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My worry on true FIRE
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:47:57 PM »
hi all. So I can go FIRE anytime. I have many worries about that. I stumbled across this really funny guys YouTube channel. He's a young guy and lives in an RV. This video so encapsulates my worries for FIRE without a plan.

https://youtu.be/VtOE-LcBmnQ
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 08:34:17 PM »
That video was 60 seconds of my life wasted

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2017, 12:13:14 AM »
If you are bored when you are retired, that says something about you, not retirement. Boredom is a symptom of a closed mind. If nature, meeting new people, learning new things, and developing skills bores you, you will always be bored. Be interested in things. Then you won't be bored. If you're not that kind of person, you probably will need extrinsic motivations for things. That's a shame, but it is possible.

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2017, 10:18:40 AM »
I hope FIRE isn't like that..... lol

He reminds me of Bryan's girl friend on Family guy
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2017, 07:25:32 PM »
I can relate to what he is saying.  But remember he lives in a RV in the winter so that doesn't help.  As far as the problem of excess time it can be an issue.  You need a discipline and structure in your day to counter the problem of boredom.  Going from not having a minute to yourself with a job to having unlimited time in RE is a big change that really can't be prepared for until you experience it.   

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 07:20:08 AM »
I can relate to what he is saying.  But remember he lives in a RV in the winter so that doesn't help.  As far as the problem of excess time it can be an issue.  You need a discipline and structure in your day to counter the problem of boredom.  Going from not having a minute to yourself with a job to having unlimited time in RE is a big change that really can't be prepared for until you experience it.   

But most early retirees I've heard from tell the opposite tale -- that they cannot figure out how the hell they ever found time to work 40+ hours/week.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 02:18:11 PM »
Honestly, that dude seem very Mustachian. Logical, smart and apparently living well within his means with no desire to buy lots of stupid crap.

That vid the OP linked shows the dude getting existential about going all over the place and being bored by it all. It's a good point. Most cities are kind of all the same, IMO. And nature's great for a while and then it's boring, IMO.
Some people see a beach and think they're in paradise and never want to leave. I see one and think, 'Ok, nice. Now what? Do I just sit here on a towel? Am I supposed to frolic in the water?'

Life has no INHERENT meaning. You have to either make one up yourself, or allow someone else to tell you what to do (hello, religion). A LOT of people here talk about retiring and traveling all over. I, personally, don't really want that. But I'm also fairly bored by where I live after so long in one place (though there's nothing really to complain about). I've researched the rest of the country and living abroad. I've got several good options, but nothing really hits me with the urge to go.

I've also kinda 'used up' a lot of my hobbies already -building shit in the garage, doing artwork, writing, etc.
I mean (from a very recent post), is it Mrs.MMM's dream to make craploads of fancy soap, or is she just doing it for something to keep from being bored? MMM seems to invent projects just to make work for himself. And that's all great. But if you don't want to do that, you need to volunteer somewhere, or come up with something to fill that time. That's all this dude was talking about, and I know I can relate. Seems like the OP kinda gets that point, too.

Anyway, this young RV-living dude's 'true' mobile home seems clean and well-arranged. He's not some bum slacker or druggie loafer, either. I'm a life-long bike rider, much like MMM himself, and have also been looking into electric bikes and other electric contraptions for the most practical designs to augment a bike and car. This dude's got a great vid on electric monowheels (e-unicycles). They seemed like a great idea to me when I first heard of 'em a few years ago vs. electric bikes that seem much heavier and more impractical, and he's got a great rundown of owning and using one every single day.

And it's not just some dumb review where he says he 'likes it', and "you should go buy one like me!". He gets into the durability, battery capacity/charging/range, doing your own repairs, safety, ability to take it anywhere, etc. Very good stuff.

I've never seen that before. Usually you just get someone who just bought one and only wants to tell you it's super neato fun 'cuz they know you don't have one. You always wonder if they had a big fall later and stopped using it, or after the initial novelty wears off, it just sits there collecting dust. You also can't be lazy or out of shape to ride one. If you don't get it right, you'll be on your ass or face pretty quick.

I'm gonna see if he's got anything else worth hearing...

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2017, 02:46:53 PM »
I think it's important for everyone to know that there are no one-size-fits-all solutions in this life. Mostly because we all have different problems that we're solving. Some people apparently are bored by life... that makes no sense at all to me, but I'm sure my issues don't make sense to them. Any boredom I get in this life is a welcome rest.

One of my favorite movie quotes (which is only applicable if taken totally out of context): "Why did you fail?.... You failed because you had the wrong dream."  This guy is living what he feels should be a dream life, and hates it. Seems to me that he got the wrong dream (for him).

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2017, 03:07:56 PM »
Quote from: StetsTerhune
This guy is living what he feels should be a dream life, and hates it. Seems to me that he got the wrong dream (for him).

