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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2015, 08:01:01 AM »
As Exflyboy stated, we should be addressing the real issue: Why is American health care so f'ing expensive in the first place?

Highly paid insurance middle men/women not adding value to "health" care.
Extra employees at doctor's offices to handle said complicated insurance.
Unhealthy lifestyles (bad diet, poor exercise) leading to more diseases.
Reliance on (expensive) pharmaceuticals when there are more natural and holistic alternatives that people are "scared" of but the rest of the world embraces. Note some diseases require such pharmaceuticals but many chronic conditions are better handled differently.
Malpractice insurance for doctors due to being in a litigious society.

Paying too much for care, and "care". We pay far more for drugs than other rich countries. The same identical drugs. And there's a ton of profit at every level--insurers, hospitals, doctors (some more than others), devices, drugs, etc. It's ridiculous. And we also don't research what things are cost effective compared to which other things (is this new $500 pill actually better than the old $0.10 one?) and provide too much "care" to certain people (like $100k cancer treatments that make people worse off and don't prolong life) and too little to others (like prevention amongst the disadvantaged).

Also, 1/3rd of medical spending in the US goes to administrative costs (i.e. insurance companies and billing). 

There is more research beginning into what is more effective, the older but cheaper pill or the shiny new drug, but someone has to fund the study.  ACA was actually supposed to provide some funding for this, but I can't remember the details. 

I do agree that we spend too much for "care" that is ineffective.  Particularly trying to prolong life at all costs after all hope of any quality is gone.  Education and a push towards more end of life planning, health care proxies, etc, would help. I find it fascinating that physicians make quite different choices for end of life care than the general population.  (Good NPR story highlighting this:  http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/06/413691959/knowing-how-doctors-die-can-change-end-of-life-discussions). 

Malpractice insurance is kind of a straw man for how much health care costs.  It is a very small slice of the pie.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2015, 11:33:36 AM »
Well the potential gutting of the ACA after the upcoming elections has definitely kicked the idea of retiring abroad into high gear for us!

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2015, 07:56:29 AM »
i thought the average family would save $2500/ year at least that was the lie to get the sheeple behind it.

 Yes, it was a lie. When he said that, I was paying $4,534 for a family of 4.
Now an Obamacare policy for my family of 3 is $17,112.




Do you even have an exchange plan? There's no way that's the cheapest. The ACA is not perfect, but it was a move in the right direction. Is a young healthy person going to pay more, yes. I'm fine with that.

Old system:
1. existing condition = fuck off and die
2. bad car wreck = we spent your max, fuck off and die

Instead of bitching and whining about paying a bit more, I'm thankful I haven't ended up in one of the above categories yet (and hopefully never will). I wish Obama hadn't given in to republicans and instead pushed through single payer. Healthcare at some basic level should be a right bc we are fucking humans and should give a shit about one another IMO.
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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2015, 09:04:06 AM »
Now an Obamacare policy for my family of 3 is $17,112.

I wonder why your policy for 3 is $17,112 and ours for 5 is $12,096? Bronze plan?

We have been buying our own private policies for 8 years. It's more than doubled in that time for much less coverage. Next year we lose dental and get an even higher deductible. But, we are happy that our insurance co. cannot just drop us if one of us gets seriously ill. A trade-off, I guess.

We're going to try an HSA next year.


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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2015, 09:23:22 AM »
In NY we have something called the "Essential Plan" for 2016 for anyone under 200 FPL.  Excellent coverage for $0 to $20 a month premium, no deductibles, $200-$2000 Max OOP.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2015, 10:26:00 AM »
i thought the average family would save $2500/ year at least that was the lie to get the sheeple behind it.

 Yes, it was a lie. When he said that, I was paying $4,534 for a family of 4.
Now an Obamacare policy for my family of 3 is $17,112.




Do you even have an exchange plan? There's no way that's the cheapest. The ACA is not perfect, but it was a move in the right direction. Is a young healthy person going to pay more, yes. I'm fine with that.

Old system:
1. existing condition = fuck off and die
2. bad car wreck = we spent your max, fuck off and die

Instead of bitching and whining about paying a bit more, I'm thankful I haven't ended up in one of the above categories yet (and hopefully never will). I wish Obama hadn't given in to republicans and instead pushed through single payer. Healthcare at some basic level should be a right bc we are fucking humans and should give a shit about one another IMO.

