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cool7hand

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Mustachian Data Backup Question
« on: March 12, 2021, 06:09:22 AM »
Hey all! My wife and I have been thinking about ways to cheaply back up our data with more redundancy.

1. We use the free Google 15 GB cloud service for critical documents, including creative projects.
2. We also keep a back up of the documents from 1. on a portable hard drive inside of a firebox.
3. We also keep a backup of our pictures and music on the hard drive in 2. Because we are children of the 70's and 80's, a lot of that music's primary source is old CDs that we can't redownload if we lose it.

The data in 1.-3. total a little over half a TB presently, but it is always growing (in part due to our love of Led Zeppelin bootlegs, which we purchase from overseas on CD, and pictures). As you might have guessed, notwithstanding the firebox, our fear is fire. As unlikely as a fire is, the lockbox might not protect the data.

We've been noodling on how to cheaply improve our data security. We could survive without our pictures and music, but both are aspects of our life experience we'd like to protect if possible. Most cloud services we have found that would accommodate that much data require a monthly payment we consider cost prohibitive over the long haul.

The Mustachian solution we just dreamed up is to purchase a second hard drive, backup our data on both drives, and give one hard drive to close friends to store in their firebox. Every time we visit the other, we swap the old backup hard drive for the current. Redundancy improved!

Before we pull the trigger, we were curious if anyone else had a better solution or could improve on our idea.

Thanks all!

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2021, 08:22:51 AM »
Swapping hard drives manually on visits has a long delay between backups, I don't think that is particularly ideal. That solution has no additional redundancy either. The standard practice is "3-2-1", three copies on two different types of media with one off-site.

Personally I am backing up on a nightly basis half a terabyte using BackBlaze B2 which is running us $2-3/month.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2021, 08:52:36 AM »
Swapping hard drives manually on visits has a long delay between backups, I don't think that is particularly ideal. That solution has no additional redundancy either. The standard practice is "3-2-1", three copies on two different types of media with one off-site.

Personally I am backing up on a nightly basis half a terabyte using BackBlaze B2 which is running us $2-3/month.

I'd never heard of this service. Thanks! The reviews look good. Are there any tips/tricks you can share?

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2021, 08:59:04 AM »
Swapping hard drives manually on visits has a long delay between backups, I don't think that is particularly ideal. That solution has no additional redundancy either. The standard practice is "3-2-1", three copies on two different types of media with one off-site.

Personally I am backing up on a nightly basis half a terabyte using BackBlaze B2 which is running us $2-3/month.

I'd never heard of this service. Thanks! The reviews look good. Are there any tips/tricks you can share?

You can use a tool like Duplicacy to automate backups and it will de-duplicate data (e.g. if you have two copies of the same file it will only take up as much space as needed for one). Full list of BackBlaze B2 integrations here:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/integrations.html

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2021, 09:50:47 AM »
Swapping hard drives manually on visits has a long delay between backups, I don't think that is particularly ideal. That solution has no additional redundancy either. The standard practice is "3-2-1", three copies on two different types of media with one off-site.

Personally I am backing up on a nightly basis half a terabyte using BackBlaze B2 which is running us $2-3/month.

I'd never heard of this service. Thanks! The reviews look good. Are there any tips/tricks you can share?

You can use a tool like Duplicacy to automate backups and it will de-duplicate data (e.g. if you have two copies of the same file it will only take up as much space as needed for one). Full list of BackBlaze B2 integrations here:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/integrations.html

Why do they have a flat-fee service? Is that for people whose data needs exceed the per-GB rate?

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2021, 10:36:44 AM »
Why do they have a flat-fee service? Is that for people whose data needs exceed the per-GB rate?

The personal plan for a flat $6/month is per computer. So if you're trying to back up a whole family's set of computers it gets pretty expensive fast. There are some other limitations as well, if I recall correctly. You might have to use their software to interface with it, for example. They can offer the flat rate because they know most people will not back up very much data with that setup.

I like the B2 service because it can interface with virtually whatever I want and I pay for exactly what I use (which for the foreseeable future is noticeably cheaper).

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2021, 11:11:29 AM »
Why do they have a flat-fee service? Is that for people whose data needs exceed the per-GB rate?

The personal plan for a flat $6/month is per computer. So if you're trying to back up a whole family's set of computers it gets pretty expensive fast. There are some other limitations as well, if I recall correctly. You might have to use their software to interface with it, for example. They can offer the flat rate because they know most people will not back up very much data with that setup.

I like the B2 service because it can interface with virtually whatever I want and I pay for exactly what I use (which for the foreseeable future is noticeably cheaper).

Thank you so much for your help!

