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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2017, 12:50:55 PM »
http://www.taxtips.ca/taxrates/qc.htm

The 18% is the capital gains rate. Capital gains are currently taxed at 50% of the income tax rate, in every tax bracket you pay half. So if I owe 18% on the gains and then get a credit for 36%, you come out ahead! Pretty sweet deal. Sure you could have it growing inside an RRSP, but why not make it easier to max out the RRSP with extra free money? At the end of the day you'll still have the same amount invested, but the capital gains route gives you a bonus amount to invest.

Numerical strategy is fairly simple. At any income under $45,000 put money into a TFSA, only after its maxed do we consider RRSP/investment account. Incomes over $45,000 are suitable for RRSP contributions ($45K is approx. of course) to bring taxable down to $45K. Investment accounts are super friendly to dividends when you have income under $45K, still fairly friendly over $45k. Capital gains are always better than wages, you control when you want to pay the tax (by selling your ETF) and the tax rate is 50% that of income.

In the real world you live in, you'll likely find that contributing to the Max RRSP every year will come out that years cash flow. I fully expect you may attempt option 3, but find it pointless because you have so much cash flow that you fund all future RRSP contributions with your wages. I don't understand why you won't have another $10,000 to invest next year and all subsequent years. Every time you get a pay raise it gets easier to make bigger contributions; lets be optimistic and say you're awesome and get promotions and raises. Very soon you'll wish you still had room.

If I had a time machine and could talk to you in 5 years I expect that you never bother to move the cash over to an RRSP from a taxable account. Instead you'll find it to be the third pillar of your retirement savings. How the withdrawal strategy works for FIRE is fun. If you invest $20,000 into an ETF (2017) and it increases over 10 years (2027) to $40,000 you have a years worth of living expenses there (lets pretend you spend $40k/year). You would sell the entire ETF and spend the cash on bills, all $40K. At tax time you would report that you sold it and had $20,000 in capital gains ($40-your original $20). The tax form says to multiple the gain ($20K) by 50% to get $10,000. That $10K is then taxed at the marginal rate for your province. If that is your entire income, you are below the minimum income threshold for Quebec, so you owe $0 for your 2027 taxes. Tax free was a misnomer, the correct phrase was you owe $0 in taxes.

If you pull $40K out of an RRSP you need to pay about $7,663 in taxes for the year (use Canadian Bens calculator, its great). If you pull $40K out of a TFSA you pay $0. Notice how the investment account is similar to the TFSA, its very nice.

If you spend less than $40K/year you blend RRSP withdrawals with Capital gains to get a taxable income equal to the basic exemption.  That sort of trickery allows you to get an RRSP refund now and avoid paying taxes later, best of both worlds. It also allows the TFSA to remain untouched!

Always leave the TFSA alone until you need it, when you hit 65 it becomes your best friend. The TFSA is the Ace up your sleeve, even in FIRE you should move money into it if possible. That's something far into your future, don't worry too much about it now.

I'm a buy/hold investor. I don't sell ever; I buy more of whatever fund I'm under allocated in. Selling is for people that don't have regular contributions or really large accounts where the extra cash is dwarfed by the amount you put in. I wish I had that problem...then I would be retired.

Last caveat; I assumed you will have increasing wages. If you expect your wage to be constant at $50K this is way too complicated. For a great plan you need to estimate current wage, future wages, province and retirement age as well as withdrawal rates; I also included marital status in mine (children too). Everyone's plan needs to be customized, there is no single plan that works best for everyone.

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Re: Do your owm taxes - Canada
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2017, 11:48:25 PM »
Wages are always increasing. If only due to your investments making your own increases!

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« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2017, 03:12:18 PM »
Thanks again for your very detailed answer, very much appreciated.

http://www.taxtips.ca/taxrates/qc.htm

The 18% is the capital gains rate. Capital gains are currently taxed at 50% of the income tax rate, in every tax bracket you pay half. So if I owe 18% on the gains and then get a credit for 36%, you come out ahead! Pretty sweet deal. Sure you could have it growing inside an RRSP, but why not make it easier to max out the RRSP with extra free money? At the end of the day you'll still have the same amount invested, but the capital gains route gives you a bonus amount to invest.

