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Title: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 08, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
What is self-compassion and how can we practice it?

I want to know this.  I want to learn it.  By doing. 

My good friend @jooniFLORisploo has generously offered to help me figure it out.  And we invite anyone interested to join us for a 30 day discussion and practice on being more compassionate with ourselves. 

So let's start. 

jooni - What does self-compassion mean to you? 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 08, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
Oh, lol! I don't know that I can help you figure it out! I'm just along for the ride, because what a wonderful topic idea :)

I think self-compassion is simply being with ourselves in the way we would be in our softest moments with a small child. A perspective of space, understanding, gentleness. I think it allows us to subsequently extend compassion to others, maintain our health, and stand more powerfully in the wave of convention, among other good things.

I think it's a great focus for people in tough situations (caregiving, working a crappy job, broke, health challenges, etc). In this difficult circumstance, how can I show some kindness to myself? When I'm depleted internally, how can I refill my stores? I think it's also key for people preparing to FIRE. Upon retirement, a lot of people go through a tough transition, a sense of flailing, panic, disorientation, even lonesomeness. Practicing self-compassion in advance can make that phase a little lighter.

If I'm reluctant to practice it, or about to do the opposite, I try to think of setting an example for my child or anyone else. I want to create room on the planet for this habit, want everyone to know we deserve this gentleness.

Maybe we can share ways we practice self-compassion? Have you identified any for you yet, jane x?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 08, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
I think you'll be able to help a lot just by sharing what you know.  That's what I meant.  :)  And I think even just talking about things helps a lot because it jogs our psyche and stimulates new ideas and perspectives.

When the topic came up in the weight loss thread, I looked it up (Google has all the answers, right?!)  And I found a couple of interesting things:

1.  A definition for it:
Self-compassion is extending compassion to one's self in instances of perceived inadequacy, failure, or general suffering. Kristin Neff has defined self-compassion as being composed of three main components – self-kindness, common humanity, and mindfulness.

Self-kindness: Self-compassion entails being warm towards oneself when encountering pain and personal shortcomings, rather than ignoring them or hurting oneself with self-criticism.

Common humanity: Self-compassion also involves recognizing that suffering and personal failure is part of the shared human experience.

Mindfulness
: Self-compassion requires taking a balanced approach to one's negative emotions so that feelings are neither suppressed nor exaggerated. Negative thoughts and emotions are observed with openness, so that they are held in mindful awareness. Mindfulness is a non-judgmental, receptive mind state in which individuals observe their thoughts and feelings as they are, without trying to suppress or deny them. Conversely, mindfulness requires that one not be "over-identified" with mental or emotional phenomena, so that one suffers aversive reactions. This latter type of response involves narrowly focusing and ruminating on one's negative emotions.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-compassion


2.  A Self-Compassion Scale developed by Kristin Neff based on the above definition:
 http://self-compassion.org/test-how-self-compassionate-you-are/

My results were not good.  In fact, I have nowhere to go but up! So as you can see, I'm coming at this from a basic beginner understanding.  Or lack thereof.  But I have lots of enthusiasm!  And I genuinely want to discover what this is. 

I read what you posted and I'm going to give it some time to percolate.  It's excellent stuff.  I might need to break it down into sections and focus on one at a time.  So right now, that focus would be on this:

"...self-compassion is simply being with ourselves in the way we would be in our softest moments with a small child.  A perspective of space, understanding, gentleness."   jooni

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 08, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
I'm in! In the rough time I'm currently going through, I have some great support from friends -- real life ones and internet ones -- but I'm physically alone for most hours of the day and night, and so if I'm going to receive any compassion, it's going to be from me.

Jooni's words about being there for yourself as you would for a struggling child really resonate with me, as do the words you found on self-compassion, jane x. So many of us are so hard on ourselves when we face trying times -- like "get it together! You should be able to deal with this!" But I have found that I respond so much better to words like "Aw, this is not easy, but we will find a way through it, and we'll learn from it, and in the meantime let's have some nice flowers and spend a little time in the sunshine, OK?" Just being encouraging to myself, talking to myself like a beloved friend rather than someone who needs to be kept in line.

At a retreat I went to once, the leader said something like, "We keep trying to force ourselves to grow, but look around at the world. That's not how growth happens. Growth is something that happens naturally when we are in the right environment." For me, that environment is encouraging and honest and sweet. The honesty is important, because we have to acknowledge reality and not hide away and try not to face it ... but we can acknowledge it and also acknowledge that it's difficult, it may take some time to sort through, but we believe in ourselves and can do it.

That's what self compassion feels like to me anyway. I tell myself the truth and am also very sweet and encouraging to myself as well. I do my best to never yell at myself. I don't always succeed, but it's my goal to be both real and unharsh as much as I can.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 08, 2018, 04:10:28 PM
One more thing that may or may not resonate for anyone else -- part of self compassion for me is to focus on treating my body well -- getting some joyful movement, getting good sleep, eating some nice yummy things that make me feel good -- instead of on what the scale says about my body.

Different folks can have different and valid approaches to this, but for me, trying to make my body get smaller or change its shape has never been an exercise in self-compassion.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: FireHiker on May 08, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
One more thing that may or may not resonate for anyone else -- part of self compassion for me is to focus on treating my body well -- getting some joyful movement, getting good sleep, eating some nice yummy things that make me feel good -- instead of on what the scale says about my body.

Different folks can have different and valid approaches to this, but for me, trying to make my body get smaller or change its shape has never been an exercise in self-compassion.

This really resonates for me!! I turn 40 this year, and I'm trying to put my focus on things my body can do instead of what it looks like...but I am still pretty harsh with myself about the number on the scale. I've made specific plans for things I will do: half marathon (in June), hike Mt. Whitney (in July), and I'm trying really hard to focus on those goals and increasing strength/fitness as opposed to obsessing about the scale. I could really use some self-compassion though instead of self-criticism. I think I'll be joining you guys here. :)

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 08, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
A half marathon and hiking up a mountain sound amazing to me, like your body deserves not only compassion but many high fives as well :D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: FireHiker on May 08, 2018, 04:44:44 PM
A half marathon and hiking up a mountain sound amazing to me, like your body deserves not only compassion but many high fives as well :D

Thanks! Of course all I see is the closet of clothes that still don't fit yet (from 2 kids ago) and the number on the scale. I think I need this 30 day challenge more than I realized! :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: bucketsofrain on May 08, 2018, 06:07:45 PM
I’d love to join! I am quite unkind to myself, especially about having anxiety. I’m on a trip right now, which I am very happy about, but it makes me more anxious than usual. My feelings range from being annoyed at my anxiety to pretty deep self loathing (usually during a heightened state like a panic attack). I’ve recently realized... my anxiety is a known quantity. I’ve had it as long as I can remember. At various times I’ve assuaged it with therapy but it’s time to accept it and myself. Now the question is how!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 08, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
I’ve recently realized... my anxiety is a known quantity. I’ve had it as long as I can remember. At various times I’ve assuaged it with therapy but it’s time to accept it and myself. Now the question is how!

Hey Buckets (can I call you Buckets? ☺️)

I struggle with anxiety sometimes too. I listened to a guided meditation a while ago that had a few simple gems that helped me, maybe they will help you, too.

First, is just the idea of acknowledging the feeling. “Hi, anxiety. I see you.” This has the effect of popping me out of the middle of the anxious feeling and into a more witnessing mode. Makes it less overwhelming.

The second is just to tell myself “I feel anxious (or sad or whatever) and that’s ok. It’s hard, but it’s normal, and it won’t last forever.”

I mean these statements don’t end the anxiety attack for me or anything, but they help me find my footing within it if that makes sense ...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 08, 2018, 07:00:07 PM
I just had a long visit with someone who was a stranger at the start of it. I feel like the conversation was really about compassion -for children, and for ourselves. As such, it involved huge fits of laughter :)    Self-compassion lets us see ourselves with light, lightness, humour. We make mistakes, or veer off the Ultimate Life Path, but when we can giggle hysterically about that, this is self-compassion. We're loving ourselves and accepting ourselves even while we're not matching what the world has wanted of us.

I like my new, self-compassionate buddy :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 08, 2018, 07:42:28 PM
This is right up my alley, been working on this for years but there is always room for improvement. Actually HEAPS of room, thanks for starting this discussion :)

 I have a daily morning meditation practice, which for me is the main way I have learned to notice and note current self-talk as well as develop a bit of softness and humor in how I speak to and about myself.

 I listen to free online talks by Tara Brach (a meditation teacher & psychologist). She laughs at her own corny jokes and has been one my best teachers for embracing the human condition and practicing self-compassion.


Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 09, 2018, 08:43:33 AM
‘morning, fellow compassionistas/os :)

Yesterday I made a list of triggers and a list of soothers. Acknowledging these was already an act of self-compassion. Another step for me to practice SC is to ensure that a day with triggers is balanced with enough soothers to continue feeling well. It feels very helpful to have them set out as lists.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 09, 2018, 08:53:55 AM
Good morning everyone!  And welcome!  So happy to have everyone's company.  :)

It's so nice to pop in and read everyone's posts.  It made me think that just be having this thread, we are actively engaged in self-compassion as it addresses the Common Humanity aspect of it.  Yay, us!!! 

I've done guided meditations too and found them very helpful, especially for anxiety, grief and sleep.  I'll check out the Tara Brach talks.  This is the site I've used, it's from Kaiser Permanente:  https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/health/care/!ut/p/a0/FchBDoMgEADAt_iAzYZEYfFmhH6hhdsGiZIIGELt99seZ9DjC33hO-3cUy18_uxCLD22md9bqnCnLVZ8okd_Nd4zoysVAocj_o9bT-GM6IzVap2MBamlBCGsgEWPBohoUkKp8UErXjnTZxmGL2IKPpI!/
 
Yesterday I was feeling some anxiety about a few things popping up in my brain and I did gentle soothing and reassuring and it helped quite a bit.  It provided temporary relief and after a few hours the thoughts went away and my mind felt clear and relaxed. 

I'm going to try for one daily exercise in self-compassion and post about it to help me make this into a habit.

Wishing us all a wonderful day!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: finallyfrugal on May 09, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
Wow! I love this thread. I recently read Jordan Peterson's new book: 12 Rules for Life: An antidote to Chaos, (which I'd highly recommend if you like the intersection of psychology, anthropology, evolutionary biology, and philosophy) and the 2nd rule was "Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping"

He talked about how people with organ transplants don't always take their anti-rejection medication, but they'll give their pets their medication. Why? To put it simply, as humans we are aware of our humanity - the good and the depraved. We often have a deep inner self-loathing because of this knowledge.

So the practice of self-compassion seems critical. For me, self-compassion means forgiveness. Forgiving the past, all the decisions I made that I wouldn't make again, and accepting myself as I am, while being open to change.

Another great book on this topic is Radical Acceptance: Embracing Your Life With the Heart of a Buddha by Tara Brach.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 09, 2018, 09:13:41 AM
Yesterday I bought myself a bunch of lovely, inexpensive flowers while I was doing my grocery shopping. Then I came home and there were more flowers waiting for me at my doorstep, sent here by my BFF from New York :)

It's boosting my spirits a great deal several times a day to be surrounded by beautiful spring flowers in every room of my house!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 09, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
So, how difficult (or easy) has it been to identify triggers? I guess the level down from this is developing self-awareness in general.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 09, 2018, 09:15:14 AM
Great post, finallyfrugal! Interesting point about each of us being aware of our own failings so deeply that it can make it difficult to forgive ourselves for them.

Another great book on this topic is Radical Acceptance: Embracing Your Life With the Heart of a Buddha by Tara Brach.

I love this book, too!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 09, 2018, 09:16:08 AM
Yesterday I bought myself a bunch of lovely, inexpensive flowers while I was doing my grocery shopping. Then I came home and there were more flowers waiting for me at my doorstep, sent here by my BFF from New York :)

It's boosting my spirits a great deal several times a day to be surrounded by beautiful spring flowers in every room of my house!

I am loving your BFF! And you - good for bring8ng some beauty and nature into your space!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 09, 2018, 09:25:23 AM
...the 2nd rule was "Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping"

Ooooooooooooooo... Love!!!

I think this is a big piece for me. I consciously function as my own social worker, nurse, doctor, teacher, coach, nutritionist, chef. No one else is going to do the associated tasks, and they're critical to a good life, so I make a point of doing them for me. And to be able to do them, I need a LOT of room in my life, so I delete any unnecessary tasks, outsource some that can be outsourced, etc. i.e., Living simply is the gateway to being able to care for myself as well as others.

