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What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« on: January 12, 2019, 06:09:29 PM »
The lady living in the house next to my rental house has approximately 15-20 cats (possibly more). When I bought the house, she had about 6. I have tenants in place now but I doubt they'll renew (students, there several years, close to graduating) so I'd like it not to look like a crazy cat hoarder lives next door when I go to show it.

Browsing city pages, I see no ordinances about maximum animal ownership. Do you think there are any city departments I can complain to? There's no HOA.

They appear to be fed well enough but I'd doubt they're licensed.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 07:43:45 PM »
Plant catnip?

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 12:00:57 AM »
Contact animal control.    If there are regulations they'll know them.



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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 11:11:29 AM »
Try calling your local animal control.  The legal limit depends on where you live.  Here its 6 dogs and 6 cats per house.


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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 11:51:21 AM »
So what you're saying is that your rental will never have a mouse/rodent problem.

How exactly would a person looking at your house know there are are 15-20 cats living the house next door?

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 11:59:26 AM »
Regardless of anything else, your neighbor has to keep their animals on their own property.   
Put a live trap on your property and start hauling them to the shelter.   Shouldn't take long to get a bunch of them.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 01:02:51 PM »
Call animal control. This person might be a cat hoarder and cats breed quickly and have semi large litters. Then those kittens have kittens. It is a very bad thing. A friend of mine had this situation and some organization that deals with cats or maybe cats and dogs captured the cats in animal friendly traps then took them somewhere and neutered them all. The organization brought them back. They are basically wild cats but can no longer breed and produce kittens.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 06:51:54 PM »
Hoarders donít usually have cats that look well fed. If they arenít causing you any problems why report her. They will probably be killed if you turn her in. I doubt a renter would notice unless her yard is disgusting.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 04:44:20 AM »
Hoarders donít usually have cats that look well fed. If they arenít causing you any problems why report her. They will probably be killed if you turn her in. I doubt a renter would notice unless her yard is disgusting.

Hoarders start off with good intentions and in the beginning feed the animals and take care of them. Once the situation gets out of control, the hoarder can't afford to feed them, have enough liter boxes or afford Vet care. Here is a chart to show how fast the cat population grows with cats that are not neutered.
https://www.care2.com/greenliving/how-long-does-it-take-2-cats-to-turn-into-80-million.html

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 10:02:44 AM »
Hoarders donít usually have cats that look well fed. If they arenít causing you any problems why report her. They will probably be killed if you turn her in. I doubt a renter would notice unless her yard is disgusting.

Hoarders start off with good intentions and in the beginning feed the animals and take care of them. Once the situation gets out of control, the hoarder can't afford to feed them, have enough liter boxes or afford Vet care. Here is a chart to show how fast the cat population grows with cats that are not neutered.
https://www.care2.com/greenliving/how-long-does-it-take-2-cats-to-turn-into-80-million.html

Yeah, this is what I'm afraid of. She had about 6 two years ago and now there are at least 20.

Cassie, just because they are not starving (yet), doesn't mean she is taking them all to the vet and providing adequate care. None of them are fat but none are super thin either. They are probably not being spayed and neutered and over-population is a big issue in NC for both cats and dogs.

YttriumNitrate, it is very obvious she has a large number of cats. They are all over her yard (and also mine, yes), on the roof, on her car, everywhere. That is how I know she has at least 15 - it is probably many more, as I only counted those I saw in her front yard the last time I was there.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2019, 10:31:10 AM »
When I was in grad school, I rented an apartment next to a cat hoarder.  I didn't even notice until the summer time when I kept my windows open more and could see the cats in her yard.  It didn't bother me at all - I didn't have a yard or anything that the cats would or could get in to and ruin.  I had a dog at the time who probably enjoyed watching the cats!  So, my advice is do nothing unless you find that your ability to rent the unit is negatively affected.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2019, 12:09:26 PM »
I think you should look in your area for a cat rescue agency. If you can't find one, call some Vet's offices to see if they have names. If that doesn't pan out, call animal control. Maybe they could make a goodwill visit and question the owner on her ownership of all the cats and if they have been to the Vet for shots and stuff. This is not a stick your head in the sand situation.  If the goodwill visit proves the cats are neutered and well taken care of then no issues as long as by law a person is allowed to own so many pets.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 03:01:01 PM »
Most places have a low ratio of animals allowed so a goodwill visit will end up with the cats getting taken away. I volunteer at our local humane society so I know itís a tough call on what is the right thing to do. If they arenít fixed yes it cannot go on.  A cat rescue would be much better than animal control. I just feel bad for the cats.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 03:51:58 PM »
Find some tenants that enjoy cat meat?


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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 04:16:48 PM »
Have you tried talking to this neighbor like a human being?

Regardless of anything else, your neighbor has to keep their animals on their own property.   
Put a live trap on your property and start hauling them to the shelter.   Shouldn't take long to get a bunch of them.

