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Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« on: July 12, 2018, 07:47:40 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-seen-video-harassing-woman-puerto-rico-shirt-charged-hate-n891051

I'm sure most everyone here has seen or heard of the drunken idiot in Chicago who harrased and questioned a woman about her citizenship for wearing a Puerto Rico shirt at a local park.

As a Puertorican living in the States, I'm not surprised by his idiocracy in not knowing Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and that we have had full citizenship since 1917. I've been asked plenty of times if I have a green card (Not recently, although I'm waiting for it). I have been asked if Puerto Rico is a communist country like Cuba. I've been asked if we eat tacos. Like, wtf? Yeah we eat tacos, wtf kind of a question is that?

Anyways, I'm not upset with the drunken idiot as much as I'm with the - please excuse my French - fucking, piece of shit "peace officer" who decided to walk away from the woman after she asked for his help while saying she felt scared of the situation. The asshole literally turned his back on her and walked away. Fuck him!

Now he has resigned, but that's a bullshit exit for an asshole who saw a woman asking for his help while being harrased, and decided not to intervene. Now, I absolutely hate to go there buuuut fuck it, does anyone think he would have let a black/brown drunk idiot harass a white female and not done anything like he did in this situation? I'm sure he would had jumped in guns blazing.  To me, the cop is as much a bigot as the idiot drunk guy.

I'm just venting here. Sorry for the outburst. It's just extremely annoying.

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2018, 08:02:04 PM »
I've been asked if we eat tacos. Like, wtf? Yeah we eat tacos, wtf kind of a question is that?

I think that question is legit, it just shows interest. Depending on context of course

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2018, 08:16:42 PM »
I've been asked if we eat tacos. Like, wtf? Yeah we eat tacos, wtf kind of a question is that?

I think that question is legit, it just shows interest. Depending on context of course


Context was always the same, you're brown so you MUST eat tacos. So not really a question of interest but more a comment of ignorance.

Actually to be honest, Puertoricans don't eat that many tacos. I mean, we have taco places but it's not a staple of our cuisine.

Now I want a taco ;)


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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2018, 08:26:24 PM »
Who doesn't eat tacos?

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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2018, 08:33:08 PM »
Who doesn't eat tacos?

That was my first thought. Maybe that's the best way to respond, "Ya, I eat tacos. Don't you? They're delicious."

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2018, 12:12:04 AM »
About two years ago I relocated to PR from the West Coast.

First off, I can say without reservation that PR is the best kept secret in the USA. I've met dozens of US educated Puerto Ricans who came back to PR after graduation, are happy to be here and have no desire to relocate to the USA.

It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.

As for tacos: the shells are made from corn, not much of which is grown on any of Caribbean islands. Small mountainous islands can't really compete with southern Mexico or Iowa in the corn growing category. So, not too many tacos eaten in the Caribbean, or anywhere south of Mexico for that matter, but that's another story.

What PR and other Caribbean islands do have a lot of is plantains. So, they eat a lot of them in all forms and fashions. Think of potatos for the tropics.

It's just that tacos are easier, faster, and taster than mofongo, imho, and there are lot more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans in the USA. So, everyone associates that with latino culture, I guess.

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2018, 12:25:20 AM »
Looks like he's being charged with a hate crime and possible prison time, and he didn't even touch her, just spoke to her like he was drunk.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2018, 03:55:01 AM »
About two years ago I relocated to PR from the West Coast.

First off, I can say without reservation that PR is the best kept secret in the USA. I've met dozens of US educated Puerto Ricans who came back to PR after graduation, are happy to be here and have no desire to relocate to the USA.

It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.

If you have the monetary means PR can be a great place to live.

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2018, 03:59:36 AM »
Looks like he's being charged with a hate crime and possible prison time, and he didn't even touch her, just spoke to her like he was drunk.

I think both charges are an overaction which take the blame away from the police officer and makes the drunk guy the scape goat.

Yeah, he was drunk and stupid, but the whole situation could had been prevented, or not have escalated to this point, had the pos officer done his duty instead of walking away.

I don't think the guy should be charged with an actual hate crime, that's too much. Public intoxication and disorderly conduct would suffice.