Otherwise known as the "your too expensive, now F off and die" model.

For a nation of 300 million people its amazing how low our collective IQ is.. We can't even get it into our heads that we are completely hosed compared to every other nation on Earth.. But by golly at least we have our freedoms... EXCUSE ME?

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2015, 09:41:38 AM »
shrug.  through healthcare.gov, I see completely different prices for me.  Changing my age from 40 years through 60 does not affect my policy cost and it stays close to $250 a month for my family of 4.  The most expensive plan was 880 a month.   A solid plan was $200 a month with a yearly max of $4500

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2015, 11:07:51 AM »
shrug.  through healthcare.gov, I see completely different prices for me.  Changing my age from 40 years through 60 does not affect my policy cost and it stays close to $250 a month for my family of 4.  The most expensive plan was 880 a month.   A solid plan was $200 a month with a yearly max of $4500

That's with subsidies included, right?

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2015, 09:12:26 AM »

 Yes, it was a lie. When he said that, I was paying $4,534 for a family of 4.
Now an Obamacare policy for my family of 3 is $17,112.



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Do you even have an exchange plan? There's no way that's the cheapest.


Here's the data, 60yr, 56yr, 21yr old son, non smokers, $70k MAGI, zip code 32405.
This is the result page after I type the data in,
https://www.healthcare.gov/see-plans/#/plan/results

 Your welcome to type it in yourself to verify.

Before you say, "it's only $366, note: the subsidy is $1066.
$1066 + $366 = 1432--- $1432 x 12 = $17,184 per year.
That's for a Bronze Plan.

The Silver Plan,
$19,824 with a $12,200 family deductible and $13,700 out of pocket.

From United Healthcare I can get a Bronze Compass 6400
for only $25,944 with a $12,800 family deductible and a $13,600 out of pocket.
I don't see why that one is special.
 Please don't say, "but you don't pay the subsidy, just because it is other peoples money doesn't mean it's not real.

 These ACA policies cost 50% more than a free market policy, to cover 2% of the population that have signed up for Obamacare. What a mess!

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Instead of bitching and whining about paying a bit more,


 72% increase in 25 months is not a bit more!

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2015, 10:23:02 AM »
"These ACA policies cost 50% more than a free market policy, to cover 2% of the population that have signed up for Obamacare. "

I don't think this is a correct way to think about this.  What percent of the population doesn't get insurance through their employer? Subtract off Medicare recipients. In other words, what % of population was buying insurance in the free market before the ACA? Doing it that way, a much higher percentage of the relevant market is benefitting from ACA. Don't know what % that is.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2015, 11:42:08 AM »
Part of the reason prices are going up is that more people are seeking care when they wouldn't have before getting insurance. There will probably have a small benefit in survival and quality of life, but clearly the costs are exponential for ill people compared to healthy people. The other option is for us, as a society, to become healthier. That is unlikely for a variety of reasons, so we either choose to provide healthcare for the sickest or leave them to rot because they're not rich enough. Currently we've chosen the former, let's see how things go after the next election!

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« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2015, 12:13:54 PM »
My husband's platinum plan went from $341 to $443 per month. A 30% increase. I was shocked. We're hoping it's just growing pains - that the plan turned out more costly than they predicted, and it'll level out. But we were a little worried that we'll be facing a $1200/year increase annually. Increases like that are not friendly for early-retirees or self-employed persons who do not qualify for a subsidy. This is the sort of healthcare inflation that scares many of our friends from retiring.

I thought my own costs were also going up. I have an HSA eligible Bronze plan. I received a letter from the company saying it was discontinued and all of the bronze plans on the exchange were nearly $100/mo more with more restrictive coverage. But when I looked more closely, I realized that my insurance company didn't have any plans on the exchange at all. When I looked at their website, my plan was still available, at the same cost, but with pediatric dental added to it.

In a way, it doesn't matter. ACA didn't force us to get health insurance - we've always had it. When I came from Canada, it was incomprehensible to me that we wouldn't have health insurance. On the healthy Bronze-level end of the spectrum, ACA made insurance better and a little cheaper. On the unhealthy-Platinum end of the spectrum, ACA made insurance a tiny bit better and a lot more expensive. It makes sense, I suppose: It's not as if Platinum plans attract healthy people, and now more unhealthy people are permitted to buy them.

