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Title: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: sassy1234 on September 11, 2013, 09:47:45 AM
I have officially given up coffee!  A very expensive and unhealthy (I like a lot of cream and sugar with my coffee) habit. 

I think I was spending around $100 per month on the stuff, and that does not include the organic milk to make my lattes or the occasional starbucks trip. 

I plan to sell me expensive capsule espresso maker and milk steamer.  I might get $200. 

The 2 weeks of withdrawal were totally worth it. I am now interested in eating breakfast, not tired in the afternoons, and I am newly pregnant and caffeine is not the best decision. 

I think I will pat myself on the back.    Anyone else kick this habit? 

Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: hybrid on September 11, 2013, 09:54:01 AM
Ummmmmmm, not even close.  It's somewhere on my to do list, but there are other lower hanging fruit I am attending to first.  But good for you all the same!  Congratulations.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Rickk on September 11, 2013, 09:57:26 AM
Good for you (pat on back).

I had to give it up to get off of stomach medications (I had persistent GERD that I was permanently on prilosec for).  Giving up coffee was a requirement to get off the meds, and yes I am living just fine without the coffee now.
And yes - it is quite a savings (although I still occasionally drink rooibos tea - which tastes a lot like regular tea but doesn't mess with my stomach - and does not have caffeine). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos)
 
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deimyts on September 11, 2013, 10:58:55 AM
I tend to go through cycles - Caffeine tolerance both builds up and fades pretty quickly, so whenever I notice myself getting a little too dependent, I try to cut back a little. I'm on a downward cycle right now, easing up on the caffeine to reduce my tolerance back to where I can get a nice buzz from a single cup again.

I've gotten myself down to 1 cup a day for now, but I supplement it with plenty of tea. In a week or so I'll likely drop that last cup, and drink just tea for a while, and after that, if I'm feeling extreme, no caffeine at all for another week. Then I'll remember why I like coffee in the first place and start all over again.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: FunkyStickman on September 11, 2013, 11:06:06 AM
I've quit... several times.

Currently quitting again. Sticking to green tea.

The main reason I started drinking coffee was to compensate for lack of sleep, which isn't very healthy. Add ot that several hundred calories of sugar and creamer a day, and it's a recipe for disaster.

So yeah, I'm currently in recovery.

You never really overcome your addiction. :)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: olivia on September 11, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
Awesome, congratulations!  I switched to tea and feel a lot better. Coffee gave me the shakes so I'd end up eating something crappy to feel better.  Plus not spending a couple bucks a day is even better!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Luck better Skill on September 11, 2013, 12:53:09 PM
  Not a coffee snob, never liked Starbucks, yet I do not intend to give it up.  I drink very few soda's now as I first reach for coffee.  Diet soda is not an option as I am allergic to aspartame.  And I sure don't put a dozen spoons of sugar in a cup of coffee. 
  If it works for you, great.  I am the dissenting opinion.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: footenote on September 11, 2013, 01:07:41 PM
One of the results I had not anticipated from 23andme genetic testing was whether I was a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine.

Turns out I am a slow metabolizer (husband is a fast metabolizer). Being a slow metabolizer increases heart attack risk caused by caffeine. So I gave it up with no problems and find I am slightly less "buzzy."

(And being a fast metabolizer explained the mystery of him being able to drink coffee at 9pm and fall fast asleep a few hours later!)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: MissStache on September 11, 2013, 01:24:48 PM
One of the results I had not anticipated from 23andme genetic testing was whether I was a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine.

Turns out I am a slow metabolizer (husband is a fast metabolizer). Being a slow metabolizer increases heart attack risk caused by caffeine. So I gave it up with no problems and find I am slightly less "buzzy."

(And being a fast metabolizer explained the mystery of him being able to drink coffee at 9pm and fall fast asleep a few hours later!)

I never knew that there were different levels of caffeine metabolism!  Now I know why any caffeine after 12 PM keeps me up until midnight (and I guess why I can easily get by on one cup a day).   Not so good news about the heart attack risk...

I'm thinking 23 and me will be our Christmas presents this year!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: lauren_knows on September 11, 2013, 01:26:34 PM
I've recently quit, but mostly due to a personal experiment regarding inflammation. 

Coffee doesn't have to be expensive though.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deimyts on September 11, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
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Coffee doesn't have to be expensive though.

True. One thing that can help, even if you care about the taste, is to brew it with spices. Cinnamon and cardamom are some of my favorites. Add it to the ground coffee before brewing, and you'll get a nice flavor that isn't as overpowering as buying flavored coffee. It still doesn't beat good coffee, but it can make bad coffee palatable, without resorting to tons of sugar and cream.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: lauren_knows on September 11, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
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Coffee doesn't have to be expensive though.

True. One thing that can help, even if you care about the taste, is to brew it with spices. Cinnamon and cardamom are some of my favorites. Add it to the ground coffee before brewing, and you'll get a nice flavor that isn't as overpowering as buying flavored coffee. It still doesn't beat good coffee, but it can make bad coffee palatable, without resorting to tons of sugar and cream.

Yeah, I've done the cinnamon/nutmeg thing before.  I learned to drink coffee black a long time ago, during my first bout of the Paleo diet.  I actually enjoy it much more that way (unless it's made WAY too strong, where a bit of cream can cut the strength). 
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Mr.Macinstache on September 11, 2013, 01:43:22 PM
I quit drinking Mt. Dew in the morning, so I can totally relate to your accomplishment. I was addicted to the sugar as much as the caffeine. It was hell on earth for awhile there.

I now drink a dose of Braggs apple cider vinegar, 1 part cranberry juice and 2 parts water. Best stuff ever. It has cured my indigestion and dry skin issues.

