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What is your hobby-job?
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:33:55 AM »
I found an interesting article:

http://peerfinance101.com/2015/07/how-to-retire-early-financial-freedom/?utm_content=buffer512c4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

What is your hobby-job?
Is it at all related to your pre-fire life?
How much do you work (ie. 10h/week) & make per year?

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 11:37:11 AM »
executive director at local Habitat for Humanity affiliate.  PT salary is $25K/year; average hours are 15.  It had absolutely nothing with the federal government job I left.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 11:43:25 AM »
I coach/consult physique athletes, models, average Joe's with the goal of competition/photo shoots/etc.

I work a few hours a week, and take clients on a case by case basis.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 06:28:54 PM »
My first hobby-job is guitar player.

It has nothing to do with my previous career, although it is the career I always WANTED.
How much do I work? I play out currently about 2 times per month. I practice about 20-30 hours per week.
I get paid anywhere from (worst case) a drink ticket-$10 to (best case) $100-400 per gig. Maybe in a great year I earn $3-4000. Woo hoo!

My second hobby-job is print design/web design.

It has a lot to do with my previous career in the graphic arts industry.
I work at it 5-20 hours per week, depending on what's currently needed.
I only do this work for music-related projects--for friend's bands, and for my own band projects.
I do most of it gratis, although occasionally for a big project that's going to take some serious time, I ask a fee.
I get paid anywhere from a "thank you"-$1200 per project. Yearly income? $2000±.

No desire to ramp up the second hobby-job. I only do it if I like the person, like the project, like the band. Or if the check is HUGE. ;-)

All the desire in the world to ramp up the first hobby-job. I hope to be spending most of my time playing music now! That's what I've always wanted to do...

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 07:09:07 PM »
What kind of music do you play Pige?  Do you play with a band or is that solo practice time per week?

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 07:20:59 PM »
I act as a Project manager that installs large machines all over the world.

I have done one in Brazil, one in Australia and two in the USA so far.

Next week I am off to Melbourne to look at doing another one in the Southern hemisphere.

I average about 20 hours a week and it pays the flat rate of $52 an hour with time and a half over 40 hours. All travel time is paid for, so international trips are very profitable and I use my own credit cards to maximize airmiles and hotel points.

First six months of this year I made $47k.. I totally don't need this money, its just entertainment.

Its a lot of fun and great while my Wife works her final year of full time work..:)
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 09:07:46 AM »
Planning to work as a climbing guide.  Currently pursuing AMGA credentials (exam in August), and plan to pick up part-time work (weekends) prior to FIRE, but hope to guide 3-4 days/week in retirement, at least for the first 7-8 years.  Guiding will serve the two-fold purpose of (1) minimizing amount of money I need to take from the stash, and (2) engage me in doing something I love to do (rock/ice climbing).  Really looking forward to it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 10:10:47 AM »
UGH - Yet another "if you're retired and not working you're doing nothing and will become depressed, age faster and die younger".

Such fallacy. I have no hobby-job and never plan to get one (although I think it's a nice way to go). ER rocks and while there is nothing wrong with continuing to work in retirement, there is nothing wrong with not continuing to work in ER either. Really, being retired isn't doing "nothing" if you don't want it to be and you won't wither up and die shortly after you retire.

Amen, sister.

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 01:56:28 PM »
What kind of music do you play Pige?  Do you play with a band or is that solo practice time per week?

Hi Eric,

I play with three groups, one punk, one covers of R&B, funk & soul, and a (student) jazz standards combo. I play almost any genre other than country/bluegrass/americana. I'd probably enjoy playing those, too, but I've never done s

I have weekly ensemble rehearsals (~4-5 hrs); then I spend no fewer than 3 hours/day on individual practice (jazz study, and learning new cover songs). I'll be subbing next month for another group, so I have to learn 40 songs for that! :-o

It's fun. I'd rather be playing guitar than most anything else. Thanks to FIRE, now I can!

:-)
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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 05:00:54 PM »
I don't plan on having a hobby-job, I plan on doing charity work like Habitat For Humanity that allows me to learn new skills. 

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2015, 10:02:07 AM »
I think I just turned my full-time job into a hobby job by reducing the work time by a half, and also changing the work attitude.

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2015, 01:37:16 PM »
I teach an online uni class & do some consulting in my field. In a normal year I make about $27,000 for about 15 hours/week work. This year I will make about $40,000 but also worked f.t. for about 6 months because my old job needed me & let me work from home.

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 06:52:57 AM »
I teach a variety of classes at a community college, including martial arts, beekeeping, personal finance, computer applications, and psychology. None of this is related to my previous career, which was largely operations/finance type stuff. I love teaching classes that are essentially based on hobbies and interests that I have -- it's like having a built-in opportunity to share those hobbies and interests with new people! I work about 25-30 hours per week roughly 32 weeks out of the year. I'll earn ~$55,000 this year. Honestly, I'd probably do about ~90% of the work I do as a volunteer, but if they want to throw money at me who am I to refuse?

