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andrec

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Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« on: December 16, 2015, 05:02:38 PM »
Hi,

I'm looking for a used car to purchase.  I was considering a Honda Civic until I found that there are some used Toyota Prius' in my area for comparable price/mileage. 

I'm hoping that there are some Prius drivers out there that can tell me what I need to know about Prius batteries.  I'm looking around on the web and people are saying that the batteries can often last up to 200k Miles.  There is a 2005 Prius with 92K miles that just had it's battery replaced according to the Carfax report.  So buying a Prius with a brand new battery should be an amazing deal right?  Is there anything I'm missing here?  I just don't know why a Hybrid car with 48 Hwy MPG would be going for the same price as a Civic with more miles that gets 36MPG....

Any advice?

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 11:05:51 PM »
I just don't know why a Hybrid car with 48 Hwy MPG would be going for the same price as a Civic with more miles that gets 36MPG....

Any advice?

Gas prices are really low, driving (ha) hybrid prices down. I am not sure about the battery bit, your theory sounds logical but I'll leave it for an experienced Prius owner to answer.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2015, 03:18:50 PM »
I bought a used prius for $10k w 90k miles and drove it 5 years and then  UH OH battery went at 180k.  I spent  $3 to put in a new one a few months back.  Hopefully I can srive it for many more years.  I love it.   Repair guy said 180k is average for my '06.  He sees them go bad because dog hair gets pulled into the battery.  Not sure if my furry shred factory pooch reduced the battery life. 

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2015, 06:15:08 PM »
Be careful what "new battery" means - I just bought a used Prius and found out (before purchasing) that the "battery replaced" in the maintenance report was just the standard car battery, not the engine battery. No big deal - the battery on it still works fine, but something to keep in mind.

That said - I don't think you could go wrong with a prius or a civic. My partner and I actually have these two cars - a prius and a civic, both cost around $5k for similar years and mileage.

My Prius averages 43-45 mpg (I can get 50 in perfect weather and conditions, but that's pretty rare) though the civic consistently gets 36, but I expect the prius's battery to give out in a year or two (I've heard replacement is more of a time thing than a mileage thing) requiring a $1-2k replacement. Since I currently drive a lot, and gas prices are low, I probably save over $1k in gas over 2 years, so it's very 6 in one, half dozen the other kind of situation.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 10:18:49 PM »
High mileage or 10+ year old hybrids are cheap now. Gas is cheap, so the mpg incentive isnt there for the market. Combine that with a fear of battery problems and you have a great market for a savy buyer.

I recently picked up a 2004 prius with 225k miles for $800. It was a crap show of a vehicle, but the important parts worked. I had to pull the seats, panels, and carpets out to clean that disaster of an interior, but the sweat equity came at a time when my hours from work were low. The dashboard display was also broken, so I had no gauges until I sent the gauge out for repair at $140 via ebay vendor. It gets 45mpg with normal city driving, or 50 if I really work it. That is without playing the mpg games the hypermiling folks do, which can make you a target for road rage. The bumper covers are shattered and held together with duct tape, but this car was bought to be an appliance. Damaged cosmetics makes it less likely of a target for break in or vandalism in rough areas.

I see much better "turn key" condition Prius of similar age/mileage for about $3k-4k all the time, which is still cheap when you consider a same year corolla is going for more right now. civic hybrids also seem incredibly cheap, but seem to have transmission issues.

There are lots of maintenance quirks that are well documented for the advanced DIY person. Cleaning the hybrid battery fan is a big one, on mine the fan was nearly blocked with lint. From what I read the pre- 2004 models should be avoided, because of battery cooling issues. The 2004 onwards are incredibly reliable. 2006+ are more desirable, in terms of electronics packages (aux input for sound, rear camera, etc)

if you see a good price on a 2003-2008 corolla (not the S model though) with a stick shift, you can get very respectable 35-40 mpg with a simpler car. I've simply been seeing them priced higher than the prius in the used market. Scion XA and Yaris also qualify, with the same notes. We have a 2006 corolla CE stick shift, and love it. That car will move with us, the Prius will be jettisoned to craigslist (corolla is in much better shape).