I follow up with iced tea throughout the day. I don't miss the 25 lbs I lost so far this year. Adios sugar!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: ruthiegirl on September 11, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Good for you!

I gave it up a few years ago, because it contributed to my headaches...howler monkeys in my cranium awful headaches.  I feel better, spend less and am a happier person in the morning. 

I do get a bit wistful when I bike past the local coffee shop.  It looks so warm and lovely in there.  Sure, I could stop in for a cup of something hot, but it just isn't the same. 
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: FunkyStickman on September 12, 2013, 11:03:36 AM
I'm going on day 5 without coffee... I still have some dark roast beans in my pantry, though.. and my French press mocks me...
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: kkbmustang on September 12, 2013, 05:03:15 PM
I've given up caffeine twice in my life: in college for a couple of years and then again for about 4-5 years when I was preparing for conception/pregnant/nursing/pregnant/nursing. My youngest had chronic ear infections which resulted in her not sleeping through the night until she was almost two and a half YEARS old. I had to get through a 10 hour work day somehow, so once I weaned her the coffee came back. In a big bad way. Like all day long.

Now I've cut back significantly, but I still enjoy a cup or two in the morning. The rest of the day I drink water or herbal tea. And I'm fine with that. I love a good cup of joe in the morning.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deano on September 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
One of the results I had not anticipated from 23andme genetic testing was whether I was a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine.

Turns out I am a slow metabolizer (husband is a fast metabolizer). Being a slow metabolizer increases heart attack risk caused by caffeine. So I gave it up with no problems and find I am slightly less "buzzy."

(And being a fast metabolizer explained the mystery of him being able to drink coffee at 9pm and fall fast asleep a few hours later!)

I'd be curious to see a definitive link between caffeine and heart disease.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: hoodedfalcon on September 12, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Good for you.

I could probably quit coffee, but I don't want to. There is not one piece of me that wants to give it up. Sometimes when I go to bed at night, I am already looking forward to the first cup of coffee in the morning. I love it. I remember the very first time I smelled coffee as a child. I loved it before I ever tried it. I've got it bad.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: footenote on September 12, 2013, 08:00:30 PM
One of the results I had not anticipated from 23andme genetic testing was whether I was a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine.

Turns out I am a slow metabolizer (husband is a fast metabolizer). Being a slow metabolizer increases heart attack risk caused by caffeine. So I gave it up with no problems and find I am slightly less "buzzy."

(And being a fast metabolizer explained the mystery of him being able to drink coffee at 9pm and fall fast asleep a few hours later!)

I'd be curious to see a definitive link between caffeine and heart disease.

Just quoting what I was told on 23andme.com. Could be well researched. Could not be well researched. If you are curious, research it.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Mississippi Mudstache on September 13, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
I think I will pat myself on the back.    Anyone else kick this habit?

Quite the contrary, actually. I was never a big fan of coffee, but a couple of years ago I began drinking it regularly after reading about some research that links coffee consumption to Alzheimer's prevention (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128110552). My mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's when she was 50 years old, and she had been going downhill for many years by the time she was diagnosed. She is now 55 and lives in an assisted living facility and does not know who I am - but she does know that she loves me and gets excited when I go to see her, so at least there's that. There's nothing that I find more terrifying than Alzheimer's, and any little thing I can do that might help, I am going to do it. I now love coffee and I drink about 4 cups most days.

I will say that after I discovered MMM, I got on a bit of a health kick, so I cut out high-calorie beverages. That means I now drink my coffee black - no cream, no sugar, and no artificial sweeteners. Sometimes I will add a little honey or a splash of milk if I'm not in the mood for black coffee. Also, caffeine doesn't seem to affect me the way it does some folks. My wife drank a cup of coffee a few weeks ago at around 8 PM and was up cleaning the house until after midnight. I had two cups and was sound asleep by 10 PM.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Undecided on September 13, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
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Coffee doesn't have to be expensive though.

True. One thing that can help, even if you care about the taste, is to brew it with spices. Cinnamon and cardamom are some of my favorites. Add it to the ground coffee before brewing, and you'll get a nice flavor that isn't as overpowering as buying flavored coffee. It still doesn't beat good coffee, but it can make bad coffee palatable, without resorting to tons of sugar and cream.

Sounds like that's for people who don't care about the taste of the coffee.

Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: ace1224 on September 13, 2013, 01:14:42 PM
wow! i am not even close to kicking that habit.  i love my morning coffee.  a lot.  i probably won't ever have the desire to quit
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: grantmeaname on September 13, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
I don't even slightly desire to quit. Then again, I mostly drink decaf.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Dee18 on September 13, 2013, 04:51:13 PM
I love coffee.  I cut back some years ago, but joyfully increased my consumption when I read it's good for the brain.  NY Times, June 6, 2013, "Well" column.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: imustachemystash on September 13, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
Coffee has such mixed research propraganda.  Kind of like eggs.  If it's making you feel better by quitting it then great!  I enjoy my morning ritual of starting the day off with freshly brewed coffee and don't think I will ever have the desire to quit.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Freckles on September 13, 2013, 10:31:44 PM
Good job!  It's hard to kick a habit.  I have not given up coffee but I did give up drinking it with sugar in it.  I never thought I could enjoy coffee without sugar, and it took a couple of weeks, but I really actually like it now.  I'm trying to completely eliminate sugar but that's not going quite as well.  I've reduced my consumption, at least.  Baby steps!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: steveo on September 14, 2013, 12:54:33 AM
I drink coffee every day and I can't see myself stopping because I figure it is cheap and more than likely healthy. I get costco coffee beans and have my own machine. I drink espresso say 5-7 cups per day.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: JamesAt15 on September 14, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
I don't even slightly desire to quit. Then again, I mostly drink decaf.

