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Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:10:55 PM »
Yes, I failed the no drinking September challenge and the no Friday night alcohol challange!

But I have cut my beer drinking in half and since I'm paleocentric now I'm cutting the grain based alcohol cord.

So naturally I started a batch of vodka last night --

Ingredients -

1/2 of one large package "Turbo Yeast" from Hillbilly Stills,  I think about 3 bucks worth.
2.2 - 4 pound bags of sugar -- 1 buck per bag on sale
a few teaspoons of clarifying agent (basically clay)  -- 35 cents
2.75 gallons of water
reusable charcoal filter medium -- figure 50 cents worth

Total ingredient costs - = 6 bucks

Materials -
1 - gallon food grade bucket -  Lowes -  5 bucks
1 - Hydrometer (optional)  6 bucks
long plastic spoon (cabinet)

Method -
Read the Turbo yeast packet --

Add warm water to bucket  (104 degrees, but no one is watching you)
Add  sugar to bucket
Add yeast to bucket

Set bucket in 70-80 degree area with maybe a paper towel on top.  (your house will smell like fresh baked bread!)

Wait 5- 7 days (until all bubbling ceases) and add clarifying agent

Add clarifying agent and wait 2 days.

Siphon and run through a 1 1/2 inch  3 foot tall PVC pipe packed with charcoal medium.  Strain it through coffee filter first.  Filter as many times as you like.   I think 4 times would be good.  The charcoal medium is washable.   

And there you have it!   The final product will be 40 proof Vodka.   The cost per 5%  - 12 ounce serving (beer equivalent) is about 4 cents per drink if you just mix it with spring water.  A little more per drink if you're fancy pants and want to mix it with flavors or olive juice.  There is enough in this recipe to make 150 drinks. 

This 6 dollar recipe makes about 3 gallons of 40 proof Vodka.  Be creative and try flavoring with anything you like.  Lemonade is probably good?

Comments are welcome!   

I'll  report back over the course of the next week and will definitely share the final product with any of you who wish to come to the Ozarks. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 03:17:28 PM »
cool! I'm super curious to hear how this turns out. I've always thought home distilling might be interesting... pretty sure it's technically illegal in OK but I don't think anyone would turn me in to ABLE.

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2014, 03:28:04 PM »
cool! I'm super curious to hear how this turns out. I've always thought home distilling might be interesting... pretty sure it's technically illegal in OK but I don't think anyone would turn me in to ABLE.

Technically this isn't distilling -- it is wine making.  I believe in Missouri it is pretty legal to make wine and beer.  It is just that your wine will be 20% alcohol. 

I looked into distilling and it appears illegal generally.  But the learning curve and the cost of the still were way out of my league.   I've made this basic recipe a few years ago without the clarifying agent or filtering and it was basically a yeasty sugar wine.  I didn't really measure precisely and made it in 2 liter bottles then. 

From what I have read -- this should turn out pretty close to half strength Vodka  (Halfka?) but since I always mix anyway,  I thought what's the point in distilling.   It may not be perfect, but heck fire, for the price and how little effort (less that 2 hours of not watching TV) I thought it would be fun.

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 03:33:45 PM »

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

Is MMM apple hooch any worse than commercial cider?

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 03:39:17 PM »

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

Is MMM apple hooch any worse than commercial cider?

No idea?  Basically the more pectin one begins with the more methyl alcohol is my understanding.  Beer has some,  wine more and apple based more. 

I researched this because I was a little worried that home made stuff might be dangerous.  Apparently pure sugar generates very little of the bad alcohol although there is still a trace. 


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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2014, 05:08:03 PM »

Very cool, definitely let us know how this turns out!  I'm really interested to know how good/bad this is, I want to try it.  Would you serve it to you honored house guests?

Yes, the conversion to methanol with certain homemade recipe's is not good at all.  The health risks are not at all worth the cost savings.

I hadn't thought about the benefits of moving away from grain based beer using this approach.  Are you seeing any benefit with this?

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 05:34:52 AM »
What is this clarifying agent you speak of?

This is the most interesting thing I've read here. Bar none. Pun intended!

Seriously I think I can kick the beer to the road with this. Love coming home and relaxing to one but they go bad so fast. How long to you suppose this halfka can last?

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 06:58:01 AM »
What is this clarifying agent you speak of?

This is the most interesting thing I've read here. Bar none. Pun intended!

Seriously I think I can kick the beer to the road with this. Love coming home and relaxing to one but they go bad so fast. How long to you suppose this halfka can last?

The agent I will use is Sparkaloid.  There are other options sold on the wine sites as well.  I may in fact be using the wrong one as I think this particular clarifying agent is meant for distilled spirits.  I'll give it a try anyway.

I would think that Halfka could last 10 or 20 thousand years if packaged properly. lol   Mine will probably last for 6 weeks at my house! 

By the way,  I checked it this morning.  My kitchen has a pleasant sweet baking bread aroma.  The solution is bubbling away.   At 48 hours it should be around 12% and then the action should slow down for 3 or 4 days until the final 20% is reached. 

My intent here is to replace all beer drinking entirely with a very cheap and wheat free beverage.  My goal will be to reduce my total annual beverage costs to under $25.   Since I buy 100 tea bags for $1 that portion costs $4 a year,  leaving me $21 for Halfka.   

So the amount I would need to invest to cover this for a lifetime would be $625.  (at a 4% SWR)

Compare that to the average Joe who spends around $800 per year on beverages.  They would need to save around $20,000 to cover their costs.  A Starbucks and beer drinker would probably need closer to $50,000 in savings to cover their beverages.

