Author Topic: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me  (Read 7960 times)

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2018, 01:18:00 PM »
If you still want a gun, you need to decide what you want it for.  Guns should be chosen very specifically for the job they are going to do. 

Just target shooting for fun:  Start with a pistol or a rifle in "22 long rifle".  The guns and the ammo both tend to be much cheaper.  This isn't very good for self defense. 

Home defense:  12 Gauge shotgun would be a good choice but it's harder to get quick access to one. 

Alternative home defense:  9mm pistol such as the Glock 19 mentioned above.  There are lots of other good guns as well (S&W M&P9, Walther PPQ, etc).  Stick with 9mm because it's fairly cheap, easier to shoot and effective.  Get a quick access handgun safe (combination lock or fingerprint reader) to allow easy access.  Bigger size guns tend to be more accurate and easier to shoot.  That also makes them harder to carry. 
 
Concealed carry for self defense:  Smaller 9mm pistol such as the S&W shield or Glock 43. 

No matter what you choose, anyone who owns a gun should get training on how to use it properly and SAFELY.  It's a big responsibility but can be a very good thing. 

Treading lightly (hopefully) on the race issue mentioned above.  Statistically, blacks in the USA are much more likely to commit murder and other crimes.  I believe this is due to cultural issues such as being raised in inner cities with gangs, single parent families and other bad influences.  It's difficult to break the cycle while living "in the hood".  In my area, we have lots of multi generational welfare families which happen to be predominantly white.  It's not because they are white, it's because that's how they were raised and what they are expected to do.  That's a hard cycle to break as well. 


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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2018, 07:22:05 PM »
For home defense I would go with a reliable 9mm.  Glock, H&K, Smith and Wesson, and Sig are all great options.

The best answer is to try a few. You want something that feels natural in your hand and natural to shoot. The only way to know that is to fire a few. For instance, a previous poster mentioned the S&W shield. I wanted so badly to love that gun, it's a great gun, but once I held it in my hand I knew it wasn't going to be a good relationship. Most ranges will let you rent different guns, and some will do it at a discount if you tell them you are shopping. Ask friends if you can fire theirs as well. Also don't be surprised if years later you find a gun that feels even better. It happened to me.

I agree with previous posters on 9mm.
1. Ammo is cheap so you can practice more often at the range.
2. Less recoil. This means you can get back on target faster after each shot, meaning that consecutive shots will be faster or more accurate than if you were firing a more powerful round.
3. More rounds. The same sized gun will have a 7 round clip if it's a .45 caliber or it will have a 12-14 round clip for a 9mm. That's more chances to hit.
4. A 9mm will cause serious injury. People talk about 'stopping power'. A 9mm will stop someone. Unless you're fending off a bear you don't need a hand cannon.

Buy a small gun safe. Something like...
https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-GV1000C-STD-Mini-Vault-Standard/dp/B001C601KA/ref=pd_day0_hl_200_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001C601KA&pd_rd_r=1a9415be-c2bd-11e8-9084-47b0b2b8c51c&pd_rd_w=2rHrN&pd_rd_wg=owjKd&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=0M6BQGFFM0ZT9XQXJZ02&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=0M6BQGFFM0ZT9XQXJZ02

Notice it has push buttons in the shape of your hand. Easy to open in the dark as long as you know the combo. Finger print safes are great in theory, until your fingers are dirty or the battery is dead.

