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Re: Learning or Improving at Another Language in 2016
« Reply #200 on: November 22, 2017, 10:59:27 AM »
I've got a 39 day streak on Duolingo. I'm doing a few different languages.

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« Reply #201 on: November 22, 2017, 01:11:49 PM »
Jumping in to this.  Considering I'm half Greek it'd make sense to learn a bit more than 'enough to get by'.

I'm on a 12 day streak on duolingo.  Listening to a few podcasts and so on.  Really enjoying it so far.

Would you mind sharing some of your resources?  I am trying to learn Greek as well.

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« Reply #202 on: November 22, 2017, 03:07:06 PM »
Jumping in to this.  Considering I'm half Greek it'd make sense to learn a bit more than 'enough to get by'.

I'm on a 12 day streak on duolingo.  Listening to a few podcasts and so on.  Really enjoying it so far.

Would you mind sharing some of your resources?  I am trying to learn Greek as well.

I'm not learning Greek specifically, but Duolingo has Greek.  Just download the app. 

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« Reply #203 on: November 22, 2017, 10:36:46 PM »
Well I've been living in a foreign country now for about 3 months, and I've just about hit a functional fluency. How did I manage this? Well one I'm part of an organization that knows how to get people fluent fast for service work. There methodology is:

1. Live with a local for 3 months.
2. Private teacher for much of this time 2-4 per day (cheaper than you think especially for some countries)
3. A good set of grammar books (I'm doing Portuguese with Gramática Ativa 1 & 2)
4. Teach others and work with others to force vocab learning and more complex uses of language.

Following these steps, I have seen no one fail yet. (There's 1 out of 55 still struggling a little) But in 3 months we've surpassed many of the expats living here, and most of us can communicate at a high level.

For people living in the states I would suggest finding a local group to practice with. Or a fluent person that you can trade English time with.

See if you can find a private teacher. You might be surprised to find one for a $1 or 2 per hour. So you can have a French teacher from the Congo teach you online very affordablely. I can't stress the teacher enough. A good teacher should be able to get you to a speakable level relatively quickly.

Third step, find a good grammar book to supplement. I usually make the mistake of trying to learn only from a book because I'm nervous to talk, but especially when you get to more advanced topics you'll need this to help delineate the particular meanings of certain things.

Teach someone something in your new language. Prepare a lesson for the Mexican migrants to learn Spanish, share a bit of American culture with Refugees. Or maybe just share a story with your language group. This is a bit harder to do, but probably the best thing to try and start speaking fluently. Usually just being an American helps. I've had people here want me to explain Excel to them. It made me look up a ton of words and push myself in a new direction

Anyway those are my thoughts.

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Re: Learning or Improving at Another Language in 2016
« Reply #204 on: January 25, 2018, 08:35:24 AM »
I've got a 39 day streak on Duolingo. I'm doing a few different languages.

Does doing different languages work for you? I find you end up mastering very little because of spreading yourself thin. Unless of course, you have full free days to yourself then you can allocate time to many. One thing, I notice though about a lot of polyglots is that they speak many languages but many are at a basic intermediate level. Now if your goal in languages is just to communicate with natives then that's not a problem.

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« Reply #205 on: January 25, 2018, 11:05:12 AM »
I've got a 39 day streak on Duolingo. I'm doing a few different languages.

Does doing different languages work for you? I find you end up mastering very little because of spreading yourself thin. Unless of course, you have full free days to yourself then you can allocate time to many. One thing, I notice though about a lot of polyglots is that they speak many languages but many are at a basic intermediate level. Now if your goal in languages is just to communicate with natives then that's not a problem.

It does spread my time kind of thin.  It's true you only have so much time so you can either learn some of all or refine one or two.  I'm kind of going somewhere in between.  I'm learning a smidge of a whole lot of languages but trying to really shave off the rough edges of my Spanish.  It all just depends on what you want to do with it. 

You can also spend more time total.  I do Duolingo for a full hour some days.  It's a hobby for me. 
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« Reply #206 on: January 25, 2018, 12:20:53 PM »
So I'm half way done with the French Module in Duolingo and according to the app I'm at 53% fluency. I can recognize words that I've seen before but I don't think I'd be able to have much of a conversation with someone. I'm really hoping that as I get closer to the end that will change. Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.

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« Reply #207 on: January 25, 2018, 01:06:22 PM »
Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.
This. You only get better with real practice conversations. You can't be afraid of making mistakes, you will make lots and that's how you get better.
Are there any French language meetups in your area?

