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Ubuntu !!
« on: January 12, 2018, 11:04:24 AM »
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So here's the story.  My Vista PC must be 7 or 8 years old.  Yes, I said, "Vista".  I think it was one of the last ones shipped. I remember being annoyed at the time that they did not upgrade me to Windows 7.   But it is a high-powered computer with an Intel  i-7 chip, and replacement would cost at least $700.

Vista has been fine, but Microsoft has stopped all support of the operating system, and my Chrome browser is also warning me that support has stopped and I believe Firefox support will stop this year.  I am afraid if I just keep merrily using Vista operating system I will suddenly find I have no working browsers, not to mention the anti-virus software might not be working properly on the non-supported, non-updated operating system.

So I decide to bite the bullet and pay $120 or so to upgrade the operating system to Windows 10.  Rather than just buy the OS I try to contact Microsoft to find out the best way to do the upgrade. Of course there is no good way to contact them. Then I try to contact Dell (Computer was purchased directly from Dell) and send an email explaining my situation, explain that the hardware is pretty good, and just want to find out the best way to upgrade to Windows 10.  They reply claiming they don't know if my Vista computer (which is no longer supported) can handle Windows 10 and they recommend I buy a new computer and they would be glad to help me configure and purchase a new computer. Gee thanks!

So I research Ubuntu (Linux) operating system, and first I run it on my computer from a flash drive, and it seemed to work pretty well. It is completely free, although they ask for donations. One nice thing about running Ubuntu is I can still access files that are on the computer in the old Windows area.  I have backed up everything just in case.  So after running Ubuntu from a flash drive for a couple of weeks I finally installed it yesterday.  I created a partition and installed it on my computer without deleting the Windows Vista operating system.  So now when I boot up my computer I am given the choice of Ubuntu or Windows Vista, and if I do nothing it starts with Ubuntu. I can still access all my old files and the operating system works well.  It comes with spreadsheet and word processing software that are compatible with MS excel and Word. 

I am happy with this setup,  I will even go back and pay for the software (I will make a small donation), and best of all I can say, "screw you" to Microsopht !
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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2018, 11:19:54 AM »
I have used Ubuntu since 2010.  No worries about viruses.  I hardly use Windows 10 but have it on another disk just in case.  Today most programs have a version in Linux or are web based. 

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2018, 12:06:30 PM »
Congrats on converting. We haven't owned a Windows computer since XP. We've used Arch Linux, Fedora, openSUSE, Slackware/Slax, Gentoo, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu, and probably some other distributions I'm forgetting. I truly believe Linux is a superior operating system to Windows, even ignoring the cost. Ubuntu is a great place to start.

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2018, 12:33:24 PM »
it is a high-powered computer with an Intel  i-7 chip, and replacement would cost at least $700.
I know it's not the point of your thread, but just a nitpick here.  "Core i7" is just a brand.  The oldest i7 CPUs are much less powerful than current ones, and even less powerful than the newest i3 CPUs.  Example (copy and paste since the stupid brackets in the URL freak out the forum formatting):
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https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=849&cmp[]=3114This is the cheapest current Kaby Lake i3 laptop processor (the kind that would come in a shitty $400-new laptop) compared to the most powerful of the oldest (2010) Arrandale i7 laptop processors.

I'm not saying an upgrade is warranted, but just know the facts.

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 08:42:46 AM »
Thanks @ketchup , good to know!   My computer has =>>      Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz × 8



Intel Core i7-920 @ 2.67GHz 
Average CPU Mark     4945
Socket: LGA1366
Clockspeed: 2.7 GHz
Turbo Speed: 2.9 GHz
No of Cores: 4 (2 logical cores per physical)
Typical TDP: 130 W

Other names:  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
CPU First Seen on Charts:  Q4 2008
CPUmark/$Price:  13.74     Overall Rank:  653
Last Price Change:  $359.95 USD (2010-07-04)
   
Single Thread Rating: 1164
Samples: 4901*
*Margin for error: Low

And this graph illustrates your point about modern processors being much more powerful.


« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 08:46:10 AM by TreeTired »
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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 10:58:09 AM »
Thanks @ketchup , good to know!   My computer has =>>      Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz × 8



Intel Core i7-920 @ 2.67GHz 
Average CPU Mark     4945
Socket: LGA1366
Clockspeed: 2.7 GHz
Turbo Speed: 2.9 GHz
No of Cores: 4 (2 logical cores per physical)
Typical TDP: 130 W

Other names:  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
CPU First Seen on Charts:  Q4 2008
CPUmark/$Price:  13.74     Overall Rank:  653
Last Price Change:  $359.95 USD (2010-07-04)
   
Single Thread Rating: 1164
Samples: 4901*
*Margin for error: Low

And this graph illustrates your point about modern processors being much more powerful.
Ah, desktop CPU.  Not sure why I thought you were talking about a laptop.