For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2018, 04:20:23 PM »
Do gold coins go with the gun as well? It's kind of like cosplaying armageddon if you have a safe with a pistol and some gold coins. Silver bullets would ward off vampires, too :)

And yes, I've thought about whether this is a viable hedge option. That said, not sure I want to last long in a world like that.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2018, 06:51:25 AM »
For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
Shooting down a burglar sounds good in theory, but their gang/family/etc. know exactly where you live and are usually not the most reasonable and forgiving types. So the trial is not what worries me the most. Violence begets violence. The best defense is to scare them away with an alarm, lights or a dog. And if they get away with your phone or laptop let them. Not worth the risk of getting into a fight. Doesn't feel very manly, but it's the smart thing to do. And as a moustachian you probably don't have to many fancy items lying around anyway, and could easily replace them.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2018, 02:20:34 PM »
If you are in Texas you can go to a gun range and rent any number of guns to try out. Have some fun target shooting indoors. Hopefully get a good safety primer from the range owner. As others have said, owning a gun for self defense isn't the most logical decision and may reduce your safety.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2018, 08:04:26 PM »
For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
Shooting down a burglar sounds good in theory, but their gang/family/etc. know exactly where you live and are usually not the most reasonable and forgiving types. So the trial is not what worries me the most. Violence begets violence. The best defense is to scare them away with an alarm, lights or a dog. And if they get away with your phone or laptop let them. Not worth the risk of getting into a fight. Doesn't feel very manly, but it's the smart thing to do. And as a moustachian you probably don't have to many fancy items lying around anyway, and could easily replace them.

I never said burglar. If I thought someone was in my house, but in another room I'm not going to run in and confront them. It's much safer to create a lot of noise to let them know I'm aware they are there, but doesn't hurt to have a means to defend yourself if it comes to that.

In my earlier post I was clearly talking about defending myself.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2018, 05:26:56 AM »
For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
Shooting down a burglar sounds good in theory, but their gang/family/etc. know exactly where you live and are usually not the most reasonable and forgiving types. So the trial is not what worries me the most. Violence begets violence. The best defense is to scare them away with an alarm, lights or a dog. And if they get away with your phone or laptop let them. Not worth the risk of getting into a fight. Doesn't feel very manly, but it's the smart thing to do. And as a moustachian you probably don't have to many fancy items lying around anyway, and could easily replace them.

My Wife and Kids are irreplaceable.  So is their mental health if they get violated.  If I hear someone trying to break they are getting lead the minute they cross the threshhold.  I have reinforced doors so I will have plenty of time to grab my Glock and take a covered position.  Police are not coming in time in my area to do jack-shit.  If their family knows where I live that's fine.  I have enough clips for everyone.:)

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2018, 07:06:39 AM »
For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
Shooting down a burglar sounds good in theory, but their gang/family/etc. know exactly where you live and are usually not the most reasonable and forgiving types. So the trial is not what worries me the most. Violence begets violence. The best defense is to scare them away with an alarm, lights or a dog. And if they get away with your phone or laptop let them. Not worth the risk of getting into a fight. Doesn't feel very manly, but it's the smart thing to do. And as a moustachian you probably don't have to many fancy items lying around anyway, and could easily replace them.

My Wife and Kids are irreplaceable.  So is their mental health if they get violated.  If I hear someone trying to break they are getting lead the minute they cross the threshhold.  I have reinforced doors so I will have plenty of time to grab my Glock and take a covered position.  Police are not coming in time in my area to do jack-shit.  If their family knows where I live that's fine.  I have enough clips for everyone.:)

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/father-shoots-son/index.html
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/35405895/daughter-22-shot-by-dad-who-says-he-mistook-her-for-intruder/
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/florida-mother-shoots-daughter/
https://www.kptv.com/news/aloha-man-says-he-accidentally-shot-son-after-mistaking-cat/article_80386d83-42c0-54ce-8768-92b27b5c0077.html


I'm not sure that jumping into the shadows with your Glock and filling the doorway with lead at the sound of an 'intruder' will necessarily make your family safer, but best of luck to you.  As you mention, kids and wife are irreplaceable.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2018, 07:26:11 AM »
For all the gun haters, I bought a gun after my grandfather, who was a cop for decades told me, "police don't prevent murders. They investigate them after the fact. It's better for you to be on trial for self defense than them be on trial for your murder."