Avoid buying a prius if you are a stereo nut. The OEM system is integrated into the very being of the car, you won't be happy trying to bring in aftermarket anything.

Mine also had a "new battery". The prior owner had paid $300 (!) to have a new 12v battery installed, the hybrid battery is original as far I can tell.

If you are very tall, Prius ergonomics can be weird. I am 6'0 with 32 inseam, and find the elevated seat height discomforting at first. I can not comfortably sit in the back, my head hits the sloped ceiling. If you and your 3-4 passengers are on the heavy side, you can easily overload the payload of the car, which is less than 1000 lb capacity. 4 of me would be very close to overload.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 12:49:34 PM »
Not my own car, but my boss has a 2006 Prius with just over 300K miles. Original battery and it looks nice still. She claims very low maintenance costs, and 52mpg.
Unfortunately, Prius prices around here are still crazy high, thousands of dollars more than similar-age/mileage vehicles. I am waiting for a deal. The low maintenance costs are what attracts me, more than the gas savings, although that is certainly a factor.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 02:04:37 PM »
I have a 2011 prius with 100K+ mileage, and my SO has a 2004 prius with 200K+ mileage (bought used 3 or so years ago with 130K miles). Both have had very low maintenance costs; I just replaced my brakes for the first time and other than that it has been oil changes only, same with SO.

The car has been terrific for us with our un-Mustachian long commute. When we get into a different place with rail options I will probably get a civic or similar as my next car, but for high-mileage drivers it can't be beat. Super-reliable, comfortable and excellent mileage. Mine tends to average 47 or so.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2015, 03:46:17 PM »
Just gotta be careful with the expense of the hybrid battery replacement.  Just had that battery die on my Civic Hybrid and it would have been ~4500 if not under warranty.  Also the Prirus is not the most enjoyable car to drive.  If you take enjoyment in the experience of driving a car, Honda's are much more direct and enjoyable of a driving experience (in general).  If you just want basic A-B transport though Toyotas are great for that and good values generally.  Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 05:46:55 AM »
Back in 2008/2009 the company I worked for had 2x Prius and 2x Civic Hybrid's on the fleet, I've driven both and the Civic (assuming the USA model has the same 1.3 engine) is underpowered which meant drivers were over-working it and the MPG suffered horrendously. The Prius' were fault free in ~150k miles, economical and they still had them when I left the company in 2014. The Civic's on the other hand were sold in 2011.

I'm a Honda fan (have owned 2x Civic's) so hopefully thats a good enough opinion!

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 05:58:00 AM »
For nice, basic transportation, I don't think you can really beat a base model Civic. Every time I've run the numbers, the hybrids don't come out ahead. I've seen 40+ MPG mixed (more hwy than city) in an automatic 2012 Civic LX. Hell, I'm consistently seeing ~35 MPG mixed in an Si. That said, it's probably easier to get those kind of numbers in a hybrid.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 07:54:32 AM »
Heck when I drive my dad's 2013 Prius, I get about 55-60 mpg by paying a bit more attention and some light hypermilling.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 09:53:45 AM »
I just got a pretty super deal on a Diesel Jetta - with all the issues people are scared of them right now.

And then VW gave me $1000 on top of the great deal, plus I'm getting ~45mpg and the car will last forever.  Of course it remains to be seen what a "fix" will do to the mileage, but it shouldn't be terrible.  I see them as a good risk/reward proposition right now.  Maybe something to think about, I dunno.

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Re: Buying a Prius v. Honda Civic
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 01:03:28 PM »
My mother just gave my daughter her 2010 Honda Civic for Christmas.  (Mom can't drive anymore and the car has only been driven 7800 miles!) We drove it 400 miles yesterday to return home from the holidays.  It averaged 36 mpg and seemed great in the wind and rain.