For me, self-compassion means forgiveness. Forgiving the past, all the decisions I made that I wouldn't make again, and accepting myself as I am, while being open to change.

Also love!

Welcome, finallyfrugal :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 09, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
So, how difficult (or easy) has it been to identify triggers?

For me, it was a loooooooooooong process. My first 2-3 decades were mostly pain, because I didn't know that a bunch of things were causing me trouble. I didn't know why other people seemed to be moving through the world pretty okay, or even thriving, while I was disintegrating. Eventually I got a diagnosis + countless helpful therapies. Those helped me begin to identify triggers and begin developing effective workarounds.

I guess the level down from this is developing self-awareness in general.

I think that might be so, yes. To take good care of ourselves, to extend compassion to ourselves, we need to know what's up for us.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 09, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
@Anatidae V - you may find this thread helpful or at least interesting....
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: omachi on May 09, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
I'll join. This is something I need to work on. I am certainly my harshest critic. I've been catching myself lately, telling myself I'd never say such a thing to somebody else, so I probably shouldn't say it to myself, either. Next step, backing off the judgement and being nicer to myself.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Anatidae V on May 09, 2018, 12:12:31 PM
@Anatidae V - you may find this thread helpful or at least interesting....
I am much in need of this, you are spot-on, GDog.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wordnerd on May 09, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
I always need this, but this is a particularly good month since I just had a baby and need to be kind to myself in my recovery/sleep deprivation/etc. I'm in.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 10, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
Self-Compassion: Day 3 of 30

What is one soothing word, phrase, or activity I can offer myself today?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 10, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
My child has a strong need to know the day's itinerary. Generally he's fine if it needs to veer here and there, but he loves when it's written out and followed, and occasionally he can break if it's not done to the T. At the same time, I can't always know on Wednesday at 9pm (when I usually write out the itinerary) how I'll be feeling by 3pm Thursday. It depends: his functioning so far that day; the weather; how well I slept; whether I've gotten enough solitude in the interim...

So, my act of self-compassion today is to write in the itinerary 3pm x activity or y activity, mom's choice. Both activities are fun for the kid, but this allows mom some leeway, an option for a break 3pm+.

It acknowledges that I can't know the future, that my need for wiggle room is as genuine as his need for a written itinerary, and that I sometimes need a break. It also allows me to have one!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 10, 2018, 10:05:09 AM
Yesterday I was having another moment of anxious thoughts/feelings and I very quickly began to self-soothe with reassurance, telling myself "Everything is going to be okay, everything is okay." and just repeating it gently and lovingly.  And just as quickly as the anxious feelings and thoughts arrived, they disappeared.  I'm pleasantly surprised that this so effective. 

To @G-dog's point earlier:  I do think in order to practice self-compassion we have to have some awareness of when we need it, or that we need it at all.  For me, it's harder to notice when I'm being critical or harsh with myself than to notice when I'm feeling bad, so I'm starting with that.  I'm working with the assumption that if I'm feeling bad, then I need some compassion.  I hope eventually that will lead to becoming aware of when I'm being hard on myself and causing myself pain. 

I like jooni's idea of finding a soothing word, phrase or activity to offer ourselves everyday.  I suffer from PTSD, so I know that having a daily ritual would be really beneficial. 

Hello Wonderful Super Brain!
What is a soothing word, phrase or activity that I can offer us daily?


(I read somewhere that since our brain is basically a very intelligent computer, it responds well to direct commands and inquiries).  :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 10, 2018, 10:15:35 AM
My child has a strong need to know the day's itinerary. Generally he's fine if it needs to veer here and there, but he loves when it's written out and followed, and occasionally he can break if it's not done to the T. At the same time, I can't always know on Wednesday at 9pm (when I usually write out the itinerary) how I'll be feeling by 3pm Thursday. It depends: his functioning so far that day; the weather; how well I slept; whether I've gotten enough solitude in the interim...

So, my act of self-compassion today is to write in the itinerary 3pm x activity or y activity, mom's choice. Both activities are fun for the kid, but this allows mom some leeway, an option for a break 3pm+.

It acknowledges that I can't know the future, that my need for wiggle room is as genuine as his need for a written itinerary, and that I sometimes need a break. It also allows me to have one!

When I used to have my nephew for the summers I found the same thing - he really needed a sense of structure.  So I created a daily schedule with blocks of time designated as "personal time" and "walk with dogs" and such so that he could have a general feeling of structure and order without me having to account for every hour of the day.  And it also let him know that during certain times he was responsible for his own entertainment.  It was amazing what a difference having that schedule made for him.  I saw him visibly relax and release a deep sigh.  I think not having a schedule was causing him a great deal of anxiety that I wasn't aware of.  I'm not a schedule person and I didn't realize how important that was for him. 

I'm glad that you have found a solution that will make both of you happy.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 10, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
Self-Compassion: Day 3 of 30

What is one soothing word, phrase, or activity I can offer myself today?

Rest : this is the word that came up for me
It's a day off that could easily be filled with errands/tasks/cleaning house, but I can feel that resting (without worry/shame) would be the most beneficial and even if that includes some tasks, they can be done with calm :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 10, 2018, 10:41:29 AM
Great idea, Jooni!

Jane X, based on your last post I wanted to recommend something to you -- I use an app called Insight Timer (it's free!) and there are tons of guided meditations on there. One of my favorites is called "Developing Lovingkindness" and the guy leading it has the nicest gentle accented voice. He takes you through the 5 stages of the Metta lovingkindness meditation. You may be familiar with it already. The idea is that you say these words and send these intentions to yourself and some other people, too

May I be well
May I be happy
May I be free from suffering

You start with yourself, then send the intentions/words to a beloved friend, then to someone you're neutral on, then to someone you're experiencing conflict with, then in radiating circles out to your neighborhood, town, country, and the whole world.

It's amazing how this makes me feel when I do it. Like the love meter in my heart just fills right up. And, in anxious moments, I can just repeat the lines above to myself, and get a mini-fill up right there and then.

When I was singing with Threshold Choir, we had a song based on this meditation that I sing to myself sometimes, too. I wish I could find a video of it for you! I always called it our Xanax song because whoever we were singing to would go right to sleep :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 11, 2018, 08:47:12 AM
madgeylou - that sounds really nice.  Thanks for sharing it.  It does make me feel relaxed just thinking about it. 

Yesterday was a bit of a challenge.  I got upset with dh about how he's handling something and I felt like he's expecting me to take on more burden than is fair and it made me angry so I expressed my anger to him.  Afterwards, I felt guilty/bad because I know that the action that he needs to take is difficult for him and that's why he's avoiding it.  And there's this conflict between me being compassionate with him and being fair to myself.  If I take on the burden, I will feel stressed and resentful, and if I push him, I feel guilty and mean.  And if we both ignore the thing, we will avoid discomfort but lose out on some significant money that is due us.  And end up feeling like doormats.  Happy doormats... is that a thing? 

And then the hilarious thing was that I afterwards I was reading the paper and these were our horoscopes:
Dh - If you are not careful you will be taken advantage of.
Me - Know when to say no. 

I've never put much stock into horoscopes, but how apt is this?! 

I guess today I want to work on extending compassion to both of us, since we both need it.  Lately we find the world a much harsher place than it felt like before.  I don't know if it's the political changes, the fear that those changes has caused in our culture in general and the many people we are surrounded by specifically (lots of immigrants from all over where we live, and a good amount of Dreamers who are now terrified for themselves and their families because now the government knows how to find them because they signed up for the program.)  And added to that is a big problem with housing affordability - we live in one of the most expensive areas in the country, if not the most expensive.  Families are being displaced and squeezed - not everyone here has a $100k/yr tech job.  Lots of working class and lower/middle class folks. 

But lately the environment feels hostile and harsh.  And we feel like we have to become assholes just to advocate for ourselves and receive what we are due (because we've paid for a service, etc).  We hate being assholes.  And we're saddened that being assholes seems the new norm and we better get with the program or get trampled in the process.  It's just really sad and depressing.

We need to make a concerted effort to add more positive experiences to our lives so that this negative aspect doesn't take over. 

Ok, back to self-compassion.  I'm going to allow myself some time to find my groove again now that I've released the bad stuff from last night. 

May I be well.
May I be happy.
May I be free from suffering.

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 11, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
I too have been struggling on some level for much of the last week (various factors, including politics, people’s awful behaviours, etc). Thanks to this thread, yesterday I kept returning my mind to the question of self-compassion.

After many month’s of someone’s poor behaviour (though based in a brain miswiring), I decided it was okay for me to talk about this with my buddies. Freeing myself to talk about a concern/loss was an act of self-compassion.

After a tricky (albeit mostly delightful) week, I have a completly free day today, and am using it only to replenish myself, and to plan for more effective self-care for the next six weeks of a new schedule.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 11, 2018, 09:06:16 AM
Happy doormats... is that a thing? 

Nope :-)

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wordnerd on May 11, 2018, 09:10:45 AM
I took my new baby and healing body into the backyard for awhile this morning. The breeze was fresh and cool, and the birds were chirping. The sunlight danced through the leaves. This was most definitely an act of self compassion for me. Funny how easy it easy to forget to go outside when you can't do the things you normally do.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 11, 2018, 09:17:25 AM
I’d appreciate some discussion on what “may I be free of suffering” means to each of you.

Obviously bad or annoying things happen to each of us, so it I feel it’s not “may bad things not happen to me”

But maybe more “may I accept and deal with bad events gracefully”

What is suffering? Focusing on the bad, feeling sorry for ourselves, being too passive, worrying?

Clearly, this can mean different things to different people, but i’d Appreciate some thinking out loud.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 11, 2018, 09:30:39 AM
I generally decline to say that prayer. I instead meditate that I may have courage and strength to cope with and navigate difficulty. I feel like suffering is part of the human experience, so I ask for courage, strength, support, moments or relief so I can regroup...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 11, 2018, 09:34:06 AM
I generally decline to say that prayer. I instead meditate that I may have courage and strength to cope with and navigate difficulty. I feel like suffering is part of the human experience, so I ask for courage, strength, support, moments or relief so I can regroup...

Yes, this is part of my struggle. Suffering is unavoidable - you can be the luckiest person in the world, and do everything right, but you will still lose a loved one some day, and it will hurt...

But maybe there are other meanings I am not grasping, so I want to expand my thinking around this too.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 11, 2018, 09:37:42 AM
May all beings have happiness and the causes of happiness
May all beings be free of suffering and the causes of suffering
May all beings never be without the sacred joy that is without suffering
May all beings dwell in the great equanimity, free of attachment and aversion


I think the Buddha called it: the origin of suffering is what he called attachment, which would probably be better translated as something like entitlement or expectation. Spending 45 minutes on the phone to squabble about my crappy internet service is not actually a horrible experience: it's upsetting mainly because I feel I shouldn't have to, and because I expected to be able to do something else with that time.

I can't fix my internet service by practicing equanimity, but I can fix most of my suffering by letting go of my conviction that I shouldn't have to spend my time that way.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: SachaFiscal on May 11, 2018, 09:52:14 AM
There's a buddhist parable about arrows that addresses the difference between pain (inevitable) and suffering (somewhat optional). It talks about pain and suffering like a man being hit with two arrows.  The first arrow is painful but the second arrow may be just as painful.  Similarly an event in our life can cause us pain (first arrow), but if we worry and brood and play it over in our heads we can cause ourselves suffering (second arrow).

Sometimes when I find myself worrying over something someone said to me or if I worry about a body pain I am having, I remind myself that I am shooting arrows at myself.

But I agree that suffering is part of the human experience and can be a tool to bring one back to the present moment.  Suffering is a loud indicator that I'm not present and that my mind has wandered off.  Becoming aware of that is the first step to come back home.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 11, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
I see suffering similar to how Sasha and kostra have discussed it. Life is going to include hard spots and painful moments, but if I can feel those feelings and let them pass through me, it causes me less pain. It's like when you have a bug bite or a bruise. The bite or the bruise is painful, but if you keep running your fingers over it / itching it / worrying about it, then you're wrapping your pain up in a big old bundle of suffering.

In Island by Aldous Huxley (one of my favorite books of all time), the old raja talks about how 1/3 of suffering is built in to being a human, and 2/3 we heap on ourselves through worrying, brooding, not learning from our experiences, etc.