Ok now I understand and it seems like a good plan!

But why do you say :

If I had a time machine and could talk to you in 5 years I expect that you never bother to move the cash over to an RRSP from a taxable account. Instead you'll find it to be the third pillar of your retirement savings. (...)

In order to apply the 36%/18% (or whatever %) strategy, you'll eventually have to sell and move cash over to an RRSP from a taxable account.

In 5 years from now, I fully expect having maxed out my RRSP, easily, in order to deduct just enough to get to the lower tax bracket. In fact, I was planning to have it maxed out by the end of the year (and then start investing in taxable account), but now I am rethinking my strategy.

I'll post later a little forecast of what I planned RRSP-wise for the next years.

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« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2017, 04:11:44 PM »


Here's an overview I planned for the next 5-7 years. Again, my goal is to deduct just enough every year in order to get me in the lower tax bracket.

According to my estimates, I could do it until the end of 2022 fiscal year (green). After that, though, I'll be stuck in 37.12% tax bracket contributing and deduction 18% every year.

I dont know if there's something wrong in that strategy? If I go that way, it's hard to invest elsewhere (like non taxable) because if market goes down, I won't be able to sell and transfer to RRSP… I guess it's not too bad, I could just wait and do it later but I'd be passing on some tax return for a while.

And as the years go, if my salary increases quicker than this anticipating (which I expect), It'll only be easier to reach the goal.

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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM »
***There's normally a picture at the top of my last post, can it be seen? It seems like depending on what computer I am, I can or can't see it***

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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2017, 09:30:40 AM »
I can see it. Line 1-6.

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« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2017, 09:47:03 AM »

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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2017, 09:56:09 AM »
Is year 2023 your FIRE date?

If not, you'll start hitting taxable investments after.

132K in RRSP is more than a decade of under 0% taxable 11500 in personal deductions.

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« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2017, 06:25:54 AM »
Is year 2023 your FIRE date?

If not, you'll start hitting taxable investments after.
I plan to FIRE by 2025. So yes, I'll be hitting taxable investments.

But even before that, with what I'm planning to be able to save and the yearly tax return, I'll have more to invest that what I need/can invest in RRSP ans TFSA, so I'll also be hitting taxable investments every year.

132K in RRSP is more than a decade of under 0% taxable 11500 in personal deductions.
Yes, exactly. The whole withdrawing strategy at FIRE is also very interesting (and I still need to do some more research) to minimize tax impact.

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« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2017, 07:20:34 AM »
You can contribute to RRSP's and not claim them right away.

It becomes a question of if you need the Tax return to fill your RRSP contributions.

If you will hit your max RRSP that you want for to contribute for the year without the tax return, then go for Taxable (if TFSA is already filled out); if not, fill out RRSP and TFSA.

That was clear in my head. Maybe less to people reading this.

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« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2017, 07:37:44 AM »
You can contribute to RRSP's and not claim them right away.

It becomes a question of if you need the Tax return to fill your RRSP contributions.

If you will hit your max RRSP that you want for to contribute for the year without the tax return, then go for Taxable (if TFSA is already filled out); if not, fill out RRSP and TFSA.

That was clear in my head. Maybe less to people reading this.
Exactly, that's been the plan since the beginning actually.

- First : TFSA
- Second : RRSP in order to be able to deduct to lower tax bracket (and planning for upcoming years)
- Third : Taxable

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« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2017, 07:53:56 AM »
You have to have crazy amount of  invesments though to earn 40K$ in dividends!

No, you just need something in the range of 800,000 - 1 milion invested.

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« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2017, 12:46:34 PM »
You have to have crazy amount of  invesments though to earn 40K$ in dividends!

No, you just need something in the range of 800,000 - 1 milion invested.
Well, I guess ''crazy amount of investments'' definition is up to debate. Definately acheivable, but quite a challenge for most people!