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2021, 09:03:12 PM »
I'm another Backblaze user. No complaints.

I back up to a RAID server here in the house, but, a backup isn't a backup if it's in the same location as the original. Doesn't count unless it's offsite and Backblaze fits my needs.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2021, 09:25:24 PM »
Hosted NextCloud instances are always useful and saves some money if you're willing to learn a bit. $72+ a year buys you a lot of server for that money without the sort of user restrictions of services like Backblaze.

CloudAMO is probably the cheapest full server plan with North American servers, and they claim HIPAA/GDPR compliance with plans starting at $36/year.
Hetzner has 100GB server plans with "unlimited" users starting at €2.90/month and GDPR compliance, but all their servers are in Germany.
Spry Servers have individual NextCloud accounts (not a full server) at reasonable prices, with 25GB plans starting at $25/year.

Needless to say, use Duplicati and encrypt your backups if you insist on using any cloud storage provider for backup. Privacy is a bit of an issue with any cloud backup provider as you gotta trust the other people holding the keys.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2021, 05:40:09 PM »
We built a Private Cloud with Synology.  One NAS device in SF, one in San Diego, and one in Seattle.  It doesn't need to be this complex - but each device backs up to another device once a week.  The Synology apps are pretty awesome - photo/video auto back-up from our phones, great music/video streaming apps, great data management/security apps - expensive to acquire but no monthly charges.  Medium-high difficulty getting it all set up.  We have had this set up for over 8 years and never had an issue but have had to do multiple restores of a Mac (my sister is a technology nightmare).  It works.

We have three of these

https://smile.amazon.com/Synology-Bay-DiskStation-DS220-Diskless/dp/B087ZCBWFH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=synology+ds220&qid=1615938200&sr=8-1
« Last Edit: March 16, 2021, 05:56:53 PM by WSUCoug1994 »

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2021, 05:53:35 PM »
a backup isn't a backup if it's in the same location as the original. Doesn't count unless it's offsite.

Very well said. For the past ~6 years we have been using Crashplan for our offsite backups. They no longer offer consumer plans, but we found the service so reliable we upgraded to a small business plan for $10/month.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2021, 06:45:47 PM »
I personally don't like the idea of having my data reside with a cloud service, no matter how good of a deal I'm getting. That's not to say it's not the right fit for some people. Personally, I backup our machines to an external hard drive every couple months, this HD then resides in our fire safe. If you're a Mac person, there are some pretty clever Time Machine schemes you can set up as well.

I disagree that a backup isn't a backup if it's kept onsite. The most common causes of data loss are SSD corruption, physical media failure, accidental deletion and device theft. For that, an up to date thumb drive in a sock drawer has you covered.

Bonus Points: Make your backup HD bootable, and it's just a matter of plugging in if you have a machine crash.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2021, 07:24:05 PM »
We built a Private Cloud with Synology.  One NAS device in SF, one in San Diego, and one in Seattle.  It doesn't need to be this complex - but each device backs up to another device once a week.  The Synology apps are pretty awesome - photo/video auto back-up from our phones, great music/video streaming apps, great data management/security apps - expensive to acquire but no monthly charges.  Medium-high difficulty getting it all set up.  We have had this set up for over 8 years and never had an issue but have had to do multiple restores of a Mac (my sister is a technology nightmare).  It works.

We have three of these

https://smile.amazon.com/Synology-Bay-DiskStation-DS220-Diskless/dp/B087ZCBWFH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=synology+ds220&qid=1615938200&sr=8-1

Another vote here for Synology. Add an external USB drive for local backups, and cloud backup to AWS S3 which runs me about $2/month for ~300GB of encrypted data. Both backups can be handled using their Hyper Backup tool. Be sure to use strong passwords and 2FA if you enable QuickConnect. Their free photo/media services are very good. Getting this stuff off your devices and onto a dedicated server designed to store and organize it is worth the price of admission.

ETA: Synology also supports data scrubbing of volumes to detect and correct bit rot. I have lost photos to bit rot, so I have data scrubbing scheduled to run every 6 months.
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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2021, 08:48:11 PM »
I've been very pleased with this company for 2-3 years now.

https://www.rsync.net/

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2021, 05:48:51 AM »
$6/mo gets you Office plus a 1 tb shareable onedrive . We don’t store anything locally anymore and never worry about backups.

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2021, 05:51:20 AM »
Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions!

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Re: Mustachian Data Backup Question
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2021, 07:51:38 AM »
I'm late to the party, but if you run Linux/OS X, consider tarsnap.

https://www.tarsnap.com/index.html

Perhaps the folks up-thread who didn't like the idea of backing up to a cloud would be more comfortable with an encrypted backup solution.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!