We're fortunate that we can afford my husband's insurance. I am sure that there are plenty of people out there who don't qualify for a subsidy and are making hard choices about whether or not they can afford their medication. But then, those people existed before ACA too - in larger numbers.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2015, 08:54:20 PM »
When I managed benefits for my company (with 1400 employees) I saw why our premiums increased each year. The insurance companies basically gave us a breakdown of the high cost claims for the previous year as well as the population health data. If our employee pool went from 40% obese to 44% obese, guess what? Our insurance premiums went up. A NICU baby and a kidney transplant, and our premiums went up (in one year 5% of our 8% increase was directly attributed to one premature birth and one kidney disease... both for spouses of employees...). Alternatively, when we implemented a wellness program and saw across the board blood pressure and weight decreasing, our premiums actually went down (5% decrease the year after I started a wellness program).

Insurance is expensive because 34.9% of America is obese, 50% of Americans have diabetes or are pre-diabetic, and folks keep getting older.  Americans keep getting more obese, more ill, and older. Young adults have babies and 10% of those are preterm. Insurance has to lump all the costs together, add overhead, and still make a profit. The ACA told insurance companies that they not only had to insure the 45 year old, diabetic, obese person, but they also couldn't charge them any more than the 45 year old in perfect health! That really screws with your cost formulas as an insurance company.

The other thing I saw (since I worked in healthcare) was that our costs were hugely impacted by the 30% of our patients who didn't pay a dime. It only has gotten worse with all the high-deductible insurance plans. Those with high deductibles often didn't pay at all either. Say they had an emergency room visit that cost $3000. Their deductible is $3500. The insurance didn't pay us, and the patient never does either. But the law says we have to treat them regardless of their ability to pay. Now, guess why the hospital has to charge so much to those few people who can pay (or their insurance companies, more likely).

From a healthcare system point-of-view, a single-payor system would be one way to lower costs for everyone. Simply because there is such a high percentage of folks who don't pay at all, and the costs are absorbed by those who do. The other way to significantly lower costs for everyone would be if Americans went on a diet, increased exercise significantly, and started meditating regularly.

It may not be fair to the young, healthy, slender male American to have to pay high healthcare costs. It sure isn't fair to everyone else to be denied insurance (a few years before the ACA I was denied a private insurance policy due to a previous yeast infection. Seriously!). It isn't fair to a hospital that they have to treat the kid with the ear infection in the ER and get stiffed the bill by the parents, because the parents can't go to the pediatrician since they haven't paid her... And it really isn't fair that employers get stuck with really high insurance costs because their employees sit on their tushes all day munching on donuts and getting stressed out by incompetent managers... oh, wait. Maybe that one is deserved... ;)

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2015, 01:30:57 PM »
I'm still confused why they couldn't have left private heath care the way it was, and then put in subsidized plans for those who fit that mold.  Why make anyone that doesn't get benefits through their employer change their plan? 

If you have a condition that would previously exclude you from obtaining health insurance, you can now get it through the subsidized market/government
If you and your family were a one-income, self employed house with private health care, you should be able to keep your plan as well.

Why punish those that are healthy and like their plan (If you like your plan, you can keep it...bs), kick them out, move them to a new company, new provider, higher premium, for shit that covers less and has a higher out of pocket?  It doesn't make sense.  If the government wants to help the uninsurable, cool, there is nothing wrong with that, but don't do it on the backs of the healthy, and their pocket books.  That is the biggest complaint on my end.


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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2015, 05:37:19 PM »
I'm still confused why they couldn't have left private heath care the way it was, and then put in subsidized plans for those who fit that mold.  Why make anyone that doesn't get benefits through their employer change their plan? 

If you have a condition that would previously exclude you from obtaining health insurance, you can now get it through the subsidized market/government
If you and your family were a one-income, self employed house with private health care, you should be able to keep your plan as well.

Why punish those that are healthy and like their plan (If you like your plan, you can keep it...bs), kick them out, move them to a new company, new provider, higher premium, for shit that covers less and has a higher out of pocket?  It doesn't make sense.  If the government wants to help the uninsurable, cool, there is nothing wrong with that, but don't do it on the backs of the healthy, and their pocket books.  That is the biggest complaint on my end.

A plan that only includes the poor and the sick will not remain solvent for long. The premiums will be prohibitive. So they want the rich and the healthy to subsidize the care for the rest.