So while I don't think any life can be completely free of suffering -- just as I don't think any human can be completely happy all the time, or completely well all the time -- to me it's still a nice thing to wish for myself and someone else. It reminds me that some portion of my experience is up to me. Not all of it for sure, but generally more than what I think.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 11, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
One more thing -- in this book I read called Love 2.0, the author (a positive psychology researcher) found that compassion towards others, compassion towards self, and lovingkindness meditation all increase vagus nerve tone and many other physiological markers of well-being and health.

To me this is super interesting stuff!
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201705/kindness-towards-oneself-and-others-tones-your-vagus-nerve
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 11, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
I see suffering the way Sasha, koshtra and madgeylou do.  Sometimes it's really hard to see the difference and separate out the two.  I might feel guilty if I were to feel entitled to not suffer, when so many in the world do.  But if you separate pain from suffering, then it makes sense.

The arrow analogy is helpful and this story here helped me see it as well - Two Monks and a Woman: https://www.kindspring.org/story/view.php?sid=63753

Most of my suffering comes from carrying all my baggage around for a very long time.  I do think that unless we process our experience of pain, it's very difficult for the mind and body to release it.  And then the pain is compounded by suffering.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 11, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
I've always loved the Two Monks and a Woman story :)

I experience most suffering as transient (thank goodness). So more like waves than a permanent condition. A trauma happens, I experience suffering for a time, I heal, no more suffering. Another trauma happens, ditto.

I believe that once we are safe from any given source of trauma, we have incredible capacity to heal (and no longer suffer, until the next time).
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 11, 2018, 10:58:47 AM
Speaking of monks and a woman...

Just now, I was cleaning my fridge. It's a self-care day, in which I get to do whatever I like! And I like creating cleanliness :)     When I moved in to my amazing place, it was very lightly cleaned. Any intensive cleaning was left for me to do. Two months in, I found today is one in which our fridge has only six things in it -an excellent day to tackle it, before I get groceries. It's looked "fine" to me, but the other day I noticed some little crumbs I would love to clear out. In approaching those, I found a bit more...so pulled a drawer out and found a stain...

I pulled out my handy dandy new magic eraser and was delighted as things I'd assumed were permanent came up!

As I continued to scrub and wipe, the following took place in my head:

"They only lightly cleaned it, now I'm intensively cleaning...yet when I move out, I will intensively clean again, because that's what I do. Well, that's okay, that's just fine... I like that I will prepare it so well for the next person... Oh yes, it's like at the monk retreat I stay at sometimes: When we exit, we're asked to clean our own room thoroughly, and to think of the next struggling person who will arrive, and clean it for them, being prayerful in the activity, blessing that next person while we prepare the space for them.

So, here I am, perhaps years in advance, doing the first round of preparations for the wonderful person who will come after me, tired and struggling, and grateful for a clean happy space...  Yes!

Oh! Wait! I am that person! I am the person for whom I am cleaning this space. I am the person I am blessing. For the next months or years or decades I will have a shiny, sparkling fridge because I took the time and effort to bless it for her. What a lovely gift. Thank you."


Cleaning my fridge this morning -blessing the space for the next person, who happens to be me- is an act of self-compassion.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 11, 2018, 11:25:04 AM
@jooniFLORisploo
that is a lovely cleaning story, in fact--it inspires me to want to scrub the fridge all sparkly :)

I feel a large part of my suffering is the story I am repeating internally about an experience or emotion; the thoughts I pin onto a situation, the history tagged onto it, the expectation for anything different than what reality offers.

If I can gracefully accept what reality is handing me in exactly this moment without a story, it helps me reduce mental anguish and occasionally brings calm, and sometimes even joy.

It doesn't mean that I can't take steps to shift things, but suffering often equals dwelling in the imagined past or future, which doesn't aid change.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 11, 2018, 11:27:36 AM
I instead meditate that I may have courage and strength to cope with and navigate difficulty. I feel like suffering is part of the human experience, so I ask for courage, strength, support, moments or relief so I can regroup...

During my walk I was thinking about this and realizing that this is a necessary component as well.  This feels like the active compliment to the wellness and happiness meditation.  Sometimes life can be really hard, and we need courage and strength to cope and move forward. 

This morning I had an appointment that left me frustrated and angry.  Dealing with insurance people who don't want to pay for damages made by their insured is a big PITA.  And I thought, okay, what action do I need to take so that I can put down the woman and not carry her around for the rest of the day/week?  I identified what action I felt would be most beneficial and I took it.  I have no control over that person, or over the insurance agency, but I can control my own action and sense of agency.  I've done my part and I can let it go.

And now I need to hop on over to my journal and post about positives. I'm noticing (with compassion) how difficult that is for me.  My brain wants to hang on to the the negative.  Self-protective mechanism.  It's okay, brain.  Everything is going to be okay.  Everything is okay.  I am okay. 

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 11, 2018, 11:48:15 AM
Thanks everyone - some of these were perspectives I had thought of, and others add new views to add and consider.

Yes, two arrows - a good analogy.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 12, 2018, 10:11:23 AM
Good morning everyone.

This morning I've been thinking how easy it was to let go of my anger these last couple of days when I took notice of it and took action.  My dh and I talked through it and resolved the issue and all is well, and I made a phone call to the insurance company and expressed my upset about the appraiser's behavior and put that issue to rest.  It is soooo nice to not have a build up of resentment to carry around.  What a relief!  It occurs to me that when we take action to address our anger we are showing respect for it, ourselves, and our body's capacity for guidance.

Self-compassion... I guess the above is an exercise in the aspect of mindfulness as it relates to self-compassion.  I was aware of my anger, I stayed with it, and then I took stops to address the source of the anger without becoming reactive or blaming.  I did not become overly identified with it.  I think if I hadn't taken steps to address it, I would have.  And once the steps were taken, I was able to let go.  My system got the message that the issue was addressed and there was no further need for an anger signal. 

I wouldn't have thought that acting on anger was a practice in self-compassion.  For some reason I've always equated self-compassion with only soft and soothing behaviors and thoughts.  But this is making me realize that kindness and compassion can be manifested in many different ways, including assertiveness, confidence and strength. 

I have an area that needs my compassion right now - my face.  When I'm under stress my face breaks out terribly, and often with painful cystic acne.  No matter how hard I try, the flare-ups take a long time to resolve and heal (and each round leaves a new layer of scarring), even with several prescription topical treatments and washes.  The most effective way to resolve each flare-up is oral antibiotics, which I've done many times and which have caused serious damage to my gut flora.  And it's hard on my system as well, even a low dose of a mild antibiotic will give me serious nausea from day one.  And since all I can tolerate is low-dosage, my treatments are usually 4-6 weeks long.  I always feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Treat the face, at the expense of the stomach, or spare the stomach and suffer in the face. 

I would appreciate some advice on how to approach this with compassion.  I try really hard to be gentle with my face, in terms of not being angry or upset with my body for having this problem, and I try to not let it make me feel embarrassed or ashamed of myself.  Although I admit that sometimes I feel so discouraged and disheartened when I look at my face in the mirror and see it covered with red clusters of acne all over.  And I've been wearing foundation every day so that my face doesn't look so terrible when I catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror.  When I see my face all inflamed I feel so sad and defeated.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: omachi on May 12, 2018, 03:35:37 PM
I can think of a couple ways to practice self-compassion in the presence of flare-ups as described. The first would be to avoid the stresses that cause them in the first place. That can't always be done, but in the cases where you have a choice, choosing the less stressful option might be most self-compassionate, even at the expense of other things you desire.

The second is to accept that this is your condition to deal with and it doesn't make you any less a person because you have to deal with it. Spare the poor stomach and accept that any scars are yours to bear. It sounds like there are already some, so what are a few more compared to possible future stomach issues? The scars don't diminish you or define you; you're much more than them. And once you've accepted it, you may stop feeling heavy foundation is worthwhile if its an additional irritant. Not easy, society has certain expectations, but to start you can ask yourself why you feel compelled to conform to them if those aren't the expectations that you really want.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 12, 2018, 11:23:21 PM
Oh, hugs, jane x! That's so hard. I hate conditions that get worse with stress -- and there are zillions of them, from low back pain to rheumatoid arthritis -- because they're a vicious circle. Your back hurts because you're stressed and you're stressed because your back hurts, and for a little while they just go round and round reinforcing each other.

The self-care piece Omachi mentioned -- taking the avoidance of stress as a serious health concern -- that's important. When stress gets as far as really messing with your immune system it's playing bloody hell with other systems too. If you're like me, you'll spend a lot of time telling yourself you shouldn't experience so much stress. For me a big opportunity for self-compassion is right there: I can stop telling myself that, or anyway answer back to myself. Why shouldn't I be stressed? What makes me the one person in the world who doesn't have a right to find this weird, complicated, harrying, blind-siding modern world stressful?

And then it's worth getting an accurate sense for *what* exactly you find stressful. It may or may not be what other people would expect to be stressful. With some planning and help you may be able to steer around some of the worst stressors.

Meditation was a big help for me. And learning to tell other people close to me ("confess" is what I really mean, because I felt that experiencing stress was a sin. Turns out not everybody sees it that way. Huh.)

Another help was Robert Sapolsky's book about stress in primates, "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers." It had a big impact on me, getting me past thinking of experiencing stress as a personality defect and thinking of it, instead, as part of the biology of social mammals.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Hirondelle on May 13, 2018, 02:15:09 AM
Speaking of monks and a woman...

Just now, I was cleaning my fridge. It's a self-care day, in which I get to do whatever I like! And I like creating cleanliness :)     When I moved in to my amazing place, it was very lightly cleaned. Any intensive cleaning was left for me to do. Two months in, I found today is one in which our fridge has only six things in it -an excellent day to tackle it, before I get groceries. It's looked "fine" to me, but the other day I noticed some little crumbs I would love to clear out. In approaching those, I found a bit more...so pulled a drawer out and found a stain...

I pulled out my handy dandy new magic eraser and was delighted as things I'd assumed were permanent came up!

As I continued to scrub and wipe, the following took place in my head:

"They only lightly cleaned it, now I'm intensively cleaning...yet when I move out, I will intensively clean again, because that's what I do. Well, that's okay, that's just fine... I like that I will prepare it so well for the next person... Oh yes, it's like at the monk retreat I stay at sometimes: When we exit, we're asked to clean our own room thoroughly, and to think of the next struggling person who will arrive, and clean it for them, being prayerful in the activity, blessing that next person while we prepare the space for them.

So, here I am, perhaps years in advance, doing the first round of preparations for the wonderful person who will come after me, tired and struggling, and grateful for a clean happy space...  Yes!

Oh! Wait! I am that person! I am the person for whom I am cleaning this space. I am the person I am blessing. For the next months or years or decades I will have a shiny, sparkling fridge because I took the time and effort to bless it for her. What a lovely gift. Thank you."


Cleaning my fridge this morning -blessing the space for the next person, who happens to be me- is an act of self-compassion.

I just happened to have cleaned my fridge and freezer yesterday, came into this thread to have a read and had to laugh out loud at this one.

I think I'm not too bad at self-compassion to start with, but I'll be here to cheer on everyone!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Anatidae V on May 13, 2018, 06:31:28 AM
Last week, I had to do something that was really scary for me. It happens that it also happens to young babies (getting a vaccine).

"Why can't you just get it? It's not that scary or dangerous, it's perfectly safe, even young babies get vaccines!" In a chastising tone, became:
"It's ok, it hurts a little and you don't have to like it. Give yourself a big hug like you're a little baby who is about to get their vaccine, and know that it's protecting you just like the hug is. We want babies safe so we vaccinate them, and I want you to feel as safe as a little baby".

I also took chocolate along to eat afterwards, that helped too.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: omachi on May 13, 2018, 10:38:25 AM
@jane x - I'm glad my post was of some help. Just to share, I had horrific back acne when I was younger. Two decades later I still have the craters and the scars from it, and I'm certain it's never going away. I had tried medication back then, but it didn't help much and caused other problems. I'm glad it has stopped, because it was painful, but my shoulders are still scarred. It was a source of insecurity for a while.

I'm not sharing to put us on the same level. Your outbreaks are ongoing and they're in a move visible place. My scars aren't visible with a shirt on. Yours is the heavier burden to bear.

I share instead because I'm over it and hope it at least shows you can be too. I share to let you know that I know at least a part of where you're coming from. And I am over it. When I go swimming, my back is bare. When I work out, even at a gym, I often wear a top that shows the scars. If somebody breaks social norms and asks about them, I explain and don't feel any different afterward. I still see them in the mirror. They're mine. They're part of me. They don't have to change who I am. They don't make me any less a person. They're just scars.

