Thanks so much for the condolences. It's has been pretty difficult dealing with all of this...
Basically, the house "as is" would not sell for much. It has never been updated since it was built, so original 1960s plumbing, cabinets, fixtures, etc. The wiring is pretty crappy - we're just lucky that there was a box of fuses next to the fuse box as it took the old screw-in type fuses and that might have been a problem locating now!
Selling "as is" would net us around $20-40K. Selling for land value, would probably net on the low end of that estimate (I researched the property values in the area and land values as well before I came in). We have a realtor scheduled to do a walk through to discuss on Monday, and she is familiar with hoarder house situations and can give us the numbers but I'll be surprised if I'm far off the mark.
The amount of rehab - 20K investment - would bring the price up to 70-80K (instead of the 100-120k average) because even with us doing basic renovation, the house would still need major updating to match up with the others in the neighborhood. The ones selling at 100K and up had the one car garages converted to dens, kitchen reconfigurations and expansions and the master bed/bath expanded out to be a master suite (the master is a small room and the bath is a half - toilet and sink right now). We're not going that far as we aren't interested in that extent of renovation since our goal is to get it in nice enough condition to sell and the buyer can do the updating and expansions themselves.
Next door neighbor would not be doing any of the work, but would not mind supervising the renovations. He probably won't take any money - but we will offer it. We don't want to lean too heavily on him as he's already done so much. He has been mowing the yard and cutting down the overgrown brush, and hauled off many, many truckloads of junked and rusted crap dad had built up in the backyard, and he wouldn't take a penny for all of that... he's truly a neighbor and a friend that anyone would be lucky to have and knowing that he won't take money I don't want to take advantage of his good nature. Sister and mother live about an hour away, and mother actually could come check work progress as well, so I think we'll be good with the supervising of the work itself.
The mold situation was caused by a leaking window - windows were replaced last year to prevent further damage, but there is mold discoloration right under the window in a small area (you have to look for the mold tho as it really just looks like water streaking), and in the master bath it was caused by him piling food items in there and leaving the door closed for the last 20 years. Neither areas look really bad - but we don't know what the inside of the wall will reveal. Still, I don't think it's going to be super difficult to remove, and we'd be redoing all the house drywall most likely anyway.
GREAT idea about tapping the realtor for her contacts - I'm sort of brain dead exhausted still and that didn't even occur to me!
And definitely will make sure all of the contractors will be licensed/insured/bonded or we won't hire - I don't want that kind of headache.
Will check on the realtor for firm reno/pricing advice and resource on mold removal specialists. I also have a lead on a home inspector that we could call in if necessary, but we'll also check to see what contacts she has as well. I have two other realtor contacts that operate in the area, and will call them in if we get the least little bad vibe off the first realtor, but we've heard good things about this one.
Sister is on board for reno up to 20K (she's iffy if it goes over) but she'll take whatever the realtor says under advisement. She's good with listening to expert opinion, so I don't think buying her out is going to be necessary (and not sure how that would go over either, so probably not on the table).
All utilities and taxes are being paid through the estate (sister is executrix) and we're good on those for the foreseeable future. House is paid off and there is nothing outstanding at all other than the extremely low utility bills. Honestly, with 2-3 months renovations, I'd be surprised if we didn't more than double our initial investment.
I do not want to sell the house "as is" since that would as far as I can see mean that we'd probably walk away from somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-30,000 pure profit. I just can't do it. I also kind of feel like it would be cathartic to get the house fixed up and beautiful again and sell it to a family that will love it and put into it what it should have had all along. Sort of a exorcism of all of the ghosts and bad memories with a cash bonus.
and steveinNC
I am so sorry for you and your family being in similar circumstances. I never took the step of forcing a cleaning on my father due to his violent refusal and denial about the situation, but I was really close many times. Everything I've read indicated that without intensive counseling to deal with the OCD hoarder's mental issues first, that they will return to the same levels as soon as they are back in their (cleaned) homes, and your experience just confirms what I already suspected. You tried, and you should not feel bad about that - it is a serious sickness.
I'm going to have nightmares over this situation for a very long time, and I truly sympathize with what you're going through. It is just so damned stupid and frustrating and heartbreaking that you can't just fix it somehow. I think you're smart for stepping back and just will deal with it when you have to. If your mother isn't willing to face what she is doing, then you can only do so much. I have no idea if you've tried getting her to go to counseling, but if you can, just keep pushing for her to get help.
Have no idea if this would even register, but can tell her that for my family, my father's hoarding shortened his life, caused him injury and sickness, caused strained relationships and has tainted the memory of my childhood and my father. There were many angry words said and many tears shed, and all of this could have been prevented if dad had just admitted he needed help and then let us help him - both with counseling and with cleaning his house. Your mother is going to leave you and your sister the same legacy, and that is wrong. Material items are not worth destroying and hurting your family for, and hoarding is doing exactly that.