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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 07:46:55 AM »
Looks like he's being charged with a hate crime and possible prison time, and he didn't even touch her, just spoke to her like he was drunk.

I think both charges are an overaction which take the blame away from the police officer and makes the drunk guy the scape goat.

Yeah, he was drunk and stupid, but the whole situation could had been prevented, or not have escalated to this point, had the pos officer done his duty instead of walking away.

I don't think the guy should be charged with an actual hate crime, that's too much. Public intoxication and disorderly conduct would suffice.

Totally agree. The harasser was a garden-variety belligerent drunk moron. Whereas, the officer is a complete disgrace.

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2018, 07:58:10 AM »
About two years ago I relocated to PR from the West Coast.

First off, I can say without reservation that PR is the best kept secret in the USA. I've met dozens of US educated Puerto Ricans who came back to PR after graduation, are happy to be here and have no desire to relocate to the USA.

It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.

If you have the monetary means PR can be a great place to live.

Yea, going to be interesting to see what happens going forward as people admit they can't pay their debts.  If it wasn't a U.S. commonwealth, I assume there are other caribean countries who have defaulted that you could look at how it went down (certainly there are south american countries to look at, but I assume it's a little easier to just default when you are not an island country and rely less on trade for basic necessities). 

Really need to pass a bankruptcy law that allows states and commonwealths to declare bankruptcy.  Sucks for bondholders, but I'm not sure how much sympathy they deserve since they are basically counting on confiscatory taxes to get paid back.  Sucks more for pensioners.  For ones not participating in social securithy would probably need a program assuring them at least some minimum social security benefits. 
« Last Edit: July 13, 2018, 08:00:17 AM by Jrr85 »

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2018, 09:13:48 AM »
About two years ago I relocated to PR from the West Coast.

First off, I can say without reservation that PR is the best kept secret in the USA. I've met dozens of US educated Puerto Ricans who came back to PR after graduation, are happy to be here and have no desire to relocate to the USA.

It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.

If you have the monetary means PR can be a great place to live.

Yea, going to be interesting to see what happens going forward as people admit they can't pay their debts.  If it wasn't a U.S. commonwealth, I assume there are other caribean countries who have defaulted that you could look at how it went down (certainly there are south american countries to look at, but I assume it's a little easier to just default when you are not an island country and rely less on trade for basic necessities). 

Really need to pass a bankruptcy law that allows states and commonwealths to declare bankruptcy.  Sucks for bondholders, but I'm not sure how much sympathy they deserve since they are basically counting on confiscatory taxes to get paid back.  Sucks more for pensioners.  For ones not participating in social securithy would probably need a program assuring them at least some minimum social security benefits.
It'll also be equally interesting going forward as lenders admit they have no idea what they are doing. Why don't they do their due diligence? Why do they keep lending to people who can't pay it back? How much money do they put in their pocket by making the loans?

I think that allowing a state to declare bankruptcy is a recipe for bad government, mismanagement and corruption. States always have the ability to tax their citizens, so there is no reason for them to ever go bankrupt.

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2018, 12:12:23 PM »
About two years ago I relocated to PR from the West Coast.

First off, I can say without reservation that PR is the best kept secret in the USA. I've met dozens of US educated Puerto Ricans who came back to PR after graduation, are happy to be here and have no desire to relocate to the USA.

It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.

If you have the monetary means PR can be a great place to live.

Yea, going to be interesting to see what happens going forward as people admit they can't pay their debts.  If it wasn't a U.S. commonwealth, I assume there are other caribean countries who have defaulted that you could look at how it went down (certainly there are south american countries to look at, but I assume it's a little easier to just default when you are not an island country and rely less on trade for basic necessities). 

Really need to pass a bankruptcy law that allows states and commonwealths to declare bankruptcy.  Sucks for bondholders, but I'm not sure how much sympathy they deserve since they are basically counting on confiscatory taxes to get paid back.  Sucks more for pensioners.  For ones not participating in social securithy would probably need a program assuring them at least some minimum social security benefits.
It'll also be equally interesting going forward as lenders admit they have no idea what they are doing. Why don't they do their due diligence? Why do they keep lending to people who can't pay it back? How much money do they put in their pocket by making the loans?
  Mainly because they think they will get a bailout.  I mean, some people are lending for high short term rates with the intention/hope of unloading it to somebody more optimistic about a bailout, but it's the bailout basically driving the demand.  Also, remember that generally they're looking at haircuts, not total losses.   

