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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2015, 12:55:07 PM »


I may not have communicated clearly enough for some, if so, that is my bad.  However, the point is MINE to make as the OP and any comments such as the at least polite one, "  I think you might be missing the point" are incorrect. 

People's comments are THEIRS to make. They aren't "incorrect" any more than your point is "incorrect."

ETA: Your post actually asked two questions--"Why do you need to be a badass?" (in the subject) and "What's too far for YOU?" The "incorrect" responses are actually answers to your first question.

i get the main point of his question, but I wonder why there are so many responses that question his question - or at least how he wrote it/asked it.  Sheese!

Because equating badassity to only saving money misses the entire point?

And because it was written in a patronizing tone and the examples were strawmen, which tends to irritate people.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2015, 01:20:41 PM »
I think there's a fine line between badass and cheap. It is completely objective, but sometimes I do feel like badassity on this forum comes at the expense of a family member. It's rare, and it is definitely not badass.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2015, 09:10:23 AM »
I think there's a fine line between badass and cheap. It is completely objective, but sometimes I do feel like badassity on this forum comes at the expense of a family member. It's rare, and it is definitely not badass.

I agree. Anything at the expense of someone else is cheap and just wrong. I remember reading an article about a couple who took the challenge to not spend anything for an entire year. While they did grow most of their own food and traded for some things they needed, they also said they relied on family for leftovers and sometimes rummaged through donation bins for new clothes. First half is bad ass, second half not so much.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2015, 10:44:08 AM »

I may not have communicated clearly enough for some, if so, that is my bad.  However, the point is MINE to make as the OP and any comments such as the at least polite one, "  I think you might be missing the point" are incorrect.  YOU may have missed the point of what I was trying to say and ask and that may have been my fault for not communicating it clearly enough for you to understand but I cannot  'miss the point'.   I'm the one making the point.

I just came across this article, http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/11/23/not-extreme-frugality/

Title made me chuckle...

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2015, 08:19:16 PM »
To which I would say, either this thread dies from disinterest, or else locking is probably called for.  There cannot be much gained by people (hopefully having) read all the prior posts and then posting a link that loosely applies...  But hey, this is also the hippie forum, so I'm not gonna' crush a buzz (or whatever M41 called it)...

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2015, 04:59:40 AM »
But hey, this is also the hippie forum, so I'm not gonna' crush a buzz (or whatever M41 called it)...

"the hippie forum"?  Huh?
I don't get it.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2015, 07:03:19 AM »
To which I would say, either this thread dies from disinterest, or else locking is probably called for.  There cannot be much gained by people (hopefully having) read all the prior posts and then posting a link that loosely applies...  But hey, this is also the hippie forum, so I'm not gonna' crush a buzz (or whatever M41 called it)...

Maybe I'm wrong, but the more popular this forum has gotten the more divisive the posts have been.  Sad, but a testament to our nature to judge and critisize.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2015, 09:12:52 AM »
Yeah, guess I shouldn't've used a word like 'hippie', this thread will probl'y spring back to life now.  But I do like the diversity (hence the use of hippie - folks trying to make the best of their youth, coming from different backgrounds).  It wasn't meant to be a criticism (like, Steve Jobs was a hippie, man), maybe would have been better as a new thread...  sigh...
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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2015, 09:41:15 AM »
Yeah, guess I shouldn't've used a word like 'hippie', this thread will probl'y spring back to life now.  But I do like the diversity (hence the use of hippie - folks trying to make the best of their youth, coming from different backgrounds).  It wasn't meant to be a criticism (like, Steve Jobs was a hippie, man), maybe would have been better as a new thread...  sigh...
ok.  I was just confused.  If I had to label myself I'd probably call myself a free-market capitalist, which doesn't really jive with my notion of hippies... but then again no one ever seems to fit very well inside any specific box/label.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2015, 03:36:12 PM »
I had quite a bit of contempt for hippies a decade ago.  Now I find I practically am one.

Maybe not though, apparently I seem straight-laced; some people this weekend at Camp Mustache were surprised when they noticed (on day 3, so after having talked with me quite awhile) that I had a tongue ring.

It's hard to be fit into boxes, I guess.  (And that's one person--now imagine a whole forum of different people.)
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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2015, 05:40:56 AM »
I had quite a bit of contempt for hippies a decade ago.  Now I find I practically am one.

