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Re: Did you know what you wanted to do post-FIRE when you started?
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2018, 08:13:47 AM »
I definitely recommend testing the waters before making any big or expensive purchases or irreversible lifestyle changes. I've tried a lot of different things (always starting with the cheapest and easiest, least hassle thing first) to see if its something I might want to do long term. For example if I found out I didn't like long term slow travel as much as I though I would because I missed the more settled life, I'd probably.be able to figure that out just as fast if I were tent camping or using motels and my old car as I would if I had a new shiny RV or camper van or sailboat.
In my case, there's a good chance of the irreversible lifestyle happening in any case, not just because of being retired, but because I'm also looking at a high likelihood of relocating during FIRE.  I don't particularly want to keep living where I am now, so unless I change my mind in the future, I'll be selling my house within the first year or so after FIRE.  I probably wouldn't buy an RV until I had a buyer.  One thing I liked about the RV idea was taking my time traveling around to see different areas I might be interested in relocating to.  And who knows, maybe I would find I actually like the RV life and would want to continue with that longer.  On the other hand, I don't need an RV to travel, and I could always change things up later on and switch to an RV if my experiences pushed me in that direction.  It does give me some anxiety thinking about not having a home to return to.
I sold my house last fall and have had quite a bit of anxiety about being "homeless with dog". My IBL (inner bag lady) screams at me fairly often ;-).. But that's abating now that I found its a bit easier to do short or long term rentals and know that I could buy again if I want to. Since I have been staying in one area for the winter a few months after I sold my house, and am moving on tomorrow.(but may end up back thete this summer as its a nice area and close to family and friends), my IBL might start screaming at me again.  However, like you, I'm mainly going places to check out areas I want to relocate so may end up getting another rental soon and just travel part time. 

ETA this was also the reason I didnt want to buy anything like an RV or camper van/truck. I wasn't sure If I'd like full timing with my dog (I don't) so just going with what I already had will make it easier to change things with zero extra expense or hassle. If I loved it I could always upgrade if I wanted.

Why don't you like full-timing with your dog? I ask because we're mulling over going full-time with a dog in an RV....

The #1 reason we went the RV route is because we have a dog and it's difficult to find AirBnBs and short term rentals with a dog. Without her, we 100% would have gone with a station wagon and a bike rack.

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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2018, 12:22:37 PM »
I definitely recommend testing the waters before making any big or expensive purchases or irreversible lifestyle changes. I've tried a lot of different things (always starting with the cheapest and easiest, least hassle thing first) to see if its something I might want to do long term. For example if I found out I didn't like long term slow travel as much as I though I would because I missed the more settled life, I'd probably.be able to figure that out just as fast if I were tent camping or using motels and my old car as I would if I had a new shiny RV or camper van or sailboat.
In my case, there's a good chance of the irreversible lifestyle happening in any case, not just because of being retired, but because I'm also looking at a high likelihood of relocating during FIRE.  I don't particularly want to keep living where I am now, so unless I change my mind in the future, I'll be selling my house within the first year or so after FIRE.  I probably wouldn't buy an RV until I had a buyer.  One thing I liked about the RV idea was taking my time traveling around to see different areas I might be interested in relocating to.  And who knows, maybe I would find I actually like the RV life and would want to continue with that longer.  On the other hand, I don't need an RV to travel, and I could always change things up later on and switch to an RV if my experiences pushed me in that direction.  It does give me some anxiety thinking about not having a home to return to.
I sold my house last fall and have had quite a bit of anxiety about being "homeless with dog". My IBL (inner bag lady) screams at me fairly often ;-).. But that's abating now that I found its a bit easier to do short or long term rentals and know that I could buy again if I want to. Since I have been staying in one area for the winter a few months after I sold my house, and am moving on tomorrow.(but may end up back thete this summer as its a nice area and close to family and friends), my IBL might start screaming at me again.  However, like you, I'm mainly going places to check out areas I want to relocate so may end up getting another rental soon and just travel part time. 

ETA this was also the reason I didnt want to buy anything like an RV or camper van/truck. I wasn't sure If I'd like full timing with my dog (I don't) so just going with what I already had will make it easier to change things with zero extra expense or hassle. If I loved it I could always upgrade if I wanted.