I think a big part of what helped me get over it was when (not yet at the time) DW asked if my shoulders still hurt, said she was glad they didn't, then never brought it up again. It sort of gave me permission to not care so much about it. So if an internet stranger's acceptance is of any help, I'll repeat that I don't think your scars should diminish or define you. I bet if you ask any of the important people in your life, they'd agree.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 13, 2018, 12:52:33 PM
Oh, hugs, jane x! That's so hard. I hate conditions that get worse with stress -- and there are zillions of them, from low back pain to rheumatoid arthritis -- because they're a vicious circle. Your back hurts because you're stressed and you're stressed because your back hurts, and for a little while they just go round and round reinforcing each other.

The self-care piece Omachi mentioned -- taking the avoidance of stress as a serious health concern -- that's important. When stress gets as far as really messing with your immune system it's playing bloody hell with other systems too. If you're like me, you'll spend a lot of time telling yourself you shouldn't experience so much stress. For me a big opportunity for self-compassion is right there: I can stop telling myself that, or anyway answer back to myself. Why shouldn't I be stressed? What makes me the one person in the world who doesn't have a right to find this weird, complicated, harrying, blind-siding modern world stressful?

And then it's worth getting an accurate sense for *what* exactly you find stressful. It may or may not be what other people would expect to be stressful. With some planning and help you may be able to steer around some of the worst stressors.

Meditation was a big help for me. And learning to tell other people close to me ("confess" is what I really mean, because I felt that experiencing stress was a sin. Turns out not everybody sees it that way. Huh.)

Another help was Robert Sapolsky's book about stress in primates, "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers." It had a big impact on me, getting me past thinking of experiencing stress as a personality defect and thinking of it, instead, as part of the biology of social mammals.

Thanks @koshtra - I appreciate the support.  I read your post this morning and was thinking about it on my walk.  If I accept that I'm going to be stressed, and better yet if I identify my stressors, then I can prepare for it and lessen the impact.  Kinda like wearing a helmet when you ride a bike!  :)  The helmet isn't going to prevent a fall, and it won't prevent all damage, but it can certainly lessen the damage. And I think it would also significantly reduce the fear and anxiety over potential stressful events - whether real or imagined. 

I'm going to check out the zebra book.  It sounds very interesting.  And I'll probably have some more comments later after I've processed your post a bit more.  Thanks again!

 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 13, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
My big exercise in self-compassion is implementing a series of short forum breaks for me. This was upon my wise teenager's suggestion, lol. I'd been feeling a bit fragile the last little while, and some things on the forum were really exacerbating that, so I felt my son was right. But I wanted to check in and let my forum buddies know I'm fine and also to connect with this thread.

I took about 48 hours (?) off, and used it to start rebuilding myself through rest, solitude, nutrition, getting some stuff done, sessions of three hours at the coffee shop... YAY! Lots of love and kindness to myself while I adjust to my son's intensive new therapy schedule.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 13, 2018, 04:03:35 PM
jane x, in terms of self-compassion (as opposed to physical healing) re: cystic acne, I want to share... I too had severe, cystic acne. I found it devastating. It made me very self-conscious, sad, sometimes self-hating. Long before the condition physically healed, counsellors walked me through exercises like: becoming willing to gaze at myself in a mirror (I hadn't for literally years); then gazing at myself and saying nice things to myself via the reflection; then holding any part of my body and saying kind and grateful things to it.

Through various means, the acne did heal and what a relief, of course. (It can be too easy to talk about self-compassion in relation to this if we don't have it!) But I also feel like those teachings were excellent, because they seem to have stuck. At 47, I would (if I had to) give myself the same objective rating of my looks as then, but gosh, there's a lot of kindness and laughter in my subjective take now ;)

I'm very inspired by what seems to be a new generation of healthy, obese people who are successfully holding themselves in love despite society's quirky obsessions. They seem to be on target here.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 13, 2018, 09:09:04 PM
Thanks to all for sharing your experience and stories. It is a privilege and pleasure to be here for each other in this way.

Today I walked in the sun (while listening to Tara Brachs talk about addiction "the realm of the hungry ghosts" where she spoke about how addiction is not healed by self-loathing and shame but by acceptance and love "Love is always loving")

Then I swam, and was accepting of my not-so-gentle-self wanting privacy versus swimsuiting in front of random people. How hard we are on ourselves..
I agree with you @jooniFLORisploo , the culture is quirky and if we pay attention, only a very small number would feel worthy of love due to the standards set out. How about we love all of us? How radical would that be.

Loving...my legs that may have spider veins and cellulite but have carried me up mountains, including to Everest base camp and do hiking/active feats regularly and somehow I  am hard on them for not being the right shape/tone? It's a bizarre cycle.

I want the confidence of self-love. And somehow I believe it starts with self-compassion.

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 13, 2018, 10:33:09 PM
@jane x - I'm glad my post was of some help. Just to share, I had horrific back acne when I was younger. Two decades later I still have the craters and the scars from it, and I'm certain it's never going away. I had tried medication back then, but it didn't help much and caused other problems. I'm glad it has stopped, because it was painful, but my shoulders are still scarred. It was a source of insecurity for a while.

I'm not sharing to put us on the same level. Your outbreaks are ongoing and they're in a move visible place. My scars aren't visible with a shirt on. Yours is the heavier burden to bear.

I share instead because I'm over it and hope it at least shows you can be too. I share to let you know that I know at least a part of where you're coming from. And I am over it. When I go swimming, my back is bare. When I work out, even at a gym, I often wear a top that shows the scars. If somebody breaks social norms and asks about them, I explain and don't feel any different afterward. I still see them in the mirror. They're mine. They're part of me. They don't have to change who I am. They don't make me any less a person. They're just scars.

I think a big part of what helped me get over it was when (not yet at the time) DW asked if my shoulders still hurt, said she was glad they didn't, then never brought it up again. It sort of gave me permission to not care so much about it. So if an internet stranger's acceptance is of any help, I'll repeat that I don't think your scars should diminish or define you. I bet if you ask any of the important people in your life, they'd agree.

Thanks @omachi - I appreciate your sharing and your generous gift of acceptance.  Your post made me think about how we perceive our value relative to our imperfections.  One can look at perfectionism as the opposite of self-compassion because it's a belief that only that which is perfect is acceptable.  So we tally up our imperfections and deduct them from our value as human beings.  What a conflict that sets up with nature!  And we are a product of nature.  Hence, we are intrinsically, and beautifully, imperfect, just like every other creature and creation in the universe.  Who decided that anything less than perfection is not good enough? 

So the challenge then becomes - can I see myself as beautifully imperfect and completely worthy of love and acceptance just as I am?  Can I accept, even love, my external and internal imperfections and see them not as flaws to be judged and attacked, but as signs of my humanity?  And powerful reminders of my connection to the natural world.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 13, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
@jooniFLORisploo - I'm so glad you're taking good care of yourself!  You are unfailingly kind and loving to everyone, and for sure that's going to take a toll.  It's going to deplete your resources so you must be careful to replenish and restore often.  And please know that your loving presence lingers and is felt even when you're not here.  The jooni spirit is very strong!!!  :)

Thank you for sharing your own experience with cystic acne.  I think it's hard to understand the effect it has on a person if you haven't suffered from it.  I'm really glad that yours has healed.  I immediately wanted to ask you HOW!  And I stopped myself because I know that it's not as easy as that.  And that what works for one person might not work for another.  But it highlighted how desperate we become to find a solution.  I do try to be loving and gentle with myself, and with my face, but it's still hard. 

I've been really impressed by the model Ashley Graham for her willingness to embrace and celebrate her body and refuse to let others shame her into self-hatred.  I first became aware of her because she was posting bikini photos of herself without any retouching and showing all her cellulite, stretch marks and imperfections.  And when others would post unflattering paparazzi photos of her, she would repost them on her instagram and laugh about it.  And I thought, Wow!  This girl's got GUTS!  And now she redefining beauty on a global scale.  It's awesome. 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: deborah on May 13, 2018, 11:32:54 PM
Once I had a beautiful SIL, who one day visited me at work. We went shopping together and came back. The receptionists stopped me when we came back and told me how beautiful she was. Every person in the street paused and watched us. It was amazing.

I never want that experience again. How would it be if everyone always watched you?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 14, 2018, 05:59:20 AM
Once I had a beautiful SIL, who one day visited me at work. We went shopping together and came back. The receptionists stopped me when we came back and told me how beautiful she was. Every person in the street paused and watched us. It was amazing.

I never want that experience again. How would it be if everyone always watched you?

And everyone feels they can comment on your looks directly to your- like they are doing you a favor.

And how would you feel when they stopped? Relieved? Sad?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 14, 2018, 09:10:32 AM
I probably should be on this thread, as I really struggle with self-compassion and acceptance. Mainly for me it takes the form of me being pissed at my body for having needs that are not convenient or that I feel make me lazy or out of control (food, sleep/rest, water). I'm really not sure how to change my thinking on this. I feel like my mind should be the boss of my body, not the other way around, but as I get older I'm realizing this is not true. And it makes me so ANGRY. Can anyone relate?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 14, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
Since there has been so much talk about folks having a hard time being compassionate towards their bodies, I would like to tell you all that I wrote a short and funny book specifically about this a few years ago, which you can get on my website for free (https://www.belesscrazy.com/).

(I don't mean to be spammy at all, but I have heard from many people that this book has been helpful to them in shifting some of the patterns around how we think about our bodies so I wanted to share it with you all.)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 14, 2018, 10:09:48 AM
Once I had a beautiful SIL, who one day visited me at work. We went shopping together and came back. The receptionists stopped me when we came back and told me how beautiful she was. Every person in the street paused and watched us. It was amazing.

I never want that experience again. How would it be if everyone always watched you?

When I have acne flare-ups I get the same reaction of people stopping in their tracks and staring with surprise and often a look of alarm on their faces.  It is not pleasant.  And many people, usually women, will approach me and offer "advice" on how to get rid of the acne.  I know they mean well, so try not to be offended, but sometimes I feel like shouting, "I'm trying everything!"  I have to say though, it's gotten easier to let it go as I've gotten older.  I once ran into a high school classmate and she looked at me, gasped and said, "Oh my God, what HAPPENED to you?!" And a guy I was dating said the same thing when he happened to look at a photo of me before the acne.  Both of these happened years ago and I still remember them, but the newer incidents just kind of fade away and don't have the impact that they once did.  So that is some big progress right there!  :) 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 14, 2018, 10:13:15 AM
Once I had a beautiful SIL, who one day visited me at work. We went shopping together and came back. The receptionists stopped me when we came back and told me how beautiful she was. Every person in the street paused and watched us. It was amazing.

I never want that experience again. How would it be if everyone always watched you?

When I have acne flare-ups I get the same reaction of people stopping in their tracks and staring with surprise and often a look of alarm on their faces.  It is not pleasant.  And many people, usually women, will approach me and offer "advice" on how to get rid of the acne.  I know they mean well, so try not to be offended, but sometimes I feel like shouting, "I'm trying everything!"  I have to say though, it's gotten easier to let it go as I've gotten older.  I once ran into a high school classmate and she looked at me, gasped and said, "Oh my God, what HAPPENED to you?!" And a guy I was dating said the same thing when he happened to look at a photo of me before the acne.  Both of these happened years ago and I still remember them, but the newer incidents just kind of fade away and don't have the impact that they once did.  So that is some big progress right there!  :)

Ugh. I have gotten similar comments about my weight in the past. I started sharing a very clear boundary with those who would make comments -- "I'm not interested in talking about my body with you" -- and the comments have dropped off considerably since then. It can be very hurtful, though.

It seems to me that most people are still embedded in the patriarchal thought structure that a woman's primary value is in the way she looks. When we try to live within a new thought structure -- the way we look is a part of but by far not the most important thing about who we are -- and others are not willing or able to do so, it can be very painful. I will say as a fat lady who is now perfectly fine with the way I look upwards of 99% of the time, it DOES get easier with practice.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 14, 2018, 11:16:31 AM
My question to you would be - do you want to change the way you relate to your body?  Do you want to stop being angry with it?  Because when I hear you speak about being so angry with your body for expressing its needs, it triggers me.  I'm not sure why, but it does.  In the interest of protecting my body, I would ask that you really ask yourself if you are ready to seek out the practice of self-compassion.  This is a place to build each other up, not tear each other down, or watch someone else tear themselves down.  That's too painful to witness.

I'm sorry that I triggered you; that was not my intent. Yes, I absolutely want to stop being angry with my body! It serves no purpose at all. I would rather feel compassionate about my body's needs, just not quite sure how to get there.