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« Reply #208 on: January 25, 2018, 02:55:08 PM »
Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.
This. You only get better with real practice conversations. You can't be afraid of making mistakes, you will make lots and that's how you get better.
Are there any French language meetups in your area?

Hmm speaking a foreign language that I'm not too comfortable with to complete stranger that may be my worst nightmare ;) but it also sounds like a good idea. Thanks for the advice.

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« Reply #209 on: January 25, 2018, 04:02:47 PM »
Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.
This. You only get better with real practice conversations. You can't be afraid of making mistakes, you will make lots and that's how you get better.
Are there any French language meetups in your area?

Hmm speaking a foreign language that I'm not too comfortable with to complete stranger that may be my worst nightmare ;) but it also sounds like a good idea. Thanks for the advice.

It was/is hard for me to get started speaking to native speakers too. When I went to Peru I spoke Spanish to a few people who didn't speak English. I find that easiest. It was pretty basic, but very fun and exciting to be at least a little bit understood. The easiest time was when I was translating between my family and the cab driver, because then I didn't have to worry about the actual conversation flow, just translating the words. I did finally get stumped when my dad wanted to ask how deep the topsoil was...

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« Reply #210 on: January 25, 2018, 07:15:51 PM »
Joining in on this challenge. I spent the last few years casually studying French. For awhile, I actually felt fairly confident but unfortunately life got busy and I slacked.  Last visit to France I was like a deer in the headlights. Seriously, it felt like I had forgotten it all. Every. Single. Word.

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« Reply #211 on: January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 PM »
Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.
This. You only get better with real practice conversations. You can't be afraid of making mistakes, you will make lots and that's how you get better.
Are there any French language meetups in your area?

Hmm speaking a foreign language that I'm not too comfortable with to complete stranger that may be my worst nightmare ;) but it also sounds like a good idea. Thanks for the advice.

This is great advice! I found a tutor on Craigslist for practice and made much more progress with her than in classes or self guided studying. You just have to GNF and make mistakes. It helped me to find someone my age or younger so it wasn't as intimidating.

Also, Tandem and Italki are two great sites that let you Skype with native speakers.

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« Reply #212 on: March 12, 2018, 01:41:42 PM »
So I'm half way done with the French Module in Duolingo and according to the app I'm at 53% fluency. I can recognize words that I've seen before but I don't think I'd be able to have much of a conversation with someone. I'm really hoping that as I get closer to the end that will change. Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.

Definitely speak to people even if your French sucks. I did and I remain one of the few people who has not forgotten the French they learned in Highschool. I have somewhat lazily maintained it, but I used to speak to strangers with no reservations. Now I just have a friend who's French.

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« Reply #213 on: March 13, 2018, 11:11:57 AM »
So I'm half way done with the French Module in Duolingo and according to the app I'm at 53% fluency. I can recognize words that I've seen before but I don't think I'd be able to have much of a conversation with someone. I'm really hoping that as I get closer to the end that will change. Maybe I need to just start trying to talk to people in French that's probably going to be the best way.

Definitely speak to people even if your French sucks. I did and I remain one of the few people who has not forgotten the French they learned in Highschool. I have somewhat lazily maintained it, but I used to speak to strangers with no reservations. Now I just have a friend who's French.

There's an app called Tandem I just recently came across.  It connects people that want to learn each other's languages.  It's generally easy to find somebody since everybody wants to learn English. 

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« Reply #214 on: March 13, 2018, 11:36:04 AM »
I have a 179 day streak going on Duolingo. I completed the French tree and have kept it gold. Huzzah! I'm starting to learn Portuguese now, and it's loads if fun. I suspect it will take me longer since I'll also be practicing French. I keep my tree gold before I move on to the next lesson, which helps me remember. I'm not in a rush since I know that learning these languages will be a lifelong pursuit.

I need speaking practice so I'm hopefully going to attend some local language meetups.

how do you practice speaking? With people you know/meetups/apps?
How fun! I forgot about this thread. I'm still rocking my golden French and Portuguese trees. I've been practicing daily for two years. To improve my French, I started listening to the French news, and watching films in French with French subtitles. I also started going to French meetups. I'm rubbish at speaking. I get so nervous that I blank out. Funnily enough, I have an easier time fumbling my way through Portuguese. I'm not as embarrassed even though I make just as many mistakes.