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« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2017, 02:01:53 PM »


Here's an overview I planned for the next 5-7 years. Again, my goal is to deduct just enough every year in order to get me in the lower tax bracket.

According to my estimates, I could do it until the end of 2022 fiscal year (green). After that, though, I'll be stuck in 37.12% tax bracket contributing and deduction 18% every year.

I dont know if there's something wrong in that strategy? If I go that way, it's hard to invest elsewhere (like non taxable) because if market goes down, I won't be able to sell and transfer to RRSP… I guess it's not too bad, I could just wait and do it later but I'd be passing on some tax return for a while.

And as the years go, if my salary increases quicker than this anticipating (which I expect), It'll only be easier to reach the goal.
line 7 amount available to invest
line 8 amount in TFSA
Line 9 amount in RRSP
Line 10 amount in Taxable

line 11-13 total invested in each account assuming 7% compounding annually

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« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2017, 02:36:16 PM »
You have to have crazy amount of  invesments though to earn 40K$ in dividends!

No, you just need something in the range of 800,000 - 1 milion invested.
Well, I guess ''crazy amount of investments'' definition is up to debate. Definately acheivable, but quite a challenge for most people!
$20,000 a year ($1,660/month) at 7% compounding a year for 22 years yields a million dollars. Less than you plan on doing for the next 7 years...

This isn't advice for the masses, there are other sites with information tailored to people who aren't you. You must accept that you're fortunate to have such wealth, don't become "most people" :) You can have a million if you want to put in the time.

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« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2017, 03:47:22 PM »
You have to have crazy amount of  invesments though to earn 40K$ in dividends!

No, you just need something in the range of 800,000 - 1 milion invested.
Well, I guess ''crazy amount of investments'' definition is up to debate. Definately acheivable, but quite a challenge for most people!
$20,000 a year ($1,660/month) at 7% compounding a year for 22 years yields a million dollars. Less than you plan on doing for the next 7 years...

This isn't advice for the masses, there are other sites with information tailored to people who aren't you. You must accept that you're fortunate to have such wealth, don't become "most people" :) You can have a million if you want to put in the time.
So if I stop putting money in RRSP until I need it (year 2018) and then put just as much as I need (contribute and deduct the minimum to get me in the lower  tax bracket), it'll look like this (might be hard to understand without the formulas (would be glad to send to Excel file if anyone wants):

 - First, until 2023, when all RRSP contributions are deducted in order to get to first tax bracket:


- Then, after that, it gets a lot simplier (only 18% would go to RRSP since maximum deduction would be reached : More in taxable, less in RRSP) :


Millionnaire by 2031, but I plan to FIRE before that :)
That's also just a plan/picture as of today. A lot can change along the years (salary, family, etc.).
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« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2017, 03:08:21 PM »
it looks well planned out. I think you see why I suggested you'll never transfer the money over :) You also see that there's very little reason to accumulate credits; you just keep getting more.

In lieu of predicting the future you have flexibility. Even a few years on this plan will set you up for retirement at a young age; run a scenario where you completely stop contributions in a few years (family/house/job loss) and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »
it looks well planned out. I think you see why I suggested you'll never transfer the money over :) You also see that there's very little reason to accumulate credits; you just keep getting more.

In lieu of predicting the future you have flexibility. Even a few years on this plan will set you up for retirement at a young age; run a scenario where you completely stop contributions in a few years (family/house/job loss) and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Thanks again for the advices, it's been very helpful.

It'd be interesting to run such a scenario, I'll do for sure. The hardest part is definitely the beginning, the first years. Once you are well into it, the regular investments and compounding interests make it very encouraging!

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« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2017, 09:26:27 PM »
I filed with CRA in March, using StudioTax, painlessly.
I filed with the IRS today (under the wire) using 1040.com (and separate online FBar filing.) As usual, I cross check the software by filing out the forms manually, ensuring I get the same results.

Every year I appreciate the CRA more and more.

