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Stimulus - Nix Dependent Care FSA?
« on: March 15, 2021, 12:01:11 PM »
Hi everyone! I’m hoping smart forum folks can help with a question:

We just had a baby and can change benefits as a result. My sleep-deprived reading of the American Rescue Plan Act says it would be better for us to kill the Dependent Care FSA for the rest of 2021 and go for the credit instead.  Is that right?

We should have an agi barely under $150k in 2021. We’re in the 22% bracket, and will have around $12k of child care expenses for the year for 2 kids.

Credit - up to $16k (so 12k) with a 50% refundable credit (or slightly less if we fail to hit the $150k mark)?
FSA - up to $5k (or 10.5k if my employer expands to match the higher limit) with a 22% deduction

Also, can we use the credit for the amount we pay beyond the $5000 (or less) FSA?

Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 12:26:11 PM »
I am in a similar situation, but with one kid, and will need to make a decision if my employer actually lets us change our deferrals in light of the new relief bill.

The way I do your math:
Credit (phase out after 125K AGI at 150k AGI should put you around 38% credit): (0.38) (12,000) = $4560
dependent care FSA (including state tax and FICA tax) = [(.22 + .0765 + state tax?) * (10,500)] + [(12,000-10500) * (0.38)] = at least 3683.25, if state tax = 0.
Conclusion: Tax credit is better for you


The way I do my math
Credit: (0.38) (8,000) = 3040
dependent care FSA = (.22 + .0765 + .054) * (10500) = 3680.25
Conclusion: FSA is better for me


I would love it if anyone else would check my math.

Edit: There may be some consideration if you want to keep your AGI under 150K for future or previously missed stimulus money, the FSA is a way to reduce your AGI, and if you spike your FSA, you would be adding on that 5,000 to your AGI.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2021, 12:45:48 PM by EvenSteven »

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2021, 05:53:24 AM »
I am in the process of trying to change my contributions as well, but our HR department says they are still looking into the specifics of the bill.

If I have already contributed $1,000 to the FSA, but then stop contributions, I assume I can still use $7,000 of the $8,000 toward the credit? 

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2021, 08:25:08 AM »
Does anyone have a link to the exact details? I’ve been having a hard time understanding the options.

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2021, 10:06:31 AM »
Thank you! I was definitely forgetting about FICA and state tax (CO, so 4.55% in 2021). I was also missing that phase outs start at $125k. Looks like the credit still comes out ahead for my situation.

Yeah, I was also having a tough time finding the actual language. Here’s a link to the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/text#toc-H163A596A7E954C09A3853AA9C47DBF19

And here’s a link to a CRS report which is where I’m now taking my information from:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46680


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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2021, 10:39:21 AM »
Wow, I'm glad someone posted about this, I hadn't even seen this change in the bill.  I'm still unsure about the math for my situation, mostly because I have no idea if my company will expand the max.  Thanks for posting examples so I can come back and figure it out once I have more info!

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2021, 08:25:48 AM »
I'm going to read those links but is there a TLDR, are the new tax credits getting taken away if you use an FSA? You can't do both?

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2021, 08:31:16 AM »
I'm going to read those links but is there a TLDR, are the new tax credits getting taken away if you use an FSA? You can't do both?

Yes, I am confused too and haven't read up on this. Am pressed for time today but would definitely like some help here.

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2021, 08:45:28 AM »
I'm going to read those links but is there a TLDR, are the new tax credits getting taken away if you use an FSA? You can't do both?

Yes, I am confused too and haven't read up on this. Am pressed for time today but would definitely like some help here.

I skimmed the entire 32 page report and I don't see anything that seems to imply an either or relating to the CTC and the Dependend FSA.   The CDCTC (Child and Dependent Childcare Tax Credit) seems to be what is being asked about in the OP. 

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44993.pdf/

According to that document you can claim both the CDCTC and use a Dependent Care FSA, but you cannot count out of pocket expenses on both, so if you spend $10,500 (2021's new cap for the FSA) on childcare and spend $4500 more in the year you can only apply the CDCTC to the $4500 remaining. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2021, 09:22:27 AM »
Dependent care tax credit for 2021 tax year:

1) You can claim up to $8000 of expenses if you have 1 dependent, and up to $16,000 if you have more than 1.

2) The credit is for 50% of the claimed expenses for those with AGI of $125,000 or lower. The credit starts to phase out at a rate of 1% for every $2,000 over 125K.


Dependent care FSA for 2021 tax year:

1) Can contribute up to $10,500, if your the provider your employer uses allows it.