Why don't you like full-timing with your dog? I ask because we're mulling over going full-time with a dog in an RV....

The #1 reason we went the RV route is because we have a dog and it's difficult to find AirBnBs and short term rentals with a dog. Without her, we 100% would have gone with a station wagon and a bike rack.
I think mainly its because I like to do a lot of outdoorsy things I can't take my dog along on and I'm not OK with leaving her alone in a vehicle all day (even an RV). Plus going places where dogs aren't allowed or only allowed in limited areas like in Nat Parks and state parks or just wanting to do non-doggie things like go to a museum or spend the day in a city or going inside buildings. Go out at night. Etc.

For example I went to Zion a couple of weeks ago to bike and hike, followed by a stop in Vegas for a couple of days and then a few days skiing in Cali. If I had the dog with me (sis was watching her) I wouldn't really have been able to do much other than sightsee. Sure there's always boarding but it's not always available close by and it can get pricey. And as a solo traveler this makes doing some things even more difficult.

So for me being that restricted on a full time 24/7 basis was too much. However this is probably just me and YMMV. Lots of people travel, and especially RV, with their dogs full time and love it. I like it but not full time.

ETA: I still plan to.do a long cross country trip with her but have learned that what works best for me is to stop somewhere for a fairly long while (month or so) and get a place near areas I want to explore and do various activities in. That way I can still do many doggie things but also have a lot of time to go do things I wouldn't be able to take her knowing she's safe and comfortable in a secure place.

Thanks for the input Spartana. One of the other reasons for the RV was the presence of a powered roof vent (to keep it cool) and a furnace (to keep it warm) so we could leave the dog for an afternoon if needed. I could see how many would not be comfortable doing that though. Frankly I don't think she even likes me that much so she's probably happier staying in the vehicle on her own.

They are very restrictive for outdoors activities though - they aren't allowed in pretty much any nat parks in the US it seems and half of Canadian parks seem to be caribou habitat (sprawling SOBs!) so they're not allowed there either.

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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2018, 07:29:14 PM »
Hello all,

I have just recently started learning about the FIRE community, and, as someone who is intrigued but intimidated by the commitment, I was wondering if those who are post-FIRE had an idea of what they wanted to do with their time/hobbies they wanted to dive into/places they wanted to visit before they retired early, or did your plans about what your retirement would look like start to form more when you were closer to achieving it or had already done so?

Thanks in advance, I'd be glad to hear from you!

I wanted to go home. 

I grew up in a tourist town in Michigan where there are few-to-none programming jobs.  Moved to Massachusetts at 25 to be with my boyfriend-now-husband.  Decided I'd have to save like mad if I ever wanted to move back to Michigan because there was no way I'd be able to find a job there.

We're on track to move back at 50.  Or so.  The original plan was 40 but a kid and some lifestyle inflation have moved the goalpost.  Can't move 'til she graduates high school (or did he say college?) and we like to travel (not a lot of flights into that part of Michigan).  But some day I want to go home for good.
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« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2018, 12:45:36 AM »
Hello all,

I have just recently started learning about the FIRE community, and, as someone who is intrigued but intimidated by the commitment, I was wondering if those who are post-FIRE had an idea of what they wanted to do with their time/hobbies they wanted to dive into/places they wanted to visit before they retired early, or did your plans about what your retirement would look like start to form more when you were closer to achieving it or had already done so?

Thanks in advance, I'd be glad to hear from you!

I wanted to go home. 

I grew up in a tourist town in Michigan where there are few-to-none programming jobs.  Moved to Massachusetts at 25 to be with my boyfriend-now-husband.  Decided I'd have to save like mad if I ever wanted to move back to Michigan because there was no way I'd be able to find a job there.

We're on track to move back at 50.  Or so.  The original plan was 40 but a kid and some lifestyle inflation have moved the goalpost.  Can't move 'til she graduates high school (or did he say college?) and we like to travel (not a lot of flights into that part of Michigan).  But some day I want to go home for good.

Wouldn't coast-FI be a good option for you? Save till a certain % of your FI goal (let's say 75% or so), then move back and work a lower paying job/freelancing/distance working to cover bills while the money can grow to 100%?