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 10:25:40 AM »
UGH - Yet another "if you're retired and not working you're doing nothing and will become depressed, age faster and die younger".

From the article: A lot of people work hard their whole life to retire and then find out that doing nothing isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. A report by the Institute of Economic Affairs found that retirement increases your risk of depression by 40% and many early retirees showed accelerated signs of aging.

Such fallacy. I have no hobby-job and never plan to get one (although I think it's a nice way to go). ER rocks and while there is nothing wrong with continuing to work in retirement, there is nothing wrong with not continuing to work in ER either. Really, being retired isn't doing "nothing" if you don't want it to be and you won't wither up and die shortly after you retire.

My thoughts exactly - why can't I just enjoy being free - unfettered? I have so many interests that there is no way I'd ever become bored. Travel isn't as big a draw for me anymore, because of my past lifestyle and I live 25 minutes from one of the top beaches in the country.

Anyway, I have had several careers and businesses over my lifetime, from a career in global insurance to working as an interpreter to owning a Bistro to freelance Interior Design consulting .... I liked them all, but I am now over it all too:)

I have a fine art photography website - everything from canvas prints to shopping bags and bedding and those cool phone covers of course.

Sometimes I take on a mystery shop.

Lately, I have made money following some of the tips on finance sites and I'm learning more about all aspects of finance.

Future: 

Cooking is one of my passions and I have always longed to pass on my passion and share my creativity. I love everything to do with gardening, from garden parties to designing garden rooms to having a veggie garden-potager to herb gardening as well as projects like moasics and experimenting with whatever strikes my fancy. I could see doing a garden walk with my cooking class, using the veggies and herbs for cooking and then relaxing in the gazebo in the party central area with a cool drink and our newest cooking creation.

  I'm considering an etsy shop for my jewelry designs, but not sure about that yet.

Volunteering has been on my mind, but nothing has clicked as of yet.

I teach a variety of classes at a community college, including martial arts, beekeeping, personal finance, computer applications, and psychology. None of this is related to my previous career, which was largely operations/finance type stuff. I love teaching classes that are essentially based on hobbies and interests that I have -- it's like having a built-in opportunity to share those hobbies and interests with new people! I work about 25-30 hours per week roughly 32 weeks out of the year. I'll earn ~$55,000 this year. Honestly, I'd probably do about ~90% of the work I do as a volunteer, but if they want to throw money at me who am I to refuse?

You are so lucky:)! That's the reason I'm thinking about offering cooking classes, to share my passion with new people.

Personally, I am perfectly happy with my life, whether I am doing nothing or have a part-time job or just a sidehustle.

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2015, 05:53:59 AM »
Hit Rummage and Estates Sales...buy and sell.

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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2015, 08:34:35 PM »
I'm scared to death to even think about doing that - I have visons of becoming an instant hoarder never to recover.

Hit Rummage and Estates Sales...buy and sell.

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2015, 01:08:02 PM »
As I get closer to RE (less than 2 years now) I find I am waffling on hobby-job versus no hobby-job. After a tough couple of years my new plan is to force myself to make a clean break from working for a time. We are going to sell everything and RV for as long as we are inspired to do so.

I am already sun setting all of my current activities, selling off supplies, finished goods etc. I will still support my web customers (I maintain a few websites) and I DO plan to kick into high gear one smoldering business that takes zero work on my part these days - my Cafepress stores.  I don't want to let everything go completely but things must run on their own during our RV adventures.

I've padded enough savings in the first five years of RE to be able to run the ship without hobby-jobbing. I am a workaholic so have no fear that after that time I can ramp back up to some light income stream. Depending on how our other passive income streams are faring, that might not be necessary.

Our RE income will be rental income, savings and 401k 72t.

Like Rosy I will have to stay clear of the rummage/estate sale business. I have learned this last weekend what a packrat/hoarder I am as I list all of my old hobby stuff as I prep for RE, I cannot believe how much crap I have collected in 30 years. Never again!

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2015, 08:53:31 AM »
For the people who teach classes, can you provide advice on finding your employer? Is this as easy as calling up the department head and explaining what you have to offer? Teaching appeals to me, have done this at different points in my career and enjoyed it.

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smoldering business that takes zero work on my part these days - my Cafepress stores.
How do you manage the marketing piece of this? You have to drive traffic to the stores to generate sales, right?

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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2015, 10:50:31 AM »
I have several that would keep me busy for years and years. 

