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Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« on: May 05, 2017, 10:38:31 AM »
The past month has been a little rough with family on both sides thinking we've gone completely mad with our FIRE plans...so, I'm coming on here to toot my own horn.  We decided last September that something had to give with our financial situation.  We're in lots of debt but working our way through it with the hopes that in 4 years we would have everything sorted out finally.  We found this blog in October, and it kicked everything into overdrive (it's amazing what happens when there is a tangible goal).  In August we were spending over $5,000 a month on expenses and debt payments.  Now, we are spending less than $2,500 a month, and in 4 years it will be down to $1,900 a month (plus a little bit of inflation).  Better yet, we went from saving 3.5% of our income to 72%!  If you count the employers' 401k match, it's more like 81.5%!!

Things we've done so far:
  • Hubby got a second job
  • Pretty much had a fire sale at the house; if there was no use for it, it went
  • Cut expenses and cut some more (you know the drill, phone, tv, food, fun, etc.).  Finding ways to cut out more expenses started to become our Saturday night entertainment.
  • Sold the tent trailer (yeah, that was a stupid purchase)
  • Traded the truck in for an electric car; used financial sorcery from that to pay off high interest student loans
  • Sold the house and move into a smaller townhouse that needed some love but is close to both of our works
  • Maxed out 2 457s, 2 401ks, and 2 IRAs
  • Learned a lot about taxes, savings, travel hacking, DIY and a thousand other things from this forum and other websites.  Thanks for all you contribute!

It's been about six months, and I think we are in the groove of our new lifestyle.  Our plan is to FIRE in 10.5 years (we're both 32 now) when our youngest is a senior.  We could probably do it sooner, but we want more income to be able to travel with few restrictions.  On a more personal note, the whole FIRE concept has given me peace of mind for the first time since we were told my husband has a 50/50 chance of dying in his early 60s (yay for genetics!).  I know that he could get hit by a bus tomorrow and that medical advances happen, but the thought that we can retire and enjoy time together for 20 years instead of the chance of retiring in our 60s just in time for him to get sick has been the biggest relief. I am so happy this blog exists because I don't think I would have even thought it an option to retire at 42 before.  People thought I was crazy enough for wanting to retire in my 50s.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2017, 10:57:39 AM »
congrats on these huge accomplishments! Your kicking *ss! Sounds like you had a wake up call with your hubby (sorry to hear about that). I know after my mom passed away when she was only 65 it was super hard to know that she worked really hard all her life and didn't get to enjoy her retirement since she was too ill. I just upgraded my house since we are having a baby and some days I'm thinking what did we do... We could of paid off a smaller house in 10 years instead of now having a mortgage back up to 20... Looks like you made the smart move and downsized!

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2017, 05:24:11 PM »
Thanks! Downsizing is what has our families in an uproar. There's been a lot of fear mongering from family about the location (unwarranted) and about how we're ruining our kids' future by sending them to a terrible school (also untrue). We've been in the new place for about 6 weeks and are happy with the size and location. With as little time as we're home, it's not that big of a shock to go into smaller quarters and the thing is right next to things we love like the park and library.. There is a lot of DIY projects that have to get done, but the list is getting smaller.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2017, 07:01:19 PM »
I <3 stories like this ☺

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2017, 07:33:47 PM »
Congrats and thanks for sharing! Great to hear!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2017, 07:57:19 PM »
You *have* gone completely mad! That's a great story!! If your sane family members are rough on you, it's only because they're jealous :)

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2017, 09:09:44 PM »
Love this!  You are amazing and inspiring!

Great job!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2017, 02:06:06 AM »
You've made great decisions for great reasons, congrats!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2017, 04:48:19 AM »
Bravo ... Bravo !!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2017, 07:58:21 AM »
Awesome!! Thanks for sharing and motivating the rest of us. Fantastic job.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2017, 08:17:49 AM »
Awesome! Great job!

