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Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« on: June 14, 2018, 02:36:16 PM »
I've been thinking about moving to Mexico for quite some time. I recently made some new friends who just bought property and have plans to build already drawn up. Construction is supposed to take about a year. They already have family living there since 2014 and will have a place to stay while their property is being built as well as have some help with navigating everything. They have offered to help me too if I'm interested. I just thought I'd post here to find out if any of you have done it and pros/cons etc. I feel this community would understand some things differently than people I've just met.
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2018, 06:39:49 AM »
I'm curious, where in Mexico did your new friends buy?

I know San Miguel de Allende has a large expat retiree community. I've known of some folks who've retired to Cozumel (including the originator of the www.cozumelmycozumel.com website).

I love Mexico and have visited many times (but sadly, bailed on a trip to Zihuatenejo recently on account of the new State Dept. "do not travel" warning). I've thought about retiring there, but the more I think about it, the less I want to be pinned down to one place. I think spending 3-6 months renting in various locations around the globe would be more my speed.

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2018, 11:16:19 AM »
@dude They purchased in Chelem. It's right on the beach and a fishing village. It's about 40-45 minutes from Merida. Personally my research tells me I'd prefer to be near Merida, but I've never been so I'll of course need to spend enough time there before deciding. It's my understanding that crime is really not bad and overblown in the media just like here in the US. It seems that it would be really easy to live on $15K per year there. If I stay where I am in CA I'm looking at needing $50K. So it's quite tempting, plus if I sell my house in CA I'll gain $200K in equity to add to the stash.
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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2018, 01:35:39 PM »
Anyone raised their kids in Mexico? How is the school system there, for expats?

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2018, 02:38:22 PM »
I've definitely considered it, especially before I felt like we had enough to FIRE in the US. We homeschool our kids so the schools aren't an issue. I speak Spanish and my wife is really good at languages so the language isn't an issue.

When we were last in Puerto Vallarta I was seriously thinking that we wouldn't return, though I gather that's a normal response to vacation.

I'm about 2/3 of a year into FIRE and I'm happy in the inexpensive midwestern town that I've moved to. The interesting thing about vacation is that you end up holding off the various responsibilities that an adult in the modern western world needs to do, besides work, and during FIRE you still have that stuff.

All that said, I don't have a problem with it. And I'm very open to doing it. There are some good books about the process, some of the more fun ones are about this guy who moved to Puerto Vallarta decades ago and had a time at it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2018, 03:04:11 PM »
Anyone raised their kids in Mexico? How is the school system there, for expats?

The majority of middle class Mexicans send their kids to private school, so most towns will have a lot of choice

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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2018, 03:05:15 PM »
@seattleite I'm 3 years away from FIRE now, but seriously had been considering doing it anyway at least for a few years to let the stash grow. Like Dude I've always planned to do lots of travel in retirement, but CA is really expensive. I feel in many ways like Mexico would be a better alternative, but I would definitely need someone taking care of my place their while I'm away. I would also need that here too though. I figure it's much cheaper to make my home base in Mexico. I could always make sure to have enough money to return to the US if I wanted. I mean if FIRE is 1/3 of what I was expecting I should be able to have enough.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2018, 03:06:10 PM »
Anyone raised their kids in Mexico? How is the school system there, for expats?

The majority of middle class Mexicans send their kids to private school, so most towns will have a lot of choice
@ixtap Do you have first hand experience around Mexico that you could share?
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2018, 03:58:50 PM »
SO's parents have sorta retired in San Miguel (they also have a house in the states). Not a lot of outdoor activities but it is a cool town/city to just hang around. Most of the expats are 60+ years old.

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2018, 04:47:40 PM »
The interesting thing about vacation is that you end up holding off the various responsibilities that an adult in the modern western world needs to do, besides work, and during FIRE you still have that stuff.

Good point, I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere. Before a vacation, I always plan ahead to finish stuff up (e.g. bills, laundry, cleaning, shopping, planning, fixing things, etc.) so that I can focus 100% on enjoying the vacation so of course it feels good but it's not necessarily sustainable even in FIRE. I guess I could do the same at home and set up some weeks in advance where I'll only be enjoying, no worrying allowed.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2018, 05:10:29 PM »
Anyone raised their kids in Mexico? How is the school system there, for expats?

No direct experience.  However, it appears that the millionaire educator and his wife are happy with living there and they have a young child.  Since they are both teachers, that may be a good sign. 

http://www.millionaireeducator.com/blog


P.S. They are in Merida which was mentioned up-thread.
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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2018, 06:56:53 PM »
Anyone raised their kids in Mexico? How is the school system there, for expats?

