will be in a trust for my wife, so technically if we ever divorce I wouldn't see any of it, which I'm fine with.   Regardless, this is a big change for me.  Most of our current net worth (1.75m) is from my super saver ways and higher compensation. Conversely, my wife is more of a spendypants by MMM standards (but way better than the average American).   I've never resented her spending and lower savings rate, however I planned on working longer to ensure she can retire comfortably too.   However, now that she has a large nest egg my decisions can be more selfish.

That said, I really like my job and I don't see myself leaving in the foreseeable future... but you never know.

It's also worth adding - her compensation is really starting to take off and she has no desire to retire, which I'm also fine with.   I'm more than happy to have her be the breadwinner of the family.  :)
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« Reply #411 on: July 31, 2018, 08:56:37 PM »
My progress is quite slow these days due to my House in Sydney dropping in value by around $170K over the past 12 months.... luckily that AUD and not USD I suppose.


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« Reply #412 on: July 31, 2018, 09:12:45 PM »
Still temporally out of the 2MM class.  Buying the house in Florida stripped us of cash for the downpayment.   We're gaining that ground back rapidly though.  Got an offer to sell our least valuable real estate, a non-rented rental.  That would get us well on our way and rebuild our cash.  I don't consider real estate as an asset, more a liability and money pit in my experience.   JL Collins has it right, rent a nice place and let the landlord fix the toilets.   I should have followed his advice.

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« Reply #413 on: August 01, 2018, 01:41:17 AM »
Still temporally out of the 2MM class.  Buying the house in Florida stripped us of cash for the downpayment.   We're gaining that ground back rapidly though.  Got an offer to sell our least valuable real estate, a non-rented rental.  That would get us well on our way and rebuild our cash.  I don't consider real estate as an asset, more a liability and money pit in my experience.   JL Collins has it right, rent a nice place and let the landlord fix the toilets.   I should have followed his advice.

In my case, I have made a good portion of my NW from property capital gains. But, now I have a stash, my appetite for further property speculation is pretty much zero. Slowly rebalancing to mostly stocks.


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« Reply #414 on: August 01, 2018, 01:44:59 AM »
I've ticked up to $3.2m, mostly from stock market appreciation (Australian shares).  I'm up $267k since leaving my main job at the start of October last year, so nice to know I've dodged at least the first year of sequence of returns risk.   Income from investments (less interest) look like $126k this year, with spending well below that.  Staying in the $3m bracket really depends on what the markets choose to do.

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« Reply #415 on: August 01, 2018, 02:48:39 AM »
Still temporally out of the 2MM class.  Buying the house in Florida stripped us of cash for the downpayment.   We're gaining that ground back rapidly though.  Got an offer to sell our least valuable real estate, a non-rented rental.  That would get us well on our way and rebuild our cash.  I don't consider real estate as an asset, more a liability and money pit in my experience.   JL Collins has it right, rent a nice place and let the landlord fix the toilets.   I should have followed his advice.

In my case, I have made a good portion of my NW from property capital gains. But, now I have a stash, my appetite for further property speculation is pretty much zero. Slowly rebalancing to mostly stocks.

Some can work real estate to their advantage.  I just seem to lack the skill. 

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« Reply #416 on: August 01, 2018, 07:42:08 AM »
Still temporally out of the 2MM class.  Buying the house in Florida stripped us of cash for the downpayment.   We're gaining that ground back rapidly though.  Got an offer to sell our least valuable real estate, a non-rented rental.  That would get us well on our way and rebuild our cash.  I don't consider real estate as an asset, more a liability and money pit in my experience.   JL Collins has it right, rent a nice place and let the landlord fix the toilets.   I should have followed his advice.

In my case, I have made a good portion of my NW from property capital gains. But, now I have a stash, my appetite for further property speculation is pretty much zero. Slowly rebalancing to mostly stocks.

Funny how that happens. Our house (complete with rentals) has gradually reduced from 100% of our net worth to about 16%.

At one time I was "landlord of the year".. Now I secretly hope my renters burn the rental trailer house to the ground and leave!

Maybe then I could sell our property and then lease it back from the new owner?...:)
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« Reply #417 on: August 01, 2018, 08:12:38 AM »
Still temporally out of the 2MM class.  Buying the house in Florida stripped us of cash for the downpayment.   We're gaining that ground back rapidly though.  Got an offer to sell our least valuable real estate, a non-rented rental.  That would get us well on our way and rebuild our cash.  I don't consider real estate as an asset, more a liability and money pit in my experience.   JL Collins has it right, rent a nice place and let the landlord fix the toilets.   I should have followed his advice.

In my case, I have made a good portion of my NW from property capital gains. But, now I have a stash, my appetite for further property speculation is pretty much zero. Slowly rebalancing to mostly stocks.

Some can work real estate to their advantage.  I just seem to lack the skill.
Time heals all wounds. It also creates a lot of real estate "success" stories.

In many cases, the investor would have done better in equities, but the threat of losing their home forces people to make mortgage payments. Without that incentive, humans are far less likely to fill their investment accounts with similar vigor.