I think that allowing a state to declare bankruptcy is a recipe for bad government, mismanagement and corruption. States always have the ability to tax their citizens, so there is no reason for them to ever go bankrupt.

I think you've got it backwards.  Not being able to declare bankruptcy is the recipe for bad government, mismanagement and corruption, because lenders let them do stupid things on the assumption that they will either get bailed out or impose confiscatory tax rates.  But even if it does, that's mainly a problem for the creditors, not the taxpayers. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2018, 12:29:03 PM »
People are dumb.  There was a story a while back about someone confused about a citizen of New Mexico getting a US passport.  The confused person was involved with giving out US passports.  Maybe they should test for knowledge of 50 states, territories, etc.  Amazing!

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2018, 07:55:52 PM »
People are dumb.  There was a story a while back about someone confused about a citizen of New Mexico getting a US passport.  The confused person was involved with giving out US passports.  Maybe they should test for knowledge of 50 states, territories, etc.  Amazing!

There's a reason New Mexico license plates all say "New Mexico USA." :-/

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 08:20:42 PM »
The officer for sure was a tool and should have acted differently most likely. However, if I was there and saw a person saying what I heard her say, my first repsonse would be 'if you are that uncomfortable, put your f'in phone down and take up a defensive posture.' She wasn't taking physical action that told me she was actually concerned.

More on the subject of the OP, I went to grade school on the west coast and don't remember learning much about PR and the standing of the people there. For those of you who were educated in the east or south, do you recall much in the curriculum? I'd flunk any test I think that had anything but the most basic of questions.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2018, 08:32:45 PM »
It's a wonderful place and I don't know why people think Hawaii is such a great place.
People on the West Coast go to Hawaii, people on the East Coast go to Puerto Rico. About a decade ago, I got a screaming deal on airfare from San Francisco to San Juan. I went with a girlfriend from Columbia, whose sister used to live there. We were loaned a home and a condo to use during our stay. We had an absolutely fabulous time. Our fellow US Citizens were warm, friendly and helpful. There is so much to see and do that every day was fun and different. It pains me to the core to see how the current administration has botched the relief effort. It's a crying shame and should be a national embarassment. Had the same storm wreaked havoc in HI, you know the results would have been different.

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2018, 08:58:45 PM »
Newsflash, many Americans are uninformed about the geography and government of their own country. Alaska and Hawaii have to repeatedly inform tourists that no passport is necessary to visit.

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2018, 09:57:29 PM »
Full video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=GVdePfxlRKc

Wow, 1:50 before someone steps in and it's not the cop.

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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2018, 11:05:46 PM »
Time for independence.

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2018, 06:31:03 AM »
Time for independence.

They are a Commonwealth, would they prefer to be a Canadian Territory?  They are a bit warmer than Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.  Once they get used to the switch from American to Canadian forms of government they could easily become a province, they have more people than Prince Edward Island does.

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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2018, 11:00:33 AM »
Time for independence.

They are a Commonwealth, would they prefer to be a Canadian Territory?  They are a bit warmer than Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.  Once they get used to the switch from American to Canadian forms of government they could easily become a province, they have more people than Prince Edward Island does.

I like the idea of making the UK a province of Canada. Then they would immediately have NAFTA status and can reorient their economy away from Europe and the EU.

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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2018, 11:04:47 AM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2018, 11:30:44 AM »
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if I was there and saw a person saying what I heard her say, my first repsonse would be 'if you are that uncomfortable, put your f'in phone down and take up a defensive posture.' She wasn't taking physical action that told me she was actually concerned.

She was taking physical action that told us she was concerned. She was using her body to facilitate videotaping of the event, which is all vulnerable people have now. Had things escalated, her account would have been dismissed otherwise. Had she put her phone down to take a defensive posture, the cop likely would have arrested her...and she’d have had no documentation of how things played out. 

i.e., A defensive posture may or may not protect a vulnerable person physically. Video documentation is all that can provide proof so that she and everyone else is protected from aggressive asshats after that moment.

