Author Topic: Evaluating whether to withdraw from HSA for medical expenses or leave invested  (Read 2333 times)

cheapass

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So I know there are a lot of articles that say it's a good idea to leave your "never taxed" money in your HSA instead of reimbursing yourself for medical expenses. Has anyone run the numbers to see what the actual benefit is vs. reimbursing from your HSA and dropping the money into a taxable brokerage account?

I made an excel spreadsheet that shows account value out to 2050 for both scenarios.

Scenario 1: Assumed $100 initial investment and 7% ROI, with 2% of that being taxable dividends and 15% dividend tax rate. So every year in the taxable scenario I'm deducting 15% of 2% of the total (essentially a 6.7% ROI).
Ending value = $852
If taxed at 15% capital gains, net = $724
If taxed at 0% capital gains, net = $852

Scenario 2: Same as above but money is not taxed until the end at an assumed 12% effective rate
Ending value = $933
Net after 12% tax = $820


From this quick analysis it appears that the value of keeping it in your HSA depends on what you think your dividends/capital gains rate will be on your taxable accounts. Also I know leaving it in the HSA is the clear winner if you are withdrawing for medical expenses because there is never any tax.

Is there anything I'm not considering and should account for?

« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 12:45:24 PM by cheapass »

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Where are you getting this 12% effective rate from?  Are you intending to withdraw from the HSA directly at retirement for non-medical use, like a Traditional IRA?

I mean, I realize that's what the topic says, but I took that as meaning "withdrawing from HSA as I incur expenses" vs "leaving invested and withdrawing from HSA using previously-saved-up receipts once I actually need the money."  I don't recall seeing many articles proposing use of an HSA with no intent to ever redeem medical expenses from it.

Most people that use an HSA as an investment vehicle are taking advantage of having no tax going in OR coming out by keeping copies of all medical expense receipts from now until they need to tap into the HSA far in the future, planning to redeem all the receipts once the investments have grown substantially (there's no limit on how long you can wait to redeem an expense as long as the expense happened after the HSA was opened - I suggest tracking them in a spreadsheet and keeping digital copies of the receipts on a Google drive or something).

That way you aren't taxed at all, BUT by waiting to redeem until years and years later rather than redeeming the moment you have the expense, you give the investment time to grow.  The 12% tax at the end wouldn't apply, and the HSA is the clear winner as you said. Using it like a Traditional IRA is more of a backup plan if somehow you manage to not have enough medical expenses before your other retirement accounts run dry and you need what is in the HSA (and if you do that, then yes you are correct that just just like a tIRA its value depends on future dividend/capital gains tax rates since all you are doing is deferring taxes until later).

Do you really think between now and your death you won't have any medical expenses, especially with the HDHP you need to even have access to an HSA?  There's just really not much reason I can see to withdraw the funds directly as long as you save all your medical-related receipts from now until you actually need the money.  You don't even have to file the receipts or really in any way prove that you actually are using the funds for medical expenses, just have to have the receipts on hand in case you get audited after redeeming them.  There's also a surprising amount of things that qualify as a medical expense, you should check over the list on the IRS site!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2017, 08:30:34 PM by TaronM »

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$100 initial investment
Ending value = $852
If taxed at 15% capital gains, net = $724

Is there anything I'm not considering and should account for?
HSA specifics aside, at worst the capital gain in this scenario will be 852 - 100 = 752, so the net after tax will be (852 - 100) * 0.85 + 100 = $739.

It's actually more complicated because in addition to the $100 basis from the original investment, there is basis from the reinvested dividends.  See Formula for dividend tax drag? for details.

From the 'Misc. calcs' tab in the case study spreadsheet, for 33 years with annual compounding:
Growth in a taxable account
cgt = capital gain tax rate, %15.0%
d = annual dividend rate, %2.0%
g = annual growth excluding dividends, %5.0%
n = years invested, yr33
P = principal invested, $$100
t = tax rate on dividends, %15.0%
e = tax-adjusted annual growth, %6.70%
ecgt = tax-adjusted cap. gain tax rate, %11.194%
F = Future, after tax, value $766

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Where are you getting this 12% effective rate from?  Are you intending to withdraw from the HSA directly at retirement for non-medical use, like a Traditional IRA?

I mean, I realize that's what the topic says, but I took that as meaning "withdrawing from HSA as I incur expenses" vs "leaving invested and withdrawing from HSA using previously-saved-up receipts once I actually need the money."  I don't recall seeing many articles proposing use of an HSA with no intent to ever redeem medical expenses from it.

This is a good point. I was assuming "worst case" that I would need the money after 65 for non-medical purposes and would be paying 12% effective tax.

I can see where you would come out way ahead by saving receipts and redeeming a few decades after the original expense. Granted, the dollars you're getting are devalued 3% a year from what they would have been had you cashed out right away but your money has been growing at 9% (before inflation) right?