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« Reply #418 on: August 01, 2018, 11:34:41 AM »
Residential property has averaged 10.2% pa returns in Australia over the past 20 years (source: Russell Investments Long aterm Investing Report 2018). And with generous tax incentives adding fuel to the fire itís been an easy way to accumulate wealth.

But, of course such gains for an asset that provides no more and no less than it did 20 years ago must come to an end, and in fact globally there is a retreat in residential real estate prices in most major cities. The party is over, banks and governments have realised the dangers of the entire population being ridiculously leveraged, and speculator money is moving elsewhere. Unlike stocks there is a limit to what houses are worth, as ultimately housing needs to be able to be afforded by the local population.

I know I should sell my Sydney house, prices will certainly retreat further, but there is this damn emotional attachment which is stopping us pull the trigger for the time being.

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« Reply #419 on: August 01, 2018, 02:33:20 PM »
10.2% for 20 years?..Damn!

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« Reply #420 on: August 01, 2018, 08:39:36 PM »
10.2% for 20 years?..Damn!

Yeah, if only I had a crystal ball in my early 20s

Meanwhile Australian shares would have given you 8.8%pa
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« Reply #421 on: August 01, 2018, 08:46:44 PM »
10.2% for 20 years?..Damn!

Yeah, if only I had a crystal ball in my early 20s

Meanwhile Australian shares would have given you 8.8%pa

Holy crap!  How do young people ever save enough to buy a house in a market like that. 

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« Reply #422 on: August 01, 2018, 09:35:19 PM »
Generally they canít. Parents, who own homes, are often footing the deposit. Young people are now far more likely to rent and invest in stocks than previous generations.

The whole thing is really unhealthy and totally unsustainable.

But as I said, the govt has realized a bit late that high house prices is not a good thing and has taken some measures to make housing investment less attractive to foreign investors, and had increased lending standards to reduce the capacity of locals to borrow so much. More still needs to be done, and will be with time I am sure. But unwinding the bubble needs to be done very slowly to avoid huge negative impacts on the economy.

If the last 20 years had 10.2% growth pa, I would expect the next 10 years to have less than 2% growth pa.


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« Reply #423 on: August 01, 2018, 10:36:58 PM »
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« Reply #424 on: August 02, 2018, 06:54:27 AM »
I think Australia is in the unusual situation of not having had a recession in like 20 years or more.

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« Reply #426 on: August 02, 2018, 11:36:42 AM »
I think Australia is in the unusual situation of not having had a recession in like 20 years or more.

Technically this is correct, although it does seem there was a small amount of cooking the books to keep this pretty impressive fact alive.

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« Reply #427 on: August 02, 2018, 02:10:49 PM »
I think Australia is in the unusual situation of not having had a recession in like 20 years or more.
Not since 1991 on official stats.  Sydney real estate is particularly warped. Over 80 suburbs have median prices above $2m, there as 5 years ago that list was 5 rich enclaves.  There are plenty of Sydneysiders that would be in the $2m club, based only on buying their house 20 years ago. Combined with construction being 9% of Australian employment, when it unwinds my opinion is that it will get ugly. I'll be happy holding my home, and a good chunk of international index funds.

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« Reply #428 on: August 04, 2018, 12:11:23 PM »
Well as of the market close Friday our NW has hit a new high.. Even with with a small drawdown (FIRED).

This includes savings plus pension valuations.. Our savings are still slightly under the peak in January

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« Reply #429 on: August 07, 2018, 06:41:47 PM »
Well as of the market close Friday our NW has hit a new high.. Even with with a small drawdown (FIRED).

This includes savings plus pension valuations.. Our savings are still slightly under the peak in January

YAY!  That's great news Exflyboy!  Did you FIRE?  How's life treating ya now?

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« Reply #430 on: August 07, 2018, 07:14:58 PM »
Well as of the market close Friday our NW has hit a new high.. Even with with a small drawdown (FIRED).

This includes savings plus pension valuations.. Our savings are still slightly under the peak in January

YAY!  That's great news Exflyboy!  Did you FIRE?  How's life treating ya now?

I did I have not done any paid work for over 2 years now. Life is great although I have been getting a bit lazy mainly because its so hot.

I'm thinking I'm at the point where not having a job feels normal...:)

Maybe I'll do a little paid work at some point, or maybe not!

Life is really pretty freaking awesome all in all..:)

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« Reply #431 on: August 08, 2018, 05:01:51 AM »
A few paychecks, dividends and upticks in the market has us back over 2MM again.  The FIRE goal of 2.5MM will hopefully develop by August 2020.  August 2020 will be here quickly.   It took me almost six months to find a house for retirement and close on the loan.  That time flew by.

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« Reply #432 on: August 08, 2018, 12:04:09 PM »
A few paychecks, dividends and upticks in the market has us back over 2MM again.  The FIRE goal of 2.5MM will hopefully develop by August 2020.  August 2020 will be here quickly.   It took me almost six months to find a house for retirement and close on the loan.  That time flew by.

There you go.. I knew you had to be close..:)