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I miss the math
« on: February 21, 2016, 11:52:51 AM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D
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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2016, 12:10:50 PM »
New goal: become billionaire philanthropist. And go!

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2016, 12:12:04 PM »
I think it is just you.  Maybe there is a 12 step program for that though.

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2016, 12:15:39 PM »
You could project your net worth by the time you kick the bucket?

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2016, 12:27:58 PM »
Or start some spreadsheets for babyspy?  :-)

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2016, 12:31:23 PM »
Not just you. My poor boyfriend - I really want to tweak and plan his entire financial life. Luckily he' s a good sport.
Also the reason I intend to be a financial planner, for either profit or fun. Probably profit first, then fun later. I can only analyze my own situation so much. Then it's just saving and waiting. I need other lives to plan and monitor.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2016, 12:35:01 PM »
Or start some spreadsheets for babyspy?  :-)

Maybe babyspy's college fund?

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2016, 12:36:17 PM »
No way that's just you. Spreadsheets can be so addicting, they should make a game out of it. Oh, wait... they already have :-).

Maybe make a commitment to donate an additional slug of your income and/or assets, and then start tweaking the numbers to figure out how to make the rest of the finances work?

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2016, 01:39:30 PM »
I would run the retirement calculators once in a few weeks. I already knew the answers, but just to have fun. It seems that no full-time job might be a serious problem.

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2016, 05:41:56 PM »
I miss the spreadsheets too. I enjoyed it, it was like a game, how to solve the problem using creativity. I really miss it.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2016, 08:48:51 PM »
I got married and FIREd at about the same time. I always had spreadsheets going, monitoring my progress to FI, then RE. Now, DH does all the banking and bill paying and I love having that off my plate. I can honestly say I don't miss any of it, but it did take a while.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2016, 08:28:32 AM »
Or start some spreadsheets for babyspy?  :-)

Maybe babyspy's college fund?

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2016, 10:05:23 AM »
@arebelspy - I definitely relate. I was so focused on working towards my financial goals that when I finally reached them it felt kinda anti-climactic. "You mean I don't need to check my FI progress every day?  Umm... Now what?"

It took a little while for that to really sink in and wear off. Eventually I found a new outlet for my spreadsheet fetish, which has been fun. There are always new goals you can set. They don't all have to be financial, though.

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2016, 10:14:08 AM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D
I'm not yet FI/RE, and I have plenty of math to be done (both my personal finance and completely unrelated mathy-ness).  If you miss it that much you could take over my stuff.... :-)

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2016, 03:19:33 PM »

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

I'm in the middle of all that fun right now!  Oh how i love my spreadsheets and tinkering.

Can't you just live vicariously through all the people on this blog tinkering with their own spreadsheets?

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2016, 04:06:31 PM »
Well, I bloody hate spreadsheets and the related tinkering, and I doubt I'm the only one. So I see volunteer / side gig opportunities for you here...

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2016, 10:15:57 AM »
You aren't still doing spreadsheets for your growing empire of RE? To echo JJNL, I would be more than willing to let you tinker with my spreadsheets.

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 10:49:19 AM »
I can relate.

I wonder what will happen with my coding proficiency when I FIRE.  I'm hoping to get involved in some open source projects, which I've done in the past, otherwise those honed skills may likely atrophy.

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2016, 11:03:39 AM »
I make spreadsheets for everything...  I'm sure you'll find new things to obsess about in retirement!

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 11:04:58 AM »
Seems like someone needs to dabble more in the case studies section. ;)

Or just play with "what-ifs" for gits and shiggles.

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2016, 06:59:40 PM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

Not just you:

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/post-fire/what-i-miss-most-after-fire/

(and read the last post on that thread, I guess you found something to miss ;-)

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2016, 07:37:29 AM »
My wife hates my spreadsheets. I see a blank stare gloss over her eyes when I start discussing them. I love Math (probably the Engineer in me)

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« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2016, 02:11:57 PM »
And this weekend I decided to educate some R&D engineers im my org how to calculate flowrates and pressure requirements for high temperature exhaust systems.

Not only did I get a math fix in I also demonstrated I am smarter than they are!.. I mean how absolutely orgasmic is that?..:)

Of course it means I have to keep my hobby job as a result..:)

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2016, 03:09:23 PM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

Oh God, I'm a numbers freak. I have the precise month of my FI and my RE forecasted. I'm only 3 months into this FI thing...

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2016, 08:46:46 AM »
I'm interested to see how this applies to me.  I've never created a spreadsheet for anything related to FIRE (most of my FIRE math was a bunch of scribbled notes in the margins of unrelated paperwork!), but I am a bit compulsive about running a calculation, even a rough estimate, if I think it will help me come to a better outcome.  There should still be plenty of that in FIRE between my hobbies and traveling...

