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Interesting opinion by Steve Carell:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/12/steve-carell-says-the-office-wouldnt-work-in-todays-woke-climate/

“A lot of what is depicted on that show is completely wrong-minded. That’s the point, you know?” Carell continued. “But I just don’t know how that would fly now. There’s a very high awareness of offensive things today — which is good, for sure. But at the same time, when you take a character like that too literally, it doesn’t really work.”

"Carell, 56, doesn’t sound like he would be up for a reunion season, saying that “apart from the fact that I just don’t think that’s a good idea, it might be impossible to do that show today and have people accept it the way it was accepted ten years ago.”"

Is he right?

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2018, 08:08:18 AM »
He's right that a reunion season is a bad idea, but I think the rest of what he said was just to support the decision he already made. His character did most of the offensive stuff and most of the jokes were around how oblivious he was to his offensiveness. I don't see that type of humor as any less funny today. I knew how unhealthy some of the inter office relationships were right from the beginning, and I started watching in middle school.

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2018, 08:36:04 AM »
It would in my house. I know because I just took it up (via Netflix) for my first time and loved it :)

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2018, 09:24:35 AM »

I agree that it would be equally funny today.  It doesn't even seem like it's been that long ago.  I admit I didn't watch it that much, but I have a limited tolerance for sitcoms in general.

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2018, 09:56:09 AM »
Most certainly, yes.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2018, 07:57:14 PM »
It's not just The Office...Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, and even Lenny Bruce wouldn't be allowed to perform today.

PC culture has ruined comedy.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 10:04:05 AM »
Things that used to be funny are often no longer funny. Tastes change. When I was a kid, people used to swear that The Honeymooners was the peak of funny. I didn't get it.  Kids probably now have the same reaction to things like Prairie Home Companion-disbelief that their grandparents can tolerate that boring bullshit.  This has nothing to do with pc culture.  Sarah Silverman's abortion clinic bombing sketch is my rebuttal to the idea that pc culture has hobbled comedy to avoid controversial topics.  Imagine getting away with that 30 years ago when Richard Pryor was performing.

The Office is still funny.   But in 10-15 years, the minutiae of office life will change and it won't seem as relevant.  "Pc culture", whatever that is, isn't to blame. 

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 10:10:00 AM »
Things that used to be funny are often no longer funny. Tastes change. When I was a kid, people used to swear that The Honeymooners was the peak of funny. I didn't get it.  Kids probably now have the same reaction to things like Prairie Home Companion-disbelief that their grandparents can tolerate that boring bullshit.  This has nothing to do with pc culture.  Sarah Silverman's abortion clinic bombing sketch is my rebuttal to the idea that pc culture has hobbled comedy to avoid controversial topics.  Imagine getting away with that 30 years ago when Richard Pryor was performing.

The Office is still funny.   But in 10-15 years, the minutiae of office life will change and it won't seem as relevant.  "Pc culture", whatever that is, isn't to blame.

Excellent synopsis. I can't think of anything that I disagree with. Yes, "The Office" is still hilarious. Meanwhile, my dad still thinks that "The Andy Griffith Show" is the pinnacle of American comedy.


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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »
Things that used to be funny are often no longer funny. Tastes change. When I was a kid, people used to swear that The Honeymooners was the peak of funny. I didn't get it.  Kids probably now have the same reaction to things like Prairie Home Companion-disbelief that their grandparents can tolerate that boring bullshit.  This has nothing to do with pc culture.  Sarah Silverman's abortion clinic bombing sketch is my rebuttal to the idea that pc culture has hobbled comedy to avoid controversial topics.  Imagine getting away with that 30 years ago when Richard Pryor was performing.

The Office is still funny.   But in 10-15 years, the minutiae of office life will change and it won't seem as relevant.  "Pc culture", whatever that is, isn't to blame.

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My favorite comedian in one part of his act does a rape joke.  The room goes quiet.  Then he points out that there was one wholesome comedian you could always depend on to not to do rape jokes - Bill Cosby.  So who's the more despicable person?  :P

"PC Culture" whatever that is was unable to ensure a fair investigation into sexual misconduct claims for a supreme court justice.  I'm pretty sure that off colour jokes are still doing just fine.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 11:09:47 AM »
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/10_famous_comedians_on_how_political_correctness_is_killing_comedy_we_are_addicted_to_the_rush_of_being_offended/

But I don't think The Office, made for a mainstream network audience, is in danger of being censored because of pc attitudes.  I think I can still find it on Netflix, right?  Whether Richard Pryor or others would be allowed to perform today, and where, is a different question.  I mean, NBC wouldn't have let Richard Pryor (a comedy god) do an uncensored set on network TV in the 1980s.  There have always been television standards that have prevented certain types of comedy from airing on TV.  We just didn't call it pc culture back then.  So, apples to apples, comedians are operating under similar restrictions on TV, except they can say a few more curse words and have more latitude with sex jokes.  On cable TV, there's just a ton of standup available, so I don't see any problem with access or censorship.

Just because people write things about being offended on the internet doesn't mean comedians aren't allowed to perform.  The anger about pc culture seems to be more anger about being criticized in the first place.  I read the linked article, and no one mentioned being prevented from performing, just the sting of not having their work be received well.  It's ok they don't like that, but I don't see why I should be overly concerned about the process playing out like it should.  People do their work, some people like it and some people don't.  If you think the people who don't like it are a bunch of touchy vegans, then you don't pay attention to them.  But comedians don't have a special license to be immune from critique, even if you think the people doing the criticizing are annoying.  Just do what liberals have done for decades when  bible scolds complained about sex scenes between unmarried adults: ignore it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2018, 11:27:50 AM »
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/10_famous_comedians_on_how_political_correctness_is_killing_comedy_we_are_addicted_to_the_rush_of_being_offended/

If PC culture is killing comedy, it's taking an awfully long time to do it. If you need recommendations for good comedians, I'm happy to oblige. Bo Burnham's "Make Happy" on Netflix is the best stand-up special that I've seen in quite a while. Dave Chappelle recently released a great Netflix special as well. The Onion continues to produce the best satire on the internet. John Oliver and Stephen Colbert both have tons of free, excellent, hilarious content on YouTube. If sitcoms are more your thing, check out "Norsemen" on Netflix. It's Norwegian humor, and it is fucking excellent. Take your pick.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2018, 11:55:11 AM »
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/10_famous_comedians_on_how_political_correctness_is_killing_comedy_we_are_addicted_to_the_rush_of_being_offended/

If