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Question about W4 worksheet
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:54:39 PM »
I'm going to be getting a semi-large refund for 2017 =/  I'm going to adjust my W-4 allowance so I try breaking as even as possible. My federal/state allowance is currently set to 1. I used the TurboTax W4 calculator: https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/calculators/w4/
and based on my current situation I will need to have 5 allowances to break about even for federal taxes.

As I'm going through the W4 worksheet I see that the only lines that apply to me are A and B for "1". Can I still claim a total of five allowances on line 5 even if my totals for A-H is only 2?

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 11:46:58 AM »
As far as I know, you can put anything you want.  Outright fraud might be a problem.

Someone more knowledgeable may chime in with more / better details.

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 11:56:56 AM »
Can I still claim a total of five allowances on line 5 even if my totals for A-H is only 2?
Yes.

Your responsibility is to have the correct (within the safe harbor rules) amount withheld.  You may use whatever W-4 entries needed to do so.

You could also check withholding calculations in the case study spreadsheet. If that also suggests 5 allowances, there is an even better chance you have the correct number.

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 07:44:03 PM »
Can I still claim a total of five allowances on line 5 even if my totals for A-H is only 2?
Yes.

Your responsibility is to have the correct (within the safe harbor rules) amount withheld.  You may use whatever W-4 entries needed to do so.

You could also check withholding calculations in the case study spreadsheet. If that also suggests 5 allowances, there is an even better chance you have the correct number.

Thanks for the spreadsheet. Interestingly, the spreadsheet suggests 3 allowances to break about even ($160 refund) vs. the W4 Turbo calculator suggesting 5 allowances to receive a $165 refund. Has anyone done a comparison between these two calculators for their situation? I'm thinking I should play it safe and use 3. Worse case scenario I'll receive a little bit more of a refund.

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 08:01:57 PM »
Can I still claim a total of five allowances on line 5 even if my totals for A-H is only 2?
Yes.

Your responsibility is to have the correct (within the safe harbor rules) amount withheld.  You may use whatever W-4 entries needed to do so.

You could also check withholding calculations in the case study spreadsheet. If that also suggests 5 allowances, there is an even better chance you have the correct number.

Thanks for the spreadsheet. Interestingly, the spreadsheet suggests 3 allowances to break about even ($160 refund) vs. the W4 Turbo calculator suggesting 5 allowances to receive a $165 refund. Has anyone done a comparison between these two calculators for their situation? I'm thinking I should play it safe and use 3. Worse case scenario I'll receive a little bit more of a refund.
How do the two parts (1. Tax due; 2. Amount withheld) compare in each tool?

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 08:50:00 PM »
Can I still claim a total of five allowances on line 5 even if my totals for A-H is only 2?
Yes.

Your responsibility is to have the correct (within the safe harbor rules) amount withheld.  You may use whatever W-4 entries needed to do so.

You could also check withholding calculations in the case study spreadsheet. If that also suggests 5 allowances, there is an even better chance you have the correct number.

Thanks for the spreadsheet. Interestingly, the spreadsheet suggests 3 allowances to break about even ($160 refund) vs. the W4 Turbo calculator suggesting 5 allowances to receive a $165 refund. Has anyone done a comparison between these two calculators for their situation? I'm thinking I should play it safe and use 3. Worse case scenario I'll receive a little bit more of a refund.
How do the two parts (1. Tax due; 2. Amount withheld) compare in each tool?

The TurboTax W4 calculator doesn't break down the numbers. It just spits out the estimated refund and a slider to adjust the allowances (see attached image). The other tool TaxCaster does show me tax due/withheld but only for 2017 at the moment. It does give me the same estimated 2018 tax refund amount as the W4 calculator.

Spreadsheet tax due = 3038 ; withheld = 4196

With my current '1' allowances, here is the refund differences from the tools: $2315 vs $1158


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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 07:47:23 AM »
has their calculator been updated for the new tax law? I believe the case study has.

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Re: Question about W4 worksheet
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2018, 10:22:22 PM »
has their calculator been updated for the new tax law? I believe the case study has.

Yes. Using the TaxCaster will give one the 2018 estimated refund amount based on the new tax reform. This amount matches the W4 calculator.