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I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« on: July 11, 2024, 04:53:58 PM »
I had an upcoming family event in San Diego, and decided it was a great opportunity to drive there and back from Colorado, and camp along the way. A testing of the waters for the possibilities of slow & cheap travel now that I am FIREd, as well as a confidence building exercise after recently leaving a bad relationship. This would be the first time I'd ever camped alone, so I did have some anxiety around this.

I got a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek a few months back, and one of the reasons I wanted this car was because I would be able to lie entirely flat in the back, and could thus explore car camping, something I've done a single time before, and have wanted to explore more as a protected way to camp and a cheap method to travel overnight by car.

I picked up a few things to help make this happen:

- Therm-a-rest mat - $25 used off of Facebook Marketplace. It's a bit longer than what I need, but the price was right and it works great. I think it's a older model as you do have to manually blow it up, but it doesn't take much effort to do so.

- Sierra Designs women's sleeping bag - Also $25, and used a single time, from Facebook Marketplace. Very happy with the bag thus far, and as a bonus its material makes it really easy to shove into its storage bag. Made sure to get a women's-specific bag as well - my last sleeping bag was too long for me and left my feet cold, and I have since learned that it's best to have a bag that matches your height, and that women's bags have more insulation in the feet area. Not that I really needed the warmth for most of the trip, but will be good for future trips.

- Windshield sun shade - $6. I needed one of these anyhow given how hot my car gets in the sun, this served well as a privacy shield.

- Netted car window shades - $9 plus shipping. I bought these after reading someone's article on camping in a Subaru, as they make it possible to sleep with the windows rolled down while not letting any insects in. Very glad for this purchase - and the dark netting gives some additional privacy as a bonus.


First night was spent in Lower Piedra Campground close to Durango, CO. Pretty basic campsite with pit toilets and fire pit with attached grill. $27 for the night (paid in cash) which feels high for camping but based on some searching it seems this is the general price point for many campsites in Colorado these days. Pretty sparsely populated campground - and mostly RVs - and my site was right by a small river which made for nice background noise. This was the only site where I was able to build a fire, as everything west/south had fire restrictions or wood gathering restrictions.

I headed into New Mexico the next day. Did a bit of hiking in Bista/De-Na-Zin Wilderness, which was free, had few other visitors, with other worldly rock formations and very little shade. For Night 2, I camped at Bluewater Campground. This was a great campsite for the price - $8 a night with hot showers. You had to keep pushing the button to get the hot water out, but for that price I'm not complaining. Lake and nearby canyon were beautiful. Horse poop everywhere as there was a wild horse population in the area (with distant neighing at times), but it was mostly dried. I was lucky to be there on a weekday night, as the campsite was sparsely populated. There wasn't much tree or other separation between sites so I could see that being there when the site was at capacity could feel overcrowded. Nice & cool at night which helped me sleep well (along with my surprise hot shower!). High wind as well - I brought a campstove with butane and needed the case to block the wind, so I was able to make my dinner ramen and breakfast coffee & oatmeal successfully. Also had the chance to chat with a woman who'd been solo camping with her dog for years now and really enjoyed doing it, so got some good tips from her.

I headed west into Arizona the next morning. I stopped in Flagstaff for lunch and ended up paying $17 + tip for a fairly decent tamale, beans dumped directly out of a can, and a very sad salad. I either should have done my research or should have stuck to camp food, oops!

After a bit of kayaking on Lake Mary (with a $5 day use fee IIRC), I took a detour to Sedona for a short hike, and then treated myself to a $3 bag of Cheetos Puffs. This  put me a bit late getting into my planned campsite in Prescott National Forest, and the site was completely full. I continued driving into the park and discovered a dispersed camping area, but all of those spots were full as well. As it was getting dark, I ended up driving down a random dirt road (and discovered the next morning the "road closed" sign, oops) and pulling off to the side once I found an area to do so. Some trees in the area were marked for removal, and a few had already been taken down, with holes remaining where there trunks were. This worked out very well for me, considering I otherwise would have had to dig my own poopin' hole. No time for dinner thanks to dusk,  so I chowed down on a cucumber and prepped for bed. It was very unnerving being alone in a foreign park in the woods at night, and I had a terrible time falling asleep until I accidentally triggered my car alarm, promptly waking up everything in the area. I then realized that I was surrounded by birds and rodents and, in the distance, a barking dog, and really had nothing to worry about, and was eventually able to fall asleep. The next morning was lovely having absolutely no one around while I enjoyed my breakfast, and I'd like to work towards getting over my "being alone in the woods at night" anxiety to enjoy this style of camping more (the "in a locked car" part makes it feel silly, though to be fair my paranoid mind was worried about my open back windows). Price: $0!

I made the very intelligent decision to arrive in Joshua Tree the next day around noon (a $30 spurge - I hadn't originally had this on my schedule but the woman I chatted with in NM highly encouraged this visit), and the entire time I was in the park the temperature was in the triple digits. I had hoped to camp in the park, but learned that you had to pre-register, and I had zero internet as well as not nearly as much water as I probably needed. So I stuck to many short hikes as I worked my way northwest across the park, and ended up grabbing a campsite right outside the park, at Black Rock Canyon Campground.