These seemingly small steps are really powerful over the long haul.  Thanks MMM for teaching us all that concept.

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Re: Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 08:50:01 AM »
As someone who has been making homebrew applewine for years, and knows how yeast+tons of sugar turns into "rocket fuel"... this sort of disgusts me.  But, more power to you!  I do love homemade booze, though.

I'm about to brew a cider with Apple Juice, Brown Sugar, Cherry Juice, and Honey.  Can't wait.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 09:08:23 AM »
As someone who has been making homebrew applewine for years, and knows how yeast+tons of sugar turns into "rocket fuel"... this sort of disgusts me.  But, more power to you!  I do love homemade booze, though.

I'm about to brew a cider with Apple Juice, Brown Sugar, Cherry Juice, and Honey.  Can't wait.

Do tell more/make a post. I tried the home brew juice thing after MMM's post but it was completely undrinkable.

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 09:40:52 AM »
As someone who has been making homebrew applewine for years, and knows how yeast+tons of sugar turns into "rocket fuel"... this sort of disgusts me.  But, more power to you!  I do love homemade booze, though.

I'm about to brew a cider with Apple Juice, Brown Sugar, Cherry Juice, and Honey.  Can't wait.

Do tell more/make a post. I tried the home brew juice thing after MMM's post but it was completely undrinkable.

I just re-read MMM's post about it.  While the lure of "30 seconds of work" is great, I think there are some minor steps and cheap extra equipment that would serve people well.    I'll write up a separate post about it and post the link back here.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 09:44:41 AM »

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

Is MMM apple hooch any worse than commercial cider?

No idea?  Basically the more pectin one begins with the more methyl alcohol is my understanding.  Beer has some,  wine more and apple based more. 

I researched this because I was a little worried that home made stuff might be dangerous.  Apparently pure sugar generates very little of the bad alcohol although there is still a trace.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe homemade cider will have any interesting amount of methanol. It might produce 3 mg/L (have you seen higher numbers? -- I don't have a fantastic source for this, but have read it a few places). Median lethal dose for a rat is 5600mg/kg. The reference dose is .5mg/kg/day.

If you weigh 150 lbs (68 kg). You can have 34 mgs a day, or 11 liters of cider.

(Actually, the reference dose has been [link=http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0305.htm]updated[/link] to 2 mg/kg/day. So, 44 liters a day.)

That said, halfka sounds interesting. Have you looked into freeze distillation?

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 10:09:09 AM »

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

Is MMM apple hooch any worse than commercial cider?

No idea?  Basically the more pectin one begins with the more methyl alcohol is my understanding.  Beer has some,  wine more and apple based more. 

I researched this because I was a little worried that home made stuff might be dangerous.  Apparently pure sugar generates very little of the bad alcohol although there is still a trace.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe homemade cider will have any interesting amount of methanol. It might produce 3 mg/L (have you seen higher numbers? -- I don't have a fantastic source for this, but have read it a few places). Median lethal dose for a rat is 5600mg/kg. The reference dose is .5mg/kg/day.

If you weigh 150 lbs (68 kg). You can have 34 mgs a day, or 11 liters of cider.

(Actually, the reference dose has been [link=http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0305.htm]updated[/link] to 2 mg/kg/day. So, 44 liters a day.)

That said, halfka sounds interesting. Have you looked into freeze distillation?

Yeah the "bad" alcohol percentages are relatively low compared to the amount needed to induce blindness or death,  but I think still enough to induce a headache.  I think that is why people who have drank much of it call it headache juice. 

 I intend to drink the Halfka as a regular (weekends, float trips etc) beverage.  So I would rather avoid the bad stuff as much as possible.  As I wrote, beer has some as well and wine more. 

Wine gives me a headache immediately nowadays but I don't know if that is from the sulfites or some other thing in grapes that does that.  Funny, but wine did not always do this to me.  So there may be some sort of immune response going on?   The wine counsel of course never addresses this.

I have read about freeze distillation.  Apparently any "distillation" is illegal in my neck of the woods.   The theory is that water freezes quicker than alcohol so that you could increase the percentage of alcohol by freezing and then warming to drain off a higher percent of alcohol.  I think this is popular with apple cider enthusiast.   

 If the Halfka product turns out decent at the 20% alcohol level I don't see a reason to up the percentage, since I would be mixing it down to 5% anyway.   

If it turns out not decent I'll consider a plan B.



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Re: Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2014, 10:42:37 AM »

By the way,  I did a little research on MMMs apple cider deal.  That is basically called headache juice and is relatively high in methanol alcohol (wood alcohol)  which is very not good.  The reason is because of the pectin in apples converting.   

Is MMM apple hooch any worse than commercial cider?

No idea?  Basically the more pectin one begins with the more methyl alcohol is my understanding.  Beer has some,  wine more and apple based more. 

I researched this because I was a little worried that home made stuff might be dangerous.  Apparently pure sugar generates very little of the bad alcohol although there is still a trace.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe homemade cider will have any interesting amount of methanol. It might produce 3 mg/L (have you seen higher numbers? -- I don't have a fantastic source for this, but have read it a few places). Median lethal dose for a rat is 5600mg/kg. The reference dose is .5mg/kg/day.

If you weigh 150 lbs (68 kg). You can have 34 mgs a day, or 11 liters of cider.

(Actually, the reference dose has been [link=http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0305.htm]updated[/link] to 2 mg/kg/day. So, 44 liters a day.)

That said, halfka sounds interesting. Have you looked into freeze distillation?