She was also backing away.
She was also using her voice to make clear, repeated statements that she wanted him to stop.
She was also using her voice to ask a policeperson to help.

These are all physical actions.

She handled herself amazingly and did all the right things. I’m blown away at how steady she remained.

The person who did choose to step in freakin’ rocks. Way to go, Person!!!!

The jerk’s harrassment was unacceptable regardless of who’s a citizen of what.

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2018, 11:41:36 AM »
Yea, going to be interesting to see what happens going forward as people admit they can't pay their debts.  If it wasn't a U.S. commonwealth, I assume there are other caribean countries who have defaulted that you could look at how it went down (certainly there are south american countries to look at, but I assume it's a little easier to just default when you are not an island country and rely less on trade for basic necessities). 

Really need to pass a bankruptcy law that allows states and commonwealths to declare bankruptcy.  Sucks for bondholders, but I'm not sure how much sympathy they deserve since they are basically counting on confiscatory taxes to get paid back.  Sucks more for pensioners. 

"Since 2010, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, St Kitts and Nevis, Grenada and Jamaica (twice) have had to default and restructure their debts."

I agree with you about the last paragraph. If there was a clear way for government organizations to declare bankruptcy, bond holders investors would probably do a better job of turning off the tap once it became clear they were lending money that could never be paid bad, absent a bail out of confiscatory tax levels.*

*And the problem with the latter is that people can always leave if services are cut too much and taxes raised too high. I've started to wonder whether this might happen to some of the more extremely under water cities/town in California that are having to shut down more and more of their current services just to may for extremely large pension plans. As a certain point wouldn't it make sense to just go build a new town five miles down the road?

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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2018, 12:03:22 PM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Naw, if we were doing that Vancouver Island would already have sunk.  We would just be able to have a Caribbean vacation in a place that uses Canadian dollars.  Puerto Rico could set up PRHIP  (Puerto Rico Health Insurance Plan) just like OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).  And their kids could attend Colleges and Universities without going broke/having ridiculous student loans.

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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2018, 12:58:22 PM »
The officer for sure was a tool and should have acted differently most likely. However, if I was there and saw a person saying what I heard her say, my first repsonse would be 'if you are that uncomfortable, put your f'in phone down and take up a defensive posture.' She wasn't taking physical action that told me she was actually concerned.

More on the subject of the OP, I went to grade school on the west coast and don't remember learning much about PR and the standing of the people there. For those of you who were educated in the east or south, do you recall much in the curriculum? I'd flunk any test I think that had anything but the most basic of questions.

It was very obvious the white police officer was not going to help and documenting the situation was probably the best thing she could do.  A defensive posture or attacking the man had a high likelihood of the police officer attacking/arresting or even killing her.  She would have been perceived as the threat - not the drunk man.  Without that documentation of the incident, it would have been he said/she said and the police officer's version would most likely have been believed. 

Having your story believed and the system standing up for you  when you are the victim is not something that POC can depend on.

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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2018, 04:17:54 PM »

Having your story believed and the system standing up for you when you are the victim is not something that POC can depend on.

Hell, its not something white women can always count on.  Being female and POC is double danger.

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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2018, 08:17:19 PM »
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if I was there and saw a person saying what I heard her say, my first repsonse would be 'if you are that uncomfortable, put your f'in phone down and take up a defensive posture.' She wasn't taking physical action that told me she was actually concerned.

She was taking physical action that told us she was concerned. She was using her body to facilitate videotaping of the event, which is all vulnerable people have now. Had things escalated, her account would have been dismissed otherwise. Had she put her phone down to take a defensive posture, the cop likely would have arrested her...and she’d have had no documentation of how things played out. 

i.e., A defensive posture may or may not protect a vulnerable person physically. Video documentation is all that can provide proof so that she and everyone else is protected from aggressive asshats after that moment.

She was also backing away.
She was also using her voice to make clear, repeated statements that she wanted him to stop.
She was also using her voice to ask a policeperson to help.

These are all physical actions.

She handled herself amazingly and did all the right things. I’m blown away at how steady she remained.

The person who did choose to step in freakin’ rocks. Way to go, Person!!!!

The jerk’s harrassment was unacceptable regardless of who’s a citizen of what.