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« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2018, 03:04:17 PM »
I definitely recommend testing the waters before making any big or expensive purchases or irreversible lifestyle changes. I've tried a lot of different things (always starting with the cheapest and easiest, least hassle thing first) to see if its something I might want to do long term. For example if I found out I didn't like long term slow travel as much as I though I would because I missed the more settled life, I'd probably.be able to figure that out just as fast if I were tent camping or using motels and my old car as I would if I had a new shiny RV or camper van or sailboat.
In my case, there's a good chance of the irreversible lifestyle happening in any case, not just because of being retired, but because I'm also looking at a high likelihood of relocating during FIRE.  I don't particularly want to keep living where I am now, so unless I change my mind in the future, I'll be selling my house within the first year or so after FIRE.  I probably wouldn't buy an RV until I had a buyer.  One thing I liked about the RV idea was taking my time traveling around to see different areas I might be interested in relocating to.  And who knows, maybe I would find I actually like the RV life and would want to continue with that longer.  On the other hand, I don't need an RV to travel, and I could always change things up later on and switch to an RV if my experiences pushed me in that direction.  It does give me some anxiety thinking about not having a home to return to.
I sold my house last fall and have had quite a bit of anxiety about being "homeless with dog". My IBL (inner bag lady) screams at me fairly often ;-).. But that's abating now that I found its a bit easier to do short or long term rentals and know that I could buy again if I want to. Since I have been staying in one area for the winter a few months after I sold my house, and am moving on tomorrow.(but may end up back thete this summer as its a nice area and close to family and friends), my IBL might start screaming at me again.  However, like you, I'm mainly going places to check out areas I want to relocate so may end up getting another rental soon and just travel part time. 

ETA this was also the reason I didnt want to buy anything like an RV or camper van/truck. I wasn't sure If I'd like full timing with my dog (I don't) so just going with what I already had will make it easier to change things with zero extra expense or hassle. If I loved it I could always upgrade if I wanted.

Why don't you like full-timing with your dog? I ask because we're mulling over going full-time with a dog in an RV....

The #1 reason we went the RV route is because we have a dog and it's difficult to find AirBnBs and short term rentals with a dog. Without her, we 100% would have gone with a station wagon and a bike rack.
Most people we meet on the road travel with pets, some with multiple pets. We don't mainly due to allergies but we are in the minority for sure.
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« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2018, 10:05:56 PM »
Most people we meet on the road travel with pets, some with multiple pets. We don't mainly due to allergies but we are in the minority for sure.
Now I'm imagining being in (or by) my RV and that a near-by RV has a dog barking.  Not a nice thought.  I'm one of those people that would not want to be hauling around a pet.  I'll wait until I'm ready to settle down permanently somewhere before I'll even consider getting another dog.

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« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2018, 11:51:13 PM »
I guess I've been fortunate to experience some of the 'exotic' life by being an expatriate in Norway and Dubai.  Having the company put you in fancy housing and flying business class is pretty nice, but it also gets taxing in its own physical way.  On our first assignment overseas, we sold our home and cars and pocketed lots.  But our second time around, we kept our better home and came back to it for holidays and extended breaks - so preferable. 

Life seems to naturally inflate in the child-rearing phase when you start to prefer and can afford a permanent base as well as whatever extra.  And there seem to be more and more demands - phones, cars, college, better clothes... 

But my wife and I now, with older children, are headed toward converging on this 'second career' optimization - a home in a retirement community (amenities, few disturbances, a social network, and things like yard-work covered) while getting to SCUBA dive internationally, more safaris, maybe indulge in 'Smithsonian' trips but also bike tours and hostels, and dip our toes in the emerging world.  Ultimately the goal is to formulate an efficient philanthropic lifestyle.  But, of course, all of this requires more than bare-bones FI.
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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2018, 09:41:05 AM »
Most people we meet on the road travel with pets, some with multiple pets. We don't mainly due to allergies but we are in the minority for sure.
Now I'm imagining being in (or by) my RV and that a near-by RV has a dog barking.  Not a nice thought.  I'm one of those people that would not want to be hauling around a pet.  I'll wait until I'm ready to settle down permanently somewhere before I'll even consider getting another dog.
Did I ever mention my dog's name is The Barkinator?

"Listen, and understand. That Barkinator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you give it snackies".