When my mom found out I was drinking decaf (at the time), she strongly recommended I only drink coffee decaffeinated via the "Swiss Water Process". She wasn't a fan of the normal decaffeination process, which uses a bunch of chemical solvents to dissolve out most of the caffeine.

I thought this was another slightly off, likely misinterpreted Mom Idea, but checking on the web (like here (http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/04/how-decaffeinated-coffee-is-made/), for example), looks like she was on to something. Sounds like they at least don't use benzene anymore, but I guess it depends on how you feel about ethyl acetate or methylene chloride. Not being a chemist, I am not sure how big a deal this is.

FWIW.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: grantmeaname on September 15, 2013, 09:14:21 AM
Interesting article. I'm not concerned, but then I'm not a chemist either and as far as I know I'm invincible, so take that how you will.

Decaf drinkers: half the reason decaf sucks is the decaffeination process, but the other half is coffeemakers using shittier beans for the decaf versions of products because consumers aren't willing to pay more for decaf (sez Alton Brown (http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/season2/coffee/coffeetranscript.htm)). If you're drinking shitty decaf now, you could spend a little bit more and get half as shitty decaf.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deimyts on September 16, 2013, 02:12:54 PM
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Sounds like that's for people who don't care about the taste of the coffee.

Haha, fair enough. I meant it more as a way to bring terrible coffee up to 'palatable.' It still doesn't compare with good coffee, for sure. But it has helped me from wasting some very cheap and very awful beans that I would not otherwise have been able to drink.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: LowER on September 16, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
I love caffeine and will drink anything resembling coffee, but not too much because one cup after 4 pm will keep me up to 2 or 3 a.m. (cheap and wild date). I was turned off of Starbuck's (thank goodness) many years ago when they never had any non-dairy creamer (and I acquired lactose intolerance from a bad GI infection 15 years ago).  There have been many, many, many studies on caffeine, with many done by the military, all with less than super conclusive results. 

If tea didn't make my heart conduction go haywire, I'd live on green tea (search ECGC on Google Scholar).

Oddly, decaf makes me much more jittery than regular coffee; we all metabolize things differently.  So much so, that specialties are arising in the assessment of this, especially across lines of ethnicity.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: burly on September 16, 2013, 06:03:22 PM
Reading this post makes me want coffee.... maybe I should consider quitting...
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: decibelle on September 16, 2013, 08:56:03 PM
One of the results I had not anticipated from 23andme genetic testing was whether I was a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine.

Turns out I am a slow metabolizer (husband is a fast metabolizer). Being a slow metabolizer increases heart attack risk caused by caffeine. So I gave it up with no problems and find I am slightly less "buzzy."

(And being a fast metabolizer explained the mystery of him being able to drink coffee at 9pm and fall fast asleep a few hours later!)

I never knew that there were different levels of caffeine metabolism!  Now I know why any caffeine after 12 PM keeps me up until midnight (and I guess why I can easily get by on one cup a day).   Not so good news about the heart attack risk...

I'm thinking 23 and me will be our Christmas presents this year!

I cannot give up coffee.  Specifically, GOOD coffee.  It is enough for me to drink a latte every other Saturday morning as a treat. 

My 23andme result says I'm a fast metabolizer.  I've been recommending 23andme to everyone!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: basd on September 17, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Good for you.

I could probably quit coffee, but I don't want to. There is not one piece of me that wants to give it up. Sometimes when I go to bed at night, I am already looking forward to the first cup of coffee in the morning. I love it. I remember the very first time I smelled coffee as a child. I loved it before I ever tried it. I've got it bad.
This. Coffee and dark chocolate are two pleasures I'd never give up (except for health reasons, should they come up).
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Nords on September 17, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
I have officially given up coffee! 
... and I am newly pregnant ...
Well, now I'm afraid to stop drinking coffee...

I was pretty much fueled by caffeine from 1982-2002 (submarine watchstanding, then parenthood) and coffee has always smelled good.  I quit in 2002 for about six months in favor of green tea.  Then I started bringing coffee back (along with the green tea).  Every morning is now 24 oz of green tea followed by 12-36 oz of black coffee (depending on how busy things get). 

Coffee has also been linked with improving athletic performance, so I'll always have a cup before working out.  And if I'm going surfing (especially during the winter) then I'll have the cup or two before paddling out.

Putting cream, sugar, and spices in coffee is just a waste of good coffee.  Or a waste of good cream, sugar, & spices.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: keepingmobens on September 17, 2013, 10:36:59 PM
We are not prepared to give up coffee, however we have minimized the cost. We buy folgers from Costco for .20 cents/oz, and Walmart sells a lesser known brand for .16/oz, but we haven't tried that yet. We used to use the sweetened creamer at .10/oz, but we've switched to regular half and half bought at Costco for less than half that, combined with regular sugar also bought at Costco in 25 lb sacks.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Peanut Butter on September 18, 2013, 05:15:55 AM
I gave up coffee at home (on rare occasions, I will have some sort of ridiculously caloriffic Starbucks concoction) but I replaced it with tea, which is more expensive. I've cut down on some of the cost by brewing my tea in the coffee maker (1 bag in the carafe, then run just hot water through it and let it steep) so I get 5 cups out of a bag at least.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Fawn on September 18, 2013, 01:51:17 PM
You will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Love coffee.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: MrsStubble on September 18, 2013, 06:18:49 PM
I actually like the flavor of coffee (black) but i don't drink it very often (don't have a need for it). 

I was addicted to diet pepsi for a while before i saw the light about the evils of soda (diet soda especially), now i won't go anywhere near any of it. Smells like battery acid, what did i ever see in it???
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: prosaic on September 18, 2013, 07:42:15 PM
You will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Love coffee.