Yeah the "bad" alcohol percentages are relatively low compared to the amount needed to induce blindness or death,  but I think still enough to induce a headache.  I think that is why people who have drank much of it call it headache juice. 

 I intend to drink the Halfka as a regular (weekends, float trips etc) beverage.  So I would rather avoid the bad stuff as much as possible.  As I wrote, beer has some as well and wine more. 

Wine gives me a headache immediately nowadays but I don't know if that is from the sulfites or some other thing in grapes that does that.  Funny, but wine did not always do this to me.  So there may be some sort of immune response going on?   The wine counsel of course never addresses this.

I have read about freeze distillation.  Apparently any "distillation" is illegal in my neck of the woods.   The theory is that water freezes quicker than alcohol so that you could increase the percentage of alcohol by freezing and then warming to drain off a higher percent of alcohol.  I think this is popular with apple cider enthusiast.   

 If the Halfka product turns out decent at the 20% alcohol level I don't see a reason to up the percentage, since I would be mixing it down to 5% anyway.   

If it turns out not decent I'll consider a plan B.

I think you might be thinking of the methanol levels in Applejack, not cider. Applejack is distilled cider, which concentrates the methanol levels, and has been called "headache juice".  I've never gotten a worse hangover from my homebrewed cider than anything else, and I typically make applewine which is higher ABV.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 10:43:45 AM »
FWIW: This thread gave me a reason to post a more detailed writeup on my own homebrewing experiences: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/my-experience-making-homebrew-cider-for-5-years/

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2014, 11:02:54 AM »
I love your enthusiasm, but I'm nervous about the end product.  I've made some tasty beverages and some undrinkable beverages.  My wines came out okay, not fantastic, but not terrible.  I've done edwort's apfelwein, which comes out like dry white wine, that stuff is fantastic.  My mead was undrinkable, I'm not sure what went wrong there, because it is the same process.  Maybe I just don't have a taste for mead.

I'm no distiller, but I believe one of the benefits is the ability to remove the 'heads' & 'tails'.  Basically the stuff that they turn into nail polish, and the heart of the distillation run is what gets bottled up.

I'm curious to hear how it comes out.

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2014, 11:08:49 AM »
My mead was undrinkable, I'm not sure what went wrong there, because it is the same process.  Maybe I just don't have a taste for mead.

Mead typically take a minimum of 6 months in the bottle (after fermentation) to "settle out" the flavors (aka before it stops tasting like lighter fluid). I've found it's best to wait a year... which means I hardly ever make mead because waiting a year is ridiculous :)

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2014, 07:47:34 PM »
I am going to have to try this.  I have tried to cut spending on booze but the only thing that has worked is cutting consumption and that isn't as fun.

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2014, 07:34:10 AM »
Day four of the Halfka experiment.  Still bubbling good.  Taste pretty good as well, although still a little sweet.  I'm hoping the mixture was precise enough to burn off all the sugar by the end of fermentation.  Taste about 15 percent now.   At this juncture I wouldn't be shy mixing it with some lemonade, so I'm calling that a preliminary success.

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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2014, 09:28:48 AM »
FWIW: This thread gave me a reason to post a more detailed writeup on my own homebrewing experiences: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/my-experience-making-homebrew-cider-for-5-years/

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2014, 09:46:36 AM »
Day 4.5 of the Halfka experiment. 

Checked it this morning.  Still bubbling and cloudy.  Aroma is more alcohol than yeast/sugar.   My guess is the temp is sub 70 in my kitchen an thus the fermentation will take longer than the 5 days suggested.   Most of the sweetness is gone.  There is no sediment on the bottom of the bucket at this point.   

So I'm moving my time horizon back for best results.  I would like for all fermentation to cease, sediment to form and a pretty substantial clearing before adding the clarifier. 

In the future,  I will plan to start another batch immediately after one finishes.  That will allow for a good 3-5 months of settling and clearing before charcoal filtering. 

The waiting is the hardest part!  lol


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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2014, 07:15:53 PM »
I mean no offense, but this sounds absolutely vile. You can distill to make better vodka than any you'd buy in the store, very inexpensively, though it is a bit illegal. And dangerous. How the hell are you going to separate the ethanol from methanol and higher alcohols this way? And get rid of all the various esthers, aromatics, blah blah blah? Charcoal is all well and good but it's nothing as nice as a nice column.

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2014, 08:46:57 AM »
I mean no offense, but this sounds absolutely vile. You can distill to make better vodka than any you'd buy in the store, very inexpensively, though it is a bit illegal. And dangerous. How the hell are you going to separate the ethanol from methanol and higher alcohols this way? And get rid of all the various esthers, aromatics, blah blah blah? Charcoal is all well and good but it's nothing as nice as a nice column.

No offense taken -- 

I'm on day 5.5 this morning.  Still bubbling.   The flavor I would describe now is similar to a higher alcohol dry white wine with a tad of effervescence.   I wouldn't be shy about using it as a mixer or even drinking straight now.  (in fact, I will do so tonight!)   So IMHO it is not "vile."   This is by no means rubbing alcohol or "rocket fuel" flavored.

I'm doubting one could make a better vodka than a Titos even with the best home still.  Remember these makers are very experienced professionals with very expensive and sophisticated equipment.   The vodka brands I drink are usually triple or quadruple distilled or filtered.  They run 5 - 7 US dollars and are fine enough.  Most of the competition in the vodka world is centered around bottle design, advertising and flavorings.

We'll have to see how the filtering goes.  I'm guessing the longer it settles and the more I clarify and filter the crisper it will be.