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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2018, 10:51:43 AM »
Tax season again this year! I'm still using TurboTax and I'd have 2 questions I'd need help with:

1. Are the registration fees to a professional group (such as provincial engineers professional group, nurse professional group) tax deductible? Or is it considered as a taxable benefit? For example, I pay 500$/year to be a part of my professional group. The company I work for reimburses part of it (around 350$). Can I use the balance (150$) as tax deductible?

2. I have a un registered account (margin) with Questrade in which I have funds that pay dividends. Do I have to pay taxes on those dividends now or only when I withdraw the money from the account?

Thanks!

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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2018, 11:15:53 AM »
Questrade should send you a slip for the Margin account. (Dividends will be taxed in the year they were received) Look in the reports/forms for your margin account. (it's a tab)

Is Turbotax free? (if not... I highly recommend Simpletax, it can import everything from CRA automatically. All I had to do was add my RRSP contributions and add a number in one box.)

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« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2018, 12:32:52 PM »
Questrade should send you a slip for the Margin account. (Dividends will be taxed in the year they were received) Look in the reports/forms for your margin account. (it's a tab)
I looked, all I have is a ''Trading Summary''. I only have what I bougth and what I sold. Maybe it'll be coming later?

Is Turbotax free? (if not... I highly recommend Simpletax, it can import everything from CRA automatically. All I had to do was add my RRSP contributions and add a number in one box.)
Turbotax is free and yes you can import information from CRA.

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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2018, 12:50:08 PM »
Nice.

For Questrade, just to confirm you are looking in the Tax Slips portion?

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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2018, 12:54:45 PM »
Questrade should send you a slip for the Margin account. (Dividends will be taxed in the year they were received) Look in the reports/forms for your margin account. (it's a tab)
I looked, all I have is a ''Trading Summary''. I only have what I bougth and what I sold. Maybe it'll be coming later?

I haven't gotten my non-registered account tax slip yet.  Questrade seems to be consistently slow getting them out (there's a deadline for them to distribute them and IIRC they usually get them out then, no earlier).

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« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2018, 02:59:47 PM »
Nice.

For Questrade, just to confirm you are looking in the Tax Slips portion?
Yes, I am. I have the same, only one report but nothing related to dividends.

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« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2018, 03:00:18 PM »
Questrade should send you a slip for the Margin account. (Dividends will be taxed in the year they were received) Look in the reports/forms for your margin account. (it's a tab)
I looked, all I have is a ''Trading Summary''. I only have what I bougth and what I sold. Maybe it'll be coming later?

I haven't gotten my non-registered account tax slip yet.  Questrade seems to be consistently slow getting them out (there's a deadline for them to distribute them and IIRC they usually get them out then, no earlier).
That would explain it. Thanks

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« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2018, 04:59:06 PM »
And anyone knows about the dividend tax credit? Is it procincial or federal?

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« Reply #77 on: March 12, 2018, 05:06:05 PM »
Each province has its own rates. (But it is applicable to all)

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« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2018, 05:43:12 PM »
Each province has its own rates. (But it is applicable to all)
But is it just the different rate for dividends vs. regular income or is it sonething else?

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« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2018, 05:58:05 PM »
Questrade should send you a slip for the Margin account. (Dividends will be taxed in the year they were received) Look in the reports/forms for your margin account. (it's a tab)
I looked, all I have is a ''Trading Summary''. I only have what I bougth and what I sold. Maybe it'll be coming later?

I haven't gotten my non-registered account tax slip yet.  Questrade seems to be consistently slow getting them out (there's a deadline for them to distribute them and IIRC they usually get them out then, no earlier).

1.  Professional fees (e.g., Engineering Professional Fees) and Union Dues are tax deductible, IF your employer has not reimbursed you for them.

2.  Timing of Tax Slips

At TD, they posted the schedule for receipts..

T3/RL-16 (Mutual Funds) -Income Distribution and Return of Capital from Mutual Funds: April 2, 2018 from the fund company
T3/RL-16 -Trust unit income April 2, 2018
T5013/RL-15 - Partnership income April 2, 2018
1042S - US Source Income* Reporting for Simple Trust, Grantor Trust, and Partnership reporting : March 15, 2018


So yes, your receipts may not arrive for a few weeks yet.   I have had tax slips for non-reg funds arrive at the end of March, so I know to wait for it now.