Here's your CPU compared to the cheapest current desktop i3:
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https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=834&cmp[]=2924
Intel Core i3-7100 @ 3.90GHz
$113.99 BUY NOW!
Socket Type   LGA1151
CPU Class   Desktop
Clockspeed   3.9 GHz
Turbo Speed   Not Supported
# of Physical Cores   2 (2 logical cores per physical)
Max TDP   51W
First Seen on Chart   Q1 2017
# of Samples   488
Single Thread Rating   2233
CPU Mark   5850

And your CPU's current counterpart:

Intel Core i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz  + Compare   
Average CPU Mark 16269
Description: Intel UHD Graphics 630
Socket: FCLGA1151
Clockspeed: 3.7 GHz
Turbo Speed: 4.7 GHz
No of Cores: 6 (2 logical cores per physical)
Typical TDP: 95 W

Other names:  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz
CPU First Seen on Charts:  Q4 2017
CPUmark/$Price:  42.93     Overall Rank:  65
Last Price Change:  $379 USD (2018-01-09)


Single Thread Rating: 2731
Samples: 909*
*Margin for error: Low
« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 03:29:51 PM by ketchup »

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 11:51:04 AM »
Congratulations and welcome to the cult.  ;-)

Linux has been my primary operating system since 1994, and
various flavors of Unix prior to then.

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 10:18:40 AM »
Linux has been my primary operating system since 1994, and
various flavors of Unix prior to then.

Since 1996 for me. I don't remember when I stopped dual-booting, but it was a long time ago. I finished business school without excel, maybe once borrowing someone else's computer for an assignment in statistics class. Otherwise, I've used very little Apple or Microsoft hardware or software since and don't miss it.

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 06:03:02 AM »
Linux has been my primary operating system since 1994, and
various flavors of Unix prior to then.

Since 1996 for me. I don't remember when I stopped dual-booting, but it was a long time ago. I finished business school without excel, maybe once borrowing someone else's computer for an assignment in statistics class. Otherwise, I've used very little Apple or Microsoft hardware or software since and don't miss it.

I occasionally run Windows on VirtualBox VM under Linux, due to a work-related
reasons (e.g. someone sends me something that can only be run under Windows),
but otherwise never use it.  Having it available as a VM means I no longer need to
configure machines as dual-boot.
 

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 03:32:00 PM »
Linux has been my primary operating system since 1994, and
various flavors of Unix prior to then.

Since 1996 for me. I don't remember when I stopped dual-booting, but it was a long time ago. I finished business school without excel, maybe once borrowing someone else's computer for an assignment in statistics class. Otherwise, I've used very little Apple or Microsoft hardware or software since and don't miss it.

I occasionally run Windows on VirtualBox VM under Linux, due to a work-related
reasons (e.g. someone sends me something that can only be run under Windows),
but otherwise never use it.  Having it available as a VM means I no longer need to
configure machines as dual-boot.
Microsoft has a page to download a VM of Windows 10.
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines

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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2018, 09:36:45 PM »
DW's beloved, but costly in its time, MacBook Air recently became no longer up to the task. 2 GB of soldered RAM, failing battery, and a hard drive too small (when decluttered) to download the next update, meant it really wasn't up for much. She clung to the OSX platform and the 11" size factor.

Luckily I was able to sell her on a few of my skills. We pulled in a refurbished 11" Acer that had non-soldered RAM and an actual 2.5" hard drive (do you have ANY idea how hard it is to find those two items in an 11" platform?). Swapped in an 8 GB stick of RAM and a 256 GB SSD installed Elementary OS (Ubuntu based OSX clone) and away we go. She has an android phone so luckily she already orbits the Google ecosystem for photos and calendars.

Of course when you go as cheap as I did ... well you have a few hiccups. The worst of which was poor grouping of the track pad that required soldering a new grounding wire to the track pad and running it to the chassis for ground.

The end result? No complaints from the DW at a cost of 1/5th of the price of her mother's brand new MacBook (MacBook Air only comes in the 13", whereas MacBook still has an 11" form factor).

Of course after the Spectre and Meltdown patches my computer is now maxing out its CPU at times and it might be time to consider another "upgrade" just to browse the internet.


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Re: Ubuntu !!
« Reply #11 on: Today at 06:00:30 AM »
Good work! I still dual-boot, but as time goes by I use Windows less. There are still utilities and especially games I use/play that are much friendlier with Windows than Ubuntu. If all you wanted to do was browse the net, use office software, and do stuff with digital photos (probably 90% of my computer use) then Ubuntu ought to suit you just fine.

To be accurate, I actually prefer Lubuntu. Lubuntu is designed to run fast on older PCs as well, so you can get away with cheaper hardware.
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