As an aspiring early retiree, this is in my best interests. But this is essentially just another form of tax on the rich.

Some people keep mentioning pre-existing conditions over and over again to somehow prove that the new system is better than the old. I'm in support of ACA for covering pre-existing conditions. I don't necessarily want subsidies though. Subsidies are just a tax on the rich. I hate being lied to. Call it a tax. Don't call it ACA.

Coverage for pre-existing conditions has nothing to do with subsidies for the poor.




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Re: Obamacare renewal
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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2015, 12:02:56 PM »
Just wondering:  I FireD in March after being laid off, so I have to much income for in 2015 for get any subsidies from ObamaCare.  However, I'm projecting a very low income rate for 2016.  During the renewal period for Obamacare, is there any way to project my income in 2016 to get any subsidies?  Or is totally based on my AGI for 2015?

For the record:  I'm currently paying $271 per month for Anthem BC in California.  $5k deductible.  I'm 42 - will be 43 in early December.

Seems like a crock if I have to wait another year in order to participate in any subsidies if my income is going to be below $30k or so in 2016.

Thanks

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2015, 12:08:25 PM »
During the renewal period for Obamacare, is there any way to project my income in 2016 to get any subsidies?  Or is totally based on my AGI for 2015?

Yes you can, but it requires extra effort.  You have to supply additional documentation to justify why your projected income is less than the last tax return they have on file.  Last year I uploaded it to the Healthcare.gov site and it eventually worked out, although the process was slow and not very transparent. 

If you do not do this, it's not like you won't get subsidies you qualify for.  You can always pay the full premium (no extra documentation required) and wait until the eventual tax return where you run the final numbers and receive a large tax refund. 

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2015, 12:30:46 PM »
Thanks Tyler - very informative.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2015, 12:48:43 PM »
During the renewal period for Obamacare, is there any way to project my income in 2016 to get any subsidies?  Or is totally based on my AGI for 2015?

Yes you can, but it requires extra effort.  You have to supply additional documentation to justify why your projected income is less than the last tax return they have on file.  Last year I uploaded it to the Healthcare.gov site and it eventually worked out, although the process was slow and not very transparent. 

If you do not do this, it's not like you won't get subsidies you qualify for.  You can always pay the full premium (no extra documentation required) and wait until the eventual tax return where you run the final numbers and receive a large tax refund.

I just attempted this (and haven't heard back yet.)  What did you upload?

My attempt was just a letter saying effectively "I retired early.  Here is a copy of my last pay slip.  Here are summary pages of my IRAs and taxable accounts I expect to draw from in 2016."

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2015, 01:22:52 PM »
UnitedHealth May Quit Obamacare in Blow to Health Law

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-19/unitedhealth-may-pull-out-of-obamacare-marketplace-stock-slides?cmpid=yhoo.headline

Edited to add another article where UHC is suggesting ACA is being gamed.  Who would have thought!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/unitedhealth-suggests-obamacare-is-being-gamed-2015-11-19?dist=countdown


Here is another article on UHC.  This is not good.  In summary: The largest health care insurer in the US is projecting a rebound in profitability next year, by significantly increasing ACA premiums.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/unitedhealth-cuts-guidance-citing-obamacare-2015-11-19
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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2015, 01:37:54 PM »
I just attempted this (and haven't heard back yet.)  What did you upload?

My attempt was just a letter saying effectively "I retired early.  Here is a copy of my last pay slip.  Here are summary pages of my IRAs and taxable accounts I expect to draw from in 2016."

Personally, I managed my investment income the year I FIREd to be exactly what I planned to also report the next year in retirement (at a subsidy sweet spot for my family).  So I provided a "no longer works here" letter from my employer to show I no longer had work income, and a copy of my year-end investment statement with an explanation that I expected the next year's investment income to be the same.  That worked for me, but YMMV.

This time around, I have a new part time gig so my income next year is less predictable.  I plan to just pay the full premium up-front and reconcile it with my 2016 taxes. 

Regarding UHC, healthcare is going to be in flux for a while now.  Working or not, we all need to be prepared for flexibility on this issue. 
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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #72 on: November 26, 2015, 07:17:24 AM »
That is weird that for some, the ACA is making them provide proof that their income will be down next year.  All I had to do in Michigan, was put in $52,000 for next year's income and they approved me. 