3.  Tax Software Comments

I am surprised that TurboTax is free, which is great news.  I note that the free version does not store a copy "in the cloud" for you, you need to print it / save it yourself, and it does not transfer the information from last year.   Both of these features are very helpful, which I why I used to pay for the $15 / $20 version, and switched to SimpleTax.   SimpleTax works even better than TurboTax, in my opinion, and  I give a donation after it is completed.

4.  Do I pay taxes on dividends each year?
Yes, you need to pay tax on your dividend income in the year that you earned it, even if it is DRIP'd back into the account.   You will also need to keep track of your ACB (or check Questrade's calculation) including all the DRIP's so you can pay the correct capital gains tax when you sell the stock.  For that reason, it can be easier NOT to DRIP, and just reinvest the dividend cash twice a year (fewer transactions to keep track of).

5.  How much is the dividend tax credit.
The dividend tax credit is a combination of a federal tax credit and a provincial one.  Each province sets its own tax rates and its own dividend rate.

I love using this on-line calculator... It gives the dividend tax rate, average taxes, and marginal rates for every province:
http://www.ey.com/ca/en/services/tax/tax-calculators-2018-personal-tax

The dividend tax rate is set to attempt to split taxes on the company's earned income between the corporation paying taxes directly on that income, and you paying the remaining taxes on the dividend that they gave you for being an "owner".  The fun part is that they "Gross up" the amount, then give a "Dividend Tax credit".   It still works out to less tax than for interest (e.g., bond interest), but I always found the two step approach overkill.


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« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2018, 05:52:34 AM »
1.  Professional fees (e.g., Engineering Professional Fees) and Union Dues are tax deductible, IF your employer has not reimbursed you for them.

My employer did reimburse the Professional Fees but as a taxable benefit through my paycheck so I still paid taxes on that fees.
For example : Fee was 500$, employer reimbursed 500$ on my paycheck, I received 350$ (after taxes).

Is the difference (150$) tax deductible?

4.  Do I pay taxes on dividends each year?
Yes, you need to pay tax on your dividend income in the year that you earned it, even if it is DRIP'd back into the account.   You will also need to keep track of your ACB (or check Questrade's calculation) including all the DRIP's so you can pay the correct capital gains tax when you sell the stock.  For that reason, it can be easier NOT to DRIP, and just reinvest the dividend cash twice a year (fewer transactions to keep track of).

I'll wait for the receipts then, thanks.


5.  How much is the dividend tax credit.
The dividend tax credit is a combination of a federal tax credit and a provincial one.  Each province sets its own tax rates and its own dividend rate.

I love using this on-line calculator... It gives the dividend tax rate, average taxes, and marginal rates for every province:
http://www.ey.com/ca/en/services/tax/tax-calculators-2018-personal-tax

The dividend tax rate is set to attempt to split taxes on the company's earned income between the corporation paying taxes directly on that income, and you paying the remaining taxes on the dividend that they gave you for being an "owner".  The fun part is that they "Gross up" the amount, then give a "Dividend Tax credit".   It still works out to less tax than for interest (e.g., bond interest), but I always found the two step approach overkill.

It'll be the first time I received dividends in an un-registered account. What will the receipt looks like? Will I have to calculate the tax rate or should TurboTax calculate it on its own?

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« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2018, 02:12:39 PM »
For the taxable benefit - that is interesting.  Are you certain you paid tax on it? All of my employers treated it like a direct business expense reimbursement.

If you paid tax, then your employer did not pay for it, (IMO) they bumped up your salary by the same amount (you earned a bonus)...   But check your T4 to see how they recorded it, first.   There is a box on the T4 for "professional /union dues".   If it appears there, you can not claim it (again). 