+1
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deimyts on September 19, 2013, 06:39:32 PM
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but I replaced it with tea, which is more expensive.

Have you tried drinking looseleaf tea? Here you can get a pound of decent black looseleaf tea from an Indian supermarket for about 5-6 dollars, which is a little cheaper than a pound of decent-tasting coffee, although more expensive than terrible coffee.

But with tea, you only need about 1 tsp. of leaves per 8 oz. of water, so that pound lasts a lot longer. I bought this particular box several months ago and have barely made a dent in it, and I drink a lot of tea.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: FunkyStickman on September 20, 2013, 11:42:25 AM
So, I un-quit coffee this week.

Yeah, I know. But, I only drank half of what I normally drink. Still doing green tea, too.

I guess I'm just limiting my dependence on it. But man, is freshly ground and pressed coffee awesome!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Meggslynn on September 20, 2013, 12:47:47 PM
Congratulations on the pregnancy!

I switched to tea when I was pregnant and it helped with the morning sickness too boot!

HOWEVER, when baby was born and needed feedings every three hours tea didn't cut it anymore and went back to coffee instead.

We use the "old-fashioned" drip machine and a ten dollar tin of grounds once a month and it tastes pretty good with skim milk and a drop or two of stevia.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: KonaFred on September 20, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
Some opinions from a coffee farmer and coffee drinker...

1. Not all coffee has the same effect on people. Some coffees are less acidic than others and have different chemical profiles. As an experiment I serve my coffee after dinner to guests and have found that almost all are able to sleep well with no midnight insomnia. I don't know if I've created the response by telling them it won't keep them up, but it works. My wife gets the shakes from SB and some other brands, but is fine with our Kona. Not entirely scientific, but interesting nonetheless.
2. Coffee doesn't have to blow a hole in one's budget. A really good coffee (such as an Estate grown Kona Coffee) is close to 50 cents a cup if brewed at home. I see the retail coffee drinkers paying 600% what they should at $3.00 for a flavored, dairy-ed, sugar laden cup.
3. Just like knowing your farmer, the closer you get to the source the better the quality and lower the cost. Having a high quality origin coffee fresh roasted and brewed right is not only extremely affordable, it has a flavor that is hard to match. A real wow factor when people taste it. No alterations needed to make it palatable.
4. I maybe drink a little too much coffee, but I view it as supporting the industry. I enjoy tasting other coffee and will drink a SB brewed, but always black. The way I see it, just because I'm  not riding in my Ferrari, doesn't mean I want to walk.

Aloha
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Deimyts on September 20, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
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Coffee doesn't have to blow a hole in one's budget. A really good coffee (such as an Estate grown Kona Coffee) is close to 50 cents a cup if brewed at home. I see the retail coffee drinkers paying 600% what they should at $3.00 for a flavored, dairy-ed, sugar laden cup.

Where do you buy it, and how do you brew it,? (method, grounds to coffee ratio, etc.)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: KonaFred on September 20, 2013, 02:05:29 PM
Aloha Deimyts,

I'll be happy to drop you a PM for the URL to my family's farm direct website. Being new to the forum, I don't want to abuse my welcome with advertising.

Unless you do your own roasting, the best option is to order whole bean, fresh roasted. If it's been roasted and sitting around for months in its bag the freshness is gone. Grind it yourself (I use a very cheap, $12 model). Best quality brew method for most is simple french press, but a normal drip works fine as well. Here's good concise link to the National Coffee Association page that captures all you'll need to know.

http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=71

A hui hou,
Fred
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: chasesfish on September 20, 2013, 07:22:22 PM
I've recently quit, but mostly due to a personal experiment regarding inflammation. 

Coffee doesn't have to be expensive though.

+1 to not having to be that expensive.  I'm a huge coffee snob and don't spend more than $30/mo on beans for two people.  Drink it black, filters are a negligible cost.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: in2themild on September 20, 2013, 07:48:29 PM
I have some vices that I would like to give up, but coffee is absolutely not one of them - totally cheap considering the enjoyment derived, and if you learn to drink it black (the only way it actually tastes good), it's fantastic for you by almost every metric.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Nords on September 20, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
I'll be happy to drop you a PM for the URL to my family's farm direct website. Being new to the forum, I don't want to abuse my welcome with advertising.
Fred, could I have that URL too, please?

Your family's not the one who lost an excavator in a lava tunnel collapse while planting a crop, are they?
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: mrm on September 22, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
I'm coming up on two months without it.  I quit mainly because I didn't like the feeling of "needing" it.  After getting through the first 3 days, I felt so much better.  I have energy all day and no headaches. 

Just this weekend I talked about selling the coffee maker.  I'm over it.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: ritchie70 on September 22, 2013, 08:53:18 PM
  Not a coffee snob, never liked Starbucks, yet I do not intend to give it up.  I drink very few soda's now as I first reach for coffee.  Diet soda is not an option as I am allergic to aspartame.  And I sure don't put a dozen spoons of sugar in a cup of coffee. 
  If it works for you, great.  I am the dissenting opinion.

I'm dissenting with you. I'm happy with my coffee, and I can't imagine how people can spend a lot of money on it.

I'd sure rather drink coffee or tea than soda or even juice - no calories in coffee and tea, and mankind has been drinking both for centuries with no real ill effects.

I get buy whatever's cheapest and unflavored whole bean at Sam's Club, grind it right before I make the coffee, and drink it black. Lately it's been Eight O'Clock original, but before that it was house brand (Members Mark or whatever.)