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« Reply #215 on: March 13, 2018, 01:34:13 PM »
Wow, old thread!  I'd forgotten about it too.  Anyone want to make a 2018 thread?

Spanish -- has basically languished.  I can still manage pretty well but I visited some of my Spanish speaking friends last fall and felt myself grasping for words and expressions too often, and my pronunciation and grammar have suffered.  I may end up going to Chile this fall, so I'd like to brush up before then.  If anyone has recommendations for apps that go to a higher level than DuoLingo, I'm all ears. Also recs for podcasts, books that aren't magical realism, and Netflix shows would be awesome.  My podcast recommendation is Radio Ambulante from NPR. I'm so-so on CoffeeBreak, some of their stuff is good, but there's too much astrophysics for me.  I've been watching some Narcos - it's ok. And trying to read Cien Anios de Soledad but it's a slog. 

Korean - ha.  I still know the alphabet decently well, pretty much everything else is gone. I've been trying to do 10 minutes or so a day between DuoLingo and Memrise.

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« Reply #216 on: March 13, 2018, 09:52:45 PM »
Wow, old thread!  I'd forgotten about it too.  Anyone want to make a 2018 thread?

Spanish -- has basically languished.  I can still manage pretty well but I visited some of my Spanish speaking friends last fall and felt myself grasping for words and expressions too often, and my pronunciation and grammar have suffered.  I may end up going to Chile this fall, so I'd like to brush up before then.  If anyone has recommendations for apps that go to a higher level than DuoLingo, I'm all ears. Also recs for podcasts, books that aren't magical realism, and Netflix shows would be awesome.  My podcast recommendation is Radio Ambulante from NPR. I'm so-so on CoffeeBreak, some of their stuff is good, but there's too much astrophysics for me.  I've been watching some Narcos - it's ok. And trying to read Cien Anios de Soledad but it's a slog. 

Korean - ha.  I still know the alphabet decently well, pretty much everything else is gone. I've been trying to do 10 minutes or so a day between DuoLingo and Memrise.

I watched La Niña and El Barco on Netflix for awhile. I liked them both for learning Spanish and both stories were entertaining, until they weren't (dramalama). I should start watching them again, but there's little time for TV watching post-FIRE!

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« Reply #217 on: March 14, 2018, 06:42:05 AM »
Wow, old thread!  I'd forgotten about it too.  Anyone want to make a 2018 thread?

Spanish -- has basically languished.  I can still manage pretty well but I visited some of my Spanish speaking friends last fall and felt myself grasping for words and expressions too often, and my pronunciation and grammar have suffered.  I may end up going to Chile this fall, so I'd like to brush up before then.  If anyone has recommendations for apps that go to a higher level than DuoLingo, I'm all ears. Also recs for podcasts, books that aren't magical realism, and Netflix shows would be awesome.  My podcast recommendation is Radio Ambulante from NPR. I'm so-so on CoffeeBreak, some of their stuff is good, but there's too much astrophysics for me.  I've been watching some Narcos - it's ok. And trying to read Cien Anios de Soledad but it's a slog. 

Korean - ha.  I still know the alphabet decently well, pretty much everything else is gone. I've been trying to do 10 minutes or so a day between DuoLingo and Memrise.

I paused on Spanish but in terms of shows. Every Spanish speaker I know has recommended El Patron Del Mal. I use coffee break Spanish for podcast. I like their French version too a lot. I personally do News in Slow French although I do the advanced on that one, but I am pretty sure there is news in slow Italian and other languages.


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« Reply #218 on: March 20, 2018, 08:47:34 AM »
So after using Duolingo for a million years, I've just learned about completing the reverse tree. Has anyone heard of this or done it? In a nutshell, you finish the French tree (if that's you're language), and then you create an account where your native language is French and complete the tree as if you are learning English.

Since I'm trying to learn French and Portuguese, and I'm further along in French, I actually started my French reverse tree with my native language as French and the language I'm learning as Portuguese. After trying it for no more than 10 minutes, I'd say it's a good challenge.

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« Reply #219 on: March 20, 2018, 10:10:30 AM »
So after using Duolingo for a million years, I've just learned about completing the reverse tree. Has anyone heard of this or done it? In a nutshell, you finish the French tree (if that's you're language), and then you create an account where your native language is French and complete the tree as if you are learning English.

Since I'm trying to learn French and Portuguese, and I'm further along in French, I actually started my French reverse tree with my native language as French and the language I'm learning as Portuguese. After trying it for no more than 10 minutes, I'd say it's a good challenge.