The majority of middle class Mexicans send their kids to private school, so most towns will have a lot of choice
@ixtap Do you have first hand experience around Mexico that you could share?

Well, the Ixta part of my username does come from the nickname of a Mexican volcano...

I have lived in the states of Veracruz, Puebla, Jalisco and Mexico City.  I have never lived near any of the expat communities nor spent much time at the beaches of any coast.

In general, living abroad seems to be a love it or hate it thing, with no way of knowing which it is for you until you try. I have not noticed it to be any easier for couples, but not any harder, either.

If you are renting, unfurnished usually means not even a kitchen, while furnished will often include the pots and pans.

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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2018, 09:31:09 AM »
We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and planning to spend the first few years of FIRE in Mexico to let our money grow and if we liked it buy a place down there.

However over the last few years especially the last year the violence has increased to a level that I am not sure if I would feel comfortable buying and if we do go we will just rent as it is less risk if things continue to escalate.

Some say that the Media is blowing stuff out of proportion but the reality is that the violence used to stay out of tourist / expat areas but now shootings / robberies are taking place right on the beach in front of tourists and even a ferry that carries a bunch of tourists being bombed so while they are not targeting tourists you still have a chance of getting caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We have a few more years to see what happens but I have started to switch to thinking about traveling for 3-6 months at a time to experience different countries / locations that are low cost but safer.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2018, 09:42:43 AM »

The media only picks up on a small sampling of what happens in Mexico.  It's actually worse than you would be led to believe.

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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2018, 09:09:42 AM »
@ixtap Out of your list I've only been to Jalisco and I liked it there fine, but I like Nayarit a little bit better, but probably only because I tend to not like big cities. Thank you for the info!

@katsiki Thank you for the link to the blog, did some reading there yesterday.

@the_fixer That was exactly what I was thinking in the early part of my original FIRE. Where do you usually visit? Agree about the wrong place wrong time scenario, but statistically it's my understanding that it's no worse and possibly even slightly better than the US. Of course it also depends on location too.

@DreamFIRE What do you mean it's worse? What evidence do you have? Where is it worse? I'd like the data to conduct research.

Thank you all, for all the great responses. Hopefully we'll hear from more people that have actually done it and can speak from experience.
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2018, 11:07:33 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2018, 12:39:06 PM »
Thanks for starting the conversation! I'm interested in this option as well, and will be in Mexico for a month next year (mostly Oaxaca); I'd like to learn more about health care costs for folks with a chronic condition. Health care/cost of insurance is our major barrier to ER.

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2018, 04:01:43 PM »
Mostly Yucatan been going since 1997 from Playa to Punta Allen as well as Cozumel, we like to dive so location to the Cenotes and reefs are key for us.

Really bummed, earned my companion pass so we could make some quick dive trips this year and next but that is on hold and trying to find new places to go.


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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2018, 05:03:02 PM »
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What do you mean it's worse? What evidence do you have? Where is it worse? I'd like the data to conduct research.

I have a good friend that lives in Mexico City.  When I talking about living in Mexico, although not really seriously, she didn't think it would be safe for me.  She knows more about it than we do.  And you can do your own research online.  Just be leary of individual anecdotes.  Surely, some places are safer than others.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2018, 07:00:45 AM »
I've lived in Mexico City in 2007-2008. I have visited Chihuahua regularly (it's where my wife is from) and I'm about to take a road trip there on Tuesday for two weeks. I've stayed in Zihuatanejo for a max stay of two months. I have also just returned from 5 weeks in Merida and the Yucatan. I have visited many other parts of Mexico from Morelos to Veracruz.

I also speak fluent Spanish.

I have also put my kids in private schools in Merida and Zihuatanajo.

Personally, I think Mexico is great and I would definitely consider visiting/living there to drasticaly reduce costs. When I take my family of 5, we go see the best dentist in town, photographer, I buy suits and anything else we can. It can pay for the cost of the trip!

You can get caught in random violence anywhere. The murder rate in my city is higher than many places in Mexico. It is all about perspective. You know, this year I visited Merida instead of Zihua due to violence, but I wouldn't miss out on an entire country. Mexico City, for example, is so big and diverse it would be a major mistake to generalize anything. Specific parts of the city might be dangerous, but others are very safe and awesome. That is just like any major American city, btw.