My neighbours also have a barkinator. Whenever the tiny dog is outside, it barks. Luckily the past half year has been winter, so the dog has been inside most of the time. But now spring is approaching fast and I am already hearing the dog more and more often. We hear it when we are inside our house.

Wonder why some dogs do that? I know many other dogs that don't bark all the time.
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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2018, 10:06:39 AM »
Most people we meet on the road travel with pets, some with multiple pets. We don't mainly due to allergies but we are in the minority for sure.
Now I'm imagining being in (or by) my RV and that a near-by RV has a dog barking.  Not a nice thought.  I'm one of those people that would not want to be hauling around a pet.  I'll wait until I'm ready to settle down permanently somewhere before I'll even consider getting another dog.
Did I ever mention my dog's name is The Barkinator?

"Listen, and understand. That Barkinator is out there. It canít be bargained with. It canít be reasoned with. It doesnít feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you give it snackies".

My neighbours also have a barkinator. Whenever the tiny dog is outside, it barks. LikeÝy the past half year has been winter, so the dog has been inside most of the time. But now spring is approaching fast and I am already hearing the dog more and more often. We hear it when we are inside our house.

Wonder why some dogs do that? I know many other dogs that don't bark all the time.
I have a neighbor a couple houses down across the street that the dog barks from time to time for seemingly no reason.  If it's perfectly quiet in my house, I can hear it bark right through the wall, but fortunately, if the TV is on, or music is playing, or a fan/filter, it masks it completely.  I like dogs, just not the barking part.  I recall there was a study years ago to determine why dogs bark, and the conclusion was, "It's what they do."

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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2018, 12:47:34 PM »
I tried some bicycle camping touring (one of my dreams) but have a small dog I take with me and she hates it. Plus a huge hassle for me since I have nowhere safe to lock her inside even to go inside somewhere for a few minutes. So for now its the van but I bring my bike and do day rides with her so works good.

I put mine in a comfortable spot in a front rack so that she can see where she is going. She did not seem to like sitting behind me blocked by my body. I have a very compact backpack (fits in my pocket) and stuff her in when I go inside (like yesterday at the library). The only people that seem to see her are kids, as I hear them squeal when they finally spot her head sticking out!
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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2018, 01:37:41 PM »
Hello all,

I have just recently started learning about the FIRE community, and, as someone who is intrigued but intimidated by the commitment, I was wondering if those who are post-FIRE had an idea of what they wanted to do with their time/hobbies they wanted to dive into/places they wanted to visit before they retired early, or did your plans about what your retirement would look like start to form more when you were closer to achieving it or had already done so?

Thanks in advance, I'd be glad to hear from you!

I wanted to go home. 

I grew up in a tourist town in Michigan where there are few-to-none programming jobs.  Moved to Massachusetts at 25 to be with my boyfriend-now-husband.  Decided I'd have to save like mad if I ever wanted to move back to Michigan because there was no way I'd be able to find a job there.

We're on track to move back at 50.  Or so.  The original plan was 40 but a kid and some lifestyle inflation have moved the goalpost.  Can't move 'til she graduates high school (or did he say college?) and we like to travel (not a lot of flights into that part of Michigan).  But some day I want to go home for good.

Wouldn't coast-FI be a good option for you? Save till a certain % of your FI goal (let's say 75% or so), then move back and work a lower paying job/freelancing/distance working to cover bills while the money can grow to 100%?

Mathematically that makes perfect sense.  However my husband doesn't want to disrupt the little one's life by moving while she's in school.  In his view our options were before Kindergarten and after High School graduation.  We weren't close enough to goal in 2016.  We should be well over goal by 2029.

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« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2018, 09:52:05 AM »


We are also planning to sell our house at FIRE and then rent for an x amount of years and eventually probably buy a house again. I am wondering what we should do with the money that we get from our house. We will put 50% of the price of our house in the stock market, but we want to keep the 50% available for buying a new house after x number of years. We cannot tell now if x will turn out to be 1, 5, or even 10. I find the stock market a bit scary for a short term investment, in case x turns out to be 1 or 2. So I guess we will have to put it in bonds. But the return is only 2% or so.

