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Saving on car repairs.
« on: February 29, 2012, 10:18:23 PM »
Avoid driving a car. 

But if you must, fix and maintain it yourself.  Most libraries have Haynes or Chilton repair manuals, and even more information can be found on the internet.  Useable tools are cheaper than you think (craigslist and the pawn shop), and should you need a specialty tool, call around to the parts stores and local shops, some will rent out tools for very cheap. 

Parts stores have accounts for wholesale customers that are automatically set up with discounts attached.  If you happen to work at a place that has one of those accounts, most stores will allow you to use the discount on the account, but pay cash instead of charging to the business.  If your employer has any sort of a self maintained fleet, maintenance shop, or even in house grounds keeping, they probably have an account set up somewhere.  Find out where and use it. 

If you don't work somewhere with an account, pick a single parts store and get to know the people working there.  Most parts stores are effectively also hardware stores, so buy everything you reasonably need from them and remember the employees names.  Eventually ask to set up a house account, generally those come with a little discount and the employees with be much more likely to give you deals or alert you to sales, etc. 

Also, always ALWAYS ask if there is a cheaper option.  Chassis parts (ball joints, etc) are a good example of this.  There will generally be a name brand, and a store brand.  The name brand often comes with a lifetime warranty, where the store brand only comes with a one to five year warranty.  Ball joints are a common seller, but even on the worst of cars they will typically last around 75,000 miles.  The name brand will generally cost at least twice as much as the budget line, so if you are repairing the car yourself, you would have to replace the part 2 more times before the lifetime warranty would matter.  Budget parts will meet the manufacturers quality, so if you got 75,000 on the first one, you can expect to get 75,000 on the replacement as well.  Therefore, the car would have 225,000 miles before you bought the second replacement and the Moog part made sense.  Even at 10,000 miles per year (27 miles per day average) it would take 15 years before you saved money by paying double for a longer warranty. 

Now, to shoot a few holes in my argument, this does not account for inflation, and is only valid if you are not paying labor.  But, it also does not account for the interest you can earn on the difference over the 7 years before you spend the other half of the money (hopefully more than inflation), and you should DIY the repair anyways.  The big one is that you are effectively gambling that the replacement parts will in fact be as good as the original, and this is where you need to use some judgement.  Try and establish how and why the part failed before going in, if a bolt is sheared, make sure that bolt on the cheap replacement looks well made.  Many times if you compare the house line to the name brand, you will find that the parts are the exact same design, sometimes made by the same company, and I have even seen the house brand part stamped with the name brand logo. 

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Re: Saving on car repairs.
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 11:02:46 AM »
+1

Let me add that if it is new to you it can be a little intimidating, but I promise it is much much easier when you get into it than you think.  Case in point, while I was on the East Coast my girlfriend, who had never done so much as her own oil change before meeting me, got a flat tire and changed it completely on her own, which then gave her the confidence to successfully remove her own power steering system in order to get better gas mileage for the drive across the country (to visit her family and pick me up).

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should you need a specialty tool, call around to the parts stores and local shops, some will rent out tools for very cheap
The major chain auto parts stores (Autozone and O'Reily) both let you borrow specialized auto tools for free, at least where I live.


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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 04:22:19 AM »
I never realised you could rent auto repair tools! Thanks for the tip!

Curious if anyone has experience doing their own maintenance on some of the more computer-heavy cars? I'm moving back to the US later this year, and intending buying a Prius (I figure if I need to buy a car anyway, I might as well get one that lowers my fuel consumption). I've done a small amount of maintenance myself before, like changing a tire and changing the oil (well, assisting while my uncle changed the oil at least). I wonder how much of the work I'll realistically be able to do myself  in a 'more sophisticated' car compared to what I'll need to consult someone with more experience and specialised equipment? *is a total newbie*

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 05:43:12 AM »
Computer Heavy cars aren't as computer heavy as you think. As a former Audi S4 owner I can attest. I was pretty intimidated at first coming from experience with GM V6's and V8's. All that crazy vacum hose plumping and turbo. But I eventually figured it out it after.

As for the Prius, well that one's totally new to me. But there are certain parts of a car that never really change that are all part of the daily life and wear of the car. Brakes, Greased Joints, Air Filter, Belts, Oil & Filter, Fuel Filter, Rotating tires, etc. I doubt you'll be servicing the batteries yourself, but I wouldn't worry to much.

Here is another great bit, if you buy a popular car, like the Prius, chances are there are more than one forum on the internet with owners, where you should be able to ask question, find DIY's and advice.

Car forums where my life for awhile, and I can't count the times a car forum helped me fix something on one of my Camaro's.

Good luck.

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 09:35:00 AM »

Curious if anyone has experience doing their own maintenance on some of the more computer-heavy cars?

As Mike Key said, most of the more common maintenance is the same, but all the same, this is one good reason for buying used - and it totally undermines the common notion that an older car will cost more in repairs in the long-run, because you can do more of the repairs yourself with older, simpler cars.  Its not just the computers, everything in modern cars is more complex and proprietary, from electric windows to power brakes.