As for schools, private schools are so cheap. We don't generalize about the "school system in Mexico." We look for a specific school with specific people that give us a good vibe. You can tell when there are happy, healthy teachers and children at a school. Once you are there, look for a good school just like you would in your home town.

Personally, I think buying in Mexico is probably not the way to go but, of course, it depends on your plans. I would look at Air BnB or long term rentals in any place you want to live (through a real estate agent). Just like everything else, you can rent a place for a lot less than the US. If you buy a place then it is worth while to hide your foreign identity so you don't get charged foreign prices. I'd rent until you have a trustworthy friend or hire a Mexican attorney to be a middle man. It'll save you money.

If you stay in expat communities like Zihua or San Miguel de Allende the prices on everything will be higher. Also, in Zihua, at least, there is a lot of competition for good rentals from the older crown who book way in advance and very little for families. But, it is still an awesome place!

I don't ignore bad news, but I also don't let fear control our decisions. I'd suggest you think about the distinction and find what works for you.


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Re: Anyone FIRE and movbarrier to Ere to Mexico?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2018, 08:57:31 AM »
Thanks for starting the conversation! I'm interested in this option as well, and will be in Mexico for a month next year (mostly Oaxaca); I'd like to learn more about health care costs for folks with a chronic condition. Health care/cost of insurance is our major barrier to ER.
The new friends I just made that have the family already in Chelem said that they are paying $1700/yr USD for healthcare. That was supposed to be for the private higher end plan with low deductibles. They are in their 50's and I don't know about any chronic conditions. I suppose it would probably depend on the condition and treatment costs in the area you go.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2018, 09:17:20 AM »
@the_fixer Thanks for the pictures, very nice touch!

@DreamFIRE  I have a cousin that's married to a woman from Mexico City, in fact they are there right now visiting her family. I have only met this cousin once since my biological father always denied paternity. I've been on Ancestry for quite some time and at the beginning of the year one of my cousins got tested and showed as a first cousin match so I've just been in touch with them. I know there is more crime in Mexico City, but it's also a really big city so it makes sense more crime. The new friends told a story about Chelem where the biggest crime they had was a dispute between ice cream vendors about territory. They awoke to arguing and scoops of ice cream flying. Then the rain came and it smelled like mango and coconut for a week.

@FIREby35  Thank you for all of the great information! The reason I'm considering buying over renting is specific wants/needs. I will likely end up having my family and my wife's family follow us. We already support my mom and my Father in Law lives with us. We have other friends that want to move there with us too. So my thought is to buy land near each other and share some resources to save money. I don't want to go in together, that seems like a great way to ruin a friendship. We've lived across the street from these neighbors/friends for 10 years and we already have fun traveling together so I think it's pretty safe to buy near each other again. If a rental fits the bill that would be fine too, I just think I'd prefer to build exactly what I want. The family of the new friends are also getting into real estate and know many of the locals which should be helpful for us to find what we want. For now we need to get there and check it out.

Hopefully others that have lived in Mexico can chime in on pros/cons and provide more helpful hints.
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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2018, 04:42:11 PM »
We are not there quite yet but my wife and I plan to retire to Mexico in approximately 11 months. We own a house in a large expat area, the Lake Chapala area in the state of Jalisco for those that are interested. We love the area, great weather, friendly people, and a relative low cost of living.

We had planned to live outside of the U.S. in early retirement partly for the adventure of it and partly to allow our stash to grow with the LCOL. While I've not lived there full time yet these are the things I have learned so far about living in Mexico successfully:

1)  Don't just go for the LCOL, If you are only going because it is cheap you are not going to be happy. Mexico is not the U.S. you are not going to be able to make it the U.S., you have to be able to embrace that it is a different country and culture.
   Don't get me wrong there are things that make me shake my head when I visit, but you for your own happiness you just need to accept and move on.

2) You need a sense of humor, things will go wrong, hilariously spectacularly wrong for you in Mexico you will need to just laugh it off.

3) Do not get caught up in worrying if you are getting charged more for something because you are a gringo. Americans have a deeply ingrained "fairness in pricing" belief. I'm not saying you can't be a bargain hunter or get quotes for expensive services but worrying if you paid 25 pesos for something and your Mexican neighbor got for 15 pesos. That is literally 50 cents U.S. life is too short and my stash is too robust to worry about 50 cents.

4) You will need to learn some Spanish. Even in the area that we are in with it's large expat community having a working grasp on Spanish will be very helpful, you can possibly get by without it, but I think you will miss out on a lot of what Mexico has to offer if you don't learn at least some.