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« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2018, 10:18:02 AM »
Most people we meet on the road travel with pets, some with multiple pets. We don't mainly due to allergies but we are in the minority for sure.
Now I'm imagining being in (or by) my RV and that a near-by RV has a dog barking.  Not a nice thought.  I'm one of those people that would not want to be hauling around a pet.  I'll wait until I'm ready to settle down permanently somewhere before I'll even consider getting another dog.
Did I ever mention my dog's name is The Barkinator?

"Listen, and understand. That Barkinator is out there. It canít be bargained with. It canít be reasoned with. It doesnít feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you give it snackies".

My neighbours also have a barkinator. Whenever the tiny dog is outside, it barks. LikeÝy the past half year has been winter, so the dog has been inside most of the time. But now spring is approaching fast and I am already hearing the dog more and more often. We hear it when we are inside our house.

Wonder why some dogs do that? I know many other dogs that don't bark all the time.
I have a neighbor a couple houses down across the street that the dog barks from time to time for seemingly no reason.  If it's perfectly quiet in my house, I can hear it bark right through the wall, but fortunately, if the TV is on, or music is playing, or a fan/filter, it masks it completely.  I like dogs, just not the barking part.  I recall there was a study years ago to determine why dogs bark, and the conclusion was, "It's what they do."

I think some breeds are more prone to barking than others. We have a lab, and she rarely barks. She is well trained though (thanks to my husband) and we have trained her not to just bark her head off all the time. I couldn't stand having a dog like that. I think dog training (or lack thereof) plays a part in how much a dog barks.

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« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2018, 08:25:09 PM »
I've already posted earlier in this thread re. our plans for FIRE.

But I see the conversation has shifted to dogs barking and I have some thoughts on that. I am a full time rv'er. We've suffered a bit of a set back (long story) so right now we are at my in-laws in a rural housing development. The lots here are 1/2 acre so it isn't like the houses are piled on top of each other.

Typical campgrounds such as Thousand Trails have strict dog rules as well as very strict driving speed rules. Here in suburbia there seem to be no dog rules and no one drives the speed limit.

It is crazy! Between the cars going up and down this dead end street at way over the speed limit and the dogs barking I am going nuts.

I cannot wait for the peace and quiet of the RV park. Never did I think I would be making this observation.

We don't have kids nor pets so our travels are pretty much unfettered. We will not be getting any pets until we decide to settle down in one location again and we are now safely past the kid phase of life.

Campgrounds are far quieter overall. They even have quiet hours which are "mostly" followed by everyone.

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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2018, 07:10:39 AM »
Three years in and still working it out!

The plan was always to move to Spain from the UK - that was done within two months, then we decided to move from inland to the coast so that took time to sort out. Now I find myself doing the things I knew I would love - long walks, reading, eating out, having a coffee out without going 'How much? That's put my retirement back by 1 hr 22 minutes'.

I'm not doing one of the things I thought I would - going out with a walking group - as they usually have 30-50 people going along and that's way to many for me.

I'm doing things I never thought I would - a LOT of exercise. Apart from walking that was not my thing at all but I'm really enjoying it.

I'm doing some of the other stuff I wanted - exploring Spain for instance - but not doing two to three week plus trips which I wanted - turns out I'm more of a home lover than I thought and can only live out of a suitcase for so long.

What I am doing which I didn't think I would is spending so much time on internet - so with that, I'm off!

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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2018, 08:21:08 AM »
My reason for FI is different than many others here.  I have medical issues exasperated by physical labor and stress.  I found out in college, that when I did not need the income to live, I was less stressed which meant I physically felt better.  So that was my goal.  And, we are almost there sort of.  We live on one salary.  It means having less luxuries that I want (so we are also investing for those) but it is possible.  I've been able to be on less meds and be in less pain overall now.  But life changes, so my goal is to get to needing neither income for basics. 

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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2018, 02:30:28 AM »
DH has been on sick leave for quite some time now. He cannot physically do much after a minor operation. But he has manages to fill his time with making a packraft boat and sewing a pair of neat trousers for me. And has a pile of other projects in mind. I am not worried for him to keep himself entertained after FIRE.

I have not had so much time off without being on holiday, so I cannot talk for myself.