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 01:47:50 AM »
I'm a programmer, so I guess it is easier to solve my problem of missing my work activities.

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 06:50:03 PM »
Not having to update spreadsheets is one of my main driving forces to FIRE.  I hate Excel and every variant there of.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 07:22:59 PM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

Sounds like a part time business opportunity helping others do the same... :)

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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2016, 09:54:36 AM »
I'd be happy to send you ours to tinker with! lol - My husband is totally not into it and although I like playing around with the numbers and spreadsheets, I have NO idea what I am really doing! hehe

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2016, 05:21:52 PM »
I miss it too - even though I'm not FIREd yet.  Mostly I miss that excitement and sense of wonder I had the first couple years while I was discovering and learning about the whole FIRE ideas.  I've been on autopilot the last couple years and took a new job that I'm still mostly excited/interested in.  That lead to me completely losing interest in running the numbers and I pretty much completely stopped following the blogs/forums that had captured my attention so completely for a time.  It's still an important aspect of my life - but, now that I have it figured out, it's no longer interesting for me to study.

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« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2016, 06:08:02 PM »
I spent a ton of time initially with spreadsheets but... now I just let it run on autopilot.

We update our budget/tracking sheet once a month when we reconcile monthly. I don't find I need to do anything more than that, to be honest.

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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2016, 06:28:23 PM »
Spreadsheet your travel expenses :)

I spend way way way too much time on spreadsheets to optimize my travel budget.

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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2016, 08:40:28 PM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

I love spreadsheets too, so,no, it's not just you.  That said, there are soooo many things you can put into a spreadsheet...it's hard for me to imagine missing them.  I make a new one weekly, it seems ;)  But, another way to get your fix might be to share the spreadsheets you used to FIRE and help others set up their own?  Like another poster noted, i think this could be a good side hustle and way to share your wisdom. Your own success would be a huge selling point. You could even do it on a volunteer basis.

Since I FIRE'd I've been volunteering twice a week with a local cancer non-profit.  I quickly became in charge of reorganizing their databases.  I started with our client database, then helped them run stats on who they'd helped for better grant pitches.  I'm now working on the donor database and helping create more efficiency in how/when they ask donors for money by tracking giving patterns more easily.  No one else wanted to do it, but it was NEEDED and I've LOVED doing it.  Both are just big Excel spreadsheets. A lot of nonprofits could really use your skillset - maybe check out volunteermatch.com and find one?

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2016, 10:51:25 PM »
An amusing thread from ARS?  So befuddled.  I have so much math in my daily life that my FIRE life (full of simple math) became unfulfilling long before RE.  In fact, the higher math and long exercise routines (aka the 'fast life') is what keeps me at my job. But apparently that's just me, so I won't pollute this space with a whole lot of my opinion.   

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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2016, 12:59:38 AM »
the internet retirement police (IRP) say if you are fiddling with spreadsheets then you can't really be retired. 
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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2016, 01:46:01 AM »
But apparently that's just me, so I won't pollute this space with a whole lot of my opinion.

Huh?  Feel free to share.  Always enjoy different perspectives, and hearing your opinion.  :)

the internet retirement police (IRP) say if you are fiddling with spreadsheets then you can't really be retired. 
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Guess I qualify as retired then.  :(
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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2016, 07:14:23 AM »
Unfortunately, I haven't used a spreadsheet since I first learned Excel like 20 years ago. Ugh.  I've started one of the online tutorials several times, but haven't been able to stick it out (something always comes up). Perhaps when I'm retired . . . on potentially faulty math!

ARS, perhaps you can start a little cottage industry of doing the math for others?

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« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2016, 09:58:08 AM »
Before FIRE, I updated spreadsheets.  I made projections.  I worked, and reworked numbers.

Now, there's nothing to project.  Sure, I have a few estimates around what my FIRE spending will be, or income around my rentals, but that's mostly just waiting to see what the data comes in as.  There's no "what if..." tweaking.  There's no "if I change THIS variable."

I miss that tinkering.  The projecting.  It was fun to do that, and then see the progress, and to update those estimates with data, and make new ones.

Just me?  :D

Nope, not just you.  I have grad degrees in engineering and math and used the methods for modeling throughout my career.  The best I can think of, without going back to a full-time job, is tutoring or becoming an adjunct prof.

I feel your pain.  I read some math every now and then out of simple interest, but I can feel my Excel skills rapidly slipping away.  It was fun, just like constructing something physical.

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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2016, 10:43:00 AM »
I've barely put my hair fire out to start down the exponentially fun path, but I totally understand this.  I think for me, and maybe for others, it is not the math that is missed, but the tangible goals and tinkering with how to meet and exceed those goals. 

"If I just get to 8% returns I'll cut an extra 4 months off FIRE!"