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2017, 08:52:55 AM »
Great job! Kudos!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2017, 09:31:10 AM »
It would be great OP if you could share some numbers, what your monthly budget was before your change and after.  $27k a year is awesome for a family of 3 (?)!  I spend probably more than that as a single person and I live pretty simply.  My rent is the killer for me in my budget, tough to hack that as I live in a expensive area.  Only thing I can do is move to a cheaper part of the country.


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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »
i have a confession to make...I forgot to add the income from the second job into the savings rate, so we're actually at 62% versus 72% :( I liked it better at 72%. If you count the employers matches, we are almost at 72%. Sigh. In a few years, we will be there.

As for a before and after snapshot with notes that help clarify things:

August

Mortgage:  $2084 x 12 = $25,012
Student loans: $370 x 12 = $4,438
Cell phone: $92 x 12 = $1,118
Daycare: $250 x 12 = $3,000 family member gives us an amazing deal
Water Sewer Trash: $108.66 x 12 = $1,304
Power & Gas: $118 x 12 = $1,410
HOA: $50 x 12 = $600
Internet: $44 x 12 = $527
Truck: $509 X 12 = $6,110
Gym: $21 x 12 = $257
Trailer: $132 x 12 = $1,582
Tv: $55 x 12 = $663
Spotify: $16 x 2 = $192
Food: $400 x 12 = $4,800
Gas: $250 x 12 = $3000
Revolving: $250 x 12 = $3,000 gifts, registration, insurance, tires, oil changes, etc.
Misc: $115 x 12 = $1,390 haircuts, clothes, and random things
Fun: $350 x 12 = $4,200

Now

Mortgage:  $669 x 12 = $7,728   
Student loans: $125 x 12 = $1,498 paid high interest ones off
Cell phone: $46 x 12 = $553 got rid of iPhones, added daughter, canceled my plan (use work phone)
Daycare: $250 x 3 = $750 only need for summer now that we live close to school and swapped work schedule a bit
Water Sewer Trash: $60 x 12 = $720 cheaper place and canceled recycling
Power & Gas: $135 x 12 = $1,620 bumped up since place is older but probably not needed
HOA: $95 x 12 = $1,140 sore spot; seller lied about this covering water sewer and trash
Internet: $50 x 12 = $600 higher since our amazing old provider doesn't service new area
Car: $408 X 12 = $4,902 0 interest and technically has a student loan rolled into
Gym: $0 x 12 = $0
Trailer: $0 x 12 = $0 sold
Tv: $0 x 12 = $0 rabbit ears now
Spotify: $0 x 2 = $0 SIL lets us use her family plan for free!
Food: $250 x 12 = $3,000 closer to $200. Feeds 2 adults and 2 schoolchildren. Coupons and care!
Gas: $100 x 12 = $1200 less commute and electric car that charges at work
Revolving: $141 x 12 = $1,692 no gift policy except kids; less car related stuff
Misc: $30 x 12 = $360 haircuts at home; quit dying my hair
Fun: $100 x 12 = $1,200 do free stuff and eat out less

Obviously the mortgage is the biggest reduction. We went from a 20 year $330k house on a 1/4 acre in the boonies that was 15+ miles away from work to a 30 year $140k townhouse in an older part of a suburban city that's less than 5 miles to one of our jobs and 1.75 miles to the other. With mortgage rates so low we could make better returns investing our money.

The student loans will hang around for another 4 years since they are 4.25% interest and putting our extra money costs us more due to increased taxes and decreased returns.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2017, 05:53:42 PM »
Wow, those are some amazing changes, that's awesome

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2017, 04:17:57 PM »
I love how you have redesigned things so that you are spending more time with your kid instead of sitting in traffic... Less childcare, less car costs AND more enjoyable!

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2017, 04:29:52 PM »
Fantastic job!! Can't wait to hear how the quality of your life improves with such short commutes!

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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2017, 04:38:13 PM »
Well done! And laughing at your family for their concern about the terrible neighborhood . . . in Utah.

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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2017, 07:15:22 PM »
Congrats!  A friend told me about this site a couple years ago but I didn't dig in until recently. It's fun.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2017, 08:41:46 PM »
This is fantastic.  I'm so impressed. 

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2017, 08:55:14 PM »
Extremely badass and very impressive. Well done.