This was $25 (and close enough to the suburbs that I could access internet to purchase in advance online), but I expected a higher price being so close to Joshua Tree. (There was dispersed camping on the end I came in, which would have been nice, but that would have been a looong drive back). It was a nice site, and a better planner than I would camp there and either hike Joshua Tree in the evening, or first thing in the morning. A fair number of people at the site, but I had a site at the edge of the campground and angled my car towards the park and the Joshua Trees so it didn't feel too overpeopled. Very beautiful, lots of interesting birds to watch and squirrels who were very interested in my meal. I picked up supplies to make wraps at a local Save a Lot, which ended up roughly the cost to buy a nice pre-made wrap, with plenty of leftovers.

The campsite had bathrooms with running water and sinks. I was very grateful for this as, when I filled my water container at the water pump, I failed to notice the many many bees clustered around the pump and spigot until several of them were already in my water bottle. Oops!

Next few nights were at an airbnb with a hot shower with a knob that I only had to twist once and the hot water kept coming out, which felt wonderful.

The trip back is a bit less exciting as I wanted to make good time (or as good of time as you can make when trying to drive anywhere near LA), and managed to get all the way across Nevada on Day 1. I took US 15, and camped at Virgin River Canyon Campground in the northwest corner of Arizona. Got there just as dusk hit, which incidentally was around the time the temperature dipped below 100 degrees fahrenheit. This site ended up costing $0 despite my best efforts to pay for it. There was a QR code at each campsite you could use to pay. I could not get any network access, and they neither provided wifi nor accepted cash. I figured if a camp host came and bothered me, I'd explain the predicament and try to give them cash. No one came and bothered me, so I figured they must not need my money if they made it this difficult to pay them. I was the only one in my part of the campsite until later that evening when I was in bed, and a camper and car rolled in. It was an absolutely beautiful area that I slept terribly in, thanks to the heat (and thanks to a mystery object that landed in my eye and stayed there until mid-morning the next day).


The rest of the trip I treated myself. Lunch was in Richfield, Utah at a place called The Ideal Dairy. Place was pretty legit, my milkshake & Santa Fe beef bagel sandwich were heavy and luscious. I think I paid around $14 with tip.

I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express  in Silt, CO using some IHG points for the final night (so another $0 night). After the poor sleep I got the night before, it felt very luxurious, and I enjoyed the labor-free breakfast buffet the next morning very much.

Overall the trip felt very successful. I hadn't set a budget, nor did I track spending outside of what I noted above, but my main expense was gas. Nice cheap way to travel and enjoy nature.

I'm hoping to do some more car camping soon, possibly a drive to Iowa as well as overnight trips to nearby hiking/kayaking destinations. A few things I'm wanting to figure out are:

- More privacy/light-blocking. Thinking it would be pretty easy to make a curtain for the back window, and something curtain-like to hang across the front row of seats. Ideally something a bit translucent, similar to the window covers, so I could have some visibility outside.

- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit. Something bear-resistant for food storage could be useful as well, as I worry about camping in bear country with the food inside my car - if I put the windows down, would a bear try to get inside? That'll keep me up at night in the woods if I don't solve that problem.

- I only needed the sleeping bag the first night, and it was too warm after that, so I might bring a light sheet as well in the future, as well as a battery-powered fan for nights with little breeze.

- Investing in a road atlas. I checked one out of the library for this trip, and was glad I did for the times I didn't have internet access. Good place to keep notes on good campsites, etc. as well.

Anyhow, this was a very long post. Hope this was interesting or useful to anyone who read through it, and am very open to advice and tips from more seasoned car campers!

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2024, 07:25:02 PM »
Very cool! Lots of MMM types are into car camping as a means of inexpensive travel and a way to get out to more remote locations. Some of us also do it solo and it's great (welcome to the tribe). @lhamo  has a thread going in the DIY subforum about solo car camping so check it out.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/do-it-yourself-forum!/exploring-carvantruck-camping-tell-me-your-storiesgive-me-advice/
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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2024, 09:47:29 AM »
Very cool! Lots of MMM types are into car camping as a means of inexpensive travel and a way to get out to more remote locations. Some of us also do it solo and it's great (welcome to the tribe). @lhamo  has a thread going in the DIY subforum about solo car camping so check it out.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/do-it-yourself-forum!/exploring-carvantruck-camping-tell-me-your-storiesgive-me-advice/

Oh I missed that thread, will check it out, thank you!

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2024, 10:36:15 AM »
We "camp" in our fancy-pants 2012 RV, but we don't like to pay for campsites. We drive between NorCal and CO often.

A few tips for your collection. In Nevada, rest stops allow 18 hour stopovers. A few sites have developed areas with picnic tables, bbqs and trash cans. We take Hwy 50 through Nevada, because there's little truck traffic. We have two places we like on Hwy 50. One is Bean Flat and the other is Eureka. No restrooms at either, so be prepared. You can Google NV rest stops to see them all.

In Utah and Colorado, most of the rest stops say "No Camping". They also have signs admonishing against "Drowsy Driving". Translation: you may park overnight, provided you're somewhat circumspect about it. No tents, for example. Some one them have amazing restrooms. All for Free Ninety-Nine.