If it does not appear, then you can claim it and get your $150 in taxes back.  (or whatever your marginal rate works it out to be)

 

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« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2018, 03:31:05 PM »
For the taxable benefit - that is interesting.  Are you certain you paid tax on it? All of my employers treated it like a direct business expense reimbursement.

If you paid tax, then your employer did not pay for it, (IMO) they bumped up your salary by the same amount (you earned a bonus)...   But check your T4 to see how they recorded it, first.   There is a box on the T4 for "professional /union dues".   If it appears there, you can not claim it (again). 

If it does not appear, then you can claim it and get your $150 in taxes back.  (or whatever your marginal rate works it out to be)

Yes, I am sure I paid taxes on it. Was added directly to my taxable income.

According to this link : https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/topics/about-your-tax-return/tax-return/completing-a-tax-return/deductions-credits-expenses/line-212-annual-union-professional-like-dues.html

It should be included at the box 44 but I definitly have nothing there..

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« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2018, 04:45:18 PM »
Yeah, if you have nothing in box 44, then it was given as a taxable benefit, and you can claim it.   Only one person can claim it for the tax deduction, and if it is not in box 44, that person is YOU.

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« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2018, 05:45:21 AM »
Yeah, if you have nothing in box 44, then it was given as a taxable benefit, and you can claim it.   Only one person can claim it for the tax deduction, and if it is not in box 44, that person is YOU.
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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2018, 10:03:59 AM »
So I confirmed with Questrade; they only sent form T5008/RL18 up to now which is only a trading summary and according to them, this is :

''A T5008 (Relevé 18 for Quebec residents) is a trading summary that contains information regarding all transactions (purchases and dispositions). Please note that these slips are not mandatory tax documents and are intended for information purposes only. They may be useful in preparing capital gains/losses. When we submit T5008 reporting to the Canada Revenue Agency, we only provide details on disposition transactions.''

So from what I understand, it doesn't have any impact on my tax report which males sense because, yes I bought and sold in the account but didnt withdraw anything. Am I right?

But I am missing the tax slip for dividends I received. According to the person I talked to:

''There are many Canadian ETFs that pay distributions/dividends and that will be classified as income from a trust unit which will be a T3 that will be made available to you on April 2nd 2018.''

But what about other ETF’s (non canadian)?

Also, should I receive something for dividends in RRSP? Are they taxable if not withdrawn from the account?
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Re: Do your owm taxes - Canada
« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2018, 10:32:52 AM »
RRSP is not taxable until you withdraw, so you won't get any yearly statements on them.

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« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2018, 10:19:25 PM »
RRSPs and TFSAs -- only care about withdrawals from your account.

Securities (non-registered, outside of RRSPs) in your account that are sold need to be reported on taxes, along with your Actual Cost Base (ACB), to calculate capital gains, regardless of if you removed the money or not.

Income from Trusts and mutual fund reports , dividends on non-registered accounts also need to be reported. 

Why don't you email customer support and ask them about your specific account / investments?

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« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2018, 07:05:14 AM »
RRSPs and TFSAs -- only care about withdrawals from your account.

Securities (non-registered, outside of RRSPs) in your account that are sold need to be reported on taxes, along with your Actual Cost Base (ACB), to calculate capital gains, regardless of if you removed the money or not.

Income from Trusts and mutual fund reports , dividends on non-registered accounts also need to be reported. 

Why don't you email customer support and ask them about your specific account / investments?
I did call them, my questions are more related to tax report technicalities since I am trying to do my report myself but don’t have any experience.

Thanks for your help, I was sure capital gains were cslculated only when money is withdrawn from the account even for non-registered.

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« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2018, 07:36:53 AM »
RRSPs and TFSAs -- only care about withdrawals from your account.

Securities (non-registered, outside of RRSPs) in your account that are sold need to be reported on taxes, along with your Actual Cost Base (ACB), to calculate capital gains, regardless of if you removed the money or not.

Income from Trusts and mutual fund reports , dividends on non-registered accounts also need to be reported. 

Why don't you email customer support and ask them about your specific account / investments?
I did call them, my questions are more related to tax report technicalities since I am trying to do my report myself but don’t have any experience.