2) The contribution amount lowers your AGI and comes out of your paycheck, so you will be saving Federal, State, and FICA taxes at your marginal rate.

3) If you have expenses above the contribution amount of the FSA, you can claim the tax credit. So if you have 2 dependents, and 16,000 in expenses, you could use the FSA for the first $10,500 of expenses, then claim $5,500 of expenses for the tax credit.


https://www.kitces.com/blog/the-american-rescue-plan-act-of-2021-tax-credits-stimulus-checks-and-more-that-advisors-need-to-know/

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2021, 09:28:39 AM »
Credit (phase out after 125K AGI at 150k AGI should put you around 38% credit): (0.38) (12,000) = $4560

I thought the qualifying expenses were limited to $6000 for the credit and $5000 for the FSA.  Has this changed since 2020?

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2021, 09:35:35 AM »
Credit (phase out after 125K AGI at 150k AGI should put you around 38% credit): (0.38) (12,000) = $4560

I thought the qualifying expenses were limited to $6000 for the credit and $5000 for the FSA.  Has this changed since 2020?

Yes, the new bill (American Rescue Plan Act of 2021) changes these limits for the 2021 tax year. They also increase the amount of the credit up to 50% of expenses, and starts the phase out later.

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2021, 09:39:19 AM »
Credit (phase out after 125K AGI at 150k AGI should put you around 38% credit): (0.38) (12,000) = $4560

I thought the qualifying expenses were limited to $6000 for the credit and $5000 for the FSA.  Has this changed since 2020?

Yes, the new bill (American Rescue Plan Act of 2021) changes these limits for the 2021 tax year. They also increase the amount of the credit up to 50% of expenses, and starts the phase out later.
According to Wikipedia, the limit is now $8000.  So the math above is wrong if 38% is being applied to $12000.  I didn't see any changes to the FSA limit, so presumably this would still be limited to $5000?  In which case, that math is wrong too.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2021, 09:45:20 AM »
Credit (phase out after 125K AGI at 150k AGI should put you around 38% credit): (0.38) (12,000) = $4560

I thought the qualifying expenses were limited to $6000 for the credit and $5000 for the FSA.  Has this changed since 2020?

Yes, the new bill (American Rescue Plan Act of 2021) changes these limits for the 2021 tax year. They also increase the amount of the credit up to 50% of expenses, and starts the phase out later.
According to Wikipedia, the limit is now $8000.  So the math above is wrong if 38% is being applied to $12000.  I didn't see any changes to the FSA limit, so presumably this would still be limited to $5000?  In which case, that math is wrong too.

For the dependent care tax credit: 8000 for 1 dependent, and 16000 for more than 1.

The dependent care FSA limit was increased to 10,500, but whether or not you are allowed to change your contributions will depend on your FSA provider.

Here is a helpful summary: https://www.kitces.com/blog/the-american-rescue-plan-act-of-2021-tax-credits-stimulus-checks-and-more-that-advisors-need-to-know/

Edit: From the house bill sections 9631 and 9632

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22HR+1319%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=1#toc-H3DF9D268E2F441EE878C4EE4AA64D2FD
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Re: Stimulus - Nix Dependent Care FSA?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2021, 10:24:15 AM »
My employer just told me I can change my contribution to the FSA for the rest of the year.

I am going to drop it down to about $1.60 per paycheck because they require a contribution on each paycheck to receive their $500 annual match.  This will make my total contribution amount $900, and their $500 match makes $1400 total into the FSA.  I assume I can then use the remainder of the $8000 credit toward one child?

We have two kids and AGI under $125k, so I think I should end up getting:

Kid 1: (8000-1400)*.5= $3300
Kid 2: 8000*.5= $4000

Plus the $500 employer match and about $225 reduced taxes from my $900 of FSA contributions.  So a total of $8425 reduced from our daycare cost.

If anyone sees a glaring error with the FSA and tax credit combo for Kid 1, please let me know.  I am supposed to submit my forms to HR today.

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2021, 10:36:08 AM »
My employer just told me I can change my contribution to the FSA for the rest of the year.

I am going to drop it down to about $1.60 per paycheck because they require a contribution on each paycheck to receive their $500 annual match.  This will make my total contribution amount $900, and their $500 match makes $1400 total into the FSA.  I assume I can then use the remainder of the $8000 credit toward one child?

We have two kids and AGI under $125k, so I think I should end up getting:

Kid 1: (8000-1400)*.5= $3300
Kid 2: 8000*.5= $4000

Plus the $500 employer match and about $225 reduced taxes from my $900 of FSA contributions.  So a total of $8425 reduced from our daycare cost.