I'll have to try that.  It sounds like it might be a good way to keep moving.  Duolingo seems to be much better at teaching at a beginner or intermediate level than rounding off the rough edges at an advanced level. 

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« Reply #220 on: March 20, 2018, 10:45:18 AM »
@dougules I agree. I'm at the point where I don't feel like I'm learning much keeping my French tree golden. I think I've memorized most of the answers.

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« Reply #221 on: March 20, 2018, 10:53:48 AM »
  My podcast recommendation is Radio Ambulante from NPR. ....


I paused on Spanish but in terms of shows. Every Spanish speaker I know has recommended El Patron Del Mal. I use coffee break Spanish for podcast. I like their French version too a lot. I personally do News in Slow French although I do the advanced on that one, but I am pretty sure there is news in slow Italian and other languages.

I started formal Spanish lesson recently and need lots of practice with listening.  Thanks for these tips!

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« Reply #222 on: July 10, 2018, 06:22:57 AM »
Woo! Just hit 1 year on DuoLingo (for Norwegian).

I've also been speaking more and more to my son, so I'm slowly getting better at it. I'm in no rush to be fluent or anything, and when I go to Norway I'll ramp up the learning in the 3-4 weeks beforehand.

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« Reply #223 on: July 12, 2018, 10:35:40 AM »
Woo! Just hit 1 year on DuoLingo (for Norwegian).

I've also been speaking more and more to my son, so I'm slowly getting better at it. I'm in no rush to be fluent or anything, and when I go to Norway I'll ramp up the learning in the 3-4 weeks beforehand.

Congrats.  I'm getting there myself. 

I'm curious as to how far you think you've gotten. 


So after using Duolingo for a million years, I've just learned about completing the reverse tree. Has anyone heard of this or done it? In a nutshell, you finish the French tree (if that's you're language), and then you create an account where your native language is French and complete the tree as if you are learning English.

Since I'm trying to learn French and Portuguese, and I'm further along in French, I actually started my French reverse tree with my native language as French and the language I'm learning as Portuguese. After trying it for no more than 10 minutes, I'd say it's a good challenge.

I'll have to try that.  It sounds like it might be a good way to keep moving.  Duolingo seems to be much better at teaching at a beginner or intermediate level than rounding off the rough edges at an advanced level.

This was a good idea.  It didn't seem effective at first, but I just had to get through the more basic lessons.  Another idea based on this is to learn a third language through your more advanced language.  I'm doing French for Spanish speakers so I get both at one time.  It takes a little while to wrap your head around, but it's definitely good exercise for your brain. 


I've got a 39 day streak on Duolingo. I'm doing a few different languages.

Does doing different languages work for you? I find you end up mastering very little because of spreading yourself thin. Unless of course, you have full free days to yourself then you can allocate time to many. One thing, I notice though about a lot of polyglots is that they speak many languages but many are at a basic intermediate level. Now if your goal in languages is just to communicate with natives then that's not a problem.

I have definitely scaled back now.  I've really started to focus in on Spanish and Chinese with the other ones only occasionally or learned from Spanish. 

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« Reply #224 on: July 12, 2018, 12:08:13 PM »
I haven't stuck with anything so far. I did have one of my friends visit from overseas and I realized how much my Spanish has suffered from neglect over the last few years. My vocabulary is strong in the topics we usually discuss, but I found myself struggling to describe some of my planned projects. It was still good enough to yell at her for getting shitfaced and causing a scene though.

I haven't even touched Korean. I need to get back into things.

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« Reply #225 on: July 12, 2018, 05:19:14 PM »
I'm currently visiting family and I'm so so happy I put in the effort to learn Italian. Last time I came was 5 years ago and I had taken 1 course, in the meantime I've taken another. Unfortunately I never really practice, so I'm rusty, but hardly anybody here speaks any English, so it has really come in handy. I'm not fluent by any means, and I don't even speak as well as the children, but I can understand most of what they say and they can understand me, so it's completely worth it.

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« Reply #226 on: July 13, 2018, 09:14:46 AM »
Woo! Just hit 1 year on DuoLingo (for Norwegian).

I've also been speaking more and more to my son, so I'm slowly getting better at it. I'm in no rush to be fluent or anything, and when I go to Norway I'll ramp up the learning in the 3-4 weeks beforehand.

Congrats.  I'm getting there myself. 

I'm curious as to how far you think you've gotten. 