Maybe not though, apparently I seem straight-laced; some people this weekend at Camp Mustache were surprised when they noticed (on day 3, so after having talked with me quite awhile) that I had a tongue ring.

It's hard to be fit into boxes, I guess.  (And that's one person--now imagine a whole forum of different people.)

The ones I remember were from 3-4 decades ago.  Wasn't sure that a decade ago they were not extinct.  Maybe they have been newly defined :)

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2015, 08:02:33 AM »
It was the concept I didn't care for, not the individuals.  Now I laugh at my foolishness then, as I'm sure I'll do to myself now, in a decade.  :)
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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2015, 12:16:49 PM »
To which I would say, either this thread dies from disinterest, or else locking is probably called for.  There cannot be much gained by people (hopefully having) read all the prior posts and then posting a link that loosely applies...  But hey, this is also the hippie forum, so I'm not gonna' crush a buzz (or whatever M41 called it)...

I should have quoted a number of earlier posts that were really cranky as opposed to yours.  My apologies, as yours was mild and probably misread., and I was still feeling the negativity of those earlier posts.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »
Yup, this thread got ugly for a while which was why I'd hoped it would get locked, it's not really going anywhere at this point, or at least not anywhere on topic, even that link that brought it back to life...  Thanks for the apology too, I wasn't too scarred :)

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2015, 06:45:36 PM »
Yup, this thread got ugly for a while which was why I'd hoped it would get locked

I can confirm that there was not a single report sent to moderators about this thread.
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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2015, 08:03:08 PM »
I'm surprised Rebs' mention of his tongue piercing hasn't generated more discussion.  That's pretty badass, in the conventional meaning of the word.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2015, 08:07:28 PM »
Your post strikes me as patronizing and condescending, all while missing the point.  As others have at least partially explicated, the point of 'badassity' is more of a life philosophy than saving the last buck. 

When I ride my bike in the rain and cold, I don't feel miserable because I'm forcing myself to ride to save a buck.  I am getting fitter, helping maintain a mental mindset that doesn't reward excuses in pursuit of goals.

I agree +1.  It is 100% about attitude. If you are riding your bike just to save money you will not enjoy it.  If you ride your bike because that is what you do because it makes your life amazing (health and fitness benefits, environmental benefits, mental relexation, etc) then you will likely bike every day no matter what.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2015, 12:19:37 AM »
There's no such thing as "too far" except to the eyes of others. To you biking in the rain and haircuts is somehow too far, and that's fine. If all you can give yourself is a bowl haircut, you probably are better off letting someone else do it. Maybe for you, biking is not feasible because you live too far away or you have super dangerous highways. That doesn't mean that anyone else is "taking it too far" by biking in the rain.

To quickly illustrate why asking what is "too far" for someone is entirely a pointless exercise, I'll answer why I cut my own hair. A couple of reasons, really. There aren't many options where I live and I get anxious about having to "go" somewhere to get it done when I find I can do as good a job or better. See? Dig deeper and you can see other's justification rather than judging them on the surface. Save money is just a side benefit. Not once do I feel deprived, anxious, or upset that I'm cutting my own hair.

In my own head, I can conjure up ideas that I think are "too far". But again, a completely pointless exercise. If the activity doesn't kill or seriously harm you in any way then it's probably not "too far". Living in a tent/truck/other unusual place for our modern world would be too far by my standards, but maybe not the person doing it.

The only thing I may agree with you in is that the word "badass" may be a little misplaced since badassness is also relative. The person doing the activity or living a certain way usually doesn't see themself as "badass", yet they know others will since it isn't the norm. I agree that if you're depriving yourself to save money or just to look like a badass, you're doing it wrong. The mass majority aren't doing it for these reasons though. As I said before, go beyond face value.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2015, 07:42:16 AM »
I'm surprised Rebs' mention of his tongue piercing hasn't generated more discussion.  That's pretty badass, in the conventional meaning of the word.
It only gets a "Mustachian badass" rating if ARS did it himself.

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2015, 04:40:17 PM »
There's no such thing as "too far" except to the eyes of others. To you biking in the rain and haircuts is somehow too far, and that's fine. If all you can give yourself is a bowl haircut, you probably are better off letting someone else do it. Maybe for you, biking is not feasible because you live too far away or you have super dangerous highways. That doesn't mean that anyone else is "taking it too far" by biking in the rain.