5) Having good problem solving skills is a bonus. You may not always be able to get everything you need so being able to come up with a viable work-around may be the best you can do.

6) The pace of life can be a bit slower. Manana does not mean tomorrow it just means not today. If you are used to having everything get done on a strict timetable that just won't jive with Mexico.
 
For those with health issues. To the best of my knowledge you can find private health coverage even with preexisting conditions, but it may either be 1) more expensive than the insurance would be otherwise, or 2) they may exclude the condition from the coverage. It may take some leg work to find a policy that will work for you. Our plan is to have insurance for catastrophic things, but for our general day to day we will pay out of pocket. Typically visiting a doctor in Mexico is cheaper than my co-pay in the U.S.

For the area we are in there is some crime, mostly petty theft or break-ins, so you take the obvious precautions with locks and other things that make your house less of a target for criminals. For the most part I typically feel safer in my area of Mexico than I do in many areas of the U.S.     

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2018, 05:21:47 PM »
We are not there quite yet but my wife and I plan to retire to Mexico in approximately 11 months. We own a house in a large expat area, the Lake Chapala area in the state of Jalisco for those that are interested. We love the area, great weather, friendly people, and a relative low cost of living.

We had planned to live outside of the U.S. in early retirement partly for the adventure of it and partly to allow our stash to grow with the LCOL. While I've not lived there full time yet these are the things I have learned so far about living in Mexico successfully:

1)  Don't just go for the LCOL, If you are only going because it is cheap you are not going to be happy. Mexico is not the U.S. you are not going to be able to make it the U.S., you have to be able to embrace that it is a different country and culture.
   Don't get me wrong there are things that make me shake my head when I visit, but you for your own happiness you just need to accept and move on.

2) You need a sense of humor, things will go wrong, hilariously spectacularly wrong for you in Mexico you will need to just laugh it off.

3) Do not get caught up in worrying if you are getting charged more for something because you are a gringo. Americans have a deeply ingrained "fairness in pricing" belief. I'm not saying you can't be a bargain hunter or get quotes for expensive services but worrying if you paid 25 pesos for something and your Mexican neighbor got for 15 pesos. That is literally 50 cents U.S. life is too short and my stash is too robust to worry about 50 cents.

4) You will need to learn some Spanish. Even in the area that we are in with it's large expat community having a working grasp on Spanish will be very helpful, you can possibly get by without it, but I think you will miss out on a lot of what Mexico has to offer if you don't learn at least some.

5) Having good problem solving skills is a bonus. You may not always be able to get everything you need so being able to come up with a viable work-around may be the best you can do.

6) The pace of life can be a bit slower. Manana does not mean tomorrow it just means not today. If you are used to having everything get done on a strict timetable that just won't jive with Mexico.
 
For those with health issues. To the best of my knowledge you can find private health coverage even with preexisting conditions, but it may either be 1) more expensive than the insurance would be otherwise, or 2) they may exclude the condition from the coverage. It may take some leg work to find a policy that will work for you. Our plan is to have insurance for catastrophic things, but for our general day to day we will pay out of pocket. Typically visiting a doctor in Mexico is cheaper than my co-pay in the U.S.

For the area we are in there is some crime, mostly petty theft or break-ins, so you take the obvious precautions with locks and other things that make your house less of a target for criminals. For the most part I typically feel safer in my area of Mexico than I do in many areas of the U.S.   
Glad to hear that you already own a house there. The places I've been in Mexico have all been very friendly and not just tourist areas, I like to go off the beaten path.
1. Personally I would not go there just for LCOL, to me it's that combined with the fact that the area I'm looking in is about equal for crime and natural disasters as where I'm living now and maybe even better.
2. Yes, I've had to have a sense of humor. Last time I was there I rented a mini van since there were a few of us and we wanted plenty of luggage space. We were out in the middle of nowhere when the vehicle suddenly died. I popped the hood to find the battery completely disconnected and the batter keeper up on the firewall. Apparently someone at the rental place replaced the battery, but never finished the job. I go lucky that there were some construction worker in their truck nearby that allowed me to use their tools to fix it. I gave them $100 pesos and they were thrilled, in fact they didn't want to take the money, but I insisted.
3. Agree on this and was told exactly the same from the friends of friends already there. I've heard quotes are usually very fair and not to haggle.
4. Agree with this too. I use Duolingo on my phone to learn Spanish now and I've heard that it's good to use a translator on your phone.
5. I think this applies going to any new place.
6. The pace is one of the things I'm looking forward to. I'm sure it will be a bit of adjustment, but definitely ready to get out of the fast pace and get in touch with nature more.
I think I might also just opt for catastrophic coverage, but I will do my homework first for sure.