If anyone sees a glaring error with the FSA and tax credit combo for Kid 1, please let me know.  I am supposed to submit my forms to HR today.

That looks right to me, as long as you have 16K of childcare expenses this year.

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2021, 11:06:09 AM »

That looks right to me, as long as you have 16K of childcare expenses this year.

Thanks for the confirmation.  Fortunately or unfortunately, we have about $34,000 in childcare expenses this year.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2021, 05:58:27 AM by kpd905 »

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2021, 12:49:51 PM »
Can someone confirm my math looks correct for this credit. My employer signs us up for benefits in June each year so I signed up for the max $5000 dependant care FSA in 2020. $2500 of that occurs in 2021.

$10,000 in daycare costs for 2021. 12%  tax bracket. AGI $62,000

$2500 of expenses from last years DC FSA- ($2500*19.65%)= $491.25
7500 of expenses left unused if I do not take the dependent care FSA for 2021- ($7500*50%)= $3750
Total= $4241.25

If I opt for the new dependent care FSA in July it will look like this:
$2500 of expenses from last years DC FSA- ($2500*19.65%)= $491.25
Elect for new dependent care FSA- $10,000 ($5,000 in 2021, $5000 in 2022) I'm  not sure how HR of my company will structure this but this is how its been done in the past.
($5000*19.65)= $982.50+$491.25= $1473.75

2022
($5000*19.65)= $982.5

Total= $2456.25

The dependent care credit looks like the better option unless all this math is wrong.


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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2021, 03:35:51 PM »
Can someone confirm my math looks correct for this credit. My employer signs us up for benefits in June each year so I signed up for the max $5000 dependant care FSA in 2020. $2500 of that occurs in 2021.

$10,000 in daycare costs for 2021. 12%  tax bracket. AGI $62,000

$2500 of expenses from last years DC FSA- ($2500*19.65%)= $491.25
7500 of expenses left unused if I do not take the dependent care FSA for 2021- ($7500*50%)= $3750
Total= $4241.25

This part looks correct if you have more than 1 qualifying dependent.

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If I opt for the new dependent care FSA in July it will look like this:
$2500 of expenses from last years DC FSA- ($2500*19.65%)= $491.25
Elect for new dependent care FSA- $10,000 ($5,000 in 2021, $5000 in 2022) I'm  not sure how HR of my company will structure this but this is how its been done in the past.
($5000*19.65)= $982.50+$491.25= $1473.75

2022
($5000*19.65)= $982.5

Total= $2456.25

The dependent care credit looks like the better option unless all this math is wrong.

The way you or your company is breaking this up over multiple years is super confusing to me. It looks like they will only allow you to contribute a maximum of $7,500 for tax year 2021? If that is the case then you could claim an additional 2,500 of expenses at 50% credit to that for tax year 2021, as long as you have more than 1 qualifying dependent.

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2021, 11:03:20 AM »
Came to post about this and saw this thread. I was planning to change my FSA contribution to max at the new $10500 limit but then did the math and I think the tax credit is better.

2 kids - ~$13000 of expenses
AGI will be ~140k

So FSA benefit is 22% fed, 7.65% SS, 4.55% state = 34.2%
vs
Tax credit of 42% at 141k AGI (reduced from 50% at 1% per 2k over 125k).

AGI would need to rise to 157k to equal the 34% benefit from the FSA.

Am I thinking of this correctly?

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2021, 11:57:33 AM »
Came to post about this and saw this thread. I was planning to change my FSA contribution to max at the new $10500 limit but then did the math and I think the tax credit is better.

2 kids - ~$13000 of expenses
AGI will be ~140k

So FSA benefit is 22% fed, 7.65% SS, 4.55% state = 34.2%
vs
Tax credit of 42% at 141k AGI (reduced from 50% at 1% per 2k over 125k).

AGI would need to rise to 157k to equal the 34% benefit from the FSA.

Am I thinking of this correctly?

Pretty much, yes. Note that the tax credit has little cliffs in it every $2,000, and your FSA will lower your AGI. If you have the ability to predict things pretty exactly, and you're close to one of those lines where the credit changes by 1%, it's worth $130 of extra child care tax credits for you to make a token FSA/HSA/401(k) contribution as needed to ensure your AGI is $140,999 instead of $141,001.