I think pretty far. I am not finished with the Duolingo "Tree", but I don't really care. For me it's more of a mental exercise and to keep me thinking in this language daily. I think it makes a big difference!

Although I do not have many people to speak with besides my 4-year old son, so my listening and speaking skills are not amazing. Writing and reading is pretty good, though.

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Re: Learning or Improving at Another Language in 2016
« Reply #227 on: July 13, 2018, 11:05:10 AM »
Finishing the tree in Duolingo is really fun! You get a tiny duo with a graduation cap at the end.

I'm considering joining a german class that meets close to my house every saturday, it's $650 for the year which works out to a pretty reasonable per-week rate. I'm not excited about spending the money but I really need to have the accountability and time to talk to other humans again, especially if I am following through with my plan to move back to Berlin for a few months next year.

Update: I started following a bunch of German instagram stars and watching their insta-stories has been really helpful for listening comprehension.

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« Reply #228 on: July 14, 2018, 02:42:52 AM »
I'm currently visiting family and I'm so so happy I put in the effort to learn Italian. Last time I came was 5 years ago and I had taken 1 course, in the meantime I've taken another. Unfortunately I never really practice, so I'm rusty, but hardly anybody here speaks any English, so it has really come in handy. I'm not fluent by any means, and I don't even speak as well as the children, but I can understand most of what they say and they can understand me, so it's completely worth it.

Auguri Poutinelover!  Benvenuto/a in Italia!  Spero che non sia troppo caldo dove sei. 

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« Reply #229 on: July 14, 2018, 06:51:41 AM »
I'm currently visiting family and I'm so so happy I put in the effort to learn Italian. Last time I came was 5 years ago and I had taken 1 course, in the meantime I've taken another. Unfortunately I never really practice, so I'm rusty, but hardly anybody here speaks any English, so it has really come in handy. I'm not fluent by any means, and I don't even speak as well as the children, but I can understand most of what they say and they can understand me, so it's completely worth it.

Auguri Poutinelover!  Benvenuto/a in Italia!  Spero che non sia troppo caldo dove sei.
Grazie! E caldo ma vado spesso alla spiaggia allora va bene :)

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« Reply #230 on: July 30, 2018, 10:00:30 PM »
Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

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« Reply #231 on: July 31, 2018, 07:31:12 AM »
Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

That is really interesting. However, I always cringe when people tell me they want to learn Chinese or Spanish because, "then I can speak to more people". I know this is not a popular opinion and I am sure to get some disagreement (especially in this thread)... But nowadays we have the internet, so you can speak to almost anyone in any language, at any time. There's even fake languages like Esperanto. I live in Texas, so, sure you could indeed utilize Spanish somewhat frequently, but I don't know a single person who set out to learn Spanish who actually utilizes it to network and speak to Spanish speakers locally.

After studying various languages for the last 13 years, I never fully grasped this concept until a few years ago. My current view on this is... make sure you're learning a language due to 1. short or long term travel to that country (which in this case, you only need to prepare for a few months before hand, max, at a high intensity), and 2. you have a very, very strong draw to that culture. Perhaps it is part of your heritage or you plan to be a life long student of that culture, or maybe you feel "drawn" to it. These mostly ensure that you're not wasting your time into a huge sunk cost.

I would never recommend anyone learn a language based off of how many other speakers there are. It's a pretty useless statistic that gets thrown around a lot because it's easy to write articles about. When people tell me my Norwegian is useless, I shrug it off and remind them that 1. I had originally planned to move to Norway for 2 years so I learned it intensely for a while, and 2. I am very, very interested in the culture. Now I can speak it with my son, people online, and utilize it when I travel there. The time I spend each day "learning" is minimal, for the return I get by knowing more about the culture and being able to speak a second language to my son.

Also, don't discount the ability to better yourself at your native language, including English! Just my $0.02. Learn with intention.

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« Reply #232 on: October 18, 2018, 10:57:45 PM »
Has anyone here tried LingQ?  I was taken in by the click bait but it was a lot of fun.  I like how you check off the words you know and it keeps track.  Unfortunately, I hit my "free" 20 LingQ limit very quickly. Not sure if it is worth getting premium for 6 months for $60.


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« Reply #233 on: October 22, 2018, 10:17:57 AM »
Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

That is really interesting. However, I always cringe when people tell me they want to learn Chinese or Spanish because, "then I can speak to more people". I know this is not a popular opinion and I am sure to get some disagreement (especially in this thread)... But nowadays we have the internet, so you can speak to almost anyone in any language, at any time. There's even fake languages like Esperanto. I live in Texas, so, sure you could indeed utilize Spanish somewhat frequently, but I don't know a single person who set out to learn Spanish who actually utilizes it to network and speak to Spanish speakers locally.

