Author Topic: Fidelity giving bad advice to customers: How much do I need to retire?  (Read 4458 times)

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https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/retirement/how-much-do-i-need-to-retire

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Max plans to delay retirement until age 70, so he will need to have saved 8x his final income to sustain his preretirement lifestyle.

Great advice Fidelity, now Max can work during the best years of his life so he can have more than he needs during his final, health declining, years.

I have a mind to contact Fidelity and ask: What if Max made a billion dollars a year? Would he really need to save 8 billion to retire at 70?

Are these people incompetent, or are they trying to deceive people?

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83% found the article helpful, I guess they were happy to have someone tell them they didn't need 25x their spending.
On the other hand they didn't hear it was also possible to retire earlier.
Oh well.

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They're conflating income with lifestyle, which are more closely related for most people.  The article doesn't even attempt to address early retirees who live off less than half of their income.

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I don’t typically give too much credit to the “standard” retirement advice articles.. Most places assume the “standard” American retiring age of 65..

It’s pretty important to understand the difference between much of this community and the average American..

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Fidelity articles and calculators do not reflect FIRE values, but I will say that when I speak with my financial advisor there he agrees that I am in good shape to retire. I was bracing myself for a sales pitch during the appointment, but he actually seemed impressed with my plan.

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They're conflating income with lifestyle, which are more closely related for most people.  The article doesn't even attempt to address early retirees who live off less than half of their income.

Sure that's part of Fidelity's "Below average" category.

Called that presumably because nobody wants to be "below average"

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Fidelity articles and calculators do not reflect FIRE values, but I will say that when I speak with my financial advisor there he agrees that I am in good shape to retire. I was bracing myself for a sales pitch during the appointment, but he actually seemed impressed with my plan.

Actually Fidelity's calculator told me I could spend 2.5 times what we currently do.. So I guess for me they work very well.

Maybe the real answer is we could spend a lot more maybe?..:)

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83% found the article helpful, I guess they were happy to have someone tell them they didn't need 25x their spending.

If you are 65 you have an estimate average life expectancy of 14 years-ish (sure, swing it up 5 years for premature deaths) than 25x might be (or probably is?) a inefficient target to shoot for. Just a reminder as the OP implied, 25x is if you have the 4% rule as your cashflow in perpetuity philosophy.

If you have no interest in leaving $ behind, the older you get the less xxx's you need. Because money is death is pretty useless, amIright?

On the flip side, if you are 65+ in bad health, you might need more than 25x to sustain a medically challenged lifestyle where something costs you a bajillion dollars a year just to keep you alive (note, bajillion is a made up number and exaggeration).

Now, just calculate exactly WHEN you are going to die and you can easily have an optimized number of xs (taking into account sequence of returns risk, which you also have to calculate precisely) to shoot for.

Conclusion: use 25x and 4%, as a guide not a dogma. Because on both ends of the savings spectrum above you made an inefficient decision for different reasons. Maybe a truly optimized decision (that I assume 83% of people dream about) is just that, a dream.

Oh, throw in part-time wages for a younger person into that argument too (or maybe pushing hand-made bird feeders on the side in your Florida trailer park). Because those make 25x really bunk. Oh, but does doing some work make you live longer??

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Everybody else has already said it, but on average this is fine advice. You (and most people on this forum) are very much not average. Olympic athletes aren't taking diet and exercise advice meant for the average American. You shouldn't take retirement advice meant for the average American. Neither should be bothered that the advice is given to the average American.

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I just dont like articles that keep moving the needle for the age of retirement. 67? really?! That alone just didnt make me like the article though I realize that wasnt all there point.

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I just dont like articles that keep moving the needle for the age of retirement. 67? really?! That alone just didnt make me like the article though I realize that wasnt all there point.

That needle was moved back in 1983.  The changes to social security back then increased the full retirement age to 67 for people born in 1960 and later.  So, my entire career, I had been expecting to work until age 67 to get the full SS benefit.  It wasn't until about 5 years ago I really starting looking at retiring early due to significant investing.

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Its sad that "average" in this country means spending nearly every dime you earn and that a bigger paycheck = bigger car payment or bigger house payment or maybe a new boat loan, etc.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!