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2021, 01:47:58 PM »
Ya I realized that in my later calculations. When I do contribute the full amount to the FSA it lowers my AGI and the remaining tax credit goes to ~46% from ~42%. But of course there is only a few thousand left that qualifies for the credit. Thanks for the tip about the 'cliffs'. I'll see what I can do.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2021, 09:31:11 PM »
Am I reading this correctly that if I have 1 child and over $18,500 in eligible childcare costs, I can max the $10,500 FSA and take full advantage of the $8,000 credit? It's not an either or situation?

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2021, 08:52:32 AM »
Am I reading this correctly that if I have 1 child and over $18,500 in eligible childcare costs, I can max the $10,500 FSA and take full advantage of the $8,000 credit? It's not an either or situation?

If only we could be so lucky! You have to pick one or the other. If you put in 10,500 to the FSA you cannot claim anything for the credit.

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2021, 08:50:48 AM »
Ok, I need a math confirmation as well.

We're at ~$150k AGI.  I've contributed $1874 to my dependent care FSA this year, for 2 kids.  We've got about $12,577 in daycare expenses for the year total.  So for 2 kids, we're eligible for tax credits on $16,000 of expenses at ~36%, which more than covers our daycare costs. 

(12577-1874)*0.36 = $3,853 in tax credit if I stop contributing to my DCFSA right now? 

Our company hasn't confirmed an increase in our DCFSA contribution limit yet, which I feel like means they won't do it, and therefore I'm coming out ahead with the tax credit regardless.  I just want to double check my math for future years, if DCFSA contribution limits and tax credits both remain increased.

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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2021, 10:55:03 AM »
I might be figuring this wrong but my calculations are the following:

For FSA it is simple income*tax rate = savings. So for 10k at a total tax rate of 34%(22 fed 7 FICA 4 Colorado) it is $3400

For the credit you have to factor in pretax income. For example to get to 10k post tax for the %50 credit ($5k) it's more like $15000 pre tax dollars (10k/(1-0.34)). So now we have some basis for a true comparison between taxed amount and tax credit.

I chose 34% because it's basically a wash. You pay ~$5k in taxes and get ~$5k in credits. But the formula is
(Tax rate) / ((1-tax rate)*(tax credit rate)).

If the tax rate is below 33% the math favors the tax credit at 50%. If the tax rate is above 33% the math favors the FSA. You need to plug in your own numbers and credit rate though.

So for your example chasakavitch it gets a little complicated with cutoffs in the phase out range but this should give you an idea of where to run. I know I've seen spreadsheets somewhere with all scenarios and calcs etc so I'll try to find it for you.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2021, 12:15:15 PM »
@JJsfr I hadn't considered the extra taxes on the income, or the decreased % of credit, thanks.

I did the math in Google Sheets just now, and for this year, if our AGI is similar to last year's, I'll come out ~$700 ahead with the child care tax credit vs continuing on with the $10,500 DCFSA, and almost $2k ahead if my work never increases the DCFSA limit, even with the extra taxes to be paid and the reduced credit % due to our increased income.

However, if our income goes up by more than $3500, I'll lose money, haha. 

If HR never increases the DCFSA limit, obviously the tax credit is worth it, but whew, that's a close calculation right now. 

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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2021, 01:31:16 PM »
@JJsfr I hadn't considered the extra taxes on the income, or the decreased % of credit, thanks.

I did the math in Google Sheets just now, and for this year, if our AGI is similar to last year's, I'll come out ~$700 ahead with the child care tax credit vs continuing on with the $10,500 DCFSA, and almost $2k ahead if my work never increases the DCFSA limit, even with the extra taxes to be paid and the reduced credit % due to our increased income.

However, if our income goes up by more than $3500, I'll lose money, haha. 

If HR never increases the DCFSA limit, obviously the tax credit is worth it, but whew, that's a close calculation right now.

I still think in your scenario the FSA comes out ahead given the credit rate reduction. Assuming you're in CO the tax rate is still 34% with AGI of 150k.

Again to get to $10k post tax to pay daycare you'll still be paying $5k in taxes, and when you fill out the credit work sheet for that $10k you'll get only $3600 in tax credits. You're down $1400 in this scenario.

Even if you think I'm only saving $3400 if I do $10k in the FSA, it's still $10k pre tax and not $15k pre tax, which is required in the example scenario using what I assume are your tax rates. If you were able to do the full $15k into a pre tax FSA (which we know we can't), for the sake of explanation the FSA would now save you $5k in taxes, which is better savings than the tax credit at 36% ($3600) for the same amount of pre tax dollars.

This is why the dollar amount doesn't really matter but the proportion between your tax rate and the credit rate does.