Or if I'm at work that day, I drink theirs for free. There's been a lot of work from home days lately, so my coffee spending has gone up to maybe $10 - $15 a month? That's making a pot a day and drinking about 2/3 of it myself.

Yes, I have the monkey on my back, but for me, it's a friendly monkey.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: happy on September 26, 2013, 09:38:13 AM
in my past I have been a huge coffee addict.  As I got older I couldn't drink so much: it would keep me awake. I've quit quite a few times - and feel better without it once the withdrawl is over.  I finally quit a year ago or so.  I don't keep coffee at home. I drink  the odd good coffee if I'm having a meal out, a one cup only sometimes at work (good coffee and cheap - <50c/cup).  But I don't crave it in between. My tea consumption has however dramatically increased in its place.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: ichangedmyname on September 26, 2013, 09:55:55 AM
My husband and I are big coffee drinkers (him more than me) and for Christmas last year my mother-in-law gave him the Starbucks Verissimo machine. It's pretty cool. At first. It uses special cups, not like the Keurig cups which are on sale and just cheaper than the Starbucks cups. He was spending ridiculous money on coffee. He liked convenience but I told him it's for  people who like 1 cup of coffee and that's it. For someone like him who loves coffee he just needs to make 1 big pot using the regular coffee maker. He finally saw the light about 6 months later (palm meet face) and found a latte maker on clearance at Walmart for $60 that uses regular ground coffee and milk, no pods, no special cups.

It's working out great money-wise since we just buy bulk coffee beans at Costco and regular milk.

But now my mother-in-law is upset that he doesn't use her "present" anymore. He's spending like 25% of what he used to spend with the Verissimo. I am proud of him.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: RMD on September 26, 2013, 12:43:03 PM
I gave up coffee when pregnant and after pregnancy found that I could no longer drink it without sugar!  I always drank my coffee black.  I am trying to wean myself off of the sugar, but it isn't working too well.

My work has free coffee...but they just switched providers and the new stuff is AWFUL.  I am not a coffee snob.  I was raised on Folgers and Maxwell House and those do just fine by me.  This new stuff...someone forgot what roasting meant and burned the beans.  It's awful and, for me, undrinkable...which might be the goal of work, to get us to drink less and to drop the free coffee as a (pardon the pun) perk.

At home...I am ashamed to say...I bought one of the Cafe Valet machines ($12)...the kind in hotels.  I have a lot of friends who travel and they bring me back the packets so I rarely have to purchase them.  I drink a cup a day or so.  Sometimes I'll skip a day and sometimes I'll have two in the morning.  I'm the only one in my house who drinks coffee, though, so making a pot doesn't work too well.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: No Name Guy on September 27, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
I guess in reading this thread I don't get the OP. 

OP - pray tell, how could you spend $100 / month on coffee (with the milk, etc being ON TOP of this)?

In coffee crazed Seattle, good, 100% Arabica beans can be had for the order of $10-$15 / lb. and pretty fair for somewhat less.

Unless you're drinking the cat crap coffee ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak) I'd find it hard to drink enough to spend a $100 / month on beans.  I rarely go through more than a 4 pounds a month, and that's for 2 of us. 

The "correct" amount is 21 grams per 8 ounce cup of drip.
http://stumptowncoffee.com/a-scale-is-not-just-for-coffee-geeks/
21 grams (to the first order) is 3/4 of an ounce.  So, per pound, that's about 21 cups of coffee.

The "correct" amount for a double shot of espresso is 16-20 grams.
http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide-dose-distribute-tamp.html
For an "order of magnitude" calculation, use 20 grams, 454 grams / lb yields 22+ double shot pulls per pound.

Say one allots themselves 2 cups per day, that would be about 10 days per pound, or about 3 lbs / month, for drip.  At $10 / lb - only $30.
If one were a latte drinker, 2 double shot latte's per day would yield 11 days per pound, or a bit under 3 lbs / month, so a bit under $30.

One fact folks may not know:  Good coffee (e.g. Arabica, the bean type used exclusively in all speciality coffee) has about 1/2 the caffeine of the crap coffee (Robusta, the bean type used in mass market pre-ground canned coffee). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee   
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The two most common sources of coffee beans are the highly regarded Coffea arabica, and the "robusta" form of the hardier Coffea canephora. The latter is resistant to the coffee leaf rust (Hemileia vastatrix), but has a more bitter taste.

Note:  I have to admit that several years ago, I went to these guys
http://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/
And bought a double boiler, semi-automatic, one group espresso machine, with a related proper grinder.  All in cost, about $1,500 (more or less, the lowest cost "real" espresso machine for home use - 110v and water tank, in lieu of plumbed in and 220v).  Its used every morning just about (unless on days like today when a pot of drip is made).  Typically I'm making a latte for myself and another for the SO every work morning, and sometimes on weekends as well.  Call the utilization about 10 lattes / week.  See the thread where I've started making my own Torrani type syrups (just whipped up a batch last night.)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: steveo on September 27, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
I read an article today stating that drinking coffee reduces your risk of heart disease as well as having some other health benefits. I drink it black with no sugar so I figure it has to be healthy for me. I also very rarely buy coffee as a single drink from a cafe or whatever.

So to me it is healthy and cheap.

I fail to see anything but positive benefits from drinking coffee assuming you aren't buying triple cream flavored coffees (they should probably be called milkshakes) from Starbucks or something similar.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Appletree on September 28, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
I gave regular coffee a while ago but I'm now drinking decaff. I grind mine from beans and it's pretty cheap. 20$ gives me coffee for 3 months.

I had horrible problems because I was drinking coffee in every client meeting. And it's offered everywhere. It was something like 15 cups I was drinking during  worst days.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: HappierAtHome on September 29, 2013, 04:01:57 AM
I'm trying to muster up the balls (bad image there!) to join this challenge.