Thanks for your help, I was sure capital gains were cslculated only when money is withdrawn from the account even for non-registered.

Doing taxes is not as complicated as it may seem to be at first glance.  For most employed people with some investments, you will just get all the documents in the mail from everywhere.  T3, T4, T5, T1028, whatever . . . just keep 'em in one spot.  About a week before taxes are due you should have all the documents you need for typical claims.  Then just fill in your preferred free tax software and submit.  (If you are self-employed, a contractor, have your own small business, etc. things get more complicated.)

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« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2018, 07:37:26 AM »
In non-registered, it's calculated for every sale, even if it remain in the account. (Which is also why you get taxed on dividends)

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« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2018, 06:36:14 PM »
Note that only Canadian Eligible dividends get the Divi Tax Credit.

T5008: If you have done no *selling*, you don't need to report anything *yet* (except dividends). You should, however, keep track of your *adjusted cost base*, which is the sum total of money you have paid for each security divided by the number you own. If you buy anything unregistered in a different currency than CAD, you need to store the ACB *in CAD*, with the exchange happening on the day you make the purchase.

It can get very messy, very quickly if you buy and sell a lot/buy and sell in different currencies. If I'd known a few years back I would've stuck solely to ETFs in CAD in my unregistered account.

*Companies can fuck up T5008s* - they may not know your ACB correctly, it is up to you to keep that info (I'm probably going to have to do some work myself this year to get my capital gains stuff straight).

Divis from ETFs come on T3s rather than T5s because they are trusts. I would wait rather than filing the minute you get your last T3, too, as they sometimes make amendments, too.

"Wealthy" person problems - those living paycheque to paycheque just have one T4 slip and are done :P

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« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2018, 11:08:30 AM »
Note that only Canadian Eligible dividends get the Divi Tax Credit.

T5008: If you have done no *selling*, you don't need to report anything *yet* (except dividends). You should, however, keep track of your *adjusted cost base*, which is the sum total of money you have paid for each security divided by the number you own. If you buy anything unregistered in a different currency than CAD, you need to store the ACB *in CAD*, with the exchange happening on the day you make the purchase
Fortunately, I only have ETF’s in CAD in my un registered account.

Unfortunately though, I have done some selling in my un registered account for re-balancing purpose and also to only have Canadian Eligible ETF in there (VCN in my case).

So, from the answers I got and from what I understand, I’ll have to;
1. report dividends in un-registered account (still waiting for T3 report)
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2. calculate ACB and capital gains (or losses) on whatever I sold (mostly VUN) in un-registered account to report it.

Did I get this right?
Does Questrade calculate this ACB for you?

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« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2018, 11:54:20 AM »
Note that only Canadian Eligible dividends get the Divi Tax Credit.

T5008: If you have done no *selling*, you don't need to report anything *yet* (except dividends). You should, however, keep track of your *adjusted cost base*, which is the sum total of money you have paid for each security divided by the number you own. If you buy anything unregistered in a different currency than CAD, you need to store the ACB *in CAD*, with the exchange happening on the day you make the purchase
Fortunately, I only have ETF’s in CAD in my un registered account.

Unfortunately though, I have done some selling in my un registered account for re-balancing purpose and also to only have Canadian Eligible ETF in there (VCN in my case).

So, from the answers I got and from what I understand, I’ll have to;
1. report dividends in un-registered account (still waiting for T3 report)
+
2. calculate ACB and capital gains (or losses) on whatever I sold (mostly VUN) in un-registered account to report it.

Did I get this right?
Does Questrade calculate this ACB for you?

Yes you're right. They won't give you a definitive ACB because for all they know, you have another brokerage account. They may either leave the 'cost basis' field blank or give what they think is the right answer - but it is your job to work it out.

This is from a T5008, securities trading summary. The T3 and T5 forms just give info on income from securities.

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« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2018, 01:25:13 PM »
Note that only Canadian Eligible dividends get the Divi Tax Credit.