Bonus: Don't park close to big rigs, because they're noisy AF. They're most useful for indicating places where it's okay to stop overnight.

« Last Edit: July 14, 2024, 05:31:27 AM by Dicey »

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2024, 07:03:32 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to write all that out -- sounds like an epic first voyage!

OK, maybe it is time for me to dig through my camping gear and see what exactly TheX left me.  I'm driving a load of stuff to his house to pick up DD in a couple of weeks and it would be fun to stop and camp somewhere on the way back for a night or two.  I already bought a one burner butane stove and a solar chargeable generator (both on sale).

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2024, 08:23:56 PM »
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- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit. Something bear-resistant for food storage could be useful as well, as I worry about camping in bear country with the food inside my car - if I put the windows down, would a bear try to get inside? That'll keep me up at night in the woods if I don't solve that problem.

If it's helpful, you can find a list of certified bear-proof products here: https://igbconline.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/240612_Certified_Products_List.pdf

It sounds like your food game will get dialed in with just a little more practice! My goal is usually to eat not-that-differently than I do at home, while also minimizing cooking, cleaning, and general fuss. For me, that means if I bring a cooler, I eat a lot of salads & wraps, and maybe bring some frozen jars of homemade soup/curry/chili. When I am traveling without a cooler, I like those little pouches of Indian-inspired food (like this: https://www.mayakaimal.com/products/red-lentil-butternut-squash-coconut-organic-everyday-dal/).

Your trip sounds great!

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2024, 08:44:29 PM »
I saw a lot of the country this way when I was a student. Car, tent and bike and off I went. I miss it sometimes but spouse and others I travel with lately prefer a hotel room and tasty dinner after a long day on the road.  I’m off to Chicago then driving back west next week with a furry co-pilot who also demands fancy accommodations…

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2024, 04:17:40 AM »
I once had a little Mazda 121 Metro. It took me through the back blocks of Australia, car camping. The front passenger seat could lie flat, and was comfortable enough to sleep on. I had a little stove, some knives, eating utensils, bowls and a couple of billys, a box for vegetables, and another box for staples (including cans of food that won’t go off). I had several 10 litre water containers, a sleeping bag and some clothes. With this setup, I visited a lot of remote National Parks, which mainly had pit toilets and no showers (being desert, water isn’t supplied in a number of these places). It was a fantastic setup!

I’ll never forget the looks on everyone’s faces when I turned up at Cameron’s Corner in my little Mazda - I think the smallest other vehicle there was twice the size! Very few of these places had rangers - they were just a bit too remote.

After the Mazda met its maker, I bought a small SUV with a good clearance (so that I could tackle most dirt roads) but without 4wd (I figure that travelling by yourself is ok, but it’s better not to travel true 4wd roads without company). Its seats don’t go flat, but I made sure the rear part folded flat and that it was big enough for me to sleep in. The back seat folds in two parts - wide and narrow. I got high density foam rubber that fits exactly into the wider space when that side of the rear seat is folded down, and got it cut into three cushions that I covered. I shortened sheets to fit the resulting mattress, and use a doona and sheets. Occasionally I need a blanket on top. I have several solar items of equipment - a solar recharger for my phone and a solar lamp. I use town caravan camping grounds every so often when I’m car camping, so I can use their laundry to wash clothes and their ablution block to shower etc.

I like the setup when I’m by myself, because it’s very easy to pack up and leave a camping site if there are any hooligans around. There’s no tent to pack or anything like that. Often I’ve been the only person in the park, or there have been very few others, so there hasn’t been a problem of losing my campsite if I go elsewhere to walk a trail and then come back.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2024, 08:49:43 AM »
Epic trip, thanks for sharing.

RE bear concerns: Developed USFS campgrounds generally provide metal boxes for food if bears are a concern. If there are no food boxes and no signage about bears on the info board I wouldn't worry about it. When dispersed camping you can do the backpacking thing and hang food in a tree. Tie a rock to the end of paracord and toss the end over a branch around 15' off the ground, preferably 5-ish feet from the trunk. Put your food in a stuff sack, remove the rock and tie on the food sack. Hoist it up 12' off the ground and tie the paracord to a tree. No trees around? Then there probably aren't any bears. If you're using a cooler there are bear-resistant coolers you can lock and leave outside your car... though at that point I think I'd rather just keep all the food in the car and setup a small tent for sleeping.

You mention not having enough water at one point. Not sure how large your container is, but get a 5 gallon container and keep it full. Breaking down or getting stuck in the Southwest w/o sufficient water is deadly.

As for summer heat, I try my best to find campsites that are at or above around 5000'. So if it's June or July, I'll visit Joshua Tree in the morning, but then head higher to the Big Bear area for camp. If that's not practical I opt for a motel or airbnb.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2024, 03:05:19 PM »
I had an upcoming family event in San Diego, and decided it was a great opportunity to drive there and back from Colorado, and camp along the way. A testing of the waters for the possibilities of slow & cheap travel now that I am FIREd, as well as a confidence building exercise after recently leaving a bad relationship. This would be the first time I'd ever camped alone, so I did have some anxiety around this.