You didn't watch any of his other videos. His story (if true) was very tough and he made a lot of awesome shit work out for himself. He hates complaining and feeling sorry for himself. His Mom and Dad weren't around. Mom was on drugs, in/out of jail. But he doesn't trash 'em. He says they're great, and having to do learn shit on his own made him strong and able to be self-sufficient.

His RV's got it's own solar system which he clearly understands and did himself. He charges his e-unicycle for free every day and lives in the Pacific Northwest for dirt cheap -while everyone else there spends a fortune.

And the vid where he says he's gonna drive over to San Fran. just to ride his elec. unicycle around those hilly streets 'cuz it's fun as hell doesn't sound like a bad life to me.

Without a doubt, MMM would be happy to meet this dude and hear more about his life and how he's living.

Seriously, just watching several of his vids, he's VERY Mustachian and ought to be pretty inspirational to most people here (unless I got him totally wrong). People are def. starting with the wrong video.

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 10:07:54 PM »
I reckon that was great. I agree with a lot of what he said as well.

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 09:33:31 PM »
Look forward to digging into his archives.  Retirement / free-time is no holy grail to sustainable happiness.  I sometimes wonder what it would feel like, had I retired in my 20's, just to live off of this 'other people's pre-fabricated world' ignorant to what really goes on in the world of big business.  There is a hierarchy and a lot of our society and 'the system' is built by old money and big business.  But being an observer or conscientious objector is probably not going to be very fulfilling or empowering long term for me.  I like to influence or at least try to understand the world on a global scale, but I also love to be challenged (and rewarded).  I know others find that stuff to be overrated, to which I gotta say -  To each their own.  If you are happy, be happy (which is why I love that folks like Dr. Doom (aka Livingafi) and CheddarStacker (and even ARS aren't daily posting), but when you find things you are surprised by or disagreeing with, then join the conversation.
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2017, 09:48:24 PM »
He does not seem to care very deeply about anything. Perhaps that's the root cause of the boredom? It's hard to be bored when there are things you are passionate about.

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2017, 10:07:36 PM »
One cool thing I realized, after re-watching the source vid, is that we should all view ER-bloggers with similar mindsets.  Like - why is MMM (RB40, RoG, Tako),  so happy and satisfied in ER?  Is it like GRS / DividendMantra - that they are mini-CEO's building a successful business worth millions?  Just to spell it out, some people ER to get away from their idea of 'work', not realizing that they escape to working harder at their own endeavor.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2017, 10:42:54 PM »
To me it looks like MMM realizes fully that he often works hard (not sure whether it's harder than before, but hard enough to be challenging, and harder than lots of people work in the first place).  He values being autonomous, but treasures the challenge of hard work and the feeling of being productive with it.  At least, he appears to say that.

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2017, 08:31:44 AM »
I see 2 things happening in this video. 1) the same existential angst that most 20 somethings go through and 2) the depressing nature of badly planned strip mall towns. Neither of those things have anything to do with FIRE.

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2017, 11:49:38 AM »
hi all. So I can go FIRE anytime. I have many worries about that. I stumbled across this really funny guys YouTube channel. He's a young guy and lives in an RV. This video so encapsulates my worries for FIRE without a plan.

https://youtu.be/VtOE-LcBmnQ

Although the general consensus so far is that this guy is full of crap in the comments, he has been 'retired' for at least 7 years.  I have to imagine anyone who FIRE's well before SS and must be mindful of spending, is going to have a lot of slow days.  Sure, when you are working, endless slow days probably sounds pretty awesome, but I imagine it could be like the opposite of being too busy (my current issue).  Of course, the reality is that he just needs to get back to challenging himself, or make enough money to drive his RV somewhere sunny and warm.  Maybe he is missing FI in his FIRE.  Incidentally, his RV tour and life story vids help paint the picture better.

Interesting lifestyle, still plan to RV for a year or two when I FIRE, but in a little more luxury.
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 03:10:58 PM »
That video was 60 seconds of my life wasted

 From the link posted, I surfed to a young women full of the joy of life and yet having
having enough common sense to put some thought into how she will procede.
She's not just going with the flow she's washing away the banks.
 I found 17 minutes of inspiration she is a joy to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhf_XarJmE
 I hope her other videos are as good.

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 11:16:47 AM »
She is fabulous!

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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 09:33:35 PM »

But most early retirees I've heard from tell the opposite tale -- that they cannot figure out how the hell they ever found time to work 40+ hours/week.

This is so true. I just wrote that same thought somewhere else on this forum today. How do people with jobs balance everything? I am sure I probably did, just can't or don't want to remeber.
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2017, 07:03:42 PM »
You need goals and challenges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OscD3RYo6o
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2017, 07:19:11 PM »
Well he's got a dopey grin the whole time. Must not be too bad!
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2017, 08:46:07 PM »
That video was 60 seconds of my life wasted

I watched a few of his other videos and wasted about an hour of my life, and I'm not even FIREd, have to go to work tomorrow.