1. I want to try some homesteading type activities such as keeping chickens, possibly beekeeping, gardening, and preserving harvests.  I will probably try to sell or trade with the excess, but I also consider this a job since it will (hopefully) reduce my expenses.
2. I'm currently a software developer, and I've always dreamed of building my own game.  More recently I've also wanted to dabble in mobile app building.  I also have a friend who has a side business in this realm, so I could always offer my services where pay is based on our success.
3. My current hobby is knitting, and I foresee myself always having a little knitting side project.  I've also been wanting to try related arts like spinning, dyeing, weaving, and embroidery, but haven't because my current free time can't support all these activities.  I could definitely see myself having a little etsy shop selling small items since I will eventually run out of things I would like to make for myself.  I enjoy the creation process more than the end product anyway.  Alternatively, I could see myself running small classes teaching these arts.

I'd be absolutely shocked if I ever run out of things I want to do in retirement.  These aren't even all the activities I want to try in the future, just the ones that could potentially make or save money.

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2015, 01:06:52 PM »
Axecleaver: look online at the colleges where you want to teach. Most have online applications, etc.  I actually was contacted by the college on the recommendation of a colleague that knew my skills.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2015, 08:17:12 PM »
For the people who teach classes, can you provide advice on finding your employer? Is this as easy as calling up the department head and explaining what you have to offer? Teaching appeals to me, have done this at different points in my career and enjoyed it.

I got my first gig teaching at the college level because the dean of the business school called me and asked me to teach a class. I had taken a class with her when I was getting my MBA and I guess I made a really good impression. I had a lot of work experience that involved corporate trainings and public speaking so that probably helped. The rest of my teaching gigs have all come as a result of my professional network. When I retired from my corporate job word spread pretty quickly and I got a handful of teaching offers within a few weeks.

You can check out www.higheredjobs.com to see who is hiring. Most of the faculty job postings are full-time, tenure-track jobs, but there are part-time, adjunct postings as well. You can also just reach out to either HR or to the department chairs at colleges near you to see if they are hiring adjuncts. Depending on the school, this may or may not get you on their radar. Some of the colleges just collect applications from potential adjuncts year-round and then hire from that pool as needed.

Initially, I was pretty much just teaching whatever courses were already part of the standard offerings. But after establishing myself, I've gotten to propose and ultimately teach stuff that I'm deeply passionate about. It took me about 6 years, but I was not teaching for a year or so in the middle because I was working on a start-up venture.

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2015, 02:20:09 PM »
I love this thread.  The spirit I see is - do what you want when you want, and isn't that the FIRE spirit all together?

50 year old and still working here, but trying to apply the spirit of doing what I love as much as possible.

I'm currently teaching pickling classes to many.  Sometimes I get paid, sometimes I gift the class.  Sharing what I love and connecting with people who share my interests is payment enough.

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2015, 02:36:14 PM »
Really, I view FIRE and the lifestyle it allows as my job. And REIT distributions and stock dividends magically go into my accounts - so it's like I'm actually getting paid to be FIRE'd. It's freakin' amazing really...

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2015, 02:50:34 PM »
UGH - Yet another "if you're retired and not working you're doing nothing and will become depressed, age faster and die younger".

From the article: A lot of people work hard their whole life to retire and then find out that doing nothing isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. A report by the Institute of Economic Affairs found that retirement increases your risk of depression by 40% and many early retirees showed accelerated signs of aging.

Such fallacy. I have no hobby-job and never plan to get one (although I think it's a nice way to go). ER rocks and while there is nothing wrong with continuing to work in retirement, there is nothing wrong with not continuing to work in ER either. Really, being retired isn't doing "nothing" if you don't want it to be and you won't wither up and die shortly after you retire.
You have to consider where the statistic is coming from. My guess is 99% of those surveyed were people who worked full careers. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that most people who spend 40+ years being conditioned to have to do something 40-50 hours a week struggle or become depressed when suddenly presented with the vast amount of "extra" time known as retirement. They're also older so they've probably forgotten half the dreams of things they would have done if they had no job when they were younger.

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »
Hit Rummage and Estates Sales...buy and sell.
This sounds really fun. I bet you find all kinds of cool stuff at estate sales, nice stuff too. The saying, "They don't make 'em like they used to," exists for a reason.

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2015, 03:45:12 PM »
I can honestly say that "work" has never been so much fun since not actually having to do it..:)

Big fat hourly paycheck, all travel paid for and I get to game the airmiles and hotel points.. its great.:)

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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2015, 02:22:55 PM »
I had every intention to get a hobby job. Have a few options - but unfortunately have not been able to stick with a hobby long enough to become proficient enough to even think of charging anything for my time and effort :) Hopefully one day.

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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2015, 06:48:37 PM »
Nothing yet! RE in March 2014 after working for 23 years and I've spent my time reading, sleeping, honing new/old hobbies (gardening, hiking, yoga, travel) and preparing to send our youngest off to college. Haven't been bored once. As an avid reader I'm proud/somewhat sad to say I've read more books in the past year than in the entire ten years prior.