Been a coffee addict since 12. It would make me feel incredibly powerful to beat my addiction.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: worms on September 29, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
The "correct" amount is...

When my son was about 6 years old, he came home from school and told me that Beethoven had insisted that the perfect cup of coffee was made with 60 beans.  That sounded a lot to me, so we counted out 60 beans, ground them and placed the grounds in the 1-cup coffee maker. 

Beethoven was spot-on!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee (and blessed coffee substitute)
Post by: a2 on September 29, 2013, 09:24:59 PM
If you're getting off the coffee but find that tea doesn't quite satisfy, you might try one (o more) of several barley-based instant hot drinks. The Germans make one called Pero; a very tasty US brand is OSKRI. Some have chicory and roasted beets in the mix, some are straight up roasted barley, and all are many times easier on the the stomach in terms of acid production.  I suppose they are a bit of an acquired taste, but what I love about them is that they have a "mouth feel,"  roasted flavor, and soothing warmth similar to those I associate with coffee, especially when you add a little milk. These "barley coffees" come in powder form, so it's easy to put some in a baggie and stash in an office drawer for convenient use or to take some to a restaurant and ask for hot water at the table so that you can enjoy an after-dinner "coffee" that won't keep you up or require Previcid. You may pay $8 for a jar of it, but that will give you many more cups (mileage may vary depending on taste) than you would get for $8 worth of coffee, even home-brewed.  Budget wins, health wins, and you still get to enjoy a cuppa in the morning.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: dragoncar on September 30, 2013, 02:12:42 PM
Glorious coffee... Teacher, mother, secret lover
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: FuckRx on September 30, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
Glorious coffee... Teacher, mother, secret lover

awesome! :)
the world would be a darker place without her!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: RMD on September 30, 2013, 02:19:00 PM
Glorious coffee... Teacher, mother, secret lover

T-shirt.  Needs to be on a t-shirt...
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: basd on September 30, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
Glorious coffee... Teacher, mother, secret lover

T-shirt.  Needs to be on a t-shirt...
www.cafepress.com

Now there's an appropriate URL.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: grantmeaname on October 01, 2013, 08:03:49 AM
Coffee is not a diuretic if consumed in moderation.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: FunkyStickman on October 01, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Coffee is not a diuretic if consumed in moderation.

What is this "moderation" you speak of?
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: grantmeaname on October 01, 2013, 01:48:54 PM
No more than five cups an hour.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: HappierAtHome on October 01, 2013, 06:48:13 PM
Day two without coffee. I'm surviving.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: grantmeaname on October 01, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
But is it really living?

*I'm off to make myself a pot of coffee...
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: HappierAtHome on October 01, 2013, 07:19:18 PM
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But is it really living?

Yeah. I asked myself that. But I know I'm addicted, and that scares me. Once I'm sure I've broken my addiction, I'll be able to have coffee a few times a week, the same way I can have a glass of wine on the weekend and consider that a good thing but would immediately stop and reassess if I realised I was drinking wine every day.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: clutchy on October 01, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
I just got a hand crank ceramic burr grinder and a French press and I'm in heaven :-)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Ashcons on October 02, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
Congratulations to you. I, however, will not be giving up my coffee addiction! I spend about $12/month on 12-12/oz of beans locally roasted either at the fancy pants organic co-op or at the coffee shop our church runs (profits go to orphan care in Guatemala; my taste runs towards espresso roasted Guatemalan or Brazilian beans with smooth, chocolaty flavor. I use the aeropress to make my coffee - with a small amount of whole milk and honey to round it out. On the weekends, I probably drink 2-3 mugs and one every other day during the week. It's a small luxury I am not ready to sacrifice.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: RetiredAt63 on October 05, 2013, 11:11:51 AM
I had to give it up to get off of stomach medications (I had persistent GERD that I was permanently on prilosec for).  Giving up coffee was a requirement to get off the meds, and yes I am living just fine without the coffee now.

I had serious GERD (was on Nexium for a few years) and when I went low-carb, for other reasons,  the GERD went away.  It comes back when I eat quite a bit of sugar or a little bit of wheat.   Coffee consumption seems to have no effect.  A lot of milk in my coffee does (too much lactose, I think) but cream is fine.

My sister has the fancy machines, and I am still fine with my Melitta filters and making my coffee one cup at a time.  The paper filters are said to remove some of the acids.  I can taste the difference when I use one of the permanent mesh filters without paper.

For the record - caffeine is an alkaloid poison that the plants use to keep seed predators from eating their seeds.  Fortunately for us, most of the poison is destroyed when the beans are roasted.   Of course ethanol (the alcohol we drink) is also a toxin.   Life is full of interesting tidbits of info when you are a biologist ;-)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: DrSweden on September 04, 2014, 04:41:10 AM
I have been addicted to coffee on and off since i was 19. It helped me through medschool and now during my residency. However I have been off it sometimes many months in a stretch. I think it is time again to reduce and quit my addiction. My teeths are turning brown, headaches and slow thinking in the morning without it. On top of that I buy about 1/2 kg / week = 5 $. So I could save 20 $ a month quiting. I will do it. Has anyone quit and been off it for years? Often it seems people quit and then start in a couple of weeks or months again.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: dude on September 04, 2014, 07:44:28 AM
I avoided coffee consumption when I was in the Navy, where EVERYONE around me drank the stuff like water (most Navy Chief Petty Officers' arms are permanently crooked from carrying their coffee cup around all day long!  ;-)).  Avoided it in college, to, but in law school, I started drinking it to stay awake for all-night study sessions (and the occasional dreaded, awful take-home exam). Been a regular drinker ever since, but noticed in the past few years that I would have bouts of unsettled stomach/loose bowel movements from drinking it.  Usually, I'd avoid it for a week or two, in favor of tea, and come back without problem, at least until the next bout.  Recently (about 2 months now) quit it entirely as those bouts just seemed to get more frequent.  I do miss coffee though -- I love the smell and taste of it.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Kansas Beachbum on September 04, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
Coffee not evil, coffee good. 

