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Calimandc

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Debt Free in DC
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:00:30 PM »

Greetings fellow Mustachians,

My wife and I have been reading the site for almost a year, but have held back from posting until now.  Just this past weekend we concluded the process that eliminated our debt, downsized our house, and moved our family to a more walkable neighborhood.  All things we wanted to do before we started reading MMM, but were re-motivated to do by what we saw on the site.  We were so excited to find ourselves natural mustachians when we discovered the world of mustachians.  Here is a breakdown of how we lived (pre-mustachian with mustachian tendancies), how we’re currently doing, and where we are headed.

First, a little background.  We are a family of dad, mom, and 3 yr old son. We live in one of the most expensive parts of the country, the Washington, D.C. area, and are currently stuck here until FI is achieved. Wife has stayed home with our son since he was born, but will be doing some consulting in the near future, as well as going back to work part-time when he goes to kindergarten.

Almost five years ago we bought a house that we thought would be a good place to raise a child.  We paid $475K for it, taking out a mortgage for $415K.  Over the course of the time we owned the house it required $115K worth of work, half of which I did myself, half of which we had to hire folks to come in and help us out.  In order to achieve that, we depleted our savings, and took out a HELOC, which (until the houses sale) maxed out at $75K.  The house was in a place where we could walk to very little, and had to drive to work or even to the metro (subway).  (Although, two years into owning the house, I got a new job that I could walk to (3 miles each way), which helped my health a lot!) My wife and I had, combined, student loans of approximately $70K when we purchased the house.

Doesn’t sound too Mustachian, does it? Of course not.  We did it because we thought that our kid would need a house, that I would love doing the house reconstruction (which I initially did), and that it would give us some roots after having moved about a lot before that.

Despite the debt situation that this choice of home ownership was forcing upon us, we were increasing our net worth by an average of $50K per year on a modest salary. None of this is attributable to home value, as the value of the house went up less than the cost of refurbishing it combined with the cost of selling it. We maxed out our retirement contributions, paid extra on the mortgage, eliminated my student loan (at 6.5% interest it was ridiculous) and lived frugally (although quite well!) everyday in between. (Ideally, we should have been paying off the debt faster and investing less in my 401K and our ROTHS, but we felt good about taking big bites out of everything and were focusing on a balanced approach.)

Now, for where we are.  Over the course of living in the house we realized it was way too big, way too much work, and not in the location we wanted to live (in terms of walking or biking to what we find important).  Therefore, we sold the house, moved into a sufficiently sized 2br 2ba apartment in a location that is walkable to a grocery store, the metro, and is much closer to my son’s preschool.  In the process, we cut our expenses over $2K a month.  Not bad, right!
Even better, though!
With the sale of the house, we paid off the HELOC and the remaining student loans, leaving us DEBT FREE!

Now we are no longer paying interest on any debt, have an emergency fund if it’s needed, and are able to continue maxing out my 401(K), our ROTH’s, and even have a little left over to buy some Vanguard  Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX) on a monthly basis. The best part is, this in no way takes away from the opulent living we get to experience every day. 

Our new apartment is next door to a library from which my son loves to check out tons of books, a public park where he can ride his bike and play on a playground, free gas grills, and a free community pool where we can dip our toes or swim on hot days.  Oh, and did I mention, we’re right next door to a Trader Joes, a Whole Foods, and a very infrequently patronized by us Peet’s Coffee?

We were initially concerned that moving out of a house and into an apartment would be too much of a shock for our son, but it turns out he loves it.  He likes to play in his sandbox on the balcony, stare out at the passing trucks (that we only hear when out on that balcony), and walk by the trash dumpsters every time we enter or leave the building (There is a nicer entrance, but he wants to pass the dumpsters, so we pass the dumpsters).

All in all, we’re quite happy to be debt free, not have a money pit sucking our savings dry, and living in a comfortable and walkable community near the things that bring us free joy.

Thank you, as a community, for helping inspire this change in our lives.
Best,
Jeremy

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 06:52:05 PM »
This is such a nice story!!!  Congratulations, and I hope you and your family continue to reap great joy from your new situation.

I hope you'll post more often.  As a stubble-level Mustachian, I want to know all of the things that work! 

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 12:08:25 PM »
Great story and congratulations.  We are also renting in DC.  We are just now thinking about buying and it's a hard decision. We are locked into cheap rent for 1.5 more years (can break lease though).  We are able to save over 100k a year not even taking retirement into account.  We will purchase a home well below our budget, a very short commute and walkable neighborhood but still get nervous that we should instead just keep saving!

Calimandc

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2014, 08:26:45 PM »
Hey, thanks for the reply.  That is a hard choice.  Buying is not for everyone, but owning the place outright, and being able to simply pay the taxes and insurance would be great.  Unfortunately, the specific place we bought was a money and time pit. Ensure, that if you do buy, that you buy something you have the time and money for.  This means, make sure that you have a VERY good home inspector and a realtor on your side.  We did not have those, and found out the hard way that this was far too much house (both in terms of size and work needed) than we could manage. 

Saving 100K a year is fantastic!  If buying a place cuts into that, may not be worth it.  If it adds to that, then go for it.

Best wishes to whatever choice makes the most sense for you. 

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 08:09:02 AM »
Congratulations!!  I was wondering what your thoughts were regarding saving for college?  Realize that there are varying opinions on this topic, but was curious.  Thanks!