I do have a master's degree and extensive experience in my field so I've considered teaching or consulting but thus far haven't felt compelled to actually pursue either of these.  DH is still working full time but can retire in 2 years if we choose, however, he seems to still enjoy his job so this is not likely.

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2015, 05:12:27 AM »
Not FIREd yet, but I plan to keep my artistic activities once that happens.

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2015, 05:32:28 AM »
Play around on the farm. 
Garden, cut firewood, mow, wildlife plantings, brush and tree trimming, maintain ponds, control invasives, maintain trails, etc.
Then fix and maintain all the tools and equipment I beat up on the above activities.

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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2015, 08:53:31 AM »
I plan to be a professional amateur adventurer :)

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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2015, 09:00:43 AM »
I plan to be a professional amateur adventurer :)


Oooh ooooh! Me too!!

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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2015, 11:47:45 AM »
I develop mobile apps (see http://www.FlipFlopSoftware.com) and write a lifestyle freedom/FI blog (http://www.WeRetiredEarly.com) as my side hustle.

However, I volunteer 1-2 times a week at Habitat for Humanity, I really enjoy that.

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2015, 01:40:29 PM »
Planning to work as a climbing guide.  Currently pursuing AMGA credentials (exam in August), and plan to pick up part-time work (weekends) prior to FIRE, but hope to guide 3-4 days/week in retirement, at least for the first 7-8 years.  Guiding will serve the two-fold purpose of (1) minimizing amount of money I need to take from the stash, and (2) engage me in doing something I love to do (rock/ice climbing).  Really looking forward to it.

Passed my exam and am now an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor.  Have gotten several offers/leads on p/t climbing guide jobs.

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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2015, 05:56:09 PM »
My 24 rentals....

I have plowed snow, mowed grass, handy man stuff, etc.  It all adds up.  Sometimes, surprisingly so.  Never under estimate the value of hard work.  Never be too proud of yourself to make extra money.

http://www.nononsenselandlord.com/2014/04/ultimate-side-hustle/

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2015, 08:36:23 AM »
My 24 rentals....

I have plowed snow, mowed grass, handy man stuff, etc.  It all adds up.  Sometimes, surprisingly so.  Never under estimate the value of hard work.  Never be too proud of yourself to make extra money.

http://www.nononsenselandlord.com/2014/04/ultimate-side-hustle/
24! That sounds about like a full-time job if you don't use a management company.

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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2015, 09:05:47 AM »
During the summers, I used to be a motorcycle instructor. The course was government approved and our organization administered the test at the end to issue a motorcycle license.

It was long hours, lots of prep work setting up and reconfiguring the course in the parking lot where we taught, maintenance on the motorcycles and then in the off-season we had instructor training to help us become better teachers.

I calculated all the hours I put in and the total compensation I got, and it was less than minimum wage.

But it was introducing a hobby I loved with new riders, I got to meet and hang out with other people who were also passionate about riding motorcycles. Frankly I would have done it for free... :)

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2015, 12:00:31 PM »
Planning to work as a climbing guide.  Currently pursuing AMGA credentials (exam in August), and plan to pick up part-time work (weekends) prior to FIRE, but hope to guide 3-4 days/week in retirement, at least for the first 7-8 years.  Guiding will serve the two-fold purpose of (1) minimizing amount of money I need to take from the stash, and (2) engage me in doing something I love to do (rock/ice climbing).  Really looking forward to it.

Passed my exam and am now an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor.  Have gotten several offers/leads on p/t climbing guide jobs.

Nice!

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2015, 12:40:28 PM »
Planning to work as a climbing guide.  Currently pursuing AMGA credentials (exam in August), and plan to pick up part-time work (weekends) prior to FIRE, but hope to guide 3-4 days/week in retirement, at least for the first 7-8 years.  Guiding will serve the two-fold purpose of (1) minimizing amount of money I need to take from the stash, and (2) engage me in doing something I love to do (rock/ice climbing).  Really looking forward to it.

Passed my exam and am now an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor.  Have gotten several offers/leads on p/t climbing guide jobs.

Nice!
Double nice and a big congrats too! Will look for you clinging to the side of Tuckerman's Ravine with screaming new-bees :-)!

haha!  That's part of the plan!  ;-)

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Re: What is your hobby-job?
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2015, 10:20:12 PM »
My 24 rentals....

I have plowed snow, mowed grass, handy man stuff, etc.  It all adds up.  Sometimes, surprisingly so.  Never under estimate the value of hard work.  Never be too proud of yourself to make extra money.

http://www.nononsenselandlord.com/2014/04/ultimate-side-hustle/
24! That sounds about like a full-time job if you don't use a management company.

No management company, I do it all.  And work full time.  And president of the HOA and property manager of the HOA too.  Plus some other things.

Other than that, I just goof off.