That said, I haven't been in a Starbucks in years...I don't even like their coffee, over-roasted IMO.  Buy mine from a roasterie in NOLA called Community Coffee...been there for decades apparently.  The house we stayed in down there a couple years ago stocked it, very good, only slightly more than the major store brands (Folgers, Max House, etc.).
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Kansas Beachbum on September 04, 2014, 10:10:41 AM
Glorious coffee... Teacher, mother, secret lover

T-shirt.  Needs to be on a t-shirt...

Ditto!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee (and blessed coffee substitute)
Post by: Rickk on September 04, 2014, 10:25:10 AM
If you're getting off the coffee but find that tea doesn't quite satisfy, you might try one (o more) of several barley-based instant hot drinks. The Germans make one called Pero; a very tasty US brand is OSKRI. Some have chicory and roasted beets in the mix, some are straight up roasted barley, and all are many times easier on the the stomach in terms of acid production.  I suppose they are a bit of an acquired taste, but what I love about them is that they have a "mouth feel,"  roasted flavor, and soothing warmth similar to those I associate with coffee, especially when you add a little milk. These "barley coffees" come in powder form, so it's easy to put some in a baggie and stash in an office drawer for convenient use or to take some to a restaurant and ask for hot water at the table so that you can enjoy an after-dinner "coffee" that won't keep you up or require Previcid. You may pay $8 for a jar of it, but that will give you many more cups (mileage may vary depending on taste) than you would get for $8 worth of coffee, even home-brewed.  Budget wins, health wins, and you still get to enjoy a cuppa in the morning.
+1 on this - due to stomach issues I gave up coffee. 

A little review here (all available from Amazon):
Pero Regular - powdery - sweeter and almost mocha like in it's flavor
Pero Extra - crystals - more roasted flavor - more bold
Caffix - crystals - very roasted flavor - almost burnt - If you like a lot of milk or cream then this holds up the best.  This almost reminds me of instant coffee, or coffee that sat in a pot too long.

I currently drink a 1/2 and 1/2 mix of Pero and Pero Extra as a good blend.
You are not going to mistake these for coffee - but it is a surprisingly good substitute.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Bob W on September 04, 2014, 10:36:48 AM
+1,  a year or so ago I converted to tea.  Now spend less than $1 a month on cheap tea bags and run them through the coffee maker.   I like the buzz better and never shaky.  Plus tea has lots of fluoride so it is good for the teeth.  I'm shooting for less than $100 for all my tea, water and vodka this year. 
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: happy on September 04, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
So I could save 20 $ a month quiting. I will do it. Has anyone quit and been off it for years? Often it seems people quit and then start in a couple of weeks or months again.

Yes. Previously a total addict/ worshipper. I've been off it for several years. I have a good quality cup of coffee every now and then i.e. <once a week. I have it when I choose I'll enjoy it and the probability of a good cup is high. Strangely now as long as I keep it to less than once a week, a single cup doesn't bring back all the cravings and get me started all over again.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: vern on September 04, 2014, 11:28:39 PM
"Coffee's for closers only."
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: UnleashHell on September 05, 2014, 02:36:12 AM
I'm eating proper food, prepared at home, not eating out for dinner lunch or any other time. no coffee shops etc.
I've just bought a bike and serviced it my self and have ridden a few times this week.
I'm losing weight.
I'm planning out FI and taking an active stance on my debt and net worth.

I gave up smoking three days ago and haven't killed anyone yet.

Give up coffee too? Get the fuck out... theres limits and lines in life and you've crossed it....
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: SingleMomDebt on September 05, 2014, 09:04:31 AM
I kicked buying coffee from Starbucks and such. Saved me bundles of cash!

But give up coffee entirely? Would never happen.

I now make fancy coffee at home. The Vitamix makes great frappaccinos. Instant coffee + Dunkin Donuts creamer. Or Iced coffee via Instant. Instant Coffee is majorly in my friend since I'm the only one that drinks it at home. :)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: solon on September 05, 2014, 09:10:42 AM
I'm eating proper food, prepared at home, not eating out for dinner lunch or any other time. no coffee shops etc.
I've just bought a bike and serviced it my self and have ridden a few times this week.
I'm losing weight.
I'm planning out FI and taking an active stance on my debt and net worth.

I gave up smoking three days ago and haven't killed anyone yet.

Give up coffee too? Get the fuck out... theres limits and lines in life and you've crossed it....

I LOLed! My coworkers are wondering what on earth kind of code I'm writing that could be so funny.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Penny Lane on September 05, 2014, 03:04:21 PM
I'll never give up my 2 cups of black coffee a day ( no sugar!).  It prevents gallstones, depression,improves thinking and now is an antioxidant!  You are not "addicted" to coffee when you have withdrawal as you have not needed to do anything illegal to obtain it;  you are tolerant and dependent!  My MIL tried to do away with me once by giving me decaf for 3 days-- dreadful!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: UnleashHell on September 05, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
I'm not addicted to coffee.
Addicts go to meetings.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: apfroggy0408 on September 05, 2014, 08:17:35 PM
I stopped drinking coffee for a few months because I started drinking a shit ton of green tea.

Roommate bought some coffee to start brewing and now here I am buying 12 oz a week!!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: dragoncar on September 05, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
I'm not addicted to coffee.
Addicts go to meetings.