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2014, 12:11:14 PM »
Well done Jerry, what a great story!  You and Mrs. Jerry are totally badass, and Jeremy Jr. is a badass in training...I mean, he likes to hang out by the dumpsters!  You guys have it figured out...that's most of the battle.  Good luck!

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2014, 08:33:14 PM »
First of all, congrats on turning things around.  You're in great shape and soon to be in truly excellent shape.  Bravo!


That said, you have made a highly inaccurate statement:

"we were increasing our net worth by an average of $50K per year on a modest salary"

As I understand it, you are a single income family and you don't have another source of income.  If your family is living on $6,000 a year and saving/paydown debt to the tune of $50,000, that would put you at the median family income for the USA.   That's "family income", not "median salary for a single wage earner income".  That would mean that your salary would be equal to what many families with two adults working earn.  That's hardly a "modest" salary.

Given the numbers you mentioned for expenses, I'm guessing you make WAY more than $56,000 a year.  If your family income is about $160,000, you're in the top 5% for income in the USA.

It's important to keep these things in perspective.

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 08:16:27 AM »
Great story, the decision to rent vs. buy a home is always a debatable topic that really has no one right answer as everyone's situation is different.

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 08:49:31 AM »
Congratulations Jeremy and family!!  Difficult decisions with great choices. You are bad asses.

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2014, 12:37:48 PM »
First of all, congrats on turning things around.  You're in great shape and soon to be in truly excellent shape.  Bravo!


That said, you have made a highly inaccurate statement:

"we were increasing our net worth by an average of $50K per year on a modest salary"

As I understand it, you are a single income family and you don't have another source of income.  If your family is living on $6,000 a year and saving/paydown debt to the tune of $50,000, that would put you at the median family income for the USA.   That's "family income", not "median salary for a single wage earner income".  That would mean that your salary would be equal to what many families with two adults working earn.  That's hardly a "modest" salary.

Given the numbers you mentioned for expenses, I'm guessing you make WAY more than $56,000 a year.  If your family income is about $160,000, you're in the top 5% for income in the USA.

It's important to keep these things in perspective.

56k family income in DC would be extremely modest.  I'd call 100k modest for this area. not really sure your point…did Jeremy request "perspective"?

bravo, Jeremy! sounds like you're enjoying the good life!  Esp if not car commuting around the beltway :)

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2014, 01:46:55 PM »
Calimandc, I caught house buying fever last summer and even put in an offer.  I thank god, buddha, shiva, whatever deity out there my low-ball offer was promptly rejected.  That was just before I discovered MMM and reading material reminded me why I have and likely will be a renter (if I continue to live in large metropolitans).  Buying a house would have meant giving up my car-free life as I can only afford real estate further out in the 'burbs and away from a metro station.  Luckily I came to my senses and I'm still in my modest apartment in one of the most walkable and safest areas within the Beltway. 

I also live near a Trader Joe's and I wonder if you're in my neighborhood.  My area has TJ, WF and Peet's but they're not next to/or that close to each other.

Calimandc

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 07:05:55 PM »
Wow, what great replies to this post.  Thank you all for asking some good questions and offering your perspective on our experience. 

First, I'd like to say that Yeah, my little one is bad-ass!  He's teaching me how to be ever more so every day.

One of the first questions that was posed was what I think of college savings.  I have several thoughts on this, some of them conflicting, but then I am also taking action on it because I cannot predict the future and like choices.  My thinking is that college costs cannot keep rising at the rate they have been.  The market just wont sustain it.  There is already an ever bigger blow-up over student loan debt, with people just unable to maintain these levels of obligation.  Second, I am not sure that my son will even go to college.  Don't get me wrong, I fully expect him to go to college if he's interested in anything that would be assisted by a college degree.  My point is that I will not force him to go to college if he's most interested, and most capable, in things that clearly don't require a degree.  Plumbers, pavers, electricians etc. earn great livings, and do not require college to do so.  If he's interested in something of that nature, I'm not going to force him.  Now, being that his mother has 2 Master's Degrees, and his less ambitious dad only has 1 Master's degree, I imagine he may find his calling in something that does require a college degree.  Therefore, we put away $500 a month for him in a 529 plan.  My thinking on this is that it will not pay for him to go wherever he wants, but it should help a lot no matter where he may choose to go.  If he goes to school I would prefer he also do workstudy, or have a job to help pay for it.  If he doesn't go to school, then we take that money out and either give it to a family member who would need it, or simply pay the taxes we would have paid on it anyway and use it for something else in the future.  Either way, the choice is ours to make and does not rely on more indebtedness to make it.

Now, for the "Modest Income" comment that SwordGuy noted.  I agree with DMoney that income level is very geographically dependent.  In the DC area a modest income is far different than it is in Manhattan or Boise, let alone rural parts of the country.  Like the real-estate market, there really are more than 30 income markets in the country.  That being said, I agree, that I may have understated our income.  I do make over $100K a year.  In DC, though, as DMoney noted, that is still considered moderate.

Good job dodojojo!  Yeah, we really didn't want to live out of the city either, but went there due to cost.  I think we would have been just fine having stayed in the District and paid a little more in rent.  As it is, we're doing just fine, and still close to my son's school.  It's not urban, but it's close to everything we need, so it's like a little dot of urban in a jungle of suburb. 

Best wishes to everyone who replied.  Again, thanks for all of the kind words!

Jeremy


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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 09:46:09 PM »
Congrats! I used to live in DC and know what a money pit the area can be if you let it be.

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Re: Debt Free in DC
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 10:47:38 PM »
Nice work! It's amazing how much things can change in a short time.