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Re: Went from $60k+ spending a year to $27k
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2017, 09:06:43 PM »
Wow this is seriously badass -- I loved reading your story!  Major props especially for selling your house and moving closer to work -- that was a massive change (and money + time saver) and so many people have a hard time pulling that trigger.  Go you!  Keep up the awesome work.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2017, 09:22:41 PM »
i have a confession to make...I forgot to add the income from the second job into the savings rate, so we're actually at 62% versus 72% :( I liked it better at 72%. If you count the employers matches, we are almost at 72%. Sigh. In a few years, we will be there.

As for a before and after snapshot with notes that help clarify things:

August

Mortgage:  $2084 x 12 = $25,012
Student loans: $370 x 12 = $4,438
Cell phone: $92 x 12 = $1,118
Daycare: $250 x 12 = $3,000 family member gives us an amazing deal
Water Sewer Trash: $108.66 x 12 = $1,304
Power & Gas: $118 x 12 = $1,410
HOA: $50 x 12 = $600
Internet: $44 x 12 = $527
Truck: $509 X 12 = $6,110
Gym: $21 x 12 = $257
Trailer: $132 x 12 = $1,582
Tv: $55 x 12 = $663
Spotify: $16 x 2 = $192
Food: $400 x 12 = $4,800
Gas: $250 x 12 = $3000
Revolving: $250 x 12 = $3,000 gifts, registration, insurance, tires, oil changes, etc.
Misc: $115 x 12 = $1,390 haircuts, clothes, and random things
Fun: $350 x 12 = $4,200

Now

Mortgage:  $669 x 12 = $7,728   
Student loans: $125 x 12 = $1,498 paid high interest ones off
Cell phone: $46 x 12 = $553 got rid of iPhones, added daughter, canceled my plan (use work phone)
Daycare: $250 x 3 = $750 only need for summer now that we live close to school and swapped work schedule a bit
Water Sewer Trash: $60 x 12 = $720 cheaper place and canceled recycling
Power & Gas: $135 x 12 = $1,620 bumped up since place is older but probably not needed
HOA: $95 x 12 = $1,140 sore spot; seller lied about this covering water sewer and trash
Internet: $50 x 12 = $600 higher since our amazing old provider doesn't service new area
Car: $408 X 12 = $4,902 0 interest and technically has a student loan rolled into
Gym: $0 x 12 = $0
Trailer: $0 x 12 = $0 sold
Tv: $0 x 12 = $0 rabbit ears now
Spotify: $0 x 2 = $0 SIL lets us use her family plan for free!
Food: $250 x 12 = $3,000 closer to $200. Feeds 2 adults and 2 schoolchildren. Coupons and care!
Gas: $100 x 12 = $1200 less commute and electric car that charges at work
Revolving: $141 x 12 = $1,692 no gift policy except kids; less car related stuff
Misc: $30 x 12 = $360 haircuts at home; quit dying my hair
Fun: $100 x 12 = $1,200 do free stuff and eat out less

Obviously the mortgage is the biggest reduction. We went from a 20 year $330k house on a 1/4 acre in the boonies that was 15+ miles away from work to a 30 year $140k townhouse in an older part of a suburban city that's less than 5 miles to one of our jobs and 1.75 miles to the other. With mortgage rates so low we could make better returns investing our money.

The student loans will hang around for another 4 years since they are 4.25% interest and putting our extra money costs us more due to increased taxes and decreased returns.


$27k a year total is very impressive for a family of 4.  Especially with what you spend on food, gas, cell, misc/fun. $1,200 a year total on fun for a family of 4 would mean basically almost no travel, almost never eating at a restaurant, no hotels, no plane flights, no skiing, no theme parks, no purchasing of recreational equipment, etc...  Do you spend anything on clothes?   Do you have auto insurance I didn't see that listed?   Health insurance for 3 people?  Dental costs for 3 people?   Repairs or upgrades to townhouse?  Do you have to buy furniture?  Tools?  Etc...   