After studying various languages for the last 13 years, I never fully grasped this concept until a few years ago. My current view on this is... make sure you're learning a language due to 1. short or long term travel to that country (which in this case, you only need to prepare for a few months before hand, max, at a high intensity), and 2. you have a very, very strong draw to that culture. Perhaps it is part of your heritage or you plan to be a life long student of that culture, or maybe you feel "drawn" to it. These mostly ensure that you're not wasting your time into a huge sunk cost.

I would never recommend anyone learn a language based off of how many other speakers there are. It's a pretty useless statistic that gets thrown around a lot because it's easy to write articles about. When people tell me my Norwegian is useless, I shrug it off and remind them that 1. I had originally planned to move to Norway for 2 years so I learned it intensely for a while, and 2. I am very, very interested in the culture. Now I can speak it with my son, people online, and utilize it when I travel there. The time I spend each day "learning" is minimal, for the return I get by knowing more about the culture and being able to speak a second language to my son.

Also, don't discount the ability to better yourself at your native language, including English! Just my $0.02. Learn with intention.

Honestly I think learning another language is the best way to "better yourself"* at English.  You don't know what you know until you have a point of comparison.  Also, related languages help you with vocabulary as you may have seen with Norwegian.  All the big words in modern English came from the Norman nobility speaking French and using Latin and Greek for education.  If you learn a romance language, the latinate vocabulary comes a lot easier than just rote memorization from the dictionary.  What does "defenestration" mean?  If you speak French or Italian it's easy. 

*By "better yourself" you mean improve your ability to speak formal English.  In some ways it's like a different language than colloquial English.  It's a perpetuation of the dichotomy between nobility speaking Anglo-Norman French, and Germanic English being viewed as a lower class language. 
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« Reply #234 on: October 22, 2018, 11:27:27 AM »
I didn't know this thread was here, this is fun.  I've been working on learning Spanish for a year (had the super-basics beforehand from childhood, but that's about it).  I attend a formal class for 75 minutes each week with a really good teacher who is very good at both English and Spanish grammar.  I am on/off about Duolingo, but have been better since they updated the app with more modules and levels, which is way better than it was before.  I also am glad they removed the fluency "percentage," which was so obviously bogus to anybody who knows what the word "fluent" means.  I try to go to a weekly conversation meetup in my area, which includes a couple of native speakers and a Spanish teacher who can accurately correct me.  I feel like after a year, I am ready to call myself "conversational" -- depending on the topic :)

Some podcasts I like:
- Doorway to Mexico (really great if you are good at the school-version of Spanish but don't follow things like regional slang and colloquialisms.  There are a lot of good usage tips and explanations.
- Radio ambulante (played at 3/4 speed)
- Spanish audiobooks of children's novels I know well (like the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe) 

I've also been watching a lot of Spanish-language TV on Netflix (with Spanish captions on - English subtitles won't get me anywhere).  La Casa de Papel, La Casa de Las Flores, Elite, Las Chicas de Cable, etc.  Once I'm caught up on them I'll start one of the related shows, like the Grand Hotel.

I'm going to Mexico on vacation in a couple of months, and while there will spend 3 hours each morning at a local Spanish language school.


Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

That is really interesting. However, I always cringe when people tell me they want to learn Chinese or Spanish because, "then I can speak to more people". I know this is not a popular opinion and I am sure to get some disagreement (especially in this thread)... But nowadays we have the internet, so you can speak to almost anyone in any language, at any time. There's even fake languages like Esperanto. I live in Texas, so, sure you could indeed utilize Spanish somewhat frequently, but I don't know a single person who set out to learn Spanish who actually utilizes it to network and speak to Spanish speakers locally.

After studying various languages for the last 13 years, I never fully grasped this concept until a few years ago. My current view on this is... make sure you're learning a language due to 1. short or long term travel to that country (which in this case, you only need to prepare for a few months before hand, max, at a high intensity), and 2. you have a very, very strong draw to that culture. Perhaps it is part of your heritage or you plan to be a life long student of that culture, or maybe you feel "drawn" to it. These mostly ensure that you're not wasting your time into a huge sunk cost.

