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How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« on: April 18, 2014, 05:32:55 PM »
As the joke goes the answer is "$1 at a time".

But for those of you in real world wanting some inspiration here's my history.

I started on 1 November 2010 with a unit purchased for $385k, and a mortgage of $270k. Today the unit is worth $470k and the loan is down to $92,500. I reckon I've got 18months till I hit zero and I'll have a $500k property at the end of it. How fucking fantastic is that.

You just have to be single bloody minded about it. It won't pay itself, you've got to really want to kill the beast off.

31/10/10    270,000.00
30/11/10    259,778.00
31/12/10    256,440.22
31/01/11    255,048.00
28/02/11    254,076.91
31/03/11    253,149.17
30/04/11    250,493.97
31/05/11    251,216.36
30/06/11    248,477.83
31/07/11    246,486.72
31/08/11    245,581.74
30/09/11    237,696.19
31/10/11    237,070.35
30/11/11    229,854.00
31/12/11    229,453.33
31/01/12    228,067.53
29/02/12    225,869.68
31/03/12    212,801.76
30/04/12    207,355.45
31/05/12    207,982.47
30/06/12    205,691.70
31/07/12    197,558.48
31/08/12    195,703.24
30/09/12    185,290.91
31/10/12    184,572.05
30/11/12    179,546.04
31/12/12    178,772.28
31/01/13    175,487.44
28/02/13    173,435.79
31/03/13    167,635.79
30/04/13    165,385.79
31/05/13    162,735.79
30/06/13    157,635.79
31/07/13    150,135.79
31/08/13    130,885.79
30/09/13    121,000.00
31/10/13    116,500.00
30/11/13    110,000.00
31/12/13    109,000.00
31/01/14    100,500.00
28/02/14    98,000.00
31/03/14    94,250.00
30/04/14    92,500.00
31/05/14    87,250.00
30/06/14    80,500.00
31/07/14    78,500.00
31/08/14    76,000.00
30/09/14    63,500.00
31/10/14    60,500.00

30/11/14    49,250.00
31/12/14    43,000.00
31/01/15    40,000.00
28/02/15    38,500.00
31/03/15    35,000.00
30/04/15    30,000.00

31/05/15    26,000.00
30/06/15    24,000.00
31/07/15    20,000.00
31/08/15    12,000.00
16/09/15    0.00



Total fees & interest paid: $41,641.28. $43,963.77 $44,949.06 $45,249.95
Total cash repayments: $219,141.28. $253,463.77 $284,949.06 $315,249.95
Average daily interest cost: $33.72 $30.34 $$27.46 $25.08

« Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 03:47:43 AM by marty998 »

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2014, 07:46:19 PM »
That is great work Marty. I notice some 10-20k drops some months, outstanding.
If you keep stashin at this rate you'll be done in no time.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 08:02:43 PM »
Thanks happy, yeah round about September each year is bonus/payrise season :) I don't count on it, but it's nice when you can take a big bite out of it.

Got killed at the start paying a 7.11% interest rate. But only paying 4.89% now so a tick over $12/day interest which is barely noticeable.

Point is a big bastard like this seems like a mountain, but compounding works both ways. The earlier you start paying off more, the more you save as it snowballs later on.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 08:16:27 PM »
Who have you got the 4.89% with? I'm just looking at trying to get my 5.13% rate down.
Its great when the interest is less than your equivalent rent would be. $12 a day is just a days worth of non mustachian coffees for the muggles.

Out of interest,  how much are you investing vs paying off mortgage? I've usually stuck with roughly 1:1 ratio i.e. 10k extra off mgage and 10k invested: both "make" about the same over the long haul.  But have to say in the past thats just how it turned out, not as a result of any particular  informed design on my part. Now I'm reexamining such things.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 07:05:50 AM »
I'll PM you ;)

Can't give away too much lol

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 07:07:48 AM »
Bank West are doing an online loan at 4.88% at the moment.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2014, 06:47:27 PM »
I'm currently with one of the big 4, and do worry about some of the cheaper products having a hidden sting.  Thanks for the tip-off agent_clone.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2014, 06:51:15 PM »
Congrats marty, that's awesome!

From your trajectory it looks like you'll have to start planning a big celebration for Sept/Oct 2015, maybe even a bit sooner as it snowballs!  :)
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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2014, 07:39:16 PM »
Congrats marty, that's awesome!

From your trajectory it looks like you'll have to start planning a big celebration for Sept/Oct 2015, maybe even a bit sooner as it snowballs!  :)

Maybe a little later, I want to dip my toes back in the stockmarket which will push the payoff date out a little longer.

It's quite amazing to see the flipside of compound interest. Most of us here discuss the growth aspects of leaving your money invested for a very long time, this is a perfect illustration of the savings you can generate.

My loan contract on day 1 had projected repayments of around $654,000 if I paid the minimum. Now it looks like I'll pay around $315,000 all up just by paying extra.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2014, 08:21:14 PM »
Congrats marty, that's awesome!