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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2018, 08:26:35 AM »
I definitely recommend testing the waters before making any big or expensive purchases or irreversible lifestyle changes. I've tried a lot of different things (always starting with the cheapest and easiest, least hassle thing first) to see if its something I might want to do long term. For example if I found out I didn't like long term slow travel as much as I though I would because I missed the more settled life, I'd probably.be able to figure that out just as fast if I were tent camping or using motels and my old car as I would if I had a new shiny RV or camper van or sailboat.
In my case, there's a good chance of the irreversible lifestyle happening in any case, not just because of being retired, but because I'm also looking at a high likelihood of relocating during FIRE.  I don't particularly want to keep living where I am now, so unless I change my mind in the future, I'll be selling my house within the first year or so after FIRE.  I probably wouldn't buy an RV until I had a buyer.  One thing I liked about the RV idea was taking my time traveling around to see different areas I might be interested in relocating to.  And who knows, maybe I would find I actually like the RV life and would want to continue with that longer.  On the other hand, I don't need an RV to travel, and I could always change things up later on and switch to an RV if my experiences pushed me in that direction.  It does give me some anxiety thinking about not having a home to return to.
I sold my house last fall and have had quite a bit of anxiety about being "homeless with dog". My IBL (inner bag lady) screams at me fairly often ;-).. But that's abating now that I found its a bit easier to do short or long term rentals and know that I could buy again if I want to. Since I have been staying in one area for the winter a few months after I sold my house, and am moving on tomorrow.(but may end up back thete this summer as its a nice area and close to family and friends), my IBL might start screaming at me again.  However, like you, I'm mainly going places to check out areas I want to relocate so may end up getting another rental soon and just travel part time. 

ETA this was also the reason I didnt want to buy anything like an RV or camper van/truck. I wasn't sure If I'd like full timing with my dog (I don't) so just going with what I already had will make it easier to change things with zero extra expense or hassle. If I loved it I could always upgrade if I wanted.

Why don't you like full-timing with your dog? I ask because we're mulling over going full-time with a dog in an RV....

The #1 reason we went the RV route is because we have a dog and it's difficult to find AirBnBs and short term rentals with a dog. Without her, we 100% would have gone with a station wagon and a bike rack.
I think mainly its because I like to do a lot of outdoorsy things I can't take my dog along on and I'm not OK with leaving her alone in a vehicle all day (even an RV). Plus going places where dogs aren't allowed or only allowed in limited areas like in Nat Parks and state parks or just wanting to do non-doggie things like go to a museum or spend the day in a city or going inside buildings. Go out at night. Etc.

For example I went to Zion a couple of weeks ago to bike and hike, followed by a stop in Vegas for a couple of days and then a few days skiing in Cali. If I had the dog with me (sis was watching her) I wouldn't really have been able to do much other than sightsee. Sure there's always boarding but it's not always available close by and it can get pricey. And as a solo traveler this makes doing some things even more difficult.

So for me being that restricted on a full time 24/7 basis was too much. However this is probably just me and YMMV. Lots of people travel, and especially RV, with their dogs full time and love it. I like it but not full time.

ETA: I still plan to.do a long cross country trip with her but have learned that what works best for me is to stop somewhere for a fairly long while (month or so) and get a place near areas I want to explore and do various activities in. That way I can still do many doggie things but also have a lot of time to go do things I wouldn't be able to take her knowing she's safe and comfortable in a secure place.

I'm wrestling with this dilemma for my planned Retirement Road Trip next year.  Just got a new dog, and he's not all that suitable for backcountry travel in warm weather (125lb Bullmastiff). Current plan is to buy a used Toyota Sienna van, do some minor mods (bed, storage, etc), and travel cross country for 2-3 months. It would be easier on my wife -- who is not retiring and not going on this road trip with me -- if I took the Boy along. But I know it would be a pretty big logistical hassle, especially for those times when I want to go into the mountains/backcountry for multi-day adventures. Though I do plan to explore kenneling/daycare options for him too see if I can work it out. It would love to have him along if it wouldn't cramp my activities too much.

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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2018, 12:51:07 AM »
It sounds to me like getting a dog in retirement is very much limiting your activities. Maybe think twice before you get a dog?

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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2018, 04:03:22 AM »
It sounds to me like getting a dog in retirement is very much limiting your activities. Maybe think twice before you get a dog?