Also, on the total amount note, just because you contribute the $10k ($10,500) to the FSA, doesn't mean you can't claim the credit on the remaining $16,000-$10,500 =$5,500 so you'd still get the credit for all your spending up to that $16k limit, now potentially at a higher credit rate after reducing your AGI by contributing to the FSA, on that remaining $5,500.

Again I may be confused or deluded :) I have been working on my understanding of this for a few weeks now and this is what I've settled on for myself. Our scenario is a bit different. We are in CO but our marginal tax bracket will likely be 12% dropping total tax rate to 24% and favors tax credit over FSA. However, our daycare rates are based on total income, so any reduction in AGI reduces tuition cost but not quite to the same amount as the tax credit would have it if we stopped FSA contributions. However, depending on how well DWs self employment goes, we could either break even and save some $ by having it if she makes more than projected to bump us up (and still reduce tuition), or if she makes less than projected drop to a low enough MAGI for trad contributions with the help from the FSA.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2021, 02:43:32 PM »
Ah.  I forgot state and FICA in my stupid spreadsheet.  I was also using our actual tax rate, which comes out to about 16% of taxable income after deductions.  I don't completely understand how taxable income differs for state vs federal taxes.

If I assume my taxable income is what's taxed at state and FICA rates, I come out ahead if my company doesn't increase our DCFSA limit, but behind if they do, by about $1k either direction.  Maybe.  I'm going to email HR and stare at my spreadsheet to see if I did it super wrong. 

@JJsfr Your situation also sounds complicated.  Are all situations complicated?  I'm not complaining about how much money we make, but I wish there was maybe a spreadsheet or a sliding scale or something to tell those of us who care which way is better.  I'm irritated that there's such a large grey area.

@Even Steven , looking at your comment above about how we can't double dip - I know you can't fill up your dependent care FSA and then use the child care tax credit, but is there a cutoff for that?  What if I do fill up my FSA to $5k, assuming my company doesn't raise our contribution limit.  Can I then take the credit for the rest of my daycare expenses up to $16k?  Does it reduce the amount of credit you can take proportionally somehow? 

I realize I'm almost certainly taking up way too much of my brain space to figure this out, but now I just want to know!

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2021, 02:57:32 PM »
My example was to show that it's not always cut and dry with one component of the tax code.

Regarding actual tax rate I don't think that's the value you want to be using. You need two things, a) your AGI and b) your highest marginal tax rate. You can calculate your a) AGI using the case study spreadsheet in cell G11, as well as the taxable income in M7. Then, lookup the marginal tax bracket that falls in. My guess is it's somewhere between the values in Q16 ($81,050) and Q17. That is your marginal bracket. Subtracting M7 from Q16 tells you how much federal income is taxed at 22%. So your effective tax rate for this money if you choose to not put it in an FSA is 22%+FICA+state.

If it were me, anything above $81,050 I'd put in an FSA for daycare and the rest no, wait for the tax credit.

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Re: Stimulus - Nix Dependent Care FSA?
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2021, 07:44:59 AM »
Ah.  I forgot state and FICA in my stupid spreadsheet.  I was also using our actual tax rate, which comes out to about 16% of taxable income after deductions.  I don't completely understand how taxable income differs for state vs federal taxes.

If I assume my taxable income is what's taxed at state and FICA rates, I come out ahead if my company doesn't increase our DCFSA limit, but behind if they do, by about $1k either direction.  Maybe.  I'm going to email HR and stare at my spreadsheet to see if I did it super wrong. 

@JJsfr Your situation also sounds complicated.  Are all situations complicated?  I'm not complaining about how much money we make, but I wish there was maybe a spreadsheet or a sliding scale or something to tell those of us who care which way is better.  I'm irritated that there's such a large grey area.

@Even Steven , looking at your comment above about how we can't double dip - I know you can't fill up your dependent care FSA and then use the child care tax credit, but is there a cutoff for that?  What if I do fill up my FSA to $5k, assuming my company doesn't raise our contribution limit.  Can I then take the credit for the rest of my daycare expenses up to $16k?  Does it reduce the amount of credit you can take proportionally somehow? 

I realize I'm almost certainly taking up way too much of my brain space to figure this out, but now I just want to know!

I think you got it right in the example you used above. If you have 2 dependents the maximum amount of childcare you can claim a credit for is 16,000. If you contribute $1874 to a dcFSA, and have $12,577 of expenses, then you can claim a credit on (12577-1874)= $10703

Same if you contribute $5,000, it would be (12577-5000)= $7577 that you could get a credit on for the dependent care tax credit.