I got a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek a few months back, and one of the reasons I wanted this car was because I would be able to lie entirely flat in the back, and could thus explore car camping, something I've done a single time before, and have wanted to explore more as a protected way to camp and a cheap method to travel overnight by car.

I picked up a few things to help make this happen:

- Therm-a-rest mat - $25 used off of Facebook Marketplace. It's a bit longer than what I need, but the price was right and it works great. I think it's a older model as you do have to manually blow it up, but it doesn't take much effort to do so.

- Sierra Designs women's sleeping bag - Also $25, and used a single time, from Facebook Marketplace. Very happy with the bag thus far, and as a bonus its material makes it really easy to shove into its storage bag. Made sure to get a women's-specific bag as well - my last sleeping bag was too long for me and left my feet cold, and I have since learned that it's best to have a bag that matches your height, and that women's bags have more insulation in the feet area. Not that I really needed the warmth for most of the trip, but will be good for future trips.

- Windshield sun shade - $6. I needed one of these anyhow given how hot my car gets in the sun, this served well as a privacy shield.

- Netted car window shades - $9 plus shipping. I bought these after reading someone's article on camping in a Subaru, as they make it possible to sleep with the windows rolled down while not letting any insects in. Very glad for this purchase - and the dark netting gives some additional privacy as a bonus.


First night was spent in Lower Piedra Campground close to Durango, CO. Pretty basic campsite with pit toilets and fire pit with attached grill. $27 for the night (paid in cash) which feels high for camping but based on some searching it seems this is the general price point for many campsites in Colorado these days. Pretty sparsely populated campground - and mostly RVs - and my site was right by a small river which made for nice background noise. This was the only site where I was able to build a fire, as everything west/south had fire restrictions or wood gathering restrictions.

I headed into New Mexico the next day. Did a bit of hiking in Bista/De-Na-Zin Wilderness, which was free, had few other visitors, with other worldly rock formations and very little shade. For Night 2, I camped at Bluewater Campground. This was a great campsite for the price - $8 a night with hot showers. You had to keep pushing the button to get the hot water out, but for that price I'm not complaining. Lake and nearby canyon were beautiful. Horse poop everywhere as there was a wild horse population in the area (with distant neighing at times), but it was mostly dried. I was lucky to be there on a weekday night, as the campsite was sparsely populated. There wasn't much tree or other separation between sites so I could see that being there when the site was at capacity could feel overcrowded. Nice & cool at night which helped me sleep well (along with my surprise hot shower!). High wind as well - I brought a campstove with butane and needed the case to block the wind, so I was able to make my dinner ramen and breakfast coffee & oatmeal successfully. Also had the chance to chat with a woman who'd been solo camping with her dog for years now and really enjoyed doing it, so got some good tips from her.

I headed west into Arizona the next morning. I stopped in Flagstaff for lunch and ended up paying $17 + tip for a fairly decent tamale, beans dumped directly out of a can, and a very sad salad. I either should have done my research or should have stuck to camp food, oops!

After a bit of kayaking on Lake Mary (with a $5 day use fee IIRC), I took a detour to Sedona for a short hike, and then treated myself to a $3 bag of Cheetos Puffs. This  put me a bit late getting into my planned campsite in Prescott National Forest, and the site was completely full. I continued driving into the park and discovered a dispersed camping area, but all of those spots were full as well. As it was getting dark, I ended up driving down a random dirt road (and discovered the next morning the "road closed" sign, oops) and pulling off to the side once I found an area to do so. Some trees in the area were marked for removal, and a few had already been taken down, with holes remaining where there trunks were. This worked out very well for me, considering I otherwise would have had to dig my own poopin' hole. No time for dinner thanks to dusk,  so I chowed down on a cucumber and prepped for bed. It was very unnerving being alone in a foreign park in the woods at night, and I had a terrible time falling asleep until I accidentally triggered my car alarm, promptly waking up everything in the area. I then realized that I was surrounded by birds and rodents and, in the distance, a barking dog, and really had nothing to worry about, and was eventually able to fall asleep. The next morning was lovely having absolutely no one around while I enjoyed my breakfast, and I'd like to work towards getting over my "being alone in the woods at night" anxiety to enjoy this style of camping more (the "in a locked car" part makes it feel silly, though to be fair my paranoid mind was worried about my open back windows). Price: $0!

I made the very intelligent decision to arrive in Joshua Tree the next day around noon (a $30 spurge - I hadn't originally had this on my schedule but the woman I chatted with in NM highly encouraged this visit), and the entire time I was in the park the temperature was in the triple digits. I had hoped to camp in the park, but learned that you had to pre-register, and I had zero internet as well as not nearly as much water as I probably needed. So I stuck to many short hikes as I worked my way northwest across the park, and ended up grabbing a campsite right outside the park, at Black Rock Canyon Campground.

This was $25 (and close enough to the suburbs that I could access internet to purchase in advance online), but I expected a higher price being so close to Joshua Tree. (There was dispersed camping on the end I came in, which would have been nice, but that would have been a looong drive back). It was a nice site, and a better planner than I would camp there and either hike Joshua Tree in the evening, or first thing in the morning. A fair number of people at the site, but I had a site at the edge of the campground and angled my car towards the park and the Joshua Trees so it didn't feel too overpeopled. Very beautiful, lots of interesting birds to watch and squirrels who were very interested in my meal. I picked up supplies to make wraps at a local Save a Lot, which ended up roughly the cost to buy a nice pre-made wrap, with plenty of leftovers.