I eat at home and eat very simply (a lot of rice, fresh veg, fresh fruit, etc...) and I have to work hard as one person to keep it under $225/mo (don't grow anything myself).  I do like to eat healthy so I buy a lot of fresh veg/fruit....could be cheaper if I did less of that. 

Congrats and amazing to live on $27k a year with a family of 4.




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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2017, 09:56:53 PM »
Way to go!  You're an inspiration!

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2017, 11:38:27 PM »
How totally incredible and wonderful that you're finding a way to spend so much time together from 40-60! And I hope he gets many more years than that to enjoy your retirement. Cheers!

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2017, 01:42:56 PM »

$27k a year total is very impressive for a family of 4.  Especially with what you spend on food, gas, cell, misc/fun. $1,200 a year total on fun for a family of 4 would mean basically almost no travel, almost never eating at a restaurant, no hotels, no plane flights, no skiing, no theme parks, no purchasing of recreational equipment, etc...  Do you spend anything on clothes?   Do you have auto insurance I didn't see that listed?   Health insurance for 3 people?  Dental costs for 3 people?   Repairs or upgrades to townhouse?  Do you have to buy furniture?  Tools?  Etc...   

I eat at home and eat very simply (a lot of rice, fresh veg, fresh fruit, etc...) and I have to work hard as one person to keep it under $225/mo (don't grow anything myself).  I do like to eat healthy so I buy a lot of fresh veg/fruit....could be cheaper if I did less of that. 

Congrats and amazing to live on $27k a year with a family of 4.

This is my month to month spend, and you're right it doesn't include health insurance or state income tax.  I guess when things come directly out of my paycheck I don't considered them the same type of expense as the ones that I pay for and have more control over.  Health and dental insurance is cheap for us-- $90 twice a month and the cost is offset by our employers giving us $2,750 a year in HRAs and a soon to start HSA.

We do have random expenses that pop up.  I guess you could throw home repairs in that category. Most repairs fit into the misc budget or can wait until they fit into the budget.  Major upgrades are covered by extra paychecks.  We also have a lot of random income that pops up too that isn't accounted for in the numbers above.  Business travel where we were given per diem but kept our meals super cheap, mileage reimbursement, health bonuses, random prize winnings, etc. 

In the past, vacations were usually covered by extra paychecks as well.  Extra paychecks also went to "let's have some more fun!"  However, since we discovered travel hacking, vacations are becoming ridiculously cheap.  They weren't extravagant beforehand, mostly camping at the national parks and covered under the fun category.  With all of the retirement withholdings, our net paychecks are quite small now.  The sum total of all our extra paychecks per year is $1500.

As for the other things you mentioned...I hate snow, so no skiing.  My husband gets sick at theme parks, but we have a connection and are able to get into a local theme park for $5 a piece.  Recreational equipment?? We hike if that's what you mean.  Restaurants are expensive, and the food is generally unhealthy and underwhelming. We have lots of fun.  It just doesn't cost a lot. 

Furniture- We have a table, couch, beds, and dressers.  What else does one need? If any of them break, we can find super cheap ones used or even free.

Tools - I have tools and if I don't have what I need, I have family members that probably have it.

Clothes- We are fortunate enough to get too many hand-me-downs for my daughter.  My sister is always throwing clothes at me, and my work gives me at least 2 new dress shirts a year.  Department stores give me coupons for $10 off a $10 purchase all the time, and you bet I find something for $10 or $10.50 every time.  I also buy super cheap things on clearance.  You bet I grabbed those $2 sneakers that I know my son will need not need for another year.

Auto insurance is part of revolving savings and accounted for in the numbers above. 

Food-I think we eat very healthy and balanced.  My husband is crazy about things being whole grain, lots of fiber and protein, and healthy fats.  I buy very little canned and boxed stuff.  If I see a good deal, I stock up.  Boneless skinless chicken thighs were on sale for 50 cents a pound last year, and I bought 40 pounds worth and stashed them in the freezer.  Very little goes to waste.  If it doesn't get eaten, it goes in the freezer.  Veggie scraps and bones are used to make broth. 