Crap, I go to meetings all day
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: thedayisbrave on September 06, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
I drink coffee for the taste.  I must be one of those fast caffeine metabolizers because I used to only drink coffee at night to relax... But after living with roommates I've picked up the coffee-in-the-morning habit.  I only can drink one cup before I get tired of the taste.  It's strange though, because I think after a while my body gets used to having it.  Once I get "that feeling" (grogginess even after getting enough sleep) I lay off coffee for a day or two and then I'm usually fine.

Though I don't brew with cinnamon, I fix my coffee then sprinkle cinnamon on top.  Given that I am very liberal with my sugar and milk, it tastes like dessert & that's just how I like it :) I often look forward to having something sweet in the morning to kick start my day, and I've heard this is a very French phenomenon (pain au chocolat anyone?)
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: basd on September 06, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
I often look forward to having something sweet in the morning to kick start my day, and I've heard this is a very French phenomenon (pain au chocolat anyone?)
Italians do this too, so that might make you feel even more suave. Their breakfast cornetti (what the French call croissants) are usually pretty sweet (mostly too sweet for my taste, tbh).
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: TomTX on September 06, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
Um, congratulations. That was an expensive coffee habit.

I buy a $10 bag of beans from Costco once every 4-6 weeks. The only other add is milk, which I would drink anyway.

Edit: Oops. I do add cinnamon. It's like $2 for a big-ass container that would last me 2 years if that's all we used it for.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Zoe on September 06, 2014, 07:14:03 PM
I've given up coffee several times. I go back each time. I did recently find out I have a heart condition/defect kinda thing. Wolff Parkinson White. It's not a serious condition or anything. Just an extra pathway I was born with. My heart will get excited faster than a normal persons and generally beats a little faster. Anyway, it's advisable for people with WPW to give up caffeine. I've scaled back to a few times per week. I have to be careful though. If I have coffee for too many days in a row (16oz per day) and I lay off, then I'll get the caffeine withdraw headache. UGH.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Elderwood17 on September 06, 2014, 07:24:05 PM
I drink free coffee at work(they buy Starbucks bags) during the week....way too much...but very rarely pay for it.  However, if they stopped providing it I will start making it at home and drink it on the way to work because I just enjoy it too much to give it up.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: WESTOFTHEHUDSON on September 08, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
I have quit off/on for a few pregnancies and for dental reasons. this last pregnancy made the thought of coffee repulsing. I've deen drinking hot water with lemon and a dash of honey in it sometimes. It is healthier, cheaper and satisfies my desire for a warm beverage in the morning. With young kids around, my coffee would often get cold and reheating with cream already in was pretty gross. it's easy to re-heat the water.

Congrats on the big savings (and pending baby)!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Jellyfish on September 09, 2014, 09:43:30 AM
In addition to cutting spending I am trying to de-clutter my life. In addition to eliminating Starbucks I got rid of the big coffee maker that used to take up space on my kitchen counter.  I use a small french press to make my coffee at home and it is delicious.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Zoe on September 10, 2014, 07:45:56 AM
French press coffee tastes so much better! I've been using a french press for years now!
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Dr. Doom on September 10, 2014, 10:55:48 AM

I don't think I'll ever give up coffee (or some caffeine delivery system) while I have a day job. 

The reason might sound weird.  I don't need coffee for energy, exactly.  My issue is that I'm way too relaxed without it.  Not tired, mind you.  Just relaxed.

So relaxed, in fact, that I feel absolutely no need to do anything at all.  I'm happy just doing nothing.

The caffeine gives me this slight edge of anxiety that makes tasks that I know perfectly well are inconsequential and meaningless somehow seem important enough to do.  I've stopped drinking coffee for periods and the result is that I want to just lay around and enjoy being alive.  This is all well and good if you're at home or hanging around friends and family but terrible if you're in the office with a bunch of less than awesome work to process.  I drink it black which makes the health impact very small, btw.  Average 2 cups a day. 

Still, contrats to you on the savings, that's cool.   Good for you.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: YK-Phil on September 10, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
Good for you. I could not do it. I am not a big coffee drinker but I value quality over quantity, and I need my espresso every morning. It is an important ritual for my wife and I. Once a week, we roast our coffee beans the old fashion way in a cast iron pan, and grind the beans every morning with a Kyocera hand grinder before brewing two cups of velvety espresso in my old and trusted Gaggia espresso maker. She drinks cappuccino, I drink macchiato. Before taking the first sip, we click our cups together and say "cin cin". The result is pure happiness.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Ambergris on September 10, 2014, 12:51:31 PM
Good for you (pat on back).

I had to give it up to get off of stomach medications (I had persistent GERD that I was permanently on prilosec for).  Giving up coffee was a requirement to get off the meds, and yes I am living just fine without the coffee now.
And yes - it is quite a savings (although I still occasionally drink rooibos tea - which tastes a lot like regular tea but doesn't mess with my stomach - and does not have caffeine). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos)

I gave up all caffeine a while back when I discovered it doesn't sit well with some medications I take. I'm British, so the tea part was harder than the coffee. I am also a happy drinker of rooibos - I highly recommend it. It doesn't take exactly like tea, but it does have a similar "character" if that makes sense. I know Twinings sells it now, and so you can get it here even at the local "cheapie" supermarket. It's low tannin, caffeine free, and antioxidant rich.
Title: Re: Evil, evil coffee
Post by: Bristlingblackmustache on September 11, 2014, 12:51:19 AM
http://lifehacker.com/5986506/the-science-behind-coffee-and-why-its-actually-good-for-your-health
"Outranks fruits and veges as source of antioxidants"