This is essentially a very high alcohol content wine without the grapes and added flavors like chocolate, oak and citrus that vintners put in to mask the flavor.

Indeed I was concerned about the methanol content and researched this.  It appears that methanol content is highest to lowest in the following order ---  hard apple cider,  wine,  beer,  sugar wine (my mix).   (moonshiners typically discard a very small amount of a run to remove methanol. The "head.")  Although the methanol will be much lower than beer,  an additional step I will take is to heat the filtered product slightly to around 140-150 F in a well ventilated area.  Since methanol evaporates at a much lower temp than ethanol most of the very small trace amount should go away.  This step is unneeded but should be a fun part of the experiment. (it is debated within the still community whether this process actually works). 

I had considered the still method but that requires large amounts of funding for initial equipment purchase.  Plus it is illegal to distill in the country I live in.   

My intent is to continually produce a very low cost 'halfka'  that will be mixed to a 5-8% abv with a variety of mixes.   Since I'm mixing,  it doesn't make sense to me to distill the product further only to add back liquids.  My choice of mixes will be water.  My wife will likely choose sparkling lemonade. 

Regarding the esthers and aromatics and blah, blahs, I'm not really sure how that comes about.  Wine and apple cider are not distilled to remove these.  My thinking is that these are concentrated to a certain degree in the distilling process and chemically changed due to the heating process.   They are discarded via the distiller discarding the "tails" or the last of the run and then charcoal filtering.   I may still have some of these flavorings in the final product but I'm thinking the concentration will be lower than in wine which is typically not filtered. 

Drinking at a rate of 8 drinks  per week  the annual cost should be close to $16.  The time to produce this should be in the 3 - 6 hours annually range.

So the amount of stache one would need to sustain this level of alcohol consumption for life would be  $400 US at a 4% SWR.   The bigger the drinker -- the bigger the stache needed.

PS.  I'm not an expert -- only a hobby experimenter. 

Will keep posting and if it turns out nasty I will certainly report this. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2014, 10:45:45 AM »
I'm surprised there's yeast that goes to 20%.

Home brewing interests me when I have more time, but more because I like the craft involved. Doing it to save money isn't really that interesting, and I'm a frugal weirdo as most of you know.

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2014, 11:15:20 AM »
Sorry, it's not Vodka.  Prison hooch maybe?  You are brewing, not distilling...  Good luck though...

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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2014, 11:35:44 AM »
I find this topic interesting, and appreciate the post and updates.  I tried making some home brew once and it was pretty bad, and haven't tried again.  I look forward to hearing how your final product ends up.

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Re: Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2014, 03:42:17 PM »
DrJohn -- I'll take to calling it Halfka as it will be half the ABV as commercial vodka.  I think brewing is too strong a term though.  I might go with vinting?  I'll let you know if the final product is closer to vodka or high strength very dry white wine.  Prison hooch?  Definitely not, as there is no fruit involved or toilets or trash bag liners.  My prison friends used raisins as their primary ingredient and filtered through a sock.   

Goblinchef -- Surprised you're not familiar with Turbo Yeast.  Google it for more info.  I find that most beers and wines vary in flavor by the type of yeast used.    Not much real craft involved with my process--- more like being crafty.  Very simple, low tech and cheap.  Creating a product at home that is 1/10th the cost of the store bought version is appealing to some folks like me.  I'm currently tearing down every expense on my budget sheet and attempting to come as close to zero as desired.  A zero expense column = zero days till retirement.  I don't find this little effort remotely extreme, time consuming or difficult.  Bringing my total beverage budget down from 2000 to 20 per year essentially means I'll need to work 3 less years. 

Elderwood17 -- glad your interested.  I will continue updates.  I have my fingers crossed but it seems to be heading in the right direction.  It was bubbling this morning still,  which is a bit behind schedule but that is probably due to the kitchen being closer to 65 than 75.   And besides,  my 7 year old son is loving this as a science experiment and likes to check the activity with me.  (I do the spoon sampling to be clear). 

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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2014, 03:52:28 PM »
cool! I'm super curious to hear how this turns out. I've always thought home distilling might be interesting... pretty sure it's technically illegal in OK but I don't think anyone would turn me in to ABLE.

That's a federal law, so ... yeah..  OK and every other state.   I don't think you can even distill vinegar or industrial alchohol (legally) without permission.  Not that I care if you do it... but know before you do. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2014, 07:51:19 AM »
Day 6.5.  Still bubbling slowly.  Cloudy.  I think that I will invest in a heat jacket designed for this next time to keep temp at the recommended 75 degrees.   Had a 3 oz glass last night.  Surprisingly tasty.  Still a little sweet.  Hard to gauge the alcohol content.  Used a spoon to gently infuse some air this morning. Might break down and order the hydrometer after all as that would aide me in the long run when mixing it down to the desired 5% ABV.

Spork -- I'm intentionally not distilling.  My process is a wine making process.   

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I'm doubting one could make a better vodka than a Titos even with the best home still.

100% disagreeing with you. If you reddit, check our /r/firewater.