To quickly illustrate why asking what is "too far" for someone is entirely a pointless exercise, I'll answer why I cut my own hair. A couple of reasons, really. There aren't many options where I live and I get anxious about having to "go" somewhere to get it done when I find I can do as good a job or better. See? Dig deeper and you can see other's justification rather than judging them on the surface. Save money is just a side benefit. Not once do I feel deprived, anxious, or upset that I'm cutting my own hair.

In my own head, I can conjure up ideas that I think are "too far". But again, a completely pointless exercise. If the activity doesn't kill or seriously harm you in any way then it's probably not "too far". Living in a tent/truck/other unusual place for our modern world would be too far by my standards, but maybe not the person doing it.

The only thing I may agree with you in is that the word "badass" may be a little misplaced since badassness is also relative. The person doing the activity or living a certain way usually doesn't see themself as "badass", yet they know others will since it isn't the norm. I agree that if you're depriving yourself to save money or just to look like a badass, you're doing it wrong. The mass majority aren't doing it for these reasons though. As I said before, go beyond face value.

I completely agree.  There was a thread a few months back about a guy who walked for several hours a day (something like 5-6 hours every day) to work at a factory job for over a decade straight. The general consensus was that this fellow was a incredibly stupid. I posed the question, "Why is this gentleman not considered a badass?"  He does not use a car or truck. He is not being wasteful.  It is unlikely that he is overweight or obese. He must enjoy the walk if he does it every day.  It sounds like a badass to me! :)

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2015, 05:40:39 PM »
There's no such thing as "too far" except to the eyes of others. To you biking in the rain and haircuts is somehow too far, and that's fine. If all you can give yourself is a bowl haircut, you probably are better off letting someone else do it. Maybe for you, biking is not feasible because you live too far away or you have super dangerous highways. That doesn't mean that anyone else is "taking it too far" by biking in the rain.

To quickly illustrate why asking what is "too far" for someone is entirely a pointless exercise, I'll answer why I cut my own hair. A couple of reasons, really. There aren't many options where I live and I get anxious about having to "go" somewhere to get it done when I find I can do as good a job or better. See? Dig deeper and you can see other's justification rather than judging them on the surface. Save money is just a side benefit. Not once do I feel deprived, anxious, or upset that I'm cutting my own hair.

In my own head, I can conjure up ideas that I think are "too far". But again, a completely pointless exercise. If the activity doesn't kill or seriously harm you in any way then it's probably not "too far". Living in a tent/truck/other unusual place for our modern world would be too far by my standards, but maybe not the person doing it.

The only thing I may agree with you in is that the word "badass" may be a little misplaced since badassness is also relative. The person doing the activity or living a certain way usually doesn't see themself as "badass", yet they know others will since it isn't the norm. I agree that if you're depriving yourself to save money or just to look like a badass, you're doing it wrong. The mass majority aren't doing it for these reasons though. As I said before, go beyond face value.

I completely agree.  There was a thread a few months back about a guy who walked for several hours a day (something like 5-6 hours every day) to work at a factory job for over a decade straight. The general consensus was that this fellow was a incredibly stupid. I posed the question, "Why is this gentleman not considered a badass?"  He does not use a car or truck. He is not being wasteful.  It is unlikely that he is overweight or obese. He must enjoy the walk if he does it every day.  It sounds like a badass to me! :)

Yes, funny how people love to judge him, as they drive by in their clown cars.  Related, I ride thousands of miles a year (this year between 4,000 and 6,000) on my Surly Big Dummy with electric assist, but I get comments from people that say "isn't that cheating?" yet they drove to wherever we are (brewpub or restaurant for example).

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Re: Why do you need to be a badass?
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2015, 04:33:31 AM »
Since I found MMM, here are the changes I've made:
  • Stopped myself from purchasing a car. I live in a Very Big City and public transportation is pretty great here.
  • Changed my family's phone plan from $135/month to $45/month. Still covers everyone's needs
  • Stopped buying clothes. This was huge - I was literally thinking of buying a new closet to store all the clothes I keep buying before MMM
  • Tracking my money spent
  • Started eating more healthy foods

Ironically, I now spend more money on lattes than I did before I started the MMM journey. God I love lattes! None of the changes above actually dropped my overall level of happiness, but they did result in big savings for my family.