Interesting.                                                       Miss Prim

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2015, 07:40:03 AM »
That is weird that for some, the ACA is making them provide proof that their income will be down next year.  All I had to do in Michigan, was put in $52,000 for next year's income and they approved me. 

Interesting.                                                       Miss Prim

They mainly want some proof if you will be collecting a subsidy. If you put in 52K for a single then there's no subsidy. So they don't care. Likewise if you don't want to take the subsidy up front, then you don't have to provide anything.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2015, 08:13:58 AM »
We're not taking the subsidy up front, but do qualify for "cost sharing" (lower deductible).  We're having to provide proof. 

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2015, 03:37:59 PM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

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« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2015, 09:24:49 PM »
There's a list of documents you can upload on the site.

We pay up front because it allows us to meet minimum spend requirements for some pretty high value credit card rewards.  We've gotten a couple hundred thousand frequent flyer miles, plus about $1000 in cash rewards in the last year.  Not sure there are enough good offers to do the same next year, though others say there are.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2015, 12:18:22 PM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

The first year I provided a letter from my HR department saying I no longer worked there. That was sufficient. So far (knock on wood) they've accepted whatever I provided.

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« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2015, 12:21:26 PM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

The first year I provided a letter from my HR department saying I no longer worked there. That was sufficient. So far (knock on wood) they've accepted whatever I provided.

How long did it take for healthcare.gov to show approval?  I uploaded some "proof" a month or so ago and haven't seen any feedback yet.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2015, 05:21:31 AM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

The first year I provided a letter from my HR department saying I no longer worked there. That was sufficient. So far (knock on wood) they've accepted whatever I provided.

How long did it take for healthcare.gov to show approval?  I uploaded some "proof" a month or so ago and haven't seen any feedback yet.

I don't remember for sure, but probably after the first of the year. I submitted my stuff this year in early Nov and do not have approval yet. IMO as long as it shows you've submitted documents, the ball's in their court.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2015, 07:30:51 AM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

The first year I provided a letter from my HR department saying I no longer worked there. That was sufficient. So far (knock on wood) they've accepted whatever I provided.

How long did it take for healthcare.gov to show approval?  I uploaded some "proof" a month or so ago and haven't seen any feedback yet.

I don't remember for sure, but probably after the first of the year. I submitted my stuff this year in early Nov and do not have approval yet. IMO as long as it shows you've submitted documents, the ball's in their court.

And right after I asked that question, I got another letter from the marketplace asking again for the same thing.  I'm not sure if that is a rejection of my submitted docs or just them being redundant.  When I login to healthcare.gov, it isn't any more clear there either.  Damn it, I guess I have to call them.

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Re: Obamacare renewal
« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2015, 01:04:12 PM »
That is weird that for some, the ACA is making them provide proof that their income will be down next year.  All I had to do in Michigan, was put in $52,000 for next year's income and they approved me. 

Interesting.                                                       Miss Prim

They mainly want some proof if you will be collecting a subsidy. If you put in 52K for a single then there's no subsidy. So they don't care. Likewise if you don't want to take the subsidy up front, then you don't have to provide anything.

Sorry, it is $52,000 income per married couple and I do qualify for a $200 some dollar credit per month.  I didn't have to provide any documentation and was approved and already have my new card for Jan.  Do they check your previous returns somehow?  If they did, we really didn't show income much over about$ 65,000 anyway, as we were both only working part-time.  But, really, I just said we would make $52,000 and they took that and approved me for the subsidy.

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« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2015, 01:36:56 PM »
That is weird that for some, the ACA is making them provide proof that their income will be down next year.  All I had to do in Michigan, was put in $52,000 for next year's income and they approved me. 

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They mainly want some proof if you will be collecting a subsidy. If you put in 52K for a single then there's no subsidy. So they don't care. Likewise if you don't want to take the subsidy up front, then you don't have to provide anything.

Sorry, it is $52,000 income per married couple and I do qualify for a $200 some dollar credit per month.  I didn't have to provide any documentation and was approved and already have my new card for Jan.  Do they check your previous returns somehow?  If they did, we really didn't show income much over about$ 65,000 anyway, as we were both only working part-time.  But, really, I just said we would make $52,000 and they took that and approved me for the subsidy.

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On mine, the "need for more information" came several days (maybe a week or two?) after I submitted the application.  You might get a paper letter in the mail still.