Here's the rub. You get/make a column still, same as any distiller. You strip it first - this separates liquid from solid and junk, essentially, and leaves you with low wines. Next, you do multiple distillation runs, however many you want. They go like this:

- Collect distillate in bottles, small ones, maybe 100ml plus or minus depending on how big your stream is.
- Lightly taste each bottle. For the first run, you can probably take out the first bottle and set it aside, this is your methanol and such (again, depending on how much you're distilling at a time, this might be 10ml or 50ml or 100ml etc...)
- As taste improves, mark each bottle. Eventually taste will start to get worse, mark each bottle.
- Take all the vile bottles - methanol, higher alcohols - and set them aside. This is your "bad" pile.
- Take all of your bottles that taste like water and set them aside. This is your "good" pile. It might take several iterations until you get water-tasting liquor.
- Take all the marginal bottles and re-distill them. Your first run or two might be entirely marginal.
- Eventually you're done re-distilling the same spirit, take all the good stuff and put it in the good pile, all the not so good stuff in the bad pile.

The good pile then is watered down to your choice of ABV. 40, 45, 50, are common.

The more brutal you are in your cuts, the better it tastes. No large company can match this. They need to profit,  you don't. Even amateur distillers will be left with liters of 40% vodka that tastes like water, with barely a hint of burn or taste, drinkable by the glass. I am serious - no other vodka will be this tasteless and this smooth in the store, not tito's, not the $50 5x-distilled pure from russia made from potatoes, not the $200 kissed by virgins vodka. None. This stuff is peerless. Because you make cuts nobody else can afford to because you don't care if 50% of your decent product is wasted, because you're not paying tax so it's still relatively inexpensive.

Now, what do you do with the heads and tails? And the marginal stuff? You mix it all together and use it as industrial-strength degreaser, at some 90% ABV (unwatered down). Anything you clean with the stuff will be shiny and disinfected. Don't drink it, of course.

If you have trouble believing me, the folks on that subreddit show again and again that making absolutely, incredibly excellent vodka is not too difficult. Not only that, but you have an excellent base to make gin or absinthe or similar spirits if you want (neutral grain spirit + botanicals.) It's even high-proof enough for things like absinthe, which are often in the 65-75% ABV range.

But yes, it is illegal. Keep a good head about you - don't blow anything up, don't advertise buying/selling the still on craigslist, and absolutely for fucks sake don't sell any spirit. Give it away as gifts, sure, but never sell it, that paints a big red target on your back. Nobody cares about distilling until you make a fool of yourself.

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2014, 08:43:19 PM »
I stand in awe.  Math doesn't work though? At 200 per bottle it would seem to make sense to discard 90 % of the product?  Thanks so much for that info!  When I get rich sounds like a hobby for me.

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2014, 09:48:04 AM »
I've had excellent results with a fermented lemonade. It's basically sugar wine with some lemon juice added throughout fermentation. I've used juice from lemons off my tree and from the lemon juice at the store (make sure it doesn't have non-fermentable preservatives). I've never taken it as high in ABV as you are with your Halfka, but it's alcoholic enough and light tasting enough that it's surprised me after a few. :-)

Also, I've used Sparkaloid to clarify this and other wines, so it's not just for spirits.

I thought you might be interested since your wife might mix with lemonade. Let us know how it turns out!

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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2014, 10:34:44 AM »
I've had excellent results with a fermented lemonade. It's basically sugar wine with some lemon juice added throughout fermentation. I've used juice from lemons off my tree and from the lemon juice at the store (make sure it doesn't have non-fermentable preservatives). I've never taken it as high in ABV as you are with your Halfka, but it's alcoholic enough and light tasting enough that it's surprised me after a few. :-)

Also, I've used Sparkaloid to clarify this and other wines, so it's not just for spirits.

I thought you might be interested since your wife might mix with lemonade. Let us know how it turns out!

Thanks for the info -- So if I'm understanding you correctly, you start with a sugar/yeast combo and then add lemon a little at a time during the fermentation process? 

Also,  my mix is 7.5 days today and still bubbling a bit.  I will let it sit until all bubbling has dissipated to reach max ABV and use up as much sugar as possible.   It actually taste pretty good at this point with a little bubble in it.   It is cloudy and I think not near the 20% I was hoping for. (based on drinking two shot glasses full, not very scientific so I just ordered the hydrometer)

My question on the Sparkaloid is can this be used a couple of days post fermentation or should I wait several days/weeks until most of the heavier stuff settles out?  Or perhaps I should try it both ways to compare results?

I ask because I was hoping for a clear substance that could then be charcoal filtered to resemble a Vodka in clarity.   My family and friends all seem to be critics so it would be nice to pass their clarity and smell tests. 

Just so everyone knows --- I realize this will come out nowhere near perfection.   

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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2014, 11:25:58 AM »
My mead was undrinkable, I'm not sure what went wrong there, because it is the same process.  Maybe I just don't have a taste for mead.

Mead typically take a minimum of 6 months in the bottle (after fermentation) to "settle out" the flavors (aka before it stops tasting like lighter fluid). I've found it's best to wait a year... which means I hardly ever make mead because waiting a year is ridiculous :)

There is a 'secret' process I redeveloped nearly 20 years ago. Mead is ready faster than beer.

What? How? (Pause for shocked meadmakers to recover)

Drink it before the fermentation finishes.  The term used is small mead or short mead - drink it the way the Vikings did. No bottling. No aging. Just taste it a couple of times a day,  and when you're happy,  put it in the fridge where it will stay good for weeks.

Note: my method is technically a melomel (honey and fruit juice) using pasteur champagne yeast. Typically good from day 2 or 3 through day 5 or 6. Works out really well for a festival.

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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2014, 05:45:21 PM »
The lemon wine has a name in the homebrew world... Skeeter Pee. I've always wanted to try it, but never have. http://skeeterpee.com/?page_id=17

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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2014, 06:38:08 PM »
Arghhhh.... These types of discussions make my chemistry programmed and degreed brain hurt.