Yes, people hurt themselves by accident with guns. Training, responsibility, and safety will prevent this.
Shooting down a burglar sounds good in theory, but their gang/family/etc. know exactly where you live and are usually not the most reasonable and forgiving types. So the trial is not what worries me the most. Violence begets violence. The best defense is to scare them away with an alarm, lights or a dog. And if they get away with your phone or laptop let them. Not worth the risk of getting into a fight. Doesn't feel very manly, but it's the smart thing to do. And as a moustachian you probably don't have to many fancy items lying around anyway, and could easily replace them.

My Wife and Kids are irreplaceable.  So is their mental health if they get violated.  If I hear someone trying to break they are getting lead the minute they cross the threshhold.  I have reinforced doors so I will have plenty of time to grab my Glock and take a covered position.  Police are not coming in time in my area to do jack-shit.  If their family knows where I live that's fine.  I have enough clips for everyone.:)

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/father-shoots-son/index.html
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/35405895/daughter-22-shot-by-dad-who-says-he-mistook-her-for-intruder/
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/florida-mother-shoots-daughter/
https://www.kptv.com/news/aloha-man-says-he-accidentally-shot-son-after-mistaking-cat/article_80386d83-42c0-54ce-8768-92b27b5c0077.html


I'm not sure that jumping into the shadows with your Glock and filling the doorway with lead at the sound of an 'intruder' will necessarily make your family safer, but best of luck to you.  As you mention, kids and wife are irreplaceable.

Idiots are always news worthy. Regarding gun violence, Google will provide whatever answers/"research" the searcher would like to see.

If one has the freedom and proper training, one can only choose what they believe is best. Personally, if I hear the sound of an 'intruder', then visually confirm an 'intruder' potentially with a firearm themselves, I'd like more options than my cell phone and a bat/knife/insert useless choice against a firearm here.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2018, 07:49:36 AM »
Nobody believes that they're an idiot.  People in stressful situations often make mistakes though, and making a mistake with a gun is too often permanent.  Best of luck to you.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2018, 02:19:23 PM »
Nobody believes that they're an idiot.  People in stressful situations often make mistakes though, and making a mistake with a gun is too often permanent.  Best of luck to you.

Very true, mistakes happen all the time. Not having a firearm in the same scenario could be a permanent mistake. I will take that luck though; as chance will have the ultimate say for us all.

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #61 on: Today at 11:18:41 AM »
Using a gun in self defense is a very personal decision.  As pointed out above, actions taken with a gun are permanent and mistakes can have terrible consequences.  But, trusting that someone who breaks into an occupied residence is just going to take your stuff and not harm the people can have terrible (permanent) consequences as well.  I choose to have a gun available (locked in a quick access safe).  If someone breaks in, my family will huddle together and not worry about our possessions.  Those aren't worth shooting anyone over.  But, if the intruder attempts to come near after being warned I will shoot them.  There are evil people in the world and I have chosen to not be defenseless. 

If you make the same decision as me, remember a few things:
The cost of shooting someone will almost certainly be more than what they were going to steal.  It's only worth it to protect people not things. 
You CANNOT legally chase someone down and shoot them.  It MUST be to protect yourself or others from significant bodily hard.
You are responsible for your bullets, be sure of your target and what is beyond. 

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Re: Buy a Mustachian Gun? Or Facepunch Me
« Reply #62 on: Today at 12:51:51 PM »
Has anyone had a break-in while home? If so, I'm curious to hear how you handled it. When I was young, a couple of kids tried to break into the house when I was home alone, and I shooed them off with an M1 of all things. Obviously that's not an ideal close-quarter weapon. My concern with having a gun in the house is that I don't have time to train regularly with it and definitely am concerned of accidentally injuring my family. This gets back to the risk/benefit ratio. We're all talking about a low-probability but high-risk scenario. It's important to also discuss avoiding those scenarios. Most of this is being aware of your neighborhood and potential bad actors in the area, avoiding confrontations with short-fused individuals, and not flashing signs of wealth. Beyond that, my plan if someone breaks in while we're at home is to slow their progress through the house by locking interior doors, while getting everyone into the car to get out.