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« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2015, 04:27:01 PM »
And right after I asked that question, I got another letter from the marketplace asking again for the same thing.  I'm not sure if that is a rejection of my submitted docs or just them being redundant.  When I login to healthcare.gov, it isn't any more clear there either.  Damn it, I guess I have to call them.

That happened to me last year.  Calling wasn't much help.

My original document submission was as a single merged PDF submitted in the "other" category when you upload the files.  After I got that "need more info" message, I resubmitted the info as separate files categorized appropriately.  I also noticed that my first "proof of income" submission was a screenshot of my brokerage statement that didn't have my name and address visible, which I later read was a requirement for any submitted document.  The second time I submitted the full statement with the pertinent info highlighted.  Those two changes did the trick for me. 

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« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2015, 05:30:04 AM »
Just wondering what I would provide for proof?  I was laid off in Feb. 2015.  Do I just send them some documentation that I lost my job + an estimate of my Dividend\Interest income for 2016?

Maybe it would just be easier to just pay up front and collect during my 2016 tax return...would kind of suck losing out on the time value of money though.

The first year I provided a letter from my HR department saying I no longer worked there. That was sufficient. So far (knock on wood) they've accepted whatever I provided.

How long did it take for healthcare.gov to show approval?  I uploaded some "proof" a month or so ago and haven't seen any feedback yet.

I don't remember for sure, but probably after the first of the year. I submitted my stuff this year in early Nov and do not have approval yet. IMO as long as it shows you've submitted documents, the ball's in their court.

And right after I asked that question, I got another letter from the marketplace asking again for the same thing.  I'm not sure if that is a rejection of my submitted docs or just them being redundant.  When I login to healthcare.gov, it isn't any more clear there either.  Damn it, I guess I have to call them.

Pretty sure it's redundant. I just received the same letter. As someone who did some UI design work, the site is frustrating for sure. This has been the process every year. It never hurts to call to put your mind at ease though.

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« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
I plan to upload my termination agreement with my former company along with documentation supporting my estimated dividends and interest for 2016.  I'm also adding $15k for project temporary work income in 2016.  This will put me around $25k a year.  I don't want to get caught up in Medicaid, I just want the tax credits, so the $25k should work out as an estimate I think.

Thoughts on this approach??  I have to go through covered California if that makes a difference.

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« Reply #86 on: December 01, 2015, 08:12:42 PM »
And right after I asked that question, I got another letter from the marketplace asking again for the same thing.  I'm not sure if that is a rejection of my submitted docs or just them being redundant.  When I login to healthcare.gov, it isn't any more clear there either.  Damn it, I guess I have to call them.

That happened to me last year.  Calling wasn't much help.

My original document submission was as a single merged PDF submitted in the "other" category when you upload the files.  After I got that "need more info" message, I resubmitted the info as separate files categorized appropriately.  I also noticed that my first "proof of income" submission was a screenshot of my brokerage statement that didn't have my name and address visible, which I later read was a requirement for any submitted document.  The second time I submitted the full statement with the pertinent info highlighted.  Those two changes did the trick for me.

Mine was uploaded as a single PDF categorized as "other" as well.  Following your lead, I busted it into chunks I could correctly categorize and uploaded it again.

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« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2015, 11:34:05 AM »
This process is a joke.  So I RE'd in Feb. 2015.  It's impossible to determine what my income will be for 2016, but here is the breakdown I submitted:

1.  15k work income (just estimating I'll be doing some consulting work)
2.  Another 10k in Dividend Income - it will be higher once I get my cash moves into VTI, but I can only prove the 10k as of right now.

I just wanted the tax credits to kick in now that my income is lower.  Instead, I get told I'm eligible for Medical since my income is so low at $25k and not eligible for Covered California tax credits.  I thought 25k was high enough to only qualify for the tax credits??  I don't want to get caught up in Medical - sounds like a nightmare.

Also, my income will probably be higher that 25k as I ladder into a Roth.

How can I get a reduced rate under Covered California (i.e. tax credits) without getting caught up in the Medical nightmare?  Sounds like I have to appeal if I just want Covered California tax credits.  Also, isn't Medical going to look at Net Worth?? 

Any help would be appreciated.

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« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2015, 12:07:28 PM »
This process is a joke.  So I RE'd in Feb. 2015.  It's impossible to determine what my income will be for 2016, but here is the breakdown I submitted:

1.  15k work income (just estimating I'll be doing some consulting work)
2.  Another 10k in Dividend Income - it will be higher once I get my cash moves into VTI, but I can only prove the 10k as of right now.