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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2018, 07:37:12 AM »
@dude in your case I think bringing the pup along will be hard since you'll probably be doing mostly back country hike-in climbing and that won't work with a dog (trust me I've tried ;-)). And if you are solo or with just one partner you can't leave them alone. I think if you will just be backpacking and doing some scrambling you'd be ok with the dog but at your skill level I don't think you'd be happy with just doing that. Plus you'll want to do a lot of other outdoor things that you can't do with the dog and will have to decide how you feel about leaving him alone in the van long term or staying close to a place you can board him at.  Since you have a younger and MUCH bigger dog you probably don't have to worry as much as I do about someonebstealing or something eating my little snack size dog ;-).

In any case you can try it out and decide then. Maybe a shorter local trip. See what works and what doesn't. In my case I'm still trying to figure it out. Might still continue on with my original dirt bagger plans but looking at different options. One is to live closer to my sister so she can watch the dog while I take shorter (one month) but more active outdoor trips. This might be a good option for you too.

Or I might end up taking her and just renting a place longer term in an area I love that has ALL the stuff I want to do near by so I can leave the pup safe at home and do more all day long things. That option probably won't work for you unless you have a VERY understanding wife - preferably one that isn't armed ;-). I have a rental place until the 30th in SoCal so only have a few days to decide what to do next. UGH decisions decisions.

ETA: One of the hardest things for me has been driving all the way to a Nat Park or State Park and not being able to take the dog on any trails or really anywhere except paved road scene campground. Its kind of mental anguish to be somewhere like the Grand Tetons and you can only look at things. Good thing is there is lots of boarding options but your big guy might not be welcome everywhere. But if he carries you stuff that might be a different story.

LOVE that picture!  For sure will have to test the waters with the Boy. Might be able to find suitable arrangements when necessary at rover.com -- we'll see.

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« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2018, 05:05:10 PM »
Current plan is to buy a used Toyota Sienna van, do some minor mods (bed, storage, etc), and travel cross country for 2-3 months.

I would like to know more about this.  You've got me checking used Sienna prices.
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« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2018, 09:57:37 AM »
National parks are not dog friendly at all because dogs make the wildlife angry. Particularly Bison get really worked up when they see a dog. Our poor dogs spent a week in RV or being walked around the campground. We took them in the car too but then couldn't do any trails.  Even if you have a small dog in a pack being carried they won't let you on a trail.

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« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2018, 06:15:15 PM »
National parks are not dog friendly at all because dogs make the wildlife angry. Particularly Bison get really worked up when they see a dog. Our poor dogs spent a week in RV or being walked around the campground. We took them in the car too but then couldn't do any trails.  Even if you have a small dog in a pack being carried they won't let you on a trail.

Go to a National Forest or BLM land instead.  Far fewer regulations about what you can and can't do.  Generally Fido is welcome, although there may be restrictions in campgrounds, visitor's centers, etc.
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« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2018, 07:55:02 AM »
@dude in your case I think bringing the pup along will be hard since you'll probably be doing mostly back country hike-in climbing and that won't work with a dog (trust me I've tried ;-)). And if you are solo or with just one partner you can't leave them alone. I think if you will just be backpacking and doing some scrambling you'd be ok with the dog but at your skill level I don't think you'd be happy with just doing that. Plus you'll want to do a lot of other outdoor things that you can't do with the dog and will have to decide how you feel about leaving him alone in the van long term or staying close to a place you can board him at.  Since you have a younger and MUCH bigger dog you probably don't have to worry as much as I do about someonebstealing or something eating my little snack size dog ;-).

In any case you can try it out and decide then. Maybe a shorter local trip. See what works and what doesn't. In my case I'm still trying to figure it out. Might still continue on with my original dirt bagger plans but looking at different options. One is to live closer to my sister so she can watch the dog while I take shorter (one month) but more active outdoor trips. This might be a good option for you too.

Or I might end up taking her and just renting a place longer term in an area I love that has ALL the stuff I want to do near by so I can leave the pup safe at home and do more all day long things. That option probably won't work for you unless you have a VERY understanding wife - preferably one that isn't armed ;-). I have a rental place until the 30th in SoCal so only have a few days to decide what to do next. UGH decisions decisions.

