Author Topic: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)  (Read 3308 times)

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I'm looking for any recommendations for a watercraft suitable for Colorado lakes. We currently have a no name inflatable tandem kayak. Its been great for its pricetag of $80 but I've been wanting more out of it. We thought it would only last one season but it's going on its 3rd or 4th. Its pretty tough to paddle though and that's my main complaint. While its great to get on the water and also to swim off of. You can't go too far on it because its too much effort (or maybe I'm a wimp). Once any wind starts its pretty much game over and you have to head home. You definitely can't go on a few hours ride with it. I think the farthest we've gone is like 1/4 mile? Plus you get wet when you paddle and water gets in the seat. Mountain water is cold and soggy butts are the worst. Its pretty difficult to carry too at 12ft long with no handles. And it sags to the ground when trying to carry it.

I tend to overanalyze everything so I thought I would just throw a post out there for recommendations. Originally I was thinking to upgrade to 2 real kayaks. But it would mean I'd have to do all the paddling for myself! Also,  having to load them on and off the roof of the car seems annoying. Especially if we will only use the boat for a few hours on a camping trip. I feel at that point a boat hanging out on the top of the car is more of a burden (theft, packing/unpacking) than benefit in comparison to what we already have.

On our trips we will already have a small trailer and a hatch mounted bike rack. So inflatable or roofrack is the only option. I've started looking at the hard bottom U-shape inflatable boats that can have a tiny battery operated motor but am concerned on how they would handle and paddle without the motor when we are looking for quiet.

WANTS:
Can be rowed or paddled easily without a motor (for lakes that don't allow motors). A small motor is very appealing but I'd still like the ability to paddle in shallow or calm waters
Must fit one or two people and small cooler and bag. Preferably something for two people that is not unwieldy for one person to take out themselves.
Must be able to be transported on a roof rack, broken down/folded into smaller pieces, or be deflated for transport and storage. Easier the better.
Seat is not where water will accumulate in normal use
Easy to carry to the water.

Extras: Easy to get on and off the vessel in the middle of the lake for a quick jump in the water.

So what do you have? What would you recommend? Do you prefer two vessels to a tandem? Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 03:14:04 PM »
I started with an inflatable Sea Eagle and enjoyed it but experienced all the issues you have identified. Slow to paddle, catches the wind, wet, etc. You can get better inflatables, and the folding kayaks are supposed to be good too.

Now I own a Dagger Axis 12' kayak and really like it. Getting it on and off the car roof is a hassle for sure, but much faster in the water and more comfortable seat.

If you have a paddling partner you might consider a canoe. I would prefer a canoe to a double kayak (also called "divorce" kayaks because tandem paddling can be annoying).

Not much additional advice, good luck!

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 03:33:43 PM »
Stand up paddleboard! Meets all of your criteria and they're really fun.

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2016, 03:39:07 PM »
Thanks for the responses I was about to think I wouldn't get any!

A canoe would be good for cruising but transporting it sounds like a nightmare. I've never been on one. Aren't they extremely heavy? I'm the one on the kayak who paddles for like 30 seconds then stops to enjoy the view.

SUP's would be great for transport. But I've always been baffled at how absurdly expensive they are for a flat board. I mean even on craigslist people are asking $600+. I have thought about making my own with foam and canvas covering. Then I could add a chair and motor mount! That might be the best long term solution. But I don't think I'd be done on time to enjoy it this summer. Are there any budget options for SUPs? Is it possible to add mounts for clips or rings to tie stuff down with?

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2016, 03:50:51 PM »
Are there any budget options for SUPs?

You can find deals occasionally. The inflatable ones will always be cheapest.

Most generally come with a tow ring and bungee tie-down cords. 

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2016, 11:49:01 AM »
A canoe would be good for cruising but transporting it sounds like a nightmare. I've never been on one. Aren't they extremely heavy? I'm the one on the kayak who paddles for like 30 seconds then stops to enjoy the view.

One canoe is lighter and easier to haul than 2 kayaks. And a canoe is much nicer for the kind of laid back paddling you describe. More stable, more room for stuff like coolers, sun shelters, and camera equipment. The lighter ones are more expensive though, it would be an investment so you need to think about how often you use it and what the recreation is worth to you.

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 12:12:18 PM »
A canoe would be good for cruising but transporting it sounds like a nightmare. I've never been on one. Aren't they extremely heavy? I'm the one on the kayak who paddles for like 30 seconds then stops to enjoy the view.

One canoe is lighter and easier to haul than 2 kayaks. And a canoe is much nicer for the kind of laid back paddling you describe. More stable, more room for stuff like coolers, sun shelters, and camera equipment. The lighter ones are more expensive though, it would be an investment so you need to think about how often you use it and what the recreation is worth to you.

Canoes aren't that heavy.  I did some portaging on a week long trip, and with two people it's pretty easy - flip it up and carry on your shoulders.  (One person can do it from the center, but it's a pain/can't se etc.)  That said, it's really a two-person paddling endeavor (though I know someone that would go out with his dog for ballast.  Worked fine till the time the dog got really excited and ran back to him).   Since you say "Preferably something for two people that is not unwieldy for one person to take out themselves", I'd say that crosses off a canoe though.

I have a sea kayak.  You can really fit more in than you expect - I've done a 10 day sea kayaking camping trip with friends just fine.  While I mostly carry with two, it's easy enough to pop on my shoulder and carry by myself although I imagine an older person would have trouble.  My 65+ yo parents carry with two just fine.  I'd recommend plastic.  A friend has a carbon fiber one, which is crazy light and totally unnecessary in most cases.  (He had leg cancer, so this allowed him to still transport his own boat.)  Once you learn to load it, it's pretty fast to put it up and take it down.  Get a used one and you'll get a deal plus be less worried about someone stealing it.  It does add wind resistance and thus to your gas bill though. 

Putting in a plug to please don't get a sit on top.  They're not nearly as responsive to maneuver.  You get wet.  Harder to transport things.

Consider also taking a lesson on paddling so you learn to use your back and not your arms.  You're much more energy-efficient so you won't mind paddling on your so much at the end of the day.  :)  (For a short lesson: Separate your hands on the paddle so when the paddle is on your head, your arms make an L.  Most people paddle with their hands too close together.  Next, envision a giant beach ball in front of you.  Now paddle around it, keeping your arms generally straight.  This means paddling further out in front of you than you would likely otherwise do, and turning your upper body somewhat with each stroke, so you are powering it from your body and not your arms.)


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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 01:50:08 PM »
This is way more than I have available in my recreation budget, but I still want it

https://youtu.be/FGKyOaw29yU

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 11:58:03 AM »
Stand up paddleboard! Meets all of your criteria and they're really fun.


I've really been wanting to try one of those.

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Re: Lake cruising vessel recommendations (kayak, canoe, SUB, raft, etc)
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2016, 06:32:21 PM »
  Get a canoe, look up how much a good size one can carry, there is a reason that design is a 1000 years old. It still is a great design and used ones off CL are cheap. If you want a motor they are easy to add and you can start with a square stern one or add a motor bracket to a regular canoe.