First:  you are brewing, fermenting if you want.  It is nigh IMPOSSIBLE to get methanol positioning with yeast + sugar whatever (fruit, honey, maple syrup, cane juice, doesn't matter).  Yeast produce ethanol as a major byproduct of metabolizing sugar (along with CO2).  Methanol poisoning occurs because the alcohol dehydrogenase and other metabolic processes in the human body start processing methanol via the ethanol pathway but can't complete the process due to the structural differences between methanol and ethanol.  The process gets "stuck" and the byproduct a cause all kinds of crazy side effects.  HOWEVER, you are not drinkin methanol.  At worse case you are drinking tainted ethanol water.  The simplest treatment for methanol poisoning is administration of ethanol, therefore the majority ethanol in your alcoholic water will push through the methanol and other -anols in you products.

Methanol does not bioaccumulate due to the metabolic pathways stated above.  You could technically drink a million gallons of MMMs cider and will never go blind, crazy, etc.  Not recommended due to the definite ethanol poisoning you would suffer from.

Legality aside, distillation is an extremely simple, safe process.  If you can handle fire, work safely around hot glass, metal, and liquids; and can read a thermometer you can distill.

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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2014, 08:42:57 PM »
The lemon wine has a name in the homebrew world... Skeeter Pee. I've always wanted to try it, but never have. http://skeeterpee.com/?page_id=17

That's the stuff!  Tasty, easy, and pretty darn cheap. There are lots of variations and suggestions on that site.

You asked about adding the lemon juice, Bob. That site has the info, but adding it all at the beginning when you pitch the yeast is too acidic for the yeast.  So you add some at the beginning, and add the rest at intervals throughout.

About Sparkaloid, I've only used it when my wine/skeeter pee has been sitting for a while. Your best bet might be to transfer it from your fermenter to another jug to get it off most of the yeasts. Then you can add it to that other container since there's less stuff in there. It takes a while for it to fall clear, at least a week.

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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2014, 07:56:02 AM »
The lemon wine has a name in the homebrew world... Skeeter Pee. I've always wanted to try it, but never have. http://skeeterpee.com/?page_id=17

That's the stuff!  Tasty, easy, and pretty darn cheap. There are lots of variations and suggestions on that site.

You asked about adding the lemon juice, Bob. That site has the info, but adding it all at the beginning when you pitch the yeast is too acidic for the yeast.  So you add some at the beginning, and add the rest at intervals throughout.

About Sparkaloid, I've only used it when my wine/skeeter pee has been sitting for a while. Your best bet might be to transfer it from your fermenter to another jug to get it off most of the yeasts. Then you can add it to that other container since there's less stuff in there. It takes a while for it to fall clear, at least a week.

Thanks for that!   I'm on day 9 and my high ABV is still bubbling a tad.   I will go by me another food grade bucket to siphon off the brew after it sits for a few days post fermentation.   I will then start a lemon brew per your suggestion.  That way I'll always have a batch going.  One of straight Halfka and one of LemonKa.   Super thanks!

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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2014, 08:04:10 AM »
I will go by me another food grade bucket to siphon off the brew after it sits for a few days post fermentation.   I will then start a lemon brew per your suggestion.  That way I'll always have a batch going.  One of straight Halfka and one of LemonKa.   Super thanks!

This has always been a problem with me.  I never have a pipeline of batches going, I always end up finishing drinking a batch before starting a new one. Gah!

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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2014, 10:58:35 AM »
Arghhhh.... These types of discussions make my chemistry programmed and degreed brain hurt.

First:  you are brewing, fermenting if you want.  It is nigh IMPOSSIBLE to get methanol positioning with yeast + sugar whatever (fruit, honey, maple syrup, cane juice, doesn't matter).  Yeast produce ethanol as a major byproduct of metabolizing sugar (along with CO2).  Methanol poisoning occurs because the alcohol dehydrogenase and other metabolic processes in the human body start processing methanol via the ethanol pathway but can't complete the process due to the structural differences between methanol and ethanol.  The process gets "stuck" and the byproduct a cause all kinds of crazy side effects.  HOWEVER, you are not drinkin methanol.  At worse case you are drinking tainted ethanol water.  The simplest treatment for methanol poisoning is administration of ethanol, therefore the majority ethanol in your alcoholic water will push through the methanol and other -anols in you products.

Methanol does not bioaccumulate due to the metabolic pathways stated above.  You could technically drink a million gallons of MMMs cider and will never go blind, crazy, etc.  Not recommended due to the definite ethanol poisoning you would suffer from.

Legality aside, distillation is an extremely simple, safe process.  If you can handle fire, work safely around hot glass, metal, and liquids; and can read a thermometer you can distill.

Thanks for that!  I had done a little research on the methanol issue and it is pretty much as you laid out.
 out.   Although I did read in more than one place on the distiller blogs that apple, because of the pectin will generate some methanol.  The quantity is small but apparently enough so that some people get headaches.  I am happy that you confirmed that sugar and yeast should produce little if any methanol. 

Thanks for your input!

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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2014, 11:17:07 AM »
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I'm doubting one could make a better vodka than a Titos even with the best home still.

100% disagreeing with you. If you reddit, check our /r/firewater.