T5008: If you have done no *selling*, you don't need to report anything *yet* (except dividends). You should, however, keep track of your *adjusted cost base*, which is the sum total of money you have paid for each security divided by the number you own. If you buy anything unregistered in a different currency than CAD, you need to store the ACB *in CAD*, with the exchange happening on the day you make the purchase
Fortunately, I only have ETF’s in CAD in my un registered account.

Unfortunately though, I have done some selling in my un registered account for re-balancing purpose and also to only have Canadian Eligible ETF in there (VCN in my case).

So, from the answers I got and from what I understand, I’ll have to;
1. report dividends in un-registered account (still waiting for T3 report)
+
2. calculate ACB and capital gains (or losses) on whatever I sold (mostly VUN) in un-registered account to report it.

Did I get this right?
Does Questrade calculate this ACB for you?

Yes you're right. They won't give you a definitive ACB because for all they know, you have another brokerage account. They may either leave the 'cost basis' field blank or give what they think is the right answer - but it is your job to work it out.

This is from a T5008, securities trading summary. The T3 and T5 forms just give info on income from securities.
All I have on that T5008 is the detail of every transaction I have done in 2017; date, qty bought or sold, price bought or sold and total amounts in $.

No mention of ACB anywhere.

Fortunately, I only sold 3 times, that should be pretty easy to calculate.

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« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2018, 03:05:09 PM »
Questtrade should give you "book value".  That is the cash that  you put in to buy the ETF, including any top-ups or reinvested monies.  Sometimes the book value reported is not 100% correct, but for simpler trades i have not had a problem.

To this, you would add in any costs for trading, such as trading fee..  If you had a fee to buy and one to sell, then you need to add it in twice.  (e.g., $6.99 x2 or whatever Quest trade's fee is).

ACB = Your original investment + Trading commissions on that account + other money it cost you to  directly acquire  and to sell that ETF..  If an option, that would include your option fee, or if you had a live broker/ telephone trade service surcharge you could add it in, too.

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« Reply #96 on: March 30, 2018, 03:16:34 PM »
ACB simplest explanation: difference between price when sold and when bought. (If you buy more of the same stock, then the ACB is the cost when bought of the old stocks, + the cost of the new stocks, averaged by the amount of units. (1 unit at 12, 1 unit at 14, value = 2x units at 13. So 13 would be your ACB for both units of that stock) So if you sell both at 15, it's 2$ per stock, so 4$ in capital gains.

But like Goldie says, you can also add the trade costs for taxes.

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« Reply #97 on: March 30, 2018, 03:24:07 PM »
Canadian Ben,  You worded that awkardly...  please check

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ACB simplest explanation: difference between price when sold and when bought

^^this is your PROFIT.^^

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« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2018, 05:28:08 PM »
If you are dealing with large amounts of money or ETF holdings you've had for many years, tracking phantom distributions (capital gains reinvested, not distributed) may be worthwhile in order to avoid overpaying your capital gains taxes.  Questrade doesn't track this for you, check with the ETF provider (where it describes distributions it should also indicate what was reinvested).

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« Reply #99 on: April 03, 2018, 08:47:47 PM »
Thank you everyone for your answers.

So I finally received my T3/RL-16 tax slip and I have a few questions to make sure I get this correctly:

1. Do I need to calculate the dividend tax credit (or applicable tax rates) or should SimpleTax take care of this once I fill the boxes?

2. With the ''Statement of Trust Income Allocations and Designations (T3)'', Questrade sent a ''T3 summary of investment income and expense for 2017'' (see pictures). I clearly have the dividends paid, but also have capital reimbursement and capital gains on there (yellow)... I am not sure what those are, I thought capital gains in un-registered should be calculated with ACB from T5008.. Is this something else?

I also found that SimpleTax has 2 different sections where you can fill capital gains/losses. First is T5008 section which isn't very ''friendly-user'' at least for a beginner like me, and then you have a ''Capital Gains (or losses)'' section (see picture - sorry for french) with ACB (PBR in French) and lots of instructions, which I find a lot simpler!