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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2019, 08:20:26 AM »
Nah, nah, you're taking on more than you need to. We all respond to our circumstances as best we can. Joining the unfortunate wouldn't be doing them any particular favor. They've got plenty of company. What they need is different policies.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2019, 10:22:27 AM »
Historically, I already had my walk on part in the war. 

Now Iím just Fucking Weird. 

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2019, 03:20:40 PM »
I see FIRE as the opportunity to be a modern version of the Victorian era "Gentleman scientist" i.e. free from money worries with time for noble scientific, engineering or social pursuits.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2019, 09:19:09 PM »
I see FIRE as the opportunity to be a modern version of the Victorian era "Gentleman scientist" i.e. free from money worries with time for noble scientific, engineering or social pursuits.
Very cool.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2019, 07:18:24 AM »
I see FIRE as the opportunity to be a modern version of the Victorian era "Gentleman scientist" i.e. free from money worries with time for noble scientific, engineering or social pursuits.

This is exactly my goal too. I want to be free to dabble and work on my own ideas.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2019, 07:38:26 AM »
There have always been oddball groups that form sects/cults and drop out of society or form a commune/alternative settlement and slide off to the side. MMM just did it with more bikes than baptisms.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2019, 05:25:13 AM »
There was the belief decades ago that as capitalism advanced, people wouldn't have to work nearly as many hours.  That didn't come to pass because almost everyone just worked and worked to consume even more. 

If it continues to grow, then historically I think the FIRE movement will represent the shift in thinking when people finally start converting their extra wealth into time instead of stuff the way it was predicted. 

If it doesn't continue to grow then FIRE probably won't register to history at all other than as perhaps a footnote. 

Fascinating! I was at a party on Saturday and there were plenty of people there who made more money than I ever did, but none of them had retired early. Yes, itís not something people can think of. Maybe itís time to reread Max Weberís classic the Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. This whole idea of a calling you pursue until you are in the ground seems to still be dominant.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2019, 12:14:42 PM »
MMMers aim to be folk of independent means:
-either inherited or for a short time worked to accumulate
-often require frugality to live within those means
-largely invested in the 4 percents
-the rest of society is somewhat envious (minimal financial worries, minimal social obligations), but doesn't really know where they fit in the social fabric

For a focus on this class, look at Gaskell's Cranford, but there are also characters in Austen's works. Mr. Weston runs with the gentry, but that seems due to his choice of wife and purchase of Randalls.


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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2019, 04:59:57 PM »
I view myself as pretty damn extraordinary! Surely of the first generation in human existence to have the opportunity as a single (but not unpartnered at various times) woman to live independently, safely, and financially securely. FIRE is the icing on the cake.

YES!! I'm married, but knowing that I don't need to be is wondrous.

As for me, I definitely see myself as working on joining the new gentry. I'll be living off of the toil of others through investments, and have the greatest luxury of all - free time. Time is so much more precious than money.

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Re: How do post-fire people view themselves in historical context?
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2019, 07:47:28 PM »
Historically, I already had my walk on part in the war. 

Yeah, but did you trade it for a lead role in a cage?