If her intent was to get someone in trouble, she did the right thing. If her intent is to survive, as mine always is, she did not do right.

Option 1. Beat almost to death, have video, perp gets convicted, you live on with major issues.
Option 2. Lose your phone, take decisive defensive action, would be perp leaves bleeding, no arrest, you live on without issue.

What's your choice?

Having a phone is distracting, while driving as well as any other time.



I have read more on PR today. Quite an interesting history really. A guy in my group hails from there, might be some quizzing Monday.

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2018, 08:59:15 PM »
In this case, she had a policeperson right there, unwilling to arrest the person breaking laws against her. The policeperson’s actions gave enough reason to believe he might arrest her if she took a defensive position.

Basically, she needed to defend herself from the aggressor *and* from the bizarreness of the first policeperson. Videodocumentation and all her other steps was the way to go. And because she did these steps, Aggressor is hopefully tucked away and can’t harm others (hopefully for longer than a night). But if upon taking him in, they find that other people have also documented his actions, others can be kept safe longer.

With the camera on, she was in reduced danger of a beating (not zero, as we’ve seen plenty of times, but reduced).

I imagine if he’d taken additional steps, she would naturally have dropped her phone and taken deeper action.

One aspect of self-defense is to not take a defensive position earlier than necessary.

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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2018, 10:36:33 PM »
One aspect of self-defense is to not take a defensive position earlier than necessary.

Very important. The first goal is to avoid a fight altogether and the phone was the best way to do that. Putting it down and getting ready for a fight would likely get the drunk guy more worked up.

If she did anything other than record him it should have been to run away, not prepare for a fight. He probably couldn't stumble after her very fast.

ETA: More importantly, why are we talking about her actions anyway? She could have reacted much worse but that's not what this story is about. It's about an ignorant xenophobe, the fact that people can be so misinformed about the world, and a cop who showed indifference to her safety, possibly due to racism.
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2018, 11:50:31 PM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Naw, if we were doing that Vancouver Island would already have sunk.  We would just be able to have a Caribbean vacation in a place that uses Canadian dollars.  Puerto Rico could set up PRHIP  (Puerto Rico Health Insurance Plan) just like OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).  And their kids could attend Colleges and Universities without going broke/having ridiculous student loans.

PR kids can already go to college and universities without going broke! :) UPR has not seen major tuition inflation like in the rest of the USA. It is very affordable. In addition, due to their excellent Spanish language skills, they can go to medical school in Mexico, which is even cheaper. After Hurricane Maria, I flew to the USA and sat next to a woman who was in residency at a hospital in PR. She'd gone to Mexico (Guadalajara or Monterrey, I've since forgotten which) for medical school. I was pretty impressed at the way she'd hacked life.


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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2018, 05:57:33 AM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Naw, if we were doing that Vancouver Island would already have sunk.  We would just be able to have a Caribbean vacation in a place that uses Canadian dollars.  Puerto Rico could set up PRHIP  (Puerto Rico Health Insurance Plan) just like OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).  And their kids could attend Colleges and Universities without going broke/having ridiculous student loans.

PR kids can already go to college and universities without going broke! :) UPR has not seen major tuition inflation like in the rest of the USA. It is very affordable. In addition, due to their excellent Spanish language skills, they can go to medical school in Mexico, which is even cheaper. After Hurricane Maria, I flew to the USA and sat next to a woman who was in residency at a hospital in PR. She'd gone to Mexico (Guadalajara or Monterrey, I've since forgotten which) for medical school. I was pretty impressed at the way she'd hacked life.

After all the US horror stories about huge student loans, that is a great story!  :-)

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2018, 02:08:46 AM »
Interesting idea of Puerto Rico becoming a province of Canada.  If PR did become a province of Canada, PR citizens would get a national health scheme

Canadian citizens can visit PR as tourists without the need for a US visa.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2018, 08:07:07 AM »
Also PR pays zero federal taxes.  So no income tax, no capital gains tax, etc.  You would still owe PR tax that caps out at 30% I think but for investors or those FIREd living off of investment draw downs it could be incredibly lucrative to reside in PR.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2018, 08:22:23 AM »
Also PR pays zero federal taxes.  So no income tax, no capital gains tax, etc.  You would still owe PR tax that caps out at 30% I think but for investors or those FIREd living off of investment draw downs it could be incredibly lucrative to reside in PR.