The campsite had bathrooms with running water and sinks. I was very grateful for this as, when I filled my water container at the water pump, I failed to notice the many many bees clustered around the pump and spigot until several of them were already in my water bottle. Oops!

Next few nights were at an airbnb with a hot shower with a knob that I only had to twist once and the hot water kept coming out, which felt wonderful.

The trip back is a bit less exciting as I wanted to make good time (or as good of time as you can make when trying to drive anywhere near LA), and managed to get all the way across Nevada on Day 1. I took US 15, and camped at Virgin River Canyon Campground in the northwest corner of Arizona. Got there just as dusk hit, which incidentally was around the time the temperature dipped below 100 degrees fahrenheit. This site ended up costing $0 despite my best efforts to pay for it. There was a QR code at each campsite you could use to pay. I could not get any network access, and they neither provided wifi nor accepted cash. I figured if a camp host came and bothered me, I'd explain the predicament and try to give them cash. No one came and bothered me, so I figured they must not need my money if they made it this difficult to pay them. I was the only one in my part of the campsite until later that evening when I was in bed, and a camper and car rolled in. It was an absolutely beautiful area that I slept terribly in, thanks to the heat (and thanks to a mystery object that landed in my eye and stayed there until mid-morning the next day).


The rest of the trip I treated myself. Lunch was in Richfield, Utah at a place called The Ideal Dairy. Place was pretty legit, my milkshake & Santa Fe beef bagel sandwich were heavy and luscious. I think I paid around $14 with tip.

I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express  in Silt, CO using some IHG points for the final night (so another $0 night). After the poor sleep I got the night before, it felt very luxurious, and I enjoyed the labor-free breakfast buffet the next morning very much.

Overall the trip felt very successful. I hadn't set a budget, nor did I track spending outside of what I noted above, but my main expense was gas. Nice cheap way to travel and enjoy nature.

I'm hoping to do some more car camping soon, possibly a drive to Iowa as well as overnight trips to nearby hiking/kayaking destinations. A few things I'm wanting to figure out are:

- More privacy/light-blocking. Thinking it would be pretty easy to make a curtain for the back window, and something curtain-like to hang across the front row of seats. Ideally something a bit translucent, similar to the window covers, so I could have some visibility outside.

- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit. Something bear-resistant for food storage could be useful as well, as I worry about camping in bear country with the food inside my car - if I put the windows down, would a bear try to get inside? That'll keep me up at night in the woods if I don't solve that problem.

- I only needed the sleeping bag the first night, and it was too warm after that, so I might bring a light sheet as well in the future, as well as a battery-powered fan for nights with little breeze.

- Investing in a road atlas. I checked one out of the library for this trip, and was glad I did for the times I didn't have internet access. Good place to keep notes on good campsites, etc. as well.

Anyhow, this was a very long post. Hope this was interesting or useful to anyone who read through it, and am very open to advice and tips from more seasoned car campers!

We are camping at Steamboat Lake July 16-24. Last year, I cracked my car windows with food inside the car. A bear attempted to get into the car, but no luck. I had bear paw prints all over my car. I thought it was cool. I didn't wash my car and the prints lasted about two weeks.


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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2024, 10:52:14 AM »
We "camp" in our fancy-pants 2012 RV, but we don't like to pay for campsites. We drive between NorCal and CO often.

A few tips for your collection. In Nevada, rest stops allow 18 hour stopovers. A few sites have developed areas with picnic tables, bbqs and trash cans. We take Hwy 50 through Nevada, because there's little truck traffic. We have two places we like on Hwy 50. One is Bean Flat and the other is Eureka. No restrooms at either, so be prepared. You can Google NV rest stops to see them all.

In Utah and Colorado, most of the rest stops say "No Camping". They also have signs admonishing against "Drowsy Driving". Translation: you may park overnight, provided you're somewhat circumspect about it. No tents, for example. Some one them have amazing restrooms. All for Free Ninety-Nine.

Bonus: Don't park close to big rigs, because they're noisy AF. They're most useful for indicating places where it's okay to stop overnight.

Thank you for the tips! I am curious to try overnight at a rest stop. Wish it was a US standard, and not state-by-state, to allow overnight parking at rest stops, considering how dangerous it is to drive while sleepy.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2024, 10:53:25 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to write all that out -- sounds like an epic first voyage!

OK, maybe it is time for me to dig through my camping gear and see what exactly TheX left me.  I'm driving a load of stuff to his house to pick up DD in a couple of weeks and it would be fun to stop and camp somewhere on the way back for a night or two.  I already bought a one burner butane stove and a solar chargeable generator (both on sale).

Thanks, and hope you have a good camping experience!

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2024, 11:01:12 AM »
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- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit. Something bear-resistant for food storage could be useful as well, as I worry about camping in bear country with the food inside my car - if I put the windows down, would a bear try to get inside? That'll keep me up at night in the woods if I don't solve that problem.