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2017, 12:11:49 AM »
That video was 60 seconds of my life wasted

I watched a few of his other videos and wasted about an hour of my life, and I'm not even FIREd, have to go to work tomorrow.

Ah, but the beauty in this 'problem' is that you will get paid if you call in sick, or perform sub-optimally for a day.  Although being 'on your own' has a better sense of reality to it, there is also the underlying truth that there is no paycheck for him if he wasted an hour of his life then wanted to work for a paycheck the next day...
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Re: My worry on true FIRE
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2017, 07:29:28 AM »
...Retirement / free-time is no holy grail to sustainable happiness.  I sometimes wonder what it would feel like, had I retired in my 20's, just to live off of this 'other people's pre-fabricated world' ignorant to what really goes on in the world of big business.  There is a hierarchy and a lot of our society and 'the system' is built by old money and big business.  But being an observer or conscientious objector is probably not going to be very fulfilling or empowering long term for me.  I like to influence or at least try to understand the world on a global scale, but I also love to be challenged (and rewarded).  I know others find that stuff to be overrated, to which I gotta say -  To each their own.  ...

Woah dude - this. (You put it so well).
 This describes my inherent 'outlook' on the world whether I like it or not. It's like I was made to think about my 'place' in the world, how I will 'participate', 'contribute', etc. Some friends/people I meet couldn't care less about that stuff; sometimes I wish I didn't.

It has been basically the whole motivation for me wanting to go into the "business world" in the first place. When lots of my friends are more like 'bum around', townies, artists, etc. and I agree so much with them on lifestyle choice, finding happiness in the simple, pursuing passions, it's like I wanted to see "how the world goes 'round" in the meantime (i.e. the time between highschool and when I FIRE to become a Townie/Passion-Pursuing Free Timer).

Another example, I'm a Christian.. and growing up I would always hear these pastors/ministers speak at church, events, camps etc. and if I knew that they had gone right into full-time ministry without some sort of participation in the 'real world', to me it always undermined their message. Personally I'm interested in one day maybe myself becoming some sort of full-time service/ministry/international line of work, but not without experiencing life with those in a workplace and making my own contributions to this current society I've found myself in.

Anyway, thanks for helping me sound that out a little bit

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2017, 10:31:00 AM »
Another example, I'm a Christian.. and growing up I would always hear these pastors/ministers speak at church, events, camps etc. and if I knew that they had gone right into full-time ministry without some sort of participation in the 'real world', to me it always undermined their message. Personally I'm interested in one day maybe myself becoming some sort of full-time service/ministry/international line of work, but not without experiencing life with those in a workplace and making my own contributions to this current society I've found myself in.

Glad you got something out of it.  Your comment also reminds me of the one college professor I had who had spent time in industry.  His class was the most practical and interesting out of all of the theoretical crap that the other academia-only professors taught.  It was so refreshing to actually hear how I could apply what I was learning.

Also, nothing frustrates me more then when I'm visiting my retired in-laws in a small town (in an area with virtually no industry and limited tourist businesses) and everyone is complaining about politics, what so-and-so did with so-and-so, how unfair the world is, what happened on TV, etc.  It's almost like they are stuck in a parallel universe, whreas I can come and go as I please (and I'm always quite glad to go after a week or two).
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2017, 07:37:57 AM »
Another example, I'm a Christian.. and growing up I would always hear these pastors/ministers speak at church, events, camps etc. and if I knew that they had gone right into full-time ministry without some sort of participation in the 'real world', to me it always undermined their message. Personally I'm interested in one day maybe myself becoming some sort of full-time service/ministry/international line of work, but not without experiencing life with those in a workplace and making my own contributions to this current society I've found myself in.

Glad you got something out of it.  Your comment also reminds me of the one college professor I had who had spent time in industry.  His class was the most practical and interesting out of all of the theoretical crap that the other academia-only professors taught.  It was so refreshing to actually hear how I could apply what I was learning.

Also, nothing frustrates me more then when I'm visiting my retired in-laws in a small town (in an area with virtually no industry and limited tourist businesses) and everyone is complaining about politics, what so-and-so did with so-and-so, how unfair the world is, what happened on TV, etc.  It's almost like they are stuck in a parallel universe, whreas I can come and go as I please (and I'm always quite glad to go after a week or two).
agreed, yes. It's very similar to the 'professor with real world experience' vs. 'academia only' phenomena.

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2017, 10:42:45 AM »
I've been following this guy's Youtube channel since seeing it here. He just sold all his stuff (including his RV) with the intention of traveling for a year or two. He said it's not that he's always been hugely interested in traveling but wanted to get out of his comfort zone for a while. He had/ has no plan and started off in Hong Kong.
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