We were looking into living in PR after retirement, until climate change dissuaded us. No islands in the Caribbean for us. Especially not with the current administration making it so blatantly obvious that they do not care whether residents of that island live or die.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2018, 08:29:28 AM »
PR pays not federal tax to D.C, but they do pay tax to San Juan, just as every state does. And they tax capital gains just like everywhere else in the USA does, as unearned income. However, there are substantial tax advantages for moving to PR.

Also; PR has mountains that are about 3500 feet high. So, there's plenty of land that will not be affected by global warming, at least not in our lifetime or the lifetime of our children.

There is plenty of opportunity in PR for those who know how to recognize it.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2018, 08:15:27 AM »
The officer for sure was a tool and should have acted differently most likely. However, if I was there and saw a person saying what I heard her say, my first repsonse would be 'if you are that uncomfortable, put your f'in phone down and take up a defensive posture.' She wasn't taking physical action that told me she was actually concerned.


Seriously?
 
The "most likely" part makes it seems as if you're not fully blaming the cop for not doing his job. As if, had the drunk guy started physically beating the woman, then yeah, step in, but because he was only verbally abusing her, it wasn't needed.

The part about the woman not going into a combat position is insanely fucking stupid. I actually can't believe you would try to blame her for the situation. We clearly see she's backing from the guy. She's also keeping her composure and not going into a rage which would undoubtedly escalate the situation. She clearly ASKED a police officer for help, only to have him turn his back on her. She did everything she SHOULD had done to be safe in a public park while police were present. Seriously WTF?

It wasn't until the video went viral that the police department tried to "do something" about it. Had it not, nothing would had happened to the drunk guy and the pos officer.


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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2018, 08:28:26 AM »
PR pays not federal tax to D.C, but they do pay tax to San Juan, just as every state does. And they tax capital gains just like everywhere else in the USA does, as unearned income. However, there are substantial tax advantages for moving to PR.

Also; PR has mountains that are about 3500 feet high. So, there's plenty of land that will not be affected by global warming, at least not in our lifetime or the lifetime of our children.

There is plenty of opportunity in PR for those who know how to recognize it.

Unfortunately PR has been infested since the late 80's with drugs/crime. Because of this, the homicide rate in the island is the highest of any state (Counting PR as a state for this post) at almost 6.5x higher.

"Puerto Rico’s homicide rate is roughly 20 killings per 100,000 residents, compared with 3.7 per 100,000 residents on the U.S. mainland. In the past two years, Puerto Rico has seen an average of 56 homicides a month, a rate that held through December(2017).
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/01/11/puerto-rico-plagued-by-murders-after-devastation-of-hurricane-maria.html

Add to that the devastation by the hurricanes. The total clusterfuck by the government. The lack of solid infrastructure, etc. etc. and you end up with the mess the island is in. A total shitshow - which totally pains me. My family owns about 5 acres in a prime location about 1/2 hour from San Juan and our ultimate goal is to sell it once, if ever, the market swings back up.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2018, 01:02:35 PM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Damn right we would!

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2018, 02:04:02 PM »
People are dumb.  There was a story a while back about someone confused about a citizen of New Mexico getting a US passport.  The confused person was involved with giving out US passports.  Maybe they should test for knowledge of 50 states, territories, etc.  Amazing!

There's a reason New Mexico license plates all say "New Mexico USA." :-/

I remember vividly when a local newspaper published an article to allow readers to test their geography skills. One of the questions was to identify the following countries on the map. On the list were countries of relevance to US interests like Mexico, Vietnam,.... and .... Alaska.

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2018, 11:44:47 AM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Damn right we would!

There are places where it doesn't snow???

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Re: Yes, Puertoricans are US citizens.
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2018, 12:47:21 PM »
It's a terrible idea! As soon as the Canadians figure out it doesn't ever snow there, so many will come that PR will sink into the ocean ;-)

Damn right we would!

There are places where it doesn't snow???

Well, mostly it doesn't snow here in summer.  But there are places where it doesn't snow in winter, too.  Boggles the mind, eh?