If it's helpful, you can find a list of certified bear-proof products here: https://igbconline.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/240612_Certified_Products_List.pdf

It sounds like your food game will get dialed in with just a little more practice! My goal is usually to eat not-that-differently than I do at home, while also minimizing cooking, cleaning, and general fuss. For me, that means if I bring a cooler, I eat a lot of salads & wraps, and maybe bring some frozen jars of homemade soup/curry/chili. When I am traveling without a cooler, I like those little pouches of Indian-inspired food (like this: https://www.mayakaimal.com/products/red-lentil-butternut-squash-coconut-organic-everyday-dal/).

Your trip sounds great!

Thanks for the bear-proof product link! My breakfast routine barely changed, as oatmeal is on regular rotation for me. Some things are off the list - I brought with some dried cups of easy mac and powdered potatoes, and those are terrible no matter where they are eaten! Canned soup worked well, along with dried ramen. I brought dried onions and wakame (seaweed) for the ramen, and would be curious what other dehydrated vegetables I could bring to make soup a bit more nutritious & exciting. I like the food pouch idea, I could boil noodles and dump dal or similar dishes on top. I enjoy cooking and like the experience of doing it outside, but cleaning is terrible so anything I can do with a single pot or pan is high up on the list.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2024, 11:04:41 AM »
I saw a lot of the country this way when I was a student. Car, tent and bike and off I went. I miss it sometimes but spouse and others I travel with lately prefer a hotel room and tasty dinner after a long day on the road.  I’m off to Chicago then driving back west next week with a furry co-pilot who also demands fancy accommodations…

I wish I had had the presence of mind/emotional maturity/???? to do this back when I was a student! Then again, back then I was more deeply frugal and so probably would have viewed this as too pricey/wasteful. (well, that and I didn't get a car until I was 22, but I did think about doing this sort of thing using a bike).

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2024, 11:11:46 AM »
I once had a little Mazda 121 Metro. It took me through the back blocks of Australia, car camping. The front passenger seat could lie flat, and was comfortable enough to sleep on. I had a little stove, some knives, eating utensils, bowls and a couple of billys, a box for vegetables, and another box for staples (including cans of food that won’t go off). I had several 10 litre water containers, a sleeping bag and some clothes. With this setup, I visited a lot of remote National Parks, which mainly had pit toilets and no showers (being desert, water isn’t supplied in a number of these places). It was a fantastic setup!

I’ll never forget the looks on everyone’s faces when I turned up at Cameron’s Corner in my little Mazda - I think the smallest other vehicle there was twice the size! Very few of these places had rangers - they were just a bit too remote.

After the Mazda met its maker, I bought a small SUV with a good clearance (so that I could tackle most dirt roads) but without 4wd (I figure that travelling by yourself is ok, but it’s better not to travel true 4wd roads without company). Its seats don’t go flat, but I made sure the rear part folded flat and that it was big enough for me to sleep in. The back seat folds in two parts - wide and narrow. I got high density foam rubber that fits exactly into the wider space when that side of the rear seat is folded down, and got it cut into three cushions that I covered. I shortened sheets to fit the resulting mattress, and use a doona and sheets. Occasionally I need a blanket on top. I have several solar items of equipment - a solar recharger for my phone and a solar lamp. I use town caravan camping grounds every so often when I’m car camping, so I can use their laundry to wash clothes and their ablution block to shower etc.

I like the setup when I’m by myself, because it’s very easy to pack up and leave a camping site if there are any hooligans around. There’s no tent to pack or anything like that. Often I’ve been the only person in the park, or there have been very few others, so there hasn’t been a problem of losing my campsite if I go elsewhere to walk a trail and then come back.

What a great setup (both the Mazda and SUV)! Foam rubber to fill that space behind the seat is a great idea. My strategy there was to mash bags with clothing and other soft-ish things in that space before laying the mat on top. Which was comfortable enough, but I needed some of those things during the day and so there was some tedium in setup and takedown.

Solar chargers are something I should consider. I had a regular power brick which worked fine when I was driving daily and could recharge that as well, but not ideal for longer term camping.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2024, 11:20:41 AM »
Epic trip, thanks for sharing.

RE bear concerns: Developed USFS campgrounds generally provide metal boxes for food if bears are a concern. If there are no food boxes and no signage about bears on the info board I wouldn't worry about it. When dispersed camping you can do the backpacking thing and hang food in a tree. Tie a rock to the end of paracord and toss the end over a branch around 15' off the ground, preferably 5-ish feet from the trunk. Put your food in a stuff sack, remove the rock and tie on the food sack. Hoist it up 12' off the ground and tie the paracord to a tree. No trees around? Then there probably aren't any bears. If you're using a cooler there are bear-resistant coolers you can lock and leave outside your car... though at that point I think I'd rather just keep all the food in the car and setup a small tent for sleeping.

You mention not having enough water at one point. Not sure how large your container is, but get a 5 gallon container and keep it full. Breaking down or getting stuck in the Southwest w/o sufficient water is deadly.