Will this budget work forever?  No, I have kids that will eventually become teenagers, and then the food budget will need some serious bulking up at that point. Does the $27,000 cover every possible expense that could come up in a year?  Probably not, but neither did the $60,000 budget.  This is part of the reason why we are planning to FIRE with a higher yearly income (other reasons are inflation and the desire to travel more and have more discretionary income to help our kids/grandkids).  Am I pleased with my progress? You betcha!

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2017, 01:49:54 PM »
Well done! And laughing at your family for their concern about the terrible neighborhood . . . in Utah.

Yeah...I think our most frequent argument in all of this is "It's Utah!"  And no, we aren't moving to Ogden or Rose Park or [insert city you've heard the scariest rumors about].  The whole "Title 1 schools are the devil" thing was getting thrown around a lot too until we pointed out that both sides of the family live in Title 1 neighborhoods.  I know they mean well, but dang they were getting a little high and mighty!

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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2017, 01:56:04 PM »
And thanks for all the encouragement!  Sometimes people make us feel absolutely crazy for what we're doing.  I did get an approving nod from my father once I explained to him that it wasn't necessarily about never working again but more about having the freedom to change careers or cut back hours or do whatever I wanted/needed at that point and time. 

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2017, 06:11:54 PM »
Congrats.  Regarding the naysayers ... shake it off.  Sounds like your priorities make very good sense.  Can you pay down the mortgage faster without any penalties, once the other debts are cleared?

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2017, 05:14:18 PM »
Well done! And laughing at your family for their concern about the terrible neighborhood . . . in Utah.

I used to live in Utah.  You have to watch out for all those Mormon meth-heads.  :-)

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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2017, 07:06:29 PM »
Well done! And laughing at your family for their concern about the terrible neighborhood . . . in Utah.

I used to live in Utah.  You have to watch out for all those Mormon meth-heads.  :-)

Have to laugh at this. I moved to a town with much less crime than where I came from (in another part of the Midwest). Some colleagues were talking about the "bad neighborhoods" in town. One of them is originally from Somalia.

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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2017, 09:32:01 PM »
High five:)! - that is impressive - badass territory!

Having the guts to sell your house and move into a townhouse is killer. It's really a simple thing to do, but people find it unfathomable that one can act out of the ordinary to kill that debt. Certainly improved your family life. A short commute is a wonderful thing!
You go girl!

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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2017, 02:52:20 PM »
Excellent.. I would have done this for the sheer pleasure of giving my family something to gossip about.

My reaction when I got push back would have been "and its none of your business!"

My family have derided me all my life for being cheap.. Not laughing so much now post FIRE..:)

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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2017, 04:10:13 PM »
Wow, that's super impressive! Curious about one thing though- you said you canceled your recycling service, does this mean you haul your own stuff to a recycling center or do you just throw it all in with the trash now?

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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2017, 12:05:35 PM »
Wow, that's super impressive! Curious about one thing though- you said you canceled your recycling service, does this mean you haul your own stuff to a recycling center or do you just throw it all in with the trash now?

Recycling in my area is a tough issue.  They shut down the recycling service at our waste district because they could no longer justify the expense (lack of use, curbside recycling businesses, drop in price of recyclables, etc.).  Curbside recycling around here hauls the waste a loooooong ways away to the closest recycling plant, so there's the debate as to whether you are doing more harm than good using that. 

2 main factors that went into the decision to cancel:
1. Recycling is not available in the area we moved to.  I could push the issue with our HOA to get a dumpster, but...
2. Our waste facility is about to do a major overhaul and will sort garbage and recycling from the same can.  They want to get rid of the curbside recyclable companies that are hauling the waste to who knows where.

Since we don't buy much, we don't have a lot of waste anymore.  We do have recycling at both our works and my parents have a can, so I try to make an effort to throw things away there versus our house. 
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2017, 12:44:04 PM »
That's good to hear! I'm glad you gave it some serious thought, that's a pretty frustrating decision to have to make to begin with. And I like your approach now- recycling is ideal if you have recyclable waste, but it's better to not create that waste to begin with!

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2017, 10:29:29 AM »
Thanks for your super-inspiring story.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!