I would never recommend anyone learn a language based off of how many other speakers there are. It's a pretty useless statistic that gets thrown around a lot because it's easy to write articles about. When people tell me my Norwegian is useless, I shrug it off and remind them that 1. I had originally planned to move to Norway for 2 years so I learned it intensely for a while, and 2. I am very, very interested in the culture. Now I can speak it with my son, people online, and utilize it when I travel there. The time I spend each day "learning" is minimal, for the return I get by knowing more about the culture and being able to speak a second language to my son.

Also, don't discount the ability to better yourself at your native language, including English! Just my $0.02. Learn with intention.

With all due respect, it sounds like your social circle of Texans could stand to incorporate a little diversity.  In LA, the people I know who speak Spanish use it all the time, because they're willing to get out into communities other than theirs.  In certain parts of the city, you need to order food in Spanish, not English (especially for street vendors).  80% of the job postings I look at in my area list Spanish proficiency as either required or strongly preferred.  A large number of the service workers one comes into contact with here (cleaning people, uber drivers, what have you) are more comfortable chatting in Spanish than English. 

I'd also argue that in places like Southern California and Texas, you are already engaged in long-term travel to a location where a lot of the population speaks Spanish and comes from a that culture.  You're living parallel to it, and just have to engage.  You'll have a richer knowledge of your city and your neighbors if you do. 
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« Reply #235 on: October 22, 2018, 11:50:43 AM »

Question for Spanish Learners:  What helped you with practicing when to use preterite vs imperfect?  I need lots of practice with these.  Thanks!


I'm going to Mexico on vacation in a couple of months, and while there will spend 3 hours each morning at a local Spanish language school.
 

would you be willing to PM which school you will be attending?  I am looking for a school for myself and my kids to practice our Spanish during an upcoming vacation.  Thanks!

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« Reply #236 on: October 22, 2018, 12:40:34 PM »
Wow.  Your question just reminded me how much Spanish grammar I have forgotten!

This was informative:

https://studyspanish.com/grammar/lessons/pretimp1

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« Reply #237 on: October 22, 2018, 03:10:45 PM »

I've also been watching a lot of Spanish-language TV on Netflix (with Spanish captions on - English subtitles won't get me anywhere).  La Casa de Papel, La Casa de Las Flores, Elite, Las Chicas de Cable, etc.  Once I'm caught up on them I'll start one of the related shows, like the Grand Hotel.


I am not at the stage yet where I can watch without English subtitles, but I REALLY liked 'El Ministerio del Tiempo' if you are looking for something new on netflix.

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« Reply #238 on: October 23, 2018, 08:40:23 AM »
Croatian anyone?   I had been using Duolinguo for German and French, but they don't have Croatian or Serbo-Croatian ( which would be OK except for a few key words).

Just looking for tourist version for a one week trip next month.

edit to add Duolinguo.
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« Reply #239 on: October 23, 2018, 11:18:27 PM »

I've also been watching a lot of Spanish-language TV on Netflix (with Spanish captions on - English subtitles won't get me anywhere).  La Casa de Papel, La Casa de Las Flores, Elite, Las Chicas de Cable, etc.  Once I'm caught up on them I'll start one of the related shows, like the Grand Hotel.


I am not at the stage yet where I can watch without English subtitles, but I REALLY liked 'El Ministerio del Tiempo' if you are looking for something new on netflix.

Thanks. I fear Canadian Netflix has much less to offer in terms of Spanish content so I am happy for the recommendation.


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« Reply #240 on: October 24, 2018, 10:44:21 AM »

I've also been watching a lot of Spanish-language TV on Netflix (with Spanish captions on - English subtitles won't get me anywhere).  La Casa de Papel, La Casa de Las Flores, Elite, Las Chicas de Cable, etc.  Once I'm caught up on them I'll start one of the related shows, like the Grand Hotel.


I am not at the stage yet where I can watch without English subtitles, but I REALLY liked 'El Ministerio del Tiempo' if you are looking for something new on netflix.

Thanks. I fear Canadian Netflix has much less to offer in terms of Spanish content so I am happy for the recommendation.

I have noticed quite a few Spanish shows in Canada Netflix lately. Another one I watched is called 'La Catedral del Mar', though be warned it's pretty graphic right from episode 1.

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« Reply #241 on: October 24, 2018, 11:29:04 AM »
Has anyone here tried LingQ?

I downloaded it because of your post, but I don't really understand how it works. It seems like you have to select words you don't know in order to advance? But if you know everything it just gets stuck? Does it adjust to your level and make suggestions for new lessons, or do you just keep going through them?