I really like that saying, and I will have to think more about it. And you're right, it probably does have a lot to do with circumstances that might be making my body express its needs more loudly these days.

madgeylou, I will absolutely check out your book! I actually think I downloaded it at some point but never got around to reading it. Very interested in what you have to say on the subject. :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 14, 2018, 12:03:23 PM
Yeah, one of the things I wanted to say is that any self-limiting condition that doesn't have a good working remedy generates tons of folk remedies (because people try stuff, and the last thing they tried before it went away last time "worked.")  V. the common cold, low back pain, etc. A lot of these are stupid to the point of insulting, and people are REALLY aggressive in informing you of their goddamn remedies. So part of your self care is shutting down idiots as rapidly as possible. I hate that shit. (My trade, massage therapy, is rife with folk remedy bullshit. It drives me crazy.)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 14, 2018, 12:29:26 PM
One item of self-compassion I need to work on is accepting compliments and accepting gifts. Both are difficult for me - both believing I deserve them, and that the givers are sincere.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 14, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
P2F. I've been having a very hard time lately (big medical problems, big work problems, and emotional fallout from a friend dying, all at once) and... I don't know. I think I would benefit from reading along, at a minimum.

Yeah, one of the things I wanted to say is that any self-limiting condition that doesn't have a good working remedy generates tons of folk remedies (because people try stuff, and the last thing they tried before it went away last time "worked.")  V. the common cold, low back pain, etc. A lot of these are stupid to the point of insulting, and people are REALLY aggressive in informing you of their goddamn remedies.

I have a bunch of these sorts of health problems (low back pain, early-onset arthritis, asthma, migraines) and people are always giving me unsolicited advice. (Sometimes without even knowing what the diagnosis is!) It drives me up a wall. They think they're being helpful, but what I hear is that they think this problem is my own fault because I'm too lazy/skeptical/whatever to do their quack remedy that they keep telling me about.

I guess my self care in re: this problem is that every time I mention a medical issue on Facebook (e.g. canceling plans because I have a bad migraine) I add a postscript asking my friends not to post any unsolicited advice. It works pretty well.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 15, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
P2F. I've been having a very hard time lately (big medical problems, big work problems, and emotional fallout from a friend dying, all at once) and... I don't know. I think I would benefit from reading along, at a minimum.

Yeah, one of the things I wanted to say is that any self-limiting condition that doesn't have a good working remedy generates tons of folk remedies (because people try stuff, and the last thing they tried before it went away last time "worked.")  V. the common cold, low back pain, etc. A lot of these are stupid to the point of insulting, and people are REALLY aggressive in informing you of their goddamn remedies.

I have a bunch of these sorts of health problems (low back pain, early-onset arthritis, asthma, migraines) and people are always giving me unsolicited advice. (Sometimes without even knowing what the diagnosis is!) It drives me up a wall. They think they're being helpful, but what I hear is that they think this problem is my own fault because I'm too lazy/skeptical/whatever to do their quack remedy that they keep telling me about.

I guess my self care in re: this problem is that every time I mention a medical issue on Facebook (e.g. canceling plans because I have a bad migraine) I add a postscript asking my friends not to post any unsolicited advice. It works pretty well.

@Dollar Slice - I'm sorry to hear you're having a hard time.  ((((((((((( Dollar Slice ))))))))))) 

And I'm also sorry that you have the health problems that cause you pain.  I hope that this thread will provide some comfort for you and be a place where you can share and receive support and encouragement.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 15, 2018, 09:25:31 AM
I just got my new dishwasher delivered and I'm excited.  This purchase is an act of self-compassion on my part.  The past year or so I've been getting bad lower back aches every time I was the dishes.  I wash by hand, I've never had a dishwasher before.  Since we cook from scratch and eat most of our meals at home there are always dishes, pots and pans to wash and washing them is one of my chores.  Dh always offers but he has to get up at 5:30 am to go to work so I think it's only fair that I do the dishes.  And recently I've been getting the worst hot flushes when I do the dishes.  My face burns up from the heat and humidity rising from the sink.  And it takes a long time for it to subside.  Pretty sure it's perimenopause.

It always felt like too much of an indulgence to spend so much money on a 'want' of mine (the machine plus the new cabinet, new countertop, and labor to install the new plumbing and hook up the machine).  But I finally decided that I didn't want to be standing over the sink washing every night.  It's always been hard for me to spend money when it's purely for my benefit and especially when it's a want.  But I'm really glad I did.

How about if we share some ways that we are showing compassion for ourselves today?  Big or small - it all matters!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 15, 2018, 11:33:13 AM
I was shocked at how much my quality of life improved when we moved to an apartment with a dishwasher. Good for you!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 15, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
Thank you for your courageous & compassionate share @jane x and good job with the dishwasher. Your back and hot-flashes might thank you as well.

 Spending money on ourselves is indeed a skill, done well it truly can be a healing thing, not compulsive but caring.
I have an easy time spending money on hard goods but harder time with things like haircuts, massages, etc (not so because of the mustachian-aspect but the treating-the-self aspect). It's a good kindness to practice I reckon, on occasion :)

Today, I showed compassion for myself by planning some solo down-time.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 15, 2018, 05:48:30 PM
I'm really sorry that happened to you, jane, and you have nothing to atone for.

Don't want to give details, but there are some similarities in my background. Therapy has helped some, but in some situations (like a situation I'll be in this weekend), that thinking comes back. It's hard to overcome. But you are right, we all deserve to care for ourselves, regardless of what happened in our past.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 15, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
@jooniFLORisploo - I'm so glad you're taking good care of yourself!  You are unfailingly kind and loving to everyone, and for sure that's going to take a toll.  It's going to deplete your resources so you must be careful to replenish and restore often.  And please know that your loving presence lingers and is felt even when you're not here.  The jooni spirit is very strong!!!  :)

Thank you, jane x :)

For me, it can take strength and courage to be kind and loving in tough places, including speaking up for bullied people, but it doesn't feel like it takes a toll. Other things -poisons, in effect- do take a toll. Unjustified poisons take the biggest one, so I need to scooch around those. That's where the self-compassion comes in: Remembering who I am even if someone makes a story.

Beautiful things have been landing in my email inbox -as well as in my life- including two gorgeous articles, one on self-compassion and one from Captain Awkward on how to cope when people lie about a person to save face in their social group or to protect their own psyche. So, reinforcements have been tumbling in.

And sometimes, self-compassion is as simple as having a giant, sourdough, kimchi, beef burger before heading out on a new schedule :)    That one trick made for my first sustainable day of my child's new therapy schedule. Whew. I had to keep asking myself: What do I need? What elements can transform this from too difficult to lovely? It was a damn morning burger. Who knew?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 16, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
How about if we share some ways that we are showing compassion for ourselves today?  Big or small - it all matters!

Had a(nother) tough day yesterday and decided that instead of trying to start catching up on chores, I would just lay in bed all evening and finish my library book.

Tonight I'll attempt laundry... I know I'll feel better if I get it done.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 16, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
For me, it can take strength and courage to be kind and loving in tough places, including speaking up for bullied people, but it doesn't feel like it takes a toll. Other things -poisons, in effect- do take a toll. Unjustified poisons take the biggest one, so I need to scooch around those. That's where the self-compassion comes in: Remembering who I am even if someone makes a story.

I love how you said this! I said something similar to myself during my last big breakup where my ex was telling himself a story that wasn't true -- I don't have any control over what story he tells himself, but I was there and I know what I know. Yours works better as a mantra :)

Beautiful things have been landing in my email inbox -as well as in my life- including two gorgeous articles, one on self-compassion and one from Captain Awkward on how to cope when people lie about a person to save face in their social group or to protect their own psyche. So, reinforcements have been tumbling in.

I would love to read that Captain Awkward piece if it's not too much trouble to share the link?

How about if we share some ways that we are showing compassion for ourselves today?  Big or small - it all matters!

Had a(nother) tough day yesterday and decided that instead of trying to start catching up on chores, I would just lay in bed all evening and finish my library book.

Tonight I'll attempt laundry... I know I'll feel better if I get it done.

I'm sorry you're having a rough go of it, DS. Here's hoping you can get a bit of laundry done and a bit of a boost from it. Of course, if resting is going to help the most, I hope you get lots of that, too.

Today I'm showing compassion for myself by feeding and watering some things that I am interested in outside of my current marriage meltdown, which has consumed a huge amount of my brainpower over the last 6 weeks. (Has it really only been 6 weeks since all this happened? Craziness.)

Anyway I'm taking some steps to refocus on other parts of my life -- financial progress, taking care of my body by recommitting to eating vegetables more regularly and doing my neglected physical therapy exercises.

I also got myself a beautifully-scented candle that is making me feel happy and cared for. Sometimes it's just very little tiny things!

Also, jane x, I can so relate to your happiness about the dishwasher! I don't mind washing dishes by hand most days since there are only a few, but it's so nice to have the option to let a machine do it for me sometimes. I don't have a dishwasher right now but I will in my next apartment :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 16, 2018, 09:17:04 PM
I'm sorry you're having a rough go of it, DS. Here's hoping you can get a bit of laundry done and a bit of a boost from it. Of course, if resting is going to help the most, I hope you get lots of that, too.

Thank you :-) I got all the laundry done and also took out the trash and recycling. Hopefully I will feel better about things in the morning when I'm not looking at all that stuff. I felt so down all day today, so it's hard to tell if it made a difference yet.

I was really shaken up yesterday by a phone call from my mom. Everyone is OK but she had a really bad scare and sounded so upset on the phone (I've never heard her sound like that in my life) that I immediately thought someone had died or that she was badly injured or something like that. To the point that I interrupted her four times in the first two minutes to make sure the person she just mentioned had not been injured or killed. I was SO not ready for that the week after my friend died so suddenly. I feel selfish even saying that since I'm just the passive observer here and nothing bad happened to ME... but... yeah. I could really go for some Xanax... :-/

Tomorrow I have a big work deadline, but I think I'm going to take myself out and do something mustachianly luxurious in the evening. Tacos or a fancy hot chocolate or something.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Anatidae V on May 17, 2018, 01:46:03 AM
I have a big work deadline myself, but after a weeks of bad sleep I let myself take the day to play, get through some housework, take naps and eat good food. If I feel up to it tonight, I'll do work then.

I also let my self "bother" DH about hanging with me for a moment while I took my iron supplement, because I knew my anxiety would have a little peak and I've been avoiding it for 2 weeks even though I know I'm borderline low and it's been making me really fatigued. Now I've had it once, i should be less anxious next time - BUT I can always "bother" someone if it helps me care for myself better!

I have been so stressed out took 2 hours to manage some actual sleep for a nap, but I feel so much better!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: deborah on May 17, 2018, 03:15:53 AM
While I worked, I would occasionally take a week of holidays as a “me” week.This worked very well, but it could be any other length of time. Before it I listed the things that were bugging me, and what I wanted to do about them. Some might be clothes that needed fixing before I could wear them again. A haircut. A door that didn’t seal properly...

I wanted no pressure, so nothing on the list had to be done, but the “me” week was devoted to those things. Each time I achieved a lot of them, and found life was easier because the niggles had been reduced.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 18, 2018, 09:07:57 AM
I love how you said this! I said something similar to myself during my last big breakup where my ex was telling himself a story that wasn't true -- I don't have any control over what story he tells himself, but I was there and I know what I know.

Thanks, madgeylou! It really helped to hear that someone as awesome as you has been in a similar position and that my words made sense to you.

I would love to read that Captain Awkward piece if it's not too much trouble to share the link?

I read hardly any of this Q&A, but the link is: https://captainawkward.com/2018/05/14/ask-a-manager-my-dad-is-dating-my-boss-and-they-want-me-to-go-to-couples-therapy-with-them/ and the words that caught my attention and gave me much relief were:

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Also get ready for Jill (and your dad, by proxy) to tell a bunch of lies about you. Do not use her as a reference, for anything. The  story will become how she gave you a job out of the goodness of her heart and you were bad at it and also ungrateful. The truth is you are pretty good at your job and would thrive in a functional workplace with functional people. The truth is she would have a very hard time finding anyone to replace the work you do, and definitely would have a hard time finding someone who would put up with her whims as patiently as you have, especially for the bullshit low wages she is almost definitely paying you. This is a very hard lesson to learn, but sometimes people will tell stories about you that aren’t true to try to punish you or manipulate you, and your best option out of a bunch of bad options is for you is to let them think and say whatever they want, because for you to stay and try to argue with them or prove them wrong gives them more access to abuse you. Abusive people like Jill are experts in creating an alternate reality, where you are both the worst person who ever lived and someone who is completely irreplaceable and owes it to them to stay forever (and let yourself be abused). It’s easier to get out of this trap when you know it’s coming.