@6-Saturdays Can you tell me about your purchase experience? Did you establish residency or setup a trust? Curious to hear more about those types of options too. TIA!
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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2018, 09:13:53 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

This may help put the crime in perspective.

Note that the COL varies enormously across the U.S. - except for healthcare - and in many places it is possible to approximate Mexican-level expenses for things like housing, transportation, food, and basic entertainment/hobbies. IMO healthcare is THE reason to leave the states.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2018, 10:54:59 AM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

This may help put the crime in perspective.

Note that the COL varies enormously across the U.S. - except for healthcare - and in many places it is possible to approximate Mexican-level expenses for things like housing, transportation, food, and basic entertainment/hobbies. IMO healthcare is THE reason to leave the states.
Totally agree with you about healthcare! I was just having a chat about this with my doctor this morning.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2018, 11:00:18 AM »
You know, this year I visited Merida instead of Zihua due to violence, but I wouldn't miss out on an entire country.

Yeah, we bailed on Zihua this year, too (just last month). Had already paid for flights and hotel, but decided it wasn't worth the risk this year sadly (we were there in June last year and traveled all around the area without any problems). If we'd just planned to stay in Zihua, we'd have still gone, but our days there consist of driving from Zihua out to Playa Saladita (to surf) and back.

Went to Panama instead, which was great, but not cheap at all -- essentially, it costs the same as the States.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2018, 02:39:21 PM »
What's wrong with travel to Zihuatanejo?  I mean, I know there's a whole Guerrero state warning, but I assumed that was for Acapulco.  Is anything actually happening in Zihua?
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2018, 08:32:15 AM »
When we were there two years ago there were two shootings in town where they basically chased each other through town. It was not violence against tourists, but it was around town where tourists are. I think it has continued. That is two shootings in two months and none was really close to us. In my home town you hear about more shootings than that but, you know, it did happen.

I work with a lot of immigrants and aslyum seekers from Guerrero specifically (I'm an immigration attorney).

So, I'm not trying to act like Zihua is irredeemably dangerous, I just thought it better to explore another part of Mexico.

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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2018, 11:41:30 AM »
What's wrong with travel to Zihuatanejo?  I mean, I know there's a whole Guerrero state warning, but I assumed that was for Acapulco.  Is anything actually happening in Zihua?

yeah, in April drug gangs ambushed and executed 6 cops on the street.  Now, this was supposedly outside of the Zihua city area proper, but it was reportedly revenge for an incident that happened in the city where cops killed several gang members in a shoot out. You can follow what's going on down there at www.borderlandbeat.com -- there's some scary shit happening in parts of Mexico.

The drive from Zihua to Playa Saladita is on the main highway, and once past Ixtapa, there ain't shit out there on that highway until you get to the very small village where you turn towards the beach (and drive @5 miles down a rural road through mango and coconut groves). So you're kind of a sitting duck on that highway. Granted, there hasn't been any tourist-related violence in that area, and Canada's travel warning excludes Zihua/Ixtapa, but out of an abundance of caution and not wanting to subject my wife to the anxiety of making that daily drive to and from, we decided to bail until things improve.

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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2018, 11:51:26 AM »
Here was the particular story that, along with the U.S. State Dept.'s elevated travel warning to "Level 4 - Do Not Travel" throughout the entire state of Guerrero made us decide to put our visit off:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/04/6-police-in-guerrero-were-given-coup-de.html 

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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2018, 02:52:52 PM »
Here is a blog of a couple who early retired to Quintana Roo in 2016.  He is retired law enforcement from Florida and I enjoy his take on crime, budget, healthcare and more in the area they live in.  They are just a bit south of Playa del Carmen.

http://qroo.us/about-us/

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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2018, 09:06:06 PM »
Thanks @WannaGoOutside! That blog has the most straightforward info I've seen so far on medical care costs.

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Re: Anyone FIRE and move to Mexico?
« Reply #33 on: Today at 11:03:11 AM »
Here is a blog of a couple who early retired to Quintana Roo in 2016.  He is retired law enforcement from Florida and I enjoy his take on crime, budget, healthcare and more in the area they live in.  They are just a bit south of Playa del Carmen.

http://qroo.us/about-us/

THANKS for the link!
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