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MBA tax write-off?
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:37:59 PM »
According to FileIt.tax (https://fileit.tax/mba/), MBA students are able to write off their tuition differently than the Standard Education Credits (which provides up to a $2,000 credit), in that you can directly subtract your entire tuition from your income. The requirements are:

1) You were established in a business profession prior to starting your MBA
2) Your MBA courses enhance the skills prior to your MBA
3) You continue to use the enhanced skills after completing the MBA
4) The MBA cannot qualify you for the brand new profession

Has anybody done this? I feel like there are some obvious trajectories that would disqualify you from this, but I feel there could be a lot of gray areas, too. I'm currently in a part-time MBA program. I do project management for a non-profit in international development. After I graduate I'm not sure yet exactly what I will do. I could stay in pretty much the exact same role, or I could make what I'd consider a pivot, working at the intersection of international development and business in frontier markets. How exactly would the IRS determine if I qualify or disqualify? Does anybody have any insight or experience with this?

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Re: MBA tax write-off?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 02:51:36 PM »
I have an MBA and I did not take this tax deduction.

Their website FAQ seems to point to chapter 12 of Publication 970 from the IRS.  That chapter talks about deductions for work-related education.  Were I in your shoes and interested in taking this deduction, I would study that chapter of the IRS documentation and decide how comfortable I felt that those rules applied to my situation.  If you think they do, then by all means take the deduction and keep documentation for your records.

If the IRS audited any of the returns on which you took the deductions, they would presumably ask you questions as well as review any documentation that you saved.

Personally I am slightly put off by their assertion that this is an MBA tuition tax deduction.  It isn't; it is for any education that meets the requirements of Chapter 12 of Pub 970.  It may be that MBA students typically can qualify, but just the way they describe and market it bothers me.

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Re: MBA tax write-off?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 04:04:19 PM »
Here's what the IRS says:
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To be deductible, your expenses must be for education that (1) maintains or improves your job skills or (2) that your employer or a law requires to keep your salary, status, or job. However, even if the education meets either of these tests, the education can't be part of a program that will qualify you for a new trade or business or that you need to meet the minimal educational requirements of your trade or business.

The issues from Tax Court:
1) If you quit your job to do the MBA program, you're not maintaining a trade, and you usually lose.
2) If you get a new job immediately after graduating, it's highly suggestive of the fact that it qualified you for a new trade or business.
3) If you had substantial management experience prior to the MBA program, you're more likely to win on the basis on improving your job skills and not qualifying for a new trade.
4) If you did not have substantial management experience prior to the MBA, you're likely to lose on the MBA deduction.

For insight on how the Tax Court views this, you probably want to look into some of the more serious and academic discussions on the topic and review a few important court cases. There's a good article called Solving the B-School Riddle that was published in the Georgetown Law Journal. It's a few years old, so it misses out on the most recent court cases, but still gives a very good rundown of the issues.

If you want insight on the IRS' position, you need only look at how often this issue is litigated. Think about the audit process. Taxpayer is chosen for audit. IRS disallows MBA deduction. Taxpayer then chooses: Accept determination OR move to Tax Court. Tax Court is costly, so many will simply accept the determination. The sheer number of cases actually making it to Tax Court on this issue suggests that the IRS frequently denies this deduction.

Large Unreimbursed Employee Business Expenses are a high risk area and an MBA deduction is a high risk item within this area. Generally, when an auditor is confronted with a "grey area," they deny the deduction. Without clear legal guidance, they do not have the authority to accept the deduction.

In addition to asking yourself whether your deduction is defensible, you should ask: 1) Are you prepared to defend it under audit. 2) Are you prepared to defend it in Tax Court.

I would take the deduction for myself because the answer to both of those questions is "Yes." I'll defend anything on my own tax return because I'm a CPA and it costs me nothing but time to do so. But when a massage therapist client recently asked me this question, I told her "No." Given the case history and her facts and circumstances, I could not possibly see how it would be a defensible position on her tax return.

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Re: MBA tax write-off?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 06:35:11 PM »
I pretty much agree with CPA Cat. We might even totally agree...

That said, I also think an education deduction can be pretty robustly defended if you know the rules and follow them. Also, I'll say that I've had a number of clients take a deduction for something like an MBA and I regularly do IRS representation work so have that possibility in the back of my mind when I talk with people about it.

I did a blog post this last summer about small business owners and real estate investors writing off education deductions... that post tries to put the rules and logic of job training and education deductions into everyday language:

Business Education Deductions

While a business education deduction may work easier because it appears on a business return (like inside a corporate return or a partnership return), the same basic rules apply if you want to take it as an employee business expense.

P.S. More info here from the IRS: https://www.irs.gov/publications/p529#en_US_2016_publink100026970


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Re: MBA tax write-off?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 08:32:05 PM »
I took this deduction, got audited for something  else and got called out for this one. I ultimately just gave up because my accountant couldn’t represent me because it would cost more than I would have had to pay the IRS. Also they bury you in fracking paperwork  so at the end of the day I was like here’s the stupid $2k leave me alone. BUT I read a WSJ story about a woman who fought i tax court in this issue and represented herself and won. She is my hero.

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Re: MBA tax write-off?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 05:08:38 PM »
There is a tendency sometimes for auditors to fight you when the tax benefit is too good... even if the law allows it.