I was just surprised by this info, and happily so. It was just, "Oh! This is just a thing some people do? To save face socially or to protect their own psyche from their mistakes? Oh, okay!"
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 18, 2018, 09:15:47 AM
Third forum break in a week (48-72 hours each, with about half an hour on between those), and each wave has been so helpful. Getting lots of self-care and life admin done, each an act of self-compassion.

But also lots of magic has been happening...externally and internally. For example, for 13 years I have been worried I wasn't quite "good enough" in my parenting. Somehow, despite how hard I worked at each aspect, I should be more or be someone else. It didn't matter what others said, I still had this sense of needing to do better. Yesterday I had perhaps a minute of completely knowing I'm a solidly good mom. Like, knew that to the innermost aspect of my very bones and psyche. It was like seeing myself from the god perspective, or from a perspective of kindness, generous judgement, joy. It was wild.

It feels like the self-compassion of choosing kind, healthy spaces is making room for the "good angels" to show up.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 18, 2018, 09:21:38 AM
Awesome @jooniFLORisploo ! A break and space from most things, even the good things can be magical indeed. Lovely to hear. I've uninstalled IG for a week and am also taking a small breaks off other internet-based communities.

A poem I listened to on my meditation app this morning..a bit long but thought I would share.



She let go. Without a thought or a word, she let go.

She let go of the fear.  She let go of the judgments.  She let go of the confluence of opinions swarming around her head.  She let go of the committee of indecision within her.  She let go of all the ‘right’ reasons. Wholly and completely, without hesitation or worry, she just let go.

She didn’t ask anyone for advice. She didn’t read a book on how to let go.  She didn’t search the scriptures. She just let go.  She let go of all of the memories that held her back.  She let go of all of the anxiety that kept her from moving forward.  She let go of the planning and all of the calculations about how to do it just right.

She didn’t promise to let go. She didn’t journal about it. She didn’t write the projected date in her Day-Timer. She made no public announcement and put no ad in the paper. She didn’t check the weather report or read her daily horoscope. She just let go.

She didn’t analyze whether she should let go. She didn’t call her friends to discuss the matter. She didn’t do a five-step Spiritual Mind Treatment. She didn’t call the prayer line. She didn’t utter one word. She just let go.

No one was around when it happened. There was no applause or congratulations. No one thanked her or praised her. No one noticed a thing. Like a leaf falling from a tree, she just let go.

There was no effort. There was no struggle. It wasn’t good and it wasn’t bad. It was what it was, and it is just that.

In the space of letting go, she let it all be. A small smile came over her face. A light breeze blew through her.
And the sun and the moon shone forevermore.

-Safire Rose
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
How's everyone doing?

I'm currently reading the book Option B. I don't know what I thought it was going to be, but it's even better than that! :)    It's about resiliency through some of the toughest shit. It has a section titled self-compassion.

What I like most in it so far is that when the author's seemingly perfect (definitely amazing, privileged) life is turned upside down by a truly devastating event and she experiences anger like never before, by the time of writing she seems to have compassion for her expressions of this emotion. I'm so glad!

I really believe in the philosophy that we're generally doing the best we can, at any given moment, with what we have and know. Trauma and grief have a way of undoing us, immediately or longer term (until healed). When I have fucked up terribly, it's usually because of trauma or grief. Off hand, I can't think of an instance when this wasn't the case. Sometimes it takes me a long time to forgive myself for a major "misstep". But if I keep trying to, I seem to get there eventually. We all deserve forgiveness -including from ourselves- for the things we did when traumatized or grieving.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 21, 2018, 01:40:45 PM
How's everyone doing?

Not great :-(  Didn't manage to do any of the nice things for myself that I'd planned last week. Thursday I unexpectedly had to work really late and Friday I was so exhausted that I just did a couple of errands and went to bed at 8PM. Since then, two co-workers have done things that really stressed me out badly and I've hardly been sleeping at all.

I think the universe felt bad for me, because everywhere I went this weekend, I ran into friends/friendly acquaintances, and people were specially nice to me a couple of times for no apparent reason.

My attempt at self-care today was posting a journal here and asking for advice/help about something that's causing me a lot of anxiety. And using my "caffeine emergency" Coke that I stashed in the fridge a while back.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
I think the universe felt bad for me, because...

:))))))

I'm so glad the Universe is taking care of you when it's too hard for you to do more.

Sorry things have been tough, Dollar Slice! I'm going to go look at your journal...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 21, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
I had to do something that's really physically and emotionally exhausting this weekend - selling my handmade jewelry at a huge convention. This time, I tried acknowledging that what I'm doing is really hard, and telling myself that my reactions to the stress and exhaustion were OK and normal, rather than engaging in the negative self-talk that I usually give myself when I do these events. Didn't always succeed at it, but at least I tried!

And I'm really glad that I decided to take care of myself by taking today off work so that I could rest, because these conventions really drain me. 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 02:04:26 PM
This time, I tried acknowledging that what I'm doing is really hard, and telling myself that my reactions to the stress and exhaustion were OK and normal...

Awesome, Tris!!!! From what I'd read on your journals over the last couple of years (?), I know that's a really big step. Proud of you :)    So glad you gave yourself room to rest today too.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: omachi on May 21, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
I went out an walked 11 miles in one go over the weekend and it was exactly what I needed. Forest was in bloom, sounds of wildlife all around, nice to just get away from everything and stretch the legs for a while. Didn't feel remotely guilty for taking the time for myself. The other stuff could (and did) wait. Sometimes that's hard to acknowledge.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Tris Prior on May 21, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
Thanks, joon! I think one thing that helped me to make this shift was looking around during setup and realizing that I was older than probably 90 percent of the other artists there. As in, could've-given-birth-to-these-people younger. This event skews really young in both attendees and vendors. And somehow rather than thinking "oh shit, I am old and decrepit" (OK, I admit that this DID cross my mind, haha!) it occured to me that, "huh. There are a lot of things that I struggle with energy-wise that were no problem when I was in my very early 20s, so I guess it's natural that I am struggling with this too." I can't say I like it, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 21, 2018, 03:15:45 PM
Tris, I had to work conventions a couple of times. It is soooo hard, especially if you are an introvert! One of them I was working across from a booth that was selling flashing/strobing lights and I thought I was going to be the first documented case of sudden-onset epilepsy. My one success was figuring out that if you spend $10 on candy and put it in a bowl in your booth, everyone really likes you all of a sudden and they all feel like they have to stop to say hi and look at your stuff if they want your candy. And they really, really want your candy.

I'm so glad the Universe is taking care of you when it's too hard for you to do more.

Me too! It was funny how much it happened. I totally crapped out on Saturday night and got to a sold-out concert much later than planned, thus ensuring a horrible seat way in the back. But it's that venue where the maitre'd thinks I'm the bees knees, and he found a single seat for me, front row center, sharing a table with the family of the star musician. Went to a matinee alone? Walked up to the place and an acquaintance of mine who lives 100+ miles away is standing all by himself at the door, so pleased to see a friend because his wife was sick and couldn't make it. Feeling awful while grocery shopping? Ran into a particularly fun and cheerful friend near the rotisserie chickens, who was happy to share all the cool stuff he's got going on. Etc. etc.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
ha ha!!! Those are some amazing and thrilling examples, Dollar Slice!!!

The universe has been doing some extremely funny things like that in my life lately, too :)   So fun.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
Two decisions I made recently re: self compassion.

1. Spend more money on my dreams, personal goals. That was largely unheard of from 1971 through 2016. I started branching out in 2017, panicked a little, and last week decided that yes, this is the right path. Even if I spend $6k on these this year, it is correct now. Most of my life (including spending) has been about service. That was right then. Much of my life is still about service, and now it will also be x% play.

2. My own counsellor. I'd found one for my kid, and they have a great connection, good stuff happens there. But this counsellor has never been a great fit for me. She is kind, but I need more than kindness. I need (from a counsellor) tools, inspiration/example, intellectual understanding of specific matters, me time, consideration of my experience (versus only my child's). I kept wanting to stay with this person because the insurance is already sorted, she's kind, it's one-stop-shopping. But to have myself keep going there -rather than finding the right fit for me- was the opposite of self-compassion. I try my first new one tomorrow.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 21, 2018, 03:41:55 PM
2. My own counsellor. I'd found one for my kid, and they have a great connection, good stuff happens there. But this counsellor has never been a great fit for me. She is kind, but I need more than kindness. I need (from a counsellor) tools, inspiration/example, intellectual understanding of specific matters, me time, consideration of my experience (versus only my child's). I kept wanting to stay with this person because the insurance is already sorted, she's kind, it's one-stop-shopping. But to have myself keep going there -rather than finding the right fit for me- was the opposite of self-compassion. I try my first new one tomorrow.

Oh, Lord, I've done that too -- stuck with a counselor because they were really good fit for someone else. (When you say it out loud it sounds kind of like an obvious thing not to do. But lots of things are like that, I guess.) Anyway -- exciting! I hope you get someone terrific.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 21, 2018, 03:48:35 PM
(When you say it out loud it sounds kind of like an obvious thing not to do.

Made me burst out laughing :)))

Totally approaching this as a shopping expedition. I will try tomorrow's new person out, then as many others as need be. If I'm going to live here for, say, 3-12 years it will be worth the exploration. I've had several excellent-for-me counsellors over the years, and am really looking forward to having another one.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 21, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
DollarSlice, I’m glad the universe is helping you out. Those scenarios you described sound so delightful, it could hardly be anything else.

Jooni, good luck with the new counselor!

Tris, I know what you mean about feeling like you could have given birth to a lot of the people around you 😂 I try to laugh about it now and enjoy my moderate oldness and (maybe?) wisdom.

Omachi, your walk sounds *wonderful*. I had one of those last week myself (6 miles — it was enough!) and it reset my spirit so nicely.

I just came out of a rainy weekend where I had no friend dates lined up, but I did okay.

Friday night I watched some movies had some big cathartic cries and I slept very well.

Saturday I went for a walk in the rain and flipped through some beautiful library books while listening to The Hunger Games which always makes me feel better about my lot in life.

Sunday I finally started packing and got a lot done!

Today I had a massage and I’m about to go buy myself some very frivolous iridescent lip gloss, then go home and eat a big salad and *fingers crossed* get a good night of sleep. 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 23, 2018, 10:49:30 AM
I've been sick for a week and my face has gotten out of control with the acne so I buckled and started taking antibiotics yesterday.  At this point, I've had severe acne for most of the year and I'm at my wit's end.  This will probably trigger nausea.  I'm looking for advice on managing the nausea without the use of lots of carbs, which is what I usually do.  Help!  :(
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 23, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
I've been sick for a week and my face has gotten out of control with the acne so I buckled and started taking antibiotics yesterday.  At this point, I've had severe acne for most of the year and I'm at my wit's end.  This will probably trigger nausea.  I'm looking for advice on managing the nausea without the use of lots of carbs, which is what I usually do.  Help!  :(

When I had medication-induced nausea for a while, I found that peppermint made me feel a lot better. I just sucked on Altoids since they have lots of peppermint oil in them, but there are other ways to get it if you prefer (teas, oil, etc.).

Hope you feel better!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 23, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
I've been sick for a week and my face has gotten out of control with the acne so I buckled and started taking antibiotics yesterday.  At this point, I've had severe acne for most of the year and I'm at my wit's end.  This will probably trigger nausea.  I'm looking for advice on managing the nausea without the use of lots of carbs, which is what I usually do.  Help!  :(

When I had medication-induced nausea for a while, I found that peppermint made me feel a lot better. I just sucked on Altoids since they have lots of peppermint oil in them, but there are other ways to get it if you prefer (teas, oil, etc.).

Hope you feel better!

Thanks, I'll pick some up today. 

How've you been doing? 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 23, 2018, 11:02:47 AM
Is Greek yogurt with live culture helpful? Or any probiotics? I wonder if they could help with the nausea (assuming some of it is from your gut flora getting decimated by the antibiotics).

I hope you feel better soon @jane x
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 23, 2018, 11:07:59 AM
Is Greek yogurt with live culture helpful? Or any probiotics? I wonder if they could help with the nausea (assuming some of it is from your gut flora getting decimated by the antibiotics).