As for summer heat, I try my best to find campsites that are at or above around 5000'. So if it's June or July, I'll visit Joshua Tree in the morning, but then head higher to the Big Bear area for camp. If that's not practical I opt for a motel or airbnb.

I recently stayed at a campsite with a friend which had warning signs about bears, but no metal boxes. I was in a tent (with food in the car) so didn't worry too much. My friend spoke to the camp host before we left and learned that no bears had been sighted in the area within the last 10 years!

I've heard about the food-hanging method, have never tried it before, seems pretty simple. I always over-worry about body products as bear attractants, so probably bathroom items would need to be hung as well. And, good point, if I'm bringing a tent, then I can always default to the tent when in a bear-prone area.

It was mostly dumb luck that I tended to camp in higher altitude areas on my trip, as I didn't consider this - I was fairly comfortable temperature-wise when camping in AZ, and then my drive the morning after showed how high up as was as I descended the mountains into the significantly hotter desert. I do need a decent water setup. I had a 1 gallon milk jug along with 4 various smaller bottles, all of which I refilled every day, but it wasn't ideal (and would have been very rough had I gone against instinct & camped in Joshua Tree). Will look into a 5 gallon.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2024, 11:22:13 AM »
We are camping at Steamboat Lake July 16-24. Last year, I cracked my car windows with food inside the car. A bear attempted to get into the car, but no luck. I had bear paw prints all over my car. I thought it was cool. I didn't wash my car and the prints lasted about two weeks.

Well that sounds terrifying (though the prints sound pretty neat). Good think the bear wasn't committed enough to try to break into the windows!

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2024, 08:05:23 AM »
Thanks for the write-up! Reminds me of my youthful stealth-camping trip across the US.

+1 on those heat-and-serve Indian-type foil food pouches.

Another nice choice: dried veg, especially sun-dried tomatoes and Chinese mushrooms. Pop them in a screw-top jar (like an empty plastic peanut butter jar) with some cool water in the morning, and by suppertime you have umami-loaded veg and "stock" ready to add to other stuff (like ramen).

Another thing from my old travel days: it's okay to gorge yourself on perishable stuff when you stop to shop! I used to chug a quart of milk at every grocery stop, and then accept that I wouldn't be having any more milk for a couple of days.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2024, 08:54:50 AM »
We are camping at Steamboat Lake July 16-24. Last year, I cracked my car windows with food inside the car. A bear attempted to get into the car, but no luck. I had bear paw prints all over my car. I thought it was cool. I didn't wash my car and the prints lasted about two weeks.

Well that sounds terrifying (though the prints sound pretty neat). Good think the bear wasn't committed enough to try to break into the windows!
You do have to be pretty careful when camping in an area with bears. Even in your car with the windows rolled up. They are attracted to a lot of scents besides food (toothpaste for example) and will tear apart cars and tents to get to them. Most are scared off by people and noise though. So if you hang your food include other scented things and make sure you cook or wash a bit away from your vehicle or tent and try not to eat in either. Otherwise it's not really a problem when car camping.

Also, if you are a solo woman traveller you do have to be pretty vigilant when car camping. I've had a couple of bad experiences and I know some other women forum members have too.

ETA: saw this on a random site about camping in the Sierras:
"They are also attracted to grocery bags, the clothes you cooked in and anything with an odor such as soap, sunscreen, hairspray and toothpaste. Bears have been known to break into cars for a stick of gum or an empty soda can. When bear-proof storage containers are available, please use them."

I live in bear country but you rarely hear about cars being broken into by bears.
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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2024, 08:09:34 AM »
We are camping at Steamboat Lake July 16-24. Last year, I cracked my car windows with food inside the car. A bear attempted to get into the car, but no luck. I had bear paw prints all over my car. I thought it was cool. I didn't wash my car and the prints lasted about two weeks.

Well that sounds terrifying (though the prints sound pretty neat). Good think the bear wasn't committed enough to try to break into the windows!
You do have to be pretty careful when camping in an area with bears. Even in your car with the windows rolled up. They are attracted to a lot of scents besides food (toothpaste for example) and will tear apart cars and tents to get to them. Most are scared off by people and noise though. So if you hang your food include other scented things and make sure you cook or wash a bit away from your vehicle or tent and try not to eat in either. Otherwise it's not really a problem when car camping.

Also, if you are a solo woman traveller you do have to be pretty vigilant when car camping. I've had a couple of bad experiences and I know some other women forum members have too.

ETA: saw this on a random site about camping in the Sierras:
"They are also attracted to grocery bags, the clothes you cooked in and anything with an odor such as soap, sunscreen, hairspray and toothpaste. Bears have been known to break into cars for a stick of gum or an empty soda can. When bear-proof storage containers are available, please use them."

I live in bear country but you rarely hear about cars being broken into by bears.

Bears learn and can be habituated to humans, so it's very location specific. They become aggressive in areas where humans are associated with food, e.g. Yosemite and other such high-impact recreation areas. Whereas I've found bears are much less of a problem where hunting of bears is permitted -- they learn (or perhaps it's a selection process) very quickly to avoid humans.

So pay attention to the signage and facilities in each area.