From your trajectory it looks like you'll have to start planning a big celebration for Sept/Oct 2015, maybe even a bit sooner as it snowballs!  :)

Maybe a little later, I want to dip my toes back in the stockmarket which will push the payoff date out a little longer.

Any particular reason why now, after pursuing your mortgage debt so aggressively?  You feel that now is a particularly good time to invest versus the last few years?

Either way, awesome that you've made so much progress.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2014, 09:35:11 PM »
Hmm, no idea on his particular motivation however it should be noted that it is not typical for interest rate to be locked in to a fixed interest in Australia.  I don't think I've seen a loan product where they can be locked for more than 5 years (however I could be wrong) and if they are locked there are generally penalties for paying more that about 10k p.a. extra into the loan.

Currently the Reserve Bank of Australia's interest rates are a historic low.  Which would mean that essentially for the same amount of money as at a higher interest rate he is paying off more of the amount owed.

Mortgages are also not tax deductible unless you are renting the house out.  In which case you have a thing called Negative gearing (I personally think Negative Gearing is an awful policy).

I would say there are pro's and con's to paying off the house vs investing elsewhere.  I would say its definately beneficial to get the mortgage down to where the costs would be about the same as if you were renting it.

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2014, 07:13:55 PM »
Wow rates are pretty high there?!?

We're at 2.99 fixed here, 5yr (25yr)

Agreed they way you're hitting chunks of it off you'll hardly ever 'feel' it, GREAT JOB!

I other disagree here with not carrying a mortgage but I can't wait to be mortgage free as well... 2-3 more yrs for us.

Thanks happy, yeah round about September each year is bonus/payrise season :) I don't count on it, but it's nice when you can take a big bite out of it.

Got killed at the start paying a 7.11% interest rate. But only paying 4.89% now so a tick over $12/day interest which is barely noticeable.

Point is a big bastard like this seems like a mountain, but compounding works both ways. The earlier you start paying off more, the more you save as it snowballs later on.

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2014, 09:07:52 PM »
Hmm, I personally wouldn't go with Bank West since there have been issues since CBA took over...

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/04/05/3471045.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/cba-accused-of-defaulting-customers-to-fix-bankwest-books-20140326-35htg.html

From my understanding they were all business and commercial loans, not private real estate.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 10:17:18 PM »
ARS, I suppose given I have smashed it down so much I don't feel the interest cost biting every month like I used to.

Additionally, interest rates have come down to the point where dividend stocks are yielding more than the cost of a home loan.

I've been a bit gunshy about investing since losing my shirt in 08/09. Have a relatively small portfolio leftover from then, but haven't given it much thought till now, as you can see I've been otherwise preoccupied.

Can't be scared forever, and I really should not have put it off for so long to get back into it. I used to have a dividend strategy of buying the Banks and REITS in May (ANZ, WBC, Macquarie and Westfield), before rotating to BHP, TLS, WOW, IAG, CBA and SUN in July/August, and going back to the Banks in October for the next divvy. Was able to get twice the yield that way, assuming you could always exit around the same price you bought in.

Thinking now might be a great time to recommence that strategy, given the much lower share price volatility in recent times, and fat dividend yields being paid by most industrials and financials stocks.

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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2014, 11:08:18 PM »
You may want to read some of warfreak2's posts on here about dividends, given this statement:
Was able to get twice the yield that way, assuming you could always exit around the same price you bought in.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2014, 12:53:15 AM »
Yes agree with the mathematical theory behind what warfreak2 is saying. I've done higher level university finance courses and been in the industry for a decade so could bore everyone to death on security and asset pricing given the opportunity.

Theory doesn't relate 100% to practice though. Various shares on the ASX have a curious habit of repeating their trading pattern history every 6 months, assuming no downside surprise when results are released and dividends declared. Some observations:

1) The mums & dads favourites like TLS rise 2-3% in the weeks leading up to the ex date as retail punters pile in for the tax credit that comes along with the divvy. Yes it falls on ex date, but if it has risen beforehand then you can get out at the same price you got in.

2) Stocks like the Banks will bounce around everyday depending on leads from the Dow the night before. Most recover their ex-date falls fairly quickly and after a couple of weeks carry on as if nothing has happened.

The peculiarities seem to persist year after year, notwithstanding the fact that everyone knows about it and it should already be priced in.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 05:50:43 AM »
Updated the initial post for the last 6 months. Finishing line is getting closer!

It's somewhat perverse and creepy to enjoy paying a mortgage down LOL. But who cares, soon enough I won't have one :P

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 06:05:25 AM »
Great work!
I decided to kill mine 1/1/2012, and I've got 130k off it since - not as good as you, but I'm not competitive LOL. Still got a long way to go, and I'm liking seeing those interest payments drop.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2014, 06:11:55 AM »
$130k in 2.5 years is awesome Happy

+ add more for all the equity created through our little property boom that is going on. Well done to you too.

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2014, 06:17:58 AM »
Yes, in my net worth calcs I've conservatively added 75k capital gain in the last year, but according to RP data its quite a bit more, so much so it takes my breath away and I'm not game to count on it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 06:26:00 AM »
That was one impressive 2013!

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 08:35:10 AM »
Sweet, are you renting any of it out?  Renting a room or two seems more popular down under than it does in the States...

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2014, 10:03:53 AM »
Didn't you take on a large mortgage that would be added to those totals recently marty?
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2014, 10:17:15 AM »
Excellent work I did the same thing, this was before I knew about stashing.

I built a beast of an airplane for about $90k (I know VERY unmustacian but I sold it almost for what I paid for it after flying it for 6 years).. Anyway, by paying off early in less than 7 years I reckon I paid the cost 2.5 times over..:)

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2014, 03:30:40 PM »
Sweet, are you renting any of it out?  Renting a room or two seems more popular down under than it does in the States...

No not renting out any rooms. I doubt there is anyone out there willing to put up with my oddities anyway!

Didn't you take on a large mortgage that would be added to those totals recently marty?

Yes but that is investment debt, I'm making a distinction here between paying off the roof over my head and general investments. Paying off the investment debt is optional depending on the eventual exit strategy.


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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2014, 03:34:43 PM »
That was one impressive 2013!

Yes...it hides the fact I sold some other investments to assist, but it was still a decent year. Been lucky that the last 4 years have seen interest rates consistently fall. The last year we've had consistently no change - interest rates have been on hold since August 2013 - the longest stretch of no movement in history.

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2014, 02:38:13 PM »
Awesome thread mate. Great to see the debt get eaten away. Keep going, we'll all be rooting for you.

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Re: How to pay off a quarter mill of debt
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2015, 04:48:54 PM »
Top post updated for last 6 months. Doesn't feel like a mortgage anymore @ $30k

I can't wait, I wanna kill it now!

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2015, 05:10:39 PM »
Not long now and you will kill it. Outstanding: another 62.5k in the last 12 months!

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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2015, 05:25:17 PM »
I'm trying to imagine what I could do with that $62k each year starting in a few months time...

The easy answer is VHY and VAS, but I don't really want to be slammed at tax time with a whole lot of dividend earnings.

Another property would be nice, however I feel we are at the top of the boom and prices will drift for a while. People are just panic buying and paying stupid prices.

If the ASX drops another 10% over May-June-July which is highly likely after the banks go ex-dividend and NAB comes out of its trading halt, I may jump in the deep end. Hopefully the "bottom" coincides neatly with October :)

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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2015, 03:49:54 AM »
OMG OMG OMG yay!!!!!

Opening post updated. September bonus and spare change behind the couch thrown at the beast today.

Fuck Yeah!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2015, 04:27:47 AM »
Congratulations, a shade off 5 years.

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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2015, 05:08:28 AM »
Wow! Congratulations, that's amazing!

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2015, 06:01:14 AM »
Congrats!

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2015, 06:59:43 AM »
Nice! Now get a big fat loan against it and bet your house on the markets!

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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2015, 02:48:31 PM »
SWEET:) you are kicking ass!

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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2015, 06:00:38 PM »
Congratulations! Very inspiring

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« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2015, 11:13:15 PM »
OMG OMG OMG yay!!!!!

Opening post updated. September bonus and spare change behind the couch thrown at the beast today.

Fuck Yeah!!!!

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Nicely said. How does one celebrate such an accomplishment? (Congrats!)

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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2015, 11:18:25 PM »
Nice work. Must be a great feeling!

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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2015, 10:27:03 PM »
OMG OMG OMG yay!!!!!

Opening post updated. September bonus and spare change behind the couch thrown at the beast today.

Fuck Yeah!!!!

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Congratulations! And spot on Rebs projection, you must have stayed the course!
What's next?

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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2015, 04:47:32 PM »
Congratulations! And spot on Rebs projection, you must have stayed the course!
What's next?

Good question. Vague plan is to start buying index funds... still having a think about exactly what, how, when etc.

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« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2015, 05:30:04 AM »
Well done.
Zen like focus. Impressive.

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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2015, 08:24:06 AM »
Congrats! I was going to mention the importance of other (retirement) investing whilst paying off the mortgage, but I see you have other properties with mortgages and some equities, so good on you, mate.

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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2015, 09:59:39 AM »
DAMN, son. Nice work! \m/ ^_^ \m/

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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2015, 02:30:18 AM »
Congrats marty!  Sticking with something that long requires great discipline; you should be proud of that accomplishment. :D
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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2015, 03:58:49 AM »
oh thanks Rebs. Where are you these days? Somewhere on the Camino? Would love to do that one day - sounds epic.
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2015, 09:37:56 AM »
oh thanks Rebs. Where are you these days? Somewhere on the Camino? Would love to do that one day - sounds epic.
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Will be buying more shares soon enough, just gotta get the leverage down a little bit.

Finished the Camino, been in Germany and heading to London.

Deleveraging sounds like a good idea, but having a paid off house is pretty deleveraged in general.  ;)
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
I (rarely) blog at AdventuringAlong.com. Check out the Now page to see what I'm up to currently.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!