I hope you feel better soon @jane x

I have a strong dairy allergy, so I can't do yogurt.  I've tried probiotics in the past and I didn't notice any difference.  I'm thinking of trying some sauerkraut to see if it helps with the gut flora, but I don't think it will help much with the nausea. 
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 23, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
How've you been doing?

Better. My raging anxiety-depression thing from the weekend has largely subsided. The people who were particularly stressing me out have stopped (one calmed down, the other is away for the rest of the week). Although there may be some bad stuff with them coming next week (and I may have to politely interact with someone I very strongly dislike for very good reasons).

I was very worn out after the rough weekend, so I decided to cancel plans last night and tonight and put all my spoons in one basket so I'll have enough energy - tomorrow night I'm going out to dinner/drinks and a concert with some good (and very emotionally supportive) friends and we're going to have, I predict, a most excellent fun time. It will be good for me.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 23, 2018, 01:29:34 PM
Nausea: ginger anything (I like it whole/fresh in meals, but also as tea, etc)
Dairy-free probiotics: sauerkraut or capsules like you mentioned, plus coconut yogurt etc
Cow-free yogurts (if allergy is cow dairy vs all dairy): coconut, camel, goat, sheep, etc
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on May 23, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Yes, lacto-fermented foods have the little beasties too. Kombucha?

I forgot about ginger - there is even some data on that.  Ginger tea?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on May 24, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Yesterday after taking my morning pill I began to feel nausea and looked at my mug of coffee and realized it started when I began drinking it.  I'd only had a small bit of it but I stopped immediately and rooted around and found the last packet of peppermint tea and had that with a bit of honey and the nausea went away.  I haven't had any more nausea since then and am now thinking it might be the coffee (which I haven't had any of either.)  But just to play it safe I bought lots of mint tea and some Altoids and I've been drinking a couple of big mugs of the tea throughout the day.  I also stocked up on bland food. 

But I'm happy to report that so far so good.  Today is day 3 of the meds and I will be overjoyed if I can do the whole treatment without feeling sick. 

Thanks everyone!!!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 24, 2018, 11:48:19 AM
Oh, hurray!!!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 24, 2018, 11:48:29 AM
Excellent, jane x!! Have been thinking about you lots. Glad to hear things have taken a turn for the better and that you may have identified a culprit.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 24, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
Awesome that you realized coffee may be making it worse, Jane X!

It took me years to stop ordering coffee, because it always made me feel terrible even though I loved the taste. Nowadays I just have a latte a couple times a month as a treat -- espresso doesn't seem to hurt my tummy.

As for me, I've been sleeping poorly again. It's my neck, hurting and waking me up and making it hard to get comfortable. Last night after tossing and turning from 2-4 am, I tried a new trick with my pillows that seemed to help. Sometimes it's really hard to admit that a habit is not working and needs to be switched up!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on May 24, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
My Self-Compassion Today

I work pretty hard. Really hard. On lots of things. (I also rest a lot, relax a lot, play a lot.) But my child's newest therapy schedule has been a real curve for me. I'd essentially asked myself to add that additional hard thing, without having identified ways to compensate. I was also trying to do it environmentally and frugally -bah, too much!

Last night I was really feeling pressed to the edge of Too Much, so today I allowed myself to ::gasp:: go home for its relatively short time. All I wanted to do was be home in a morning, alone, and scrub my house. So much to ask? No.

It's wonderful :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 24, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Coffee can DEFINITELY be tough on your stomach. When I was on the meds that made me nauseous I was pretty much living on Altoids and saltine crackers. I'm not big on herbal remedies (raised by a scientist, I need double-blind controlled studies on everything ;-) ) but the mints worked like magic.

Madgeylou, I use a foam pillow that I find very comfy 99% of the time, and then the other 1% of the time it makes my head ache, and I toss and turn until I figure out that I need to swap out for my "guest pillow" which is very soft. I wonder sometimes how humans evolved to be so bad at something as basic as sleeping. If we can't sleep without a specific sort of pillow arrangement, how did we ever survive in caves? :-)

Today I'm taking care of myself by overriding the frugality in a big way and signing up for COBRA health insurance, even though it probably means I'll be $2000 out of pocket for almost zero actual benefit. Because what if I get hit by a bus tomorrow? It's just money. And this means I can start physical therapy which I was supposed to do in April (but didn't because I had no insurance).
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: boy_bye on May 24, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Madgeylou, I use a foam pillow that I find very comfy 99% of the time, and then the other 1% of the time it makes my head ache, and I toss and turn until I figure out that I need to swap out for my "guest pillow" which is very soft. I wonder sometimes how humans evolved to be so bad at something as basic as sleeping. If we can't sleep without a specific sort of pillow arrangement, how did we ever survive in caves? :-)

hahaha exactly my thoughts at 3:30 am this morning :D

Today I'm taking care of myself by overriding the frugality in a big way and signing up for COBRA health insurance, even though it probably means I'll be $2000 out of pocket for almost zero actual benefit. Because what if I get hit by a bus tomorrow? It's just money. And this means I can start physical therapy which I was supposed to do in April (but didn't because I had no insurance).

Taking care of health is, I think, more important than frugality. After all if you are in bed writhing with pain, it's hard to enjoy money! I hope the PT helps!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 24, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Today I'm taking care of myself by overriding the frugality in a big way and signing up for COBRA health insurance, even though it probably means I'll be $2000 out of pocket for almost zero actual benefit. Because what if I get hit by a bus tomorrow? It's just money. And this means I can start physical therapy which I was supposed to do in April (but didn't because I had no insurance).

Taking care of health is, I think, more important than frugality. After all if you are in bed writhing with pain, it's hard to enjoy money! I hope the PT helps!

I'm kind of mad about the whole thing, because they make you pay for the insurance retroactively. So I could have started the PT in April like I was supposed to and had it all reimbursed with the retroactive coverage. I just sent a check to pay for April and May insurance, which I never used. Blah. But I needed to sign up before the end of the month or lose access altogether.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on May 24, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Today I'm taking care of myself by overriding the frugality in a big way and signing up for COBRA health insurance, even though it probably means I'll be $2000 out of pocket for almost zero actual benefit. Because what if I get hit by a bus tomorrow? It's just money. And this means I can start physical therapy which I was supposed to do in April (but didn't because I had no insurance).

Taking care of health is, I think, more important than frugality. After all if you are in bed writhing with pain, it's hard to enjoy money! I hope the PT helps!

I'm kind of mad about the whole thing, because they make you pay for the insurance retroactively. So I could have started the PT in April like I was supposed to and had it all reimbursed with the retroactive coverage. I just sent a check to pay for April and May insurance, which I never used. Blah. But I needed to sign up before the end of the month or lose access altogether.

Crazy-making, isn't it? COBRA is a kinda sorta good thing, but it manages to feel like getting totally screwed over. Like the ACA, often.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 24, 2018, 01:27:20 PM
Crazy-making, isn't it? COBRA is a kinda sorta good thing, but it manages to feel like getting totally screwed over. Like the ACA, often.

Yeah. I mean, it's good that we have access to insurance, but it's handled so badly. And the whole concept of COBRA is frankly bizarre, but I guess it's part and parcel of the ways we have to twist our healthcare economy around to avoid single payer... "we want you to have insurance, but not enough to actually provide it, so we're making your ex-employer do it!"
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 25, 2018, 10:21:59 PM
I thought some folks here might appreciate this article from the NYT on self-compassion:

https://nyti.ms/2wYBmJX

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on May 26, 2018, 03:46:24 PM
I thought some folks here might appreciate this article from the NYT on self-compassion:

https://nyti.ms/2wYBmJX

Thanks for sharing @Dollar Slice -- I love meditation, it truly taps my brain-loops in just the right places to catch those ruminating thoughts :)

Today I went for a hike with 4 others and one friend said "why don't we try all walking together in silence for the first 20 minutes just to connect with ourselves and nature before chatting"--it was an interesting way to start the walk and pay attention to what state of mind I was bringing to the experience (had slept in, so was almost late for the meeting).

Still have another week before I am scheduled back to work, practicing self-compassion by not booking extra shifts even though I feel some internal pressure to do so. Will try to sit and enjoy this spaciousness and not count the dollars that I am not making.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: GeeVee on May 29, 2018, 05:05:29 AM
bonjours,

Long term lurker here and this is my first post ever. Miss Jane touched a nerve here with her cystic acne, stress and rosacea. I have been there ! During warm summers, I had to take 3 months of antibiotics to keep it under control. However, very silly, after fainting with an anaphylactic shock, I eventually figured out that I am sensitive to high histamine levels. We all need histamine to function, but when I eat foods which are high in histamine (like tomatoes, red food in general, shellfish/shrimps, aged cheese, wine, liquorice, spices, pickled things, in short, everything tasty), my rosacea gets triggered and goes into full blown over drive. if I push it further, I get very interesting and very large hives all over.

When I did a short elimination diet, the itching on my face stopped (bliss!) , the acne went away and my skin went quiet. My stomach also stopped acting up. If I sin too much and eat unhealthy (for me), I pay the price with a big flare-up. Stress makes it worse. This is just my experience, but I spoke to people who had the same problem and also managed to reduce the problem by eliminating food products from their diet. I am going back to lurking now..
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on May 31, 2018, 09:52:31 PM
Although there may be some bad stuff with them coming next week (and I may have to politely interact with someone I very strongly dislike for very good reasons).

Good news/bad news: I got sick and had to miss this particular event which I'd been stressing about a lot. I didn't actually know which day it would be, so it wasn't like I was secretly trying to miss it, I just got lucky. On the down side, of course, I'm sick ;-) Let myself miss two days of work and really rest, even though I won't get paid for them. I can afford it if I have to.

I've been feeling less depressed mostly, although I had a bad moment yesterday when I realized I'd dropped the ball on something for a friend. I started thinking about how self absorbed I've been lately and I felt terrible. Then of course my friend had to reassure me three times that it's NBD which made me feel like I'm making him do emotional labor on top of me dropping the ball. But other than that I'm feeling mostly OK. I think being sick was good for my mental health since I ended up having five days in a row off work (three day weekend plus two sick days).
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 13, 2018, 01:51:59 PM
I hope everyone has been doing well.  I haven't been around for a while due to some computer-related pain issues, but I'd like to come back to this thread.  It was a place full of wonderful people and genuine support and caring, and I really miss it.

Yesterday I was kinda beating myself up over a minor mistake and then I thought about this thread and it changed my perspective immediately.  I was pretty amazed at how it changed my thinking, which led to acceptance, and then to a very clear solution for fixing the situation.  Magic!

Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 13, 2018, 02:31:02 PM
Magic, indeed!

I wanted to post here some days ago, but thought I was maybe not supposed to because our 30 days might be up. LOL, as if I would get in trouble for that!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on July 13, 2018, 02:50:31 PM
Could I see your MMM license, ma'am? Are you aware that you were going forty days in a thirty day zone?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on July 13, 2018, 03:06:16 PM
Could I see your MMM license, ma'am? Are you aware that you were going forty days in a thirty day zone?

Hahaha!

She may have started then, but for some of us we have to restart frequently ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 13, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
LOL, koshtra! Nicely played :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 13, 2018, 03:30:14 PM
Maybe we should rename the thread to avoid tickets and fines!  :)

A Life of Self-Compassion?

Probably better, but not as catchy and enticing as 30 Days.  Why is that?  Because we crave a quick fix?  30 Days to a New You!  Yes, please.  :)

I went back to therapy recently to process some stuff and it's been made clear to me, again, how much I need the practice of self-compassion.  I think we all do, but for those of us who had to adapt to hostile environments in order to survive, how crucial it is. 

I have a few things that I'm working on, but it occurs to me that before I begin the "working on" part, I might want to just work on acceptance and compassion first.  One of those things is my tendency to go off into fantasy or day dreaming and mentally check out of my life and my body.  It's such an ingrained habit that half of the time I don't even notice I'm doing it.  I've been practicing noticing it and gently bringing myself back into my body and treating myself the way I would a child who is  scared or nervous, making it a positive and soothing moment.  Sometimes, if I notice that it's just out of pure habit, I will gentle but matter-of-fact, so that I can learn that it's just the natural place to be (the present moment), rather than making it a big deal.   

p.s.  - I'm almost done with my acne antibiotics and my skin looks great!  I think next week is my last week and I've been able to avoid the dreaded nausea. 

jooni - what did you want to post about?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on July 13, 2018, 03:45:27 PM
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p.s.  - I'm almost done with my acne antibiotics and my skin looks great!  I think next week is my last week and I've been able to avoid the dreaded nausea. 