Here's the rub. You get/make a column still, same as any distiller. You strip it first - this separates liquid from solid and junk, essentially, and leaves you with low wines. Next, you do multiple distillation runs, however many you want. They go like this:

- Collect distillate in bottles, small ones, maybe 100ml plus or minus depending on how big your stream is.
- Lightly taste each bottle. For the first run, you can probably take out the first bottle and set it aside, this is your methanol and such (again, depending on how much you're distilling at a time, this might be 10ml or 50ml or 100ml etc...)
- As taste improves, mark each bottle. Eventually taste will start to get worse, mark each bottle.
- Take all the vile bottles - methanol, higher alcohols - and set them aside. This is your "bad" pile.
- Take all of your bottles that taste like water and set them aside. This is your "good" pile. It might take several iterations until you get water-tasting liquor.
- Take all the marginal bottles and re-distill them. Your first run or two might be entirely marginal.
- Eventually you're done re-distilling the same spirit, take all the good stuff and put it in the good pile, all the not so good stuff in the bad pile.

The good pile then is watered down to your choice of ABV. 40, 45, 50, are common.

The more brutal you are in your cuts, the better it tastes. No large company can match this. They need to profit,  you don't. Even amateur distillers will be left with liters of 40% vodka that tastes like water, with barely a hint of burn or taste, drinkable by the glass. I am serious - no other vodka will be this tasteless and this smooth in the store, not tito's, not the $50 5x-distilled pure from russia made from potatoes, not the $200 kissed by virgins vodka. None. This stuff is peerless. Because you make cuts nobody else can afford to because you don't care if 50% of your decent product is wasted, because you're not paying tax so it's still relatively inexpensive.

Now, what do you do with the heads and tails? And the marginal stuff? You mix it all together and use it as industrial-strength degreaser, at some 90% ABV (unwatered down). Anything you clean with the stuff will be shiny and disinfected. Don't drink it, of course.

If you have trouble believing me, the folks on that subreddit show again and again that making absolutely, incredibly excellent vodka is not too difficult. Not only that, but you have an excellent base to make gin or absinthe or similar spirits if you want (neutral grain spirit + botanicals.) It's even high-proof enough for things like absinthe, which are often in the 65-75% ABV range.

But yes, it is illegal. Keep a good head about you - don't blow anything up, don't advertise buying/selling the still on craigslist, and absolutely for fucks sake don't sell any spirit. Give it away as gifts, sure, but never sell it, that paints a big red target on your back. Nobody cares about distilling until you make a fool of yourself.

BS, I need to profit!  What's the end price for this awesome vodka?  If you're gonna break the law anyways, why it might just be cheaper to go with this:

http://www.fishersci.com/ecomm/servlet/fsproductdetail_10652_10784022__-1_0

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Re: Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2014, 01:01:17 PM »
Dragoncar that is awesome!   

It looks like the math works out to around $18 per fifth (750ml) when cut to 40 ABV.  That compares nicely to Titos. (doesn't compare to my 80 cents per fifth equivalency with the Halfka)   

Since it is so pure one would want to be very sure to cut it with some water that has some mineral content.  Otherwise we might be dealing with such a pure solvent it would go right through flesh.   

My guess is that this is the very purest Vodka available anywhere.   I think a bit of the art with vodka actually involves not having it be totally pure.  Even bottled water has minerals added for flavoring.

Good work on finding this stuff!

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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2014, 08:22:41 AM »
So I am on day 12 of what my 7 year old is now calling "our" experiment.   

Here's the progress of the Halfka--

The fermentation ceased around day 9.   Clearing has begun and is slow.  The liquid is a milky yellow unclear potion at this point.   The taste is very decent and would easily make a good mixer at this point. 

There is no sugar taste remaining, so I assume all the sugar converted to alcohol and CO2.   I would guestimate the ABV to be around 15-18% by taste.  Could be as high as the targeted 20%. 

Future steps

I will move the 5 gallon bucket from the kitchen to the garage where it should be around 15 degrees cooler this time of year.   I will allow settling to occur naturally for about 3 more days and then take about 1 gallon of the liquid to experiment with the Sparkaloid brand clearing agent.   The balance will be allowed to settle for several more weeks before adding the clearing agent.  A comparison will be made at that time of the early cleared vs. the long settled and cleared.     

I will then freeze small portions for additional clearing.  (not for ice distillation)   

Once all clearing is achieved I will then filter through filter paper and charcoal medium.   I will charcoal filter at least 3 times.   I'm truly hoping at that point to have a very clear 15-18% alcoholic beverage (Halfka).   

Meanwhile I will start another batch, so that there is always a batch that has months to settle out.   I may try the lemon flavored method on this second batch per poster suggestions.   

For the purest here -- yes, this technically isn't Vodka since it isn't distilled.  Thus we shall enjoy using the term Halfka.   Since I'm always mixing vodka anyways, it would make little sense to me to shoot for any higher alcohol content and purity is not that important when mixing.   My guess it that when mixing a vodka and lemonade, only a very small percentage of the population could tell the difference between my potion and actual distilled vodka. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2014, 09:04:08 AM »
We used to buy this for our Histology lab - of course it is cheap, no excise tax - but the paperwork and RCMP visits make it a pain.  We shifted to lab grade - not drinkable, but works for Histo.

The SAQ sells 94 % alcohol (Alcool) for $64.25CN for 1.14L or $24.25 for 375ml, and 40% alcohol for $31.00 for 1.14L.  So if you want straight alcohol for a reasonable price, it can be found.


BS, I need to profit!  What's the end price for this awesome vodka?  If you're gonna break the law anyways, why it might just be cheaper to go with this:
http://www.fishersci.com/ecomm/servlet/fsproductdetail_10652_10784022__-1_0

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2014, 09:18:34 AM »
Update -  I added the Sparkaloid clarifier 3 days ago.  It made the liquid an unpleasing muddy brown.  I was discouraged.