If you want a hybrid though, and you can find one, the original Gen 1 Honda Insight blows the Prius out of the water in terms of fuel mileage: almost 70mpg for an average driver - which means about 100 for a hypermiler (w/ the manual transmission).  Blue book is $5000, they are selling on my local CL for $6000.

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 01:09:19 AM »
My daughter and I changed the battery on her car tonight.  I have now successfully changed 2 batteries!  We youtubed it and set to work.  This coming from 2 women who have never changed our own oil, etc. 
A question for you people in the know - do you really save money changing your own oil?  I'd be willing to learn to do it, but I always heard it wasn't much of a money saver compared to Jiffy Lube, plus they check other fluids, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 09:00:06 AM »
Last I checked a Jiffy Lube oil change was around $40, you can buy the oil and filter for around $20 at normal prices, or closer to $15 if you catch a sale.  As far as checking the other fluids goes, most of what they do consists of simply looking at the fluids to ensure they are full, and testing the coolant.  You can buy a coolant tester for about $5 to $10 and it will last many years.  If you should need to fill the other fluids, brake and power steering are both $3 to $4 for a bottle, a gallon of coolant can be had for around $10 to $15 (and will last for a long time) and washer fluid should never be more than $3.  Your initial investment may be more than the $40, but the things you will buy will last for a long time. 

If you live in a northern climate, many shops burn old oil to heat the shop during the winter, and are therefore happy to take it free of charge.  Otherwise check with your parts store to find out where there is a disposal facility, these are generally free as well. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 09:23:30 AM »
I had a car with a manual transmission. I took it to Jiffy Lube for several oil changes, and they gave me a report saying all the fluid levels were fine. Later, while I was driving home on the interstate, my transmission popped out of gear. There had been a slow transmission fluid leak, and by the time it showed any symptoms, it was beyond repair. I bet Jiffy Lube hadn't even checked the transmission fluid level, they just checked the box.

So, even if you have something done professionally, it doesn't mean it was done right. The best protection against this is to know enough to double-check other people's work, and by the time you get there, you might as well do it yourself.

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 01:05:13 PM »
Hi

I have done the majority of repairs on my cars for the last 20 years, everything from brakes to clutches.  I avoid exhaust work because it's usually hot and scratchy and I don't have a cutting torch yet.

Haynes used to be your friend but now YouTube is your friend when repairing cars.  Watching someone do a job is usually much better than any description in a manual.  I recently learned the value of an air chisel when removing pressed in GM wheel bearing assemblies.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 01:11:16 PM »
totally agree on youtube. 

The internet gives you the power of the gods, man. I can't imagine life without it anymore. There is just so much FREE information on every subject you can imagine.

Specifically with repair and maintenance work though, seeing it done real time on video makes it much easier than following a short paragraph of instructions with 2 small black and white pictures.

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 01:23:29 PM »
You can save big money by doing repairs yourself.  However, one thing I've experienced is that while those books may help you complete a repair, they aren't that great at diagnosing what the problem is being caused by. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 07:44:39 PM »
You can save big money by doing repairs yourself.  However, one thing I've experienced is that while those books may help you complete a repair, they aren't that great at diagnosing what the problem is being caused by.

Yeah I have been contemplating starting a thread on the very same subject. WHile I am fairly confident in my ability to figure out how to replace a random car part, I still have to know what needs replacing.

So what is the best way to find out exactly what is wrong with your car without taking it to the shop?

If it is throwing up an engine light Autozone will check the code for free, but not everything has a sensor. in fact most things don't especially on older cars.


One way would be to try to accurately note the symptoms and then ask in an automotive forum.


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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 07:29:34 AM »
You can save big money by doing repairs yourself.  However, one thing I've experienced is that while those books may help you complete a repair, they aren't that great at diagnosing what the problem is being caused by.

One way would be to try to accurately note the symptoms and then ask in an automotive forum.

Googling symptoms is also great and sometimes repairs are obvious.  However, sometimes repairs aren't.  I've got a vehicle at the dealer today and a $92 diagnostic.  This is after trying to figure it out myself, and two other mechanics, and 8 different trips trying to get the issue fixed. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2012, 08:18:29 AM »
Googling symptoms is also great and sometimes repairs are obvious.  However, sometimes repairs aren't.  I've got a vehicle at the dealer today and a $92 diagnostic.  This is after trying to figure it out myself, and two other mechanics, and 8 different trips trying to get the issue fixed.

Time to call into Car Talk.

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 01:02:24 PM »
Once you can do your own maintenance, you can save a ton of money by getting parts off junked cars. There are open junkyards you can visit and pull your own parts, as well as parts dealers that do most of the work for you.

I had to replace a $400 part on my girlfriend's Prius right before she sold it (I moved in and we definitely didn't need two cars). But I found a nearby parts dealer with a same-model totalled Prius and they pulled the part for me, then charged me about $125.

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2012, 09:12:01 AM »
autozone has free tool lending program for many specialty tools. You buy the tool, and then return it for full credit.  They word it as being a deposit and a refund, where you can just keep the tool. I find the tools are often beat up a bit and never have the desire to keep them. :)