If metal boxes are provided, use them! There's a good chance these were installed because bears started stealing food and becoming aggressive and doing things like tearing off car doors. Yes, they can tear off car doors, they are scary strong. Put all food and scented items (toothpaste, cosmetic products, etc.) in the metal box and remove all scented items and food crumbs from your vehicle.

If there are bears in the area but they are not habituated / not problematic it's generally okay to leave food locked in your vehicle with the windows up. I personally would not sleep in the vehicle with food in these areas.

At lower elevations (desert and/or grassland) I generally don't worry about bears. It's possible for a bear to wander down from higher elevations, but rare. Yet I still keep food locked in some sort of container or a vehicle, mostly to protected against raccoons, birds, and rodents.
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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2024, 06:50:44 PM »
Thanks for the write-up! Reminds me of my youthful stealth-camping trip across the US.

+1 on those heat-and-serve Indian-type foil food pouches.

Another nice choice: dried veg, especially sun-dried tomatoes and Chinese mushrooms. Pop them in a screw-top jar (like an empty plastic peanut butter jar) with some cool water in the morning, and by suppertime you have umami-loaded veg and "stock" ready to add to other stuff (like ramen).

Another thing from my old travel days: it's okay to gorge yourself on perishable stuff when you stop to shop! I used to chug a quart of milk at every grocery stop, and then accept that I wouldn't be having any more milk for a couple of days.

Oh I like the idea of soaking the dried veggies all day. I had some dried onions and tvp that I sprinkled in my evening ramen, but my onions needed more boiling time than I was willing to offer (or more butane, rather). Bet I could do overnight oats as well if I wanted to simplify my breakfast routine.

I like your note on gorging, that will make me feel much better about my inevitable ice cream binge after several days of camping.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2024, 06:53:17 PM »
Good info on the bears, thank you! I've used the metal boxes before, but sounds like I need to be putting more things in them than I thought.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2024, 06:18:54 PM »
- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit.

Do you need a mess kit?  I ask because I only use one for backpacking.   For car camping, I have a kitchen box (as opposed to the "shit box") where I keep various plates (metal), utensils, and one pot and one pan, all of which I got at Goodwill.   

Seems like you are relying mostly on dried food.  One thing you haven't mentioned is your cooler strategy (pardon if you've got this handled already).   I find a rotomolded cooler to be essential.   Although most rotomolder coolers are absurdly expensive, Coho brand coolers (often found at Costco) are about a third the price and near carbon copies of Yetis.   You can also buy off-brand used rotomolded coolers on FB and craigslist for about half price (used Yetis are still absurdly expensive for some reason). 

I can keep ice for about four-five days in my Coho.   That's long enough it is not a chore to manage the cooler, just top it off with ice occasionally when you buy gas.  Before the trip, I freeze as much food as I can (meat, bacon, vegetarian chili, other one-pot meals, etc.).  That all gets packed away and gradually thaws out as the cooler warms up. 

I'm not a fan of butane burners.  They are ok for backpacking but the propane canisters can be hard to find in rural areas and I don't like disposable stuff anyway.  Instead, consider a 5 lb or smaller refillable propane tank.  You can refill propane many places, including lots of gas stations. 




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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2024, 07:33:07 AM »
Enjoyed this, and may borrow a couple tips from it.

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Re: I solo car camped my way from Colorado to San Diego
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2024, 09:43:01 PM »
- Better food strategy. I had a bin and a bag for food and then other bags for other food related items. I brought a kitchen pan, pot, bowl, set of utensils, etc. I really need a mess kit.

Do you need a mess kit?  I ask because I only use one for backpacking.   For car camping, I have a kitchen box (as opposed to the "shit box") where I keep various plates (metal), utensils, and one pot and one pan, all of which I got at Goodwill.   

Seems like you are relying mostly on dried food.  One thing you haven't mentioned is your cooler strategy (pardon if you've got this handled already).   I find a rotomolded cooler to be essential.   Although most rotomolder coolers are absurdly expensive, Coho brand coolers (often found at Costco) are about a third the price and near carbon copies of Yetis.   You can also buy off-brand used rotomolded coolers on FB and craigslist for about half price (used Yetis are still absurdly expensive for some reason). 

I can keep ice for about four-five days in my Coho.   That's long enough it is not a chore to manage the cooler, just top it off with ice occasionally when you buy gas.  Before the trip, I freeze as much food as I can (meat, bacon, vegetarian chili, other one-pot meals, etc.).  That all gets packed away and gradually thaws out as the cooler warms up. 

I'm not a fan of butane burners.  They are ok for backpacking but the propane canisters can be hard to find in rural areas and I don't like disposable stuff anyway.  Instead, consider a 5 lb or smaller refillable propane tank.  You can refill propane many places, including lots of gas stations.

Thanks for the tips! I suppose I don't need a mess kit, I just need a better organizational strategy, maybe keeping an eye out for more things that nest better, and then having a dedicated container for everything.

For this trip I did rely heavily on dried food, plus some fruits & vegs that could deal with not being refrigerated for awhile. My "insulated bag" strategy is very lacking, so I do really need a cooler. I'll look into a rotomolded cooler, based on my Googing they look very useful!

And, apparently they make adapters you can use with a refillable propane canister to attach to your butane stove, so that is good to know for the future.