"If I cut an extra $60 a month, over 8 years, that's another $45 bucks a month for life!"

That's the fun of it (for me), and I imagine I'll have to fill that void too when it is gone. 

I've adopted (stolen?) someone's comment I ran across once that said finances and saving was their gardening hobby-you plant your seeds, tend to them, watch them grow, and then enjoy the harvest. 

This has become my hobby, and I imagine that simply enjoying the product without the process will take some getting used to. 

That being said, I'm not exactly wringing my hands in sympathy for you, or in empathy...yet. 

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2016, 10:48:39 AM »
Go back to work, weirdo.

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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2016, 12:15:04 PM »
you are not alone in the universe...

spreadsheets were a horrible invention for whose of us who are 'list inclined'  and I struggle with it too , love to model, create graphs, see how adjusting budget changes distributions, see how investments link to spending ,etc. all of the items personalcapital starts doing but at much deeper level of data..

we should create a proper * anonymous organization and 12 step program as others mentioned..

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« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2016, 12:56:25 PM »
ARS, why not become a consultant and do cash-flow analysis for n00b rental investors to help them follow in your footsteps?
I'm in the thick of a massive growth phase and I'm enjoying the forecasts so much that I've started to fear I'll hit FI and want to keep investing for its own sake instead of living....

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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2016, 11:12:51 AM »
You just need a new goal to obsess about. 

Example: Write a book and spreadsheet how much time you spend writing each day.

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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2016, 04:04:38 PM »
See how fast you can pay off your rentals. If paid off then it's time to find another rental :-).

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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2016, 04:18:41 PM »
See how fast you can pay off your rentals. If paid off then it's time to find another rental :-).

I can pay them off now.  I don't want to, because math.

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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2016, 08:46:13 PM »
Hey Rebs, sorry 'bout the slow reply.  The namesake to our hometown Elementary school passed away on the 29th and it has been an emotional weekend for the community.  He was an amazing man, involved in Boy Scouts, education, business, politics...  It has also been fantastic weather here which might not last, so we are outdoors, and my son went away camping so I had to check his packing and busy when he returned...  So much happens when you think nothing is really going on!

When I first clicked on the subject line, I totally thought you were being facetious.  Sounds like you were serious?  I suppose I've been colored by other retirees I had read about (Bogleheads, E-R.org) who followed up a semi-math related career with math-heavy early retirement and deeper application and learning post-career.  Once you are relying on math for your 'livelihood' I would think you'd want to ensure you stay sharp, for a while.  The basic math is behind you, but optimization allows for endless manipulation and leverage and understanding of new ways to ensure that the math is working for you. 

Unfortunately the sites I was trying to link to are gone (bobsfinancialwebsite, gumby's math at Bogleheads, and my own 'sophisticated' withdrawal strategy / math that I outlined on my now defunct site).  Oh well, as long as the missing of the math does not result in a bad outcome, I'm not sure why I'm championing it :)  I guess personally, I love math and will always have it be a juicy part of my life, but I understand that some folks don't feel this way.  I also sense people feel the same way about difficult literature - symbolism, abstraction, metaphor...  They are not necessary, but to me oftentimes worth the effort.  Do you want black and white or do you appreciate shades of grey? 

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2016, 09:06:33 PM »
See how fast you can pay off your rentals. If paid off then it's time to find another rental :-).

I can pay them off now.  I don't want to, because math.

:)
Got it...because of the low interest rates?? I guess I would think more about the cash flow but that wouldn't be optimizing in your case.

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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2016, 02:09:45 AM »
I guess personally, I love math and will always have it be a juicy part of my life

Ditto.  That's why I miss it.

do you appreciate shades of grey?

Just the first 49 of them.

See how fast you can pay off your rentals. If paid off then it's time to find another rental :-).

I can pay them off now.  I don't want to, because math.

:)
Got it...because of the low interest rates?? I guess I would think more about the cash flow but that wouldn't be optimizing in your case.

Right.  The money is much more effective elsewhere.
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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2016, 08:47:04 AM »
@Arebelspy I just noticed your location says "Traveling the world"...lol. I'm currently selling my house so at the end of Apr I'll be homeless and unemployed...I'm such a loser :-). I'll have to remember to change my location because that's my plan, to just roam the earth.

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Re: I miss the math
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2016, 08:53:54 AM »
@Arebelspy I just noticed your location says "Traveling the world"...lol. I'm currently selling my house so at the end of Apr I'll be homeless and unemployed...I'm such a loser :-). I'll have to remember to change my location because that's my plan, to just roam the earth.

Yup, we're homeless bums.  :)

I put that as my location, because I didn't want to have to update it every time we moved cities.  I do have a journal thread though that stays updated with my current location.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
I (rarely) blog at AdventuringAlong.com. Check out the Now page to see what I'm up to currently.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!