Laws vary:  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/fur-flies-in-neighborhood-after-trapping-of-errant-cat/

In Texas, it's legal to use deadly force to protect personal property from theft during the nighttime: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm
So, depending where you live, trying to sneakily thieve someone's pets may get you shot.
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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 09:22:35 PM »
15-20 cats starts to be a lot of cats... if it does not smell too much or being too noisy can may be ok but may be there are rules with the city.
But well that's not 5 cats thats 20!!

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2019, 09:25:33 AM »
The question is whether you want to do something about the cats because you feel bad for the cats/bad for the hoarder or whether you want to do something about the cats because you think that it negatively impacts your rental ability/price.

Like I mentioned before, in my experience, something like that would likely not register with a renter when they're looking at the space.  They probably won't notice, just like I didn't notice, because I was more focused on the condition of the place I was going to live in and how much it was going to cost me.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2019, 01:33:18 PM »
The question is whether you want to do something about the cats because you feel bad for the cats/bad for the hoarder or whether you want to do something about the cats because you think that it negatively impacts your rental ability/price.

Like I mentioned before, in my experience, something like that would likely not register with a renter when they're looking at the space.  They probably won't notice, just like I didn't notice, because I was more focused on the condition of the place I was going to live in and how much it was going to cost me.

Have you ever shown a house to a potential tenant? They notice a lot. Not everyone will notice the same things but trust me when I say these cats are very noticeable at this point. My current tenants have brought it up (and they are not complainers) and I recently had a company out for some work and they mentioned it also, not in a bad way but like "wow, that lady has a lot of cats." kind of way.

I am both concerned for the cats but also for the quality of the neighborhood where my property is. The cats cannot be allowed to continue breeding unchecked as we already have animal overpopulation issues here but also, I don't want the cats next to my house either. It was fine when she had 5-6 but now it's out of control.

Those who suggested contacting a cat rescue - I'm happy to do this but what will they be able to do? They can't go there and just start picking up these cats, can they? I am an animal lover myself (2 cats + a dog currently) so I don't want the cats to end up in a shelter but they need to not be roaming wildly either.

I did call animal control and they said there is no maximum number of cats someone can have however, she did ask if they were roaming outside and when I said yes she told me they would send someone out. I don't know if cats aren't allowed loose outside in this particular cities but I know in some other cities in my area they are not (leash laws - cats can be outside but must be on a leash, like dogs).

So, we'll see what happens.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2019, 03:15:22 PM »
Just a quick story. A friend bought a house in a neighborhood that was overrun with feral cats. She had them spayed, one by one. Now the population is under control and the cats are fat and sassy. She and her neighbors feed them, so they're healthy, but not reproducing.

Not suggesting you neuter your neighbor's cats without her permission, just putting this story out there. Your local cat rescue group is likely to be the most helpful source.

Finally, have you spoken directly to your neighbor cat-lover-to-cat-lover? She may not be pleased with the way they are taking over her life either.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
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Call Animal Control back and ask if there are any low cost or free TNR or spay/neuter programs in your city.  If there are, call them to see what groups are active in TNR.  Then call those folks to see if they can help  If your AC won't help. look on Facebook and Nextdoor to see if there are groups active in your area.
 
In many jurisdictions, you can trap cats that are on your property.  In the City of San Jose, you can trap and drop them off at the shelter with the return address of the cat.  They will alter and vaccinate the cat and a volunteer will return it.  Ten cats?  No problem.  Grant money is available for AC organizations in many areas to do this.

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #20 on: Today at 02:37:52 PM »
As my friend used to tell me.

There are 3 S's in cat hunting

Shoot
Shovel

and

Shut-up


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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #21 on: Today at 03:07:45 PM »
As my friend used to tell me.

There are 3 S's in cat hunting

Shoot
Shovel

and

Shut-up

Felony in California...

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Re: What can I do about neighbor's many cats?
« Reply #22 on: Today at 03:37:26 PM »
Thus the third S!!!

I guess me point is cats rapidly change from cuddly pet to feral bird murderers in very short order.

All the cats I see in my yard I know. If we starting having a problem with wild ones I would probably bust out the weak pellet gun to let them no they were not welcome.

Not sure that I could kill one.




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« Reply #23 on: Today at 03:46:28 PM »
Thus the third S!!!

I guess me point is cats rapidly change from cuddly pet to feral bird murderers in very short order.

All the cats I see in my yard I know. If we starting having a problem with wild ones I would probably bust out the weak pellet gun to let them no they were not welcome.

Not sure that I could kill one.

My neighborhood is full of security cameras...

As I previously said, birds are low on the food chain and have many predators.  Egg robbing from nests by predators is another problem.  And cats apparently eat many more insects, lizards, and rodents than birds, according to a study of the content of outdoor cat stomachs.