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Expat FI Guy

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Money stuck in “risky” funds
« on: August 19, 2018, 05:03:47 PM »
Long time reader, first time commenter…

I started investing heavily before I discovered MMM or Vanguard. I currently hold the bulk of my net worth in more “risky” tech and bio mutual funds at Fidelity and T Rowe Price. After reading The Simple Path to Wealth I would like to move these assets into a more diversified fund such as VTSAX. I realize that most FIRE calcs and projections use a portfolio that mimics the diversity of the S&P 500 or total market index so I would like my portfolio to match this.

What this the most efficient way to move these over? I am in a high tax bracket so I would not be ideal to rebalance right now. However, I also don’t want to wait until I am retired as I think being so exposed to these industries may be more risk than I am willing to take.

I think I will start by turning off automatic reinvestment of dividends and moving that money to Vanguard. Not sure how I am going to tackle the large sums in the mutual funds though? Is there a way to shift this money and minimize the tax burden that I am overlooking? Thanks in advance     

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Re: Money stuck in “risky” funds
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 06:51:18 PM »
...I think being so exposed to these industries may be more risk than I am willing to take.

Is there a way to shift this money and minimize the tax burden that I am overlooking?
Expat FI Guy, welcome to the forum.

If the first phrase quoted above is true, then a "reasonably aggressive" move plan makes sense.  This would not be unlike someone who has accumulated a large amount of one successful company's stock through employee stock purchase plans, options, etc., and then decides the risk is too high.  Selling all at once may or may not be the plan, but letting distaste of playing taxes prevent one from selling any is not wise.

You could start by selling lots with losses, then move to lots with not too much gain, then lots with medium gains, etc.  You could also either eyeball your holdings and estimate the amount you want to sell in a given year, or use a spreadsheet with your lot basis information that feeds a capital gain number into a tax spreadsheet such as the case study spreadsheet, or some other method.

Good luck!

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Re: Money stuck in “risky” funds
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 02:23:12 PM »
My taxable mutual funds are set to distribute (i.e., pay to my money market account) both dividends and internal realized capital gains.  That's really all you can do without paying additional taxes.

Not sure what "high income" means in your case.  If your MAGI, including capital gains, is less than ~250K the capital gains rate is 15%.  Above that you would owe an additional ACA surcharge.  If your MAGI is otherwise below 250K then you might want to fill it up with capital gains.  And then there may be a state tax.

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Re: Money stuck in “risky” funds
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2018, 12:05:33 AM »
You need to know the tax implications of selling - the current value, versus what you paid.  Your brokerage should have a "cost basis" area helping you track the implications of a sale.

I think your goal in moving to VTSAX is lower expense ratios, which I agree with.  In which case, you should also list the expense ratios of your current investments.  You can then see how much each investment costs you per year, and how much of a tax hit it takes to sell that asset.