I just wanted the tax credits to kick in now that my income is lower.  Instead, I get told I'm eligible for Medical since my income is so low at $25k and not eligible for Covered California tax credits.  I thought 25k was high enough to only qualify for the tax credits??  I don't want to get caught up in Medical - sounds like a nightmare.

Also, my income will probably be higher that 25k as I ladder into a Roth.

How can I get a reduced rate under Covered California (i.e. tax credits) without getting caught up in the Medical nightmare?  Sounds like I have to appeal if I just want Covered California tax credits.  Also, isn't Medical going to look at Net Worth?? 

Any help would be appreciated.
If you are single then the ACA cutoff (also for Covered Calif website) is a bit over $15K/year taxable income. If you are above that then you should be able to get subsidies or tax credits. Make sure you are using taxable income (MAGI) and not non-taxable income in your income calculations. The Covered Calif website shouldn't put you in the Medicaid (called Med-I-Cal in Calif) if you income is above $15K-ish. And no they don't look at net worth in Calif as it is a Medicaid expanded state. Only thing that counts is you taxable (MAGI) income.

That's what I thought (15k for Medical), which is why I estimated $25k per year in Income. But they site rejected me for subsidies and said I'm eligible for Medical.  It also doesn't appear I can "up" my income estimate without an appealing the decision they made to throw me into Medical.  I'm actually wondering if they already threw me into Medical just by applying?  I don't want Medical - I already have a policy - I just wanted subsidies to offset the premium I'm currently paying.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.  I've got a feeling this is going to be a mess.  How do you prove next years income when your investment income can't be determined to a certainty and work income is just an estimate. 

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« Reply #89 on: December 03, 2015, 12:08:43 PM »
And just be sure you get enough income to not qualify for Medicare at the end of the year, cause if you took subsidies all year, and they say "oops, you didn't make enough, you should have been on Medicare," you suddenly owe a ton of money as you have to repay those subsidies. So make sure you get your income high enough. :)
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« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2015, 12:12:33 PM »
And just be sure you get enough income to not qualify for Medicare at the end of the year, cause if you took subsidies all year, and they say "oops, you didn't make enough, you should have been on Medicare," you suddenly owe a ton of money as you have to repay those subsidies. So make sure you get your income high enough. :)

Thanks for all your help guys.  Here is there response to my application:

Medi-Cal Eligibility
Good News! Based on the information you gave us, we believe you may qualify for coverage through Medi-Cal, or may continue to be eligible for Medi-Cal. The Medi-Cal office in your county will contact you if they need more information.
You will get a separate notice about your eligibility for Medi-Cal. If you have already received a notice about your Medi-Cal eligibility, please disregard this message.
Covered California Eligibility
You do not qualify for health insurance through Covered California, premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because:
You do not qualify for premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because your income is too low. This was based on your household income of $25,256.68 for the year ($2,104.72 a month

I'm not sure what to do now.

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« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2015, 12:22:32 PM »
And just be sure you get enough income to not qualify for Medicare at the end of the year, cause if you took subsidies all year, and they say "oops, you didn't make enough, you should have been on Medicare," you suddenly owe a ton of money as you have to repay those subsidies. So make sure you get your income high enough. :)

Thanks for all your help guys.  Here is there response to my application:

Medi-Cal Eligibility
Good News! Based on the information you gave us, we believe you may qualify for coverage through Medi-Cal, or may continue to be eligible for Medi-Cal. The Medi-Cal office in your county will contact you if they need more information.
You will get a separate notice about your eligibility for Medi-Cal. If you have already received a notice about your Medi-Cal eligibility, please disregard this message.
Covered California Eligibility
You do not qualify for health insurance through Covered California, premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because:
You do not qualify for premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because your income is too low. This was based on your household income of $25,256.68 for the year ($2,104.72 a month

I'm not sure what to do now.
How many people are in your household?