ETA: One of the hardest things for me has been driving all the way to a Nat Park or State Park and not being able to take the dog on any trails or really anywhere except paved road scene campground. Its kind of mental anguish to be somewhere like the Grand Tetons and you can only look at things. Good thing is there is lots of boarding options but your big guy might not be welcome everywhere. But if he carries you stuff that might be a different story.

LOVE that picture!  For sure will have to test the waters with the Boy. Might be able to find suitable arrangements when necessary at rover.com -- we'll see.
well there's always this route. I know you're super fit (seen the climbing videos!) but not sure even you could free solo climb while carrying a 150 dog in a pack ;-).

As long as I'm hijacking the thread with doggie talks, one other thing to consider if solo is getting injured or sick (you or your dog) and not having phone capabilities or anyway to get help. When I left last Aug first my truck broke down in the Sierras, then my dog got badly injured (found out later it was a torn CCL - doggie version of ACL), then she got very barfy and poopy from meds, then I got severe food poisoning (and was like my dog ;-)) in a remote area. And oh yeah, it was well over 100 degrees. Good times ;-). It all worked out but was pretty rough for a bit at the start. So stuff to think about if solo and far from home with your big guy.

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« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2018, 08:23:53 AM »
Wanted to pitch an idea to those who've already FIREd...

We don't fully know what we want to do or how we want to live post-FIRE, which will probably be early next year.  I'm debating buying a small "2nd home" in a beach community in NC.  Its a pleasant place/area to live from late April through October and could domicile my permanent address in NC, which is pretty critical for some health insurance reasons (they have nationwide plans available AND have the most important hospital system in network if they do away with the nationwide coverage). 

I have all these questions like:  Would we really enjoy full time travel?  Would we really be able to up and move as far away as Hawaii with our family on the east coast?  Will I get incredibly bored (hope not)?  Do we really like a big city or a quiet area?  Unknowns about family status and kids?

I'm targeting quitting the job at the end of February, would take a couple months to sell my existing home (will sell fast, all about maximizing value). I figure we can get 5-7 months at the beach, try "full-time" travel for another 5+ months, and have another season at the beach all to test out this FI and not working thing.  We'd probably have an endless turnstyle of visitors during the busy season.

If I just do the 20% down, 80% 30 year mortgage it doesn't seem like a huge outlay and I can always just vacation rental the thing at a small annual loss if the real estate market completely tanks in the area and I don't want the property anymore. 

$250,000 - $400,000 gets a nice place and its well within my housing budget for FI.

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« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2018, 06:57:06 AM »
Hey Chases fish, your thoughts and questions are similar to those going through my head.

I have been looking forward to long term slow travel for my whole life, but now on the verge of this becoming a reality I am questioning whether I will really find fullfillmemt in this. The reason for my change of desire stems from the fact that for the past 4 years I have been working as an expat far from home  and on top of that traveling a lot internationally for work. Maybe I have now had my travel fix. Maybe there is to much of a good thing. I really donít know.

DW is confident that once my travel is not hectic work travel, but slow recreational travel,  that my desire to explore the world will return. I am not so sure. These days I definitely look forward to seeing friends and family and spending time with friends and family  over seeing some random previously unvisited city.

Because I donít know where I want to live, how much travel I want to do and whether I will be bored, I am considering my FIRE from this December more of a sabbatical/ mini retirement for now.

If it morphs into permanent retirement, then great as we are financially ready. However, if I am bored and donít really want to travel so much, Iíll just get another job in the city where I grew up, close to friends and family, and delay moving to the beach for a bit whilst I reimagine my retirement.

I really hope that I will love a slow life after desiring it for so long. We shall see.

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« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2018, 07:04:56 AM »
We are planning to travel a lot (hiking trips and the like), but keeping a home base. If we travel a great part of the year, the home base could be a small, el cheapo, apartment. But just a place where you can store some of your personal stuff and can return to between trips.

We also plan to move out into the country to a more LCOL area. But we intend to rent first. We have seen some potentially good places to rent, close to the sea and a great view. Just not very central. I think we will buy something when we decide to like it.
But DH and I both have elderly parents. We risk having to move in with them sometime in the future when they are in times of needing help.

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« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2018, 08:29:05 AM »
Lol. A friend sent this to me.