I took the DuoLingo placement test for Spanish again. I wanted to like it after the update, but the lessons are so boring I can't stick with it. I may restart Korean though.  I feel like I'm learning something when I do that one.

I also got inspired to dig out my old Quechua textbook. I found pages of stuff I wrote that I can't read at all anymore!

I'm not making much progress toward my language goals this year!
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« Reply #242 on: October 28, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »
Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

I've got English, French and Swahili.

Swahili, I am pretty sure has more than 100 million speakers, but it is not spoken as a mother tongue by most in the way French, English, Mandarin are spoken. Often, speakers of French or English speak it natively with no added languages (often). However, in Kenya, Tanzania, DRC and Uganda, swahili is spoken as a second or third language as most people are bilingual or trilingual. Most people speak a tribal language as their mother tongue and then swahili and English are part of our official languages so everyone ends up speaking those too.

It is more standardized in Tanzania and Kenya though than other countries. I have to say the DRC swahili is particularly interesting and strange to our ears. Still understandable but it the closest comparison is like quebecois French.

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« Reply #243 on: October 29, 2018, 12:22:02 AM »
Has anyone here tried LingQ?

I downloaded it because of your post, but I don't really understand how it works. It seems like you have to select words you don't know in order to advance? But if you know everything it just gets stuck? Does it adjust to your level and make suggestions for new lessons, or do you just keep going through them?

I took the DuoLingo placement test for Spanish again. I wanted to like it after the update, but the lessons are so boring I can't stick with it. I may restart Korean though.  I feel like I'm learning something when I do that one.

I also got inspired to dig out my old Quechua textbook. I found pages of stuff I wrote that I can't read at all anymore!

I'm not making much progress toward my language goals this year!

I splurged for the 6 month $60 membership with no auto renewal.

I know very little of the language I am learning. But I think you can start with an intermediate lesson and build from there.  If you know all the words on a page just turn the page and they will all turn white.

I find it very useful to change the unknown words to yellow.  You only get to do this 20 times with the free version. I wish I had known this and I might not have clicked on so many and tried to string along the free version a bit longer.

It keeps track of your unknown words. And you can do flash card type reviews of them.

As for the lessons, there are many to select from. It looks like the content is kind of an open source community created so you will find some good and some bad as you move along. You may even be able to get paid to create new material &/or be a tutor but I am not interested in that at this time. 

For the moment I am having fun and I am on an 8 day streak.



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« Reply #244 on: October 29, 2018, 07:56:06 AM »
I took a few months off my focused daily language learning, and I feel as though I forgot a lot rather quickly.

I started reading books in French, while simultaneously listening to the audiobook in French. The practice has been really helpful for vocab building and listening comprehension.

I still struggle with speaking, which is the skill I practice the least. I guess there's no surprise there then.

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« Reply #245 on: November 07, 2018, 03:24:57 PM »
Wow.  Your question just reminded me how much Spanish grammar I have forgotten!

This was informative:

https://studyspanish.com/grammar/lessons/pretimp1

Thanks!  The quiz was a good starting point for practice.

I also found this fun link--

https://personal.colby.edu/~bknelson/SLC/superhombre2.html

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« Reply #246 on: November 08, 2018, 11:21:25 AM »
Hey check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Long and interesting article.

"Following these are the 12 “supercentral languages”: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swahili – each of which (except for Swahili) boast 100 million speakers or more. These are languages you can travel with. They connect people across nations. They are commonly spoken as second languages, often (but not exclusively) as a result of their parent nation’s colonial past."

I have English, One more of the above, and I'm working on a third not on the list.

I've always wanted to learn Spanish and German.

It would be great to speak a handful of those.  Who here speaks the most?

I've got English, French and Swahili.

Swahili, I am pretty sure has more than 100 million speakers, but it is not spoken as a mother tongue by most in the way French, English, Mandarin are spoken. Often, speakers of French or English speak it natively with no added languages (often). However, in Kenya, Tanzania, DRC and Uganda, swahili is spoken as a second or third language as most people are bilingual or trilingual. Most people speak a tribal language as their mother tongue and then swahili and English are part of our official languages so everyone ends up speaking those too.

It is more standardized in Tanzania and Kenya though than other countries. I have to say the DRC swahili is particularly interesting and strange to our ears. Still understandable but it the closest comparison is like quebecois French.

English and French actually both have significantly more second language speakers than native speakers, too.