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« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2015, 12:29:08 PM »
And just be sure you get enough income to not qualify for Medicare at the end of the year, cause if you took subsidies all year, and they say "oops, you didn't make enough, you should have been on Medicare," you suddenly owe a ton of money as you have to repay those subsidies. So make sure you get your income high enough. :)

Thanks for all your help guys.  Here is there response to my application:

Medi-Cal Eligibility
Good News! Based on the information you gave us, we believe you may qualify for coverage through Medi-Cal, or may continue to be eligible for Medi-Cal. The Medi-Cal office in your county will contact you if they need more information.
You will get a separate notice about your eligibility for Medi-Cal. If you have already received a notice about your Medi-Cal eligibility, please disregard this message.
Covered California Eligibility
You do not qualify for health insurance through Covered California, premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because:
You do not qualify for premium assistance (a federal tax credit) or cost-sharing reductions (lower co-payments and deductibles) because your income is too low. This was based on your household income of $25,256.68 for the year ($2,104.72 a month

I'm not sure what to do now.
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« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2015, 01:13:02 PM »
Well, I just got off the phone with them.  They're saying they won't recognize my $15k I put down for consulting work next year because I said in my application that that work hasn't started yet.  So there's no way to prove it.  So instead of $25k of income, they have me at $10k.

So then I ask them, please cancel my application so I can resubmit it and they say they can't that because they've already turned my case over to Medical.  You've got to be kidding me.  They also said I better contact Medical because they might automatically enroll me even without proving my income.

What a joke.

Hopefully I can just call Medical and have them cancel it.  If they can, I'll just pay out of pocket for my current plan and get the subsidies on the back end when I do my 2016 taxes.  Does that sound possible?  However, I didn't go through covered California for my current plan (after I got laid off, I just talked to the provider directly and they allowed me to keep my existing plan) though - wonder if this would impact receiving subsidies when I do my taxes in 2016?

What a mess

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« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2015, 01:24:11 PM »
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What a mess

Welcome to government run health care.  Isn't it wonderful?

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« Reply #95 on: December 03, 2015, 01:37:50 PM »
...snip...

What a mess

Welcome to government run health care.  Isn't it wonderful?

LOL.  Here I thought I was going to have prove why my income projection is so low compared to last year.  Now I have to prove to them why my projection is so high.  "We don't believe you'll have any additional income, therefore you're being placed in Medical"  It's funny that they don't believe I'll have any W2 income next year, but they taking my investment income at face value.  Uh....OK.  And,  then they potentially automatically enroll you in Medical without verifying my income?  Classic.  If they happen to look at my W2 they're going to be shocked when they see $100k + in income from 2015.

I should have known better.

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« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2015, 05:02:46 PM »
I don't understand why the esummers is so opposed to MediCal.  Medicaid is like a Platinum plus plan for $0.  All my docs from Megacorp's plan are in my UHC "Community Plan", very sweet.

Remember Medicaid is monthly based while the Marketplace is yearly based.  So it is possible to have high income in the beginning of the year and drop into Medicaid mid way.
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« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2015, 10:53:02 PM »
...snip...

What a mess

Welcome to government run health care.  Isn't it wonderful?

Yeah, better than no coverage for your pre-existing condition if your cancer came back!.. I.e bankruptcy or death!

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« Reply #98 on: December 04, 2015, 07:16:06 AM »
There were individual healthcare plans before ACA. They were even less expensive than the current plans. As long as you had no chronic condition, or really any serious prior illnesses or injuries, you could get one. If not, some states had health care pools for, oh, $600/month for a 25 year old. Ahh, the good ol' days.

Back in the "good ol' days" I couldn't get a private health care plan (Tourette's Syndrome).  Best I could do in the state of Texas was a 'health indemnity plan' which is not quite the same thing as insurance.  Obamacare has improved my lot in life greatly.

FV, was your Tourette's syndrome pre-existing or caused by the proces of trying to get a health plan?

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« Reply #99 on: December 04, 2015, 08:34:51 AM »
There were individual healthcare plans before ACA. They were even less expensive than the current plans. As long as you had no chronic condition, or really any serious prior illnesses or injuries, you could get one. If not, some states had health care pools for, oh, $600/month for a 25 year old. Ahh, the good ol' days.

Back in the "good ol' days" I couldn't get a private health care plan (Tourette's Syndrome).  Best I could do in the state of Texas was a 'health indemnity plan' which is not quite the same thing as insurance.  Obamacare has improved my lot in life greatly.

FV, was your Tourette's syndrome pre-existing or caused by the proces of trying to get a health plan?
I'm assuming that was in jest. You're born with Tourette's Syndrome.