That's so great! IIRC that has been a challenge for you. Why do you think you have avoided the nausea? Is ginger helping?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 13, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
I wanted to post here some days ago, but thought I was maybe not supposed to because our 30 days might be up.

I thought the same thing :-)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 13, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
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p.s.  - I'm almost done with my acne antibiotics and my skin looks great!  I think next week is my last week and I've been able to avoid the dreaded nausea. 

That's so great! IIRC that has been a challenge for you. Why do you think you have avoided the nausea? Is ginger helping?

I think it was the coffee.  I had been doing an elimination diet of sorts and was paying more attention to how foods made me feel.   I noticed the first couple of days that coffee made me feel nausea right away so I stopped it.  Eventually I was able to have it as long as it was a few hours before or after the meds.  I also relied quite heavily on the Altoid mints.  I was going to try ginger after the Altoids but never needed it.  Recently I was watching some Good Witch on Netflix and she was recommending ginger candy for nausea and it reminded me of this thread. 

I noticed that the meds did make me very sensitive to fruit, which I've noticed in the past.  I had fruit a couple of week ago and it went right through me and I also had some stomach cramps after eating it.  Maybe I should try the ginger candy just to change things up and to help me not feel deprived in having to give up fruit.  Do you know of a brand that makes it or a store I could try?  I've never seen it.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 13, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
I wanted to post here some days ago, but thought I was maybe not supposed to because our 30 days might be up.

I thought the same thing :-)

You guys are so conscientious.  I say we post whenever we feel like it! :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 13, 2018, 04:02:45 PM
Fab about the skin changes that help you feel happier, jane x! Totally understand that :)

I have no idea what I wanted to post about the other day. But today I can say: The other day I went into a new space, with new people, who were doing new-to-me things. I was considered newly competent enough to be there. I felt so intimidated. I was near tears. I wanted to bolt. Instead, I told the other people I felt intimitated (naming it to good people always helps me), and to myself practiced breathing and telling myself kind messages -using my childhood nickname. “It’s okay. You can be here. You don’t have to do a lot, you don’t have to do more than you feel able. You really wanted to be part of this. I know you feel intimidated and scared. Hang in there. All you need to do is stay and breathe, anything else you manage is gravy, baby.”

I had one of the best times of my life.

I love Gin Gins ginger candies. I don’t love the “chewy” ones. I adore the softer ones -maybe they’re the ones called crystallized ginger candy?- and their nonbrand equivalent in any store.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on July 13, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
I’ve seen crystallized ginger in stores - actual ginger root preserved with sugar.  You were doing keto/paleo/low carb IIRC - I’m not sure you’d want this much sugar. I think there is also ginger tea.  You can likely make this with fresh ginger root and hot water. It would be a great iced tea.

Trader Joe’s likely has something.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 13, 2018, 05:07:05 PM
I was doing low-carb but took a hiatus to take care of the skin issue.  Didn't want to over stress.  But I'm still keeping an eye on sugar consumption.  I'll look for these candies that you guys have mentioned and I might make some iced tea as well.  I can get ginger root easily.  Thanks, guys!

jooni - yay for you!  How awesome that you were able to, a) show up even though you were scared, b) sit with your discomfort, c) share your fear with others, d) practice self-soothing, e) practice loving-kindness with your self, f) leave yourself open enough to have fun once your fears subsided, and so much more.  Wow.  You're amazing.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 17, 2018, 12:00:56 AM
I've been doing absolutely terribly at self-compassion and taking care of myself in general. I never did get back into PT and every day I keep telling myself I'll make the appointment first thing tomorrow. I also want to make an appointment with a neurologist for my chronic migraines (I've had them for years and never saw a specialist) and maybe a therapist for the anxiety/low self-esteem issues I've been struggling with. I lost my job recently (they wanted to transfer me to an office 3000 miles away) and it's really been an emotional blow to me, I think because of the awful way the company/my colleagues handled it. I'm trying to take some time for myself and have a long staycation instead of immediately starting in with deciding what to do with the rest of my life.

I've gotten into this bizarre vicious cycle where if I think about my anxiety problems it makes me anxious (instant physical symptoms, tightness of chest etc) and if I think about being sad/hurt (like remembering that I cried yesterday) I immediately get a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes. As though I'm sad that I'm sad and anxious about anxiety, instead of being affected by major life events. No idea how to calm myself down...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 17, 2018, 12:11:51 AM
Hurting for you, DS :(

One trick my self-compassion teacher taught me was to hold an ice cube! A big sensory input like that can indeed quell a big emotional peak.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 17, 2018, 12:13:54 AM
jooni - yay for you!  How awesome that you were able to, a) show up even though you were scared, b) sit with your discomfort, c) share your fear with others, d) practice self-soothing, e) practice loving-kindness with your self, f) leave yourself open enough to have fun once your fears subsided, and so much more.  Wow.  You're amazing.

jane x, thank you very much for celebrating this with me :)    I had been thinking about your kind words off and on since you posted, but couldn't remember where the thread was and was too floaty to go looking.

I try to practice a LOT of bravery...so I need to practice a LOT of self-compassion!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on July 17, 2018, 06:49:00 AM
I've been doing absolutely terribly at self-compassion and taking care of myself in general. I never did get back into PT and every day I keep telling myself I'll make the appointment first thing tomorrow. I also want to make an appointment with a neurologist for my chronic migraines (I've had them for years and never saw a specialist) and maybe a therapist for the anxiety/low self-esteem issues I've been struggling with. I lost my job recently (they wanted to transfer me to an office 3000 miles away) and it's really been an emotional blow to me, I think because of the awful way the company/my colleagues handled it. I'm trying to take some time for myself and have a long staycation instead of immediately starting in with deciding what to do with the rest of my life.

I've gotten into this bizarre vicious cycle where if I think about my anxiety problems it makes me anxious (instant physical symptoms, tightness of chest etc) and if I think about being sad/hurt (like remembering that I cried yesterday) I immediately get a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes. As though I'm sad that I'm sad and anxious about anxiety, instead of being affected by major life events. No idea how to calm myself down...

This is all still very raw and new. Being some9ne who always tries to control my emotions and feelings, I often end up reacting (erupting) apparently in response to a much smaller issue, but it’s the pent up emotions about the real thing that are coming out (I think, i’m Not an expert).  Sometimes it’s just overall accumulated general stress for me.  I can’t avoid or suppress my feelings forever, as hard as I try.

But, breathing exercises do help me. And just accepting that i’m Just going to have to feel some unpleasant feelings to release some of the stress. I think what you are experiencing is completely normal. And I think you are doing great.  You don’t have to jump immediately into doing any specific thing. But it gets tricky to also not let things languish too long.

How can we help you make those appointments? I do think they are important for your short term and long term health.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: wildbeast on July 17, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
Hugs, Dollar Slice.  I'm so sorry that you're hurting.  I think therapy would be a good way to work through some of the anxiety, loss and low self-esteem that are coming up as a result of what you're going through.  It's totally understandable that these things would come up.  I think processing it would help a great deal.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on July 18, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
Oh,  self-compassion crew! I hope you are all finding sweet, summery ways to take care of your dear selves.

I had a strong re-occurence of back pain that scared me the other day (after experiencing a reduction in this particular pain after 6 years of chronic issues).

Since I'd recently been reading pain science literature (a point of interest for professional and personal reasons), I took it upon myself to try a gentle tactic they mentioned.
I visualized a healthy , calm brain then after an "all-fired-up-with-pain-sensation" brain..then I visualized gently massaging my brain so that it could relax and become a closer version to the healthy, pain-free brain.
It came in waves and it wasn't easy--but after about 20-25 minutes my pain was mostly eliminated.
It surprised me that it actually was effective but there you have it. Will have to try it again if the pain reappears.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Serendip on July 18, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
@Dollar Slice  I hope you have found a few ways to work with these issues that work for you/feel comforting!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 18, 2018, 10:57:04 PM
@Dollar Slice  I hope you have found a few ways to work with these issues that work for you/feel comforting!

Thanks. I feel like I've accomplished exactly nothing this week. Current plan is to go out of town for a couple-few days (running home to Mom and Dad 'cause I'm always welcome there, at least). Next week I have fun things planned every evening and no plans for the daytime. Hoping to start doing some healthy, productive things like making those appointments and cleaning the apartment and going to the gym and cooking healthy food and stuff. I think I don't know where to start, so I keep going back to bed instead.

I keep putting things off thinking next week will be better... and it's bound to be actually better one of these weeks, right? Probably?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 18, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Probably! Because you've just experienced one of life's shittiest things. Unless you take up heavy drinking or meth to cope, then yes, things are very likely to get better as the weeks pass :)

But, +1 to recommendations for therapy. I don't know how people manage without it. I don't!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 18, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
The really dumb thing is that I think my phone-related social anxiety is a big part of the appointments problem... (but I also haven't looked up doctors and found one to call so I can't just foist it on someone else)

Probably! Because you've just experienced one of life's shittiest things. Unless you take up heavy drinking or meth to cope, then yes, things are very likely to get better as the weeks pass :)

It's funny, in one of the many hours of lazing around I've done this week, I suddenly had the thought that if someone gave me some fun party drugs to try I'd probably take it. Which is really weird, since I've never had any interest in that kind of thing. But I guess there is something way down in the human psyche that thinks drugs are a good way to cope? Luckily, I haven't been offered fun party drugs in about 20 years so it's unlikely to come up ;-)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 18, 2018, 11:18:44 PM
Dear Forum Members,

Please not on offering the party drugs on Dollar Slice in the next four weeks.

Thank you,
Therapy Hog
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 18, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
I think you should be worrying more about my musician friends who might want to cheer me up... ;-)  At least my asthma will keep me safe from the stoners.

Thank you,
Therapy Hog

Is the Therapy Hog some sort of mascot? Or like an emotional support dog? I'm picturing a little pink pig that you cuddle while you're in therapy...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 18, 2018, 11:57:51 PM
Maybe I am YOUR fuzzy pink pig mascot! You can cuddle me while you make the call for your first appt...

That or sit under a tree next to some water. This week, I managed to make my second and third of three recent, rare phone calls this way!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: G-dog on July 19, 2018, 06:46:41 AM
@Dollar Slice - I hate using the phone too, though I wouldn’t say it’s a phobia, or an anxiety issue. Just pure hatred. I go online and try to find a way to schedule an appointment online / via email. It’s not always an option though.  I procrastinate so long when anything involves a simple damn phone call.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on July 19, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
^ Yep. My first of three this week (!!) took me six months to work up to.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: koshtra on July 19, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
Oh,  self-compassion crew! I hope you are all finding sweet, summery ways to take care of your dear selves.

I had a strong re-occurence of back pain that scared me the other day (after experiencing a reduction in this particular pain after 6 years of chronic issues).

Since I'd recently been reading pain science literature (a point of interest for professional and personal reasons), I took it upon myself to try a gentle tactic they mentioned.
I visualized a healthy , calm brain then after an "all-fired-up-with-pain-sensation" brain..then I visualized gently massaging my brain so that it could relax and become a closer version to the healthy, pain-free brain.
It came in waves and it wasn't easy--but after about 20-25 minutes my pain was mostly eliminated.
It surprised me that it actually was effective but there you have it. Will have to try it again if the pain reappears.

Yay science! Pain science is really exciting these days.

I had all kinds of back trouble in my 30s and 40s. I'd have to miss work for days, sometimes. Flat on my back, having to crawl to get to the bathroom... all that. Gone now, and I'm lifting weights and lugging my massage table to outcalls all the time, at age 60. If you look at the incidence of back pain by age it actually declines from a peak in the mid-30s, keeps declining through the 40s and 50s and 60s, and sees only a modest upturn after that. Totally not the curve most people imagine.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Self-Compassion
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 23, 2018, 05:00:00 PM
Haven't managed to complete any phone calls yet, but did make some progress! Found a therapist and some migraine specialists that look promising and take my insurance. And I talked to (OK, online chatted with) my insurance company to make sure I have coverage/don't need referrals/etc. I feel so incredibly weird and out of place making an appointment with a therapist :-/  I can't figure out why I would have such a negative attitude about it, I can remember one particular comment from childhood that sort of soured me on it but you would think an entire adulthood of people talking positively about therapy (including the family member who made that negative childhood comment) would overcome that.

Mondays seem to be bad days for me lately. In bed all day with a migraine, feeling a bit better now but my back is killing me from being in bed all day so I don't want to go out to the thing I was planning (because they have very uncomfortable chairs there). Maybe I will get dressed and find some errands to run just to get me out of the house and feeling like I got something done.