Didn't look for 3 days and this morning the bucket has a very clear liquid (clear as water) and you can see the bottom with all the sediment.   I didn't taste it as I was heading for work.   The aroma is very muted.

So tonight it will be on to the charcoal filtering stage.

I mistakenly didn't use a hydrometer so I'm not sure what the alcohol content is at this point.   

I decided to order a heater wrap for the bucket in order to keep the fermenting at the optimal temperature in the future and my son says he knows a fellow who took a cooper still on trade.  That may be of interest to me if the price is right. 

Its a learning curve and pretty cheap thrills at this point. 

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« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2014, 03:50:12 PM »
Update -  I added the Sparkaloid clarifier 3 days ago.  It made the liquid an unpleasing muddy brown.  I was discouraged.

Didn't look for 3 days and this morning the bucket has a very clear liquid (clear as water) and you can see the bottom with all the sediment.   I didn't taste it as I was heading for work.   The aroma is very muted.

So tonight it will be on to the charcoal filtering stage.

I mistakenly didn't use a hydrometer so I'm not sure what the alcohol content is at this point.   

I decided to order a heater wrap for the bucket in order to keep the fermenting at the optimal temperature in the future and my son says he knows a fellow who took a cooper still on trade.  That may be of interest to me if the price is right. 

Its a learning curve and pretty cheap thrills at this point.

What exactly is the "charcoal filter medium" - I don't understand what this would be....?

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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2014, 06:43:46 PM »
Update -  I added the Sparkaloid clarifier 3 days ago.  It made the liquid an unpleasing muddy brown.  I was discouraged.

Didn't look for 3 days and this morning the bucket has a very clear liquid (clear as water) and you can see the bottom with all the sediment.   I didn't taste it as I was heading for work.   The aroma is very muted.

So tonight it will be on to the charcoal filtering stage.

I mistakenly didn't use a hydrometer so I'm not sure what the alcohol content is at this point.   

I decided to order a heater wrap for the bucket in order to keep the fermenting at the optimal temperature in the future and my son says he knows a fellow who took a cooper still on trade.  That may be of interest to me if the price is right. 

Its a learning curve and pretty cheap thrills at this point.

What exactly is the "charcoal filter medium" - I don't understand what this would be....?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering

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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2014, 06:48:17 AM »
My grandpa does this and makes tons of wine too. It isnt bad. Some times a batch is horrible but on average it is pretty good.

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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2014, 09:10:26 AM »
So last night I lovingly transferred the clear liquid from the food grade bucket sitting in my kitchen corner to two very large bowls and added about 1 cup of charcoal filter medium.   I stirred a lot as I added the Halfka.

An intermediary step was to filter the liquid through a no bleach coffee filter.   I was amazed at how long it took to filter through the paper and switched out the filter 3 times.   It took about 20 minutes to filter a small basket full through the paper.   I take this to mean there was still substantial "stuff" in the clear base.

So I then sampled three ways for comparison --

Clear liquid prior to paper filter
Liquid after paper filter
Liquid after charcoal

The results indicated a mellowing after each filter step.

I will continue to allow the charcoal to sit in the liquid and stir a couple of times per day.  That should allow more progress.   The final filtering process will be through the coffee filters again to remove any charcoal dust particles.

I must say I'm happy with the results.    I'm guestimating the Halfka didn't make it to half but rather is around 15% ABV.   (will try to improve on this with the bucket heater on next trial).   The liquid is clear and I believe the final filtered liquid will be very close to as clear as still made vodka.   

The flavor is just a tad on the wine side at this point but that may improve with more contact with the charcoal. 

I mixed a 50/50 halfka and water for sampling.   This is probably near the ratio I will most often drink it at, around 6-7% ABV.   It was near odorless and had just a hint of tartness.   No ice was used.  I rate the flavor as pleasing.

Most of the time I mix vodka and water over ice there is a semisweet taste.  I'm thinking that this is in part due to the creative use of the various waters used to cut the vodka by the manufacturers and to the natural flavor of my well water.

So I am putting down this first round as a major success.  My reasoning:

The cost was about what I predicted at 4-5 cents per drink.
The product is clear with very little smell and is a closer analogue to vodka than to wine.
The procedure was easy peasy and very interesting to watch
I learned some very nice things
And most importantly I have about a 8-10 week supply to last me while I make up another batch!

My learning in the future will include using different types of turbo yeast.   It is my belief that for wine and beer that yeast is a flavor component that has a significant effect on the final product flavor.

I will also experiment with freezing some product at various stages in an effort to remove extremely small particles.   (shh, I may even attempt a small sample of ice distilling)

So is it worth it?   Yes,  I believe for an open minded mustachian it is very worth it!  For beer and wine snobs (even though my product taste substantially better) maybe not. 

Here is a cost estimate for the average drinking couple.
If the average drinking couple of age 25 drinks 17 beers per week (or wine/liquor equivalency) at a cost of $22 per week.  Their annual cost is $1,144.   If they switch to the Halfka and water system their annual cost will be $35.   A difference of $1109 annually.   If they invest $1109 at 9% until they are 65 they will have $330,000.  (one poster on the forum is a 27 year old gentleman who is spending $300 per month at bars)

I will report back after the charcoal sits and the final paper filter is completed. 

Suggestions, comments and improvements are welcome.  (for those of you concerned early in this process this did not turn out to be jail house hooch or rocket fuel)

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Re: Homemade Vodka - Easy - 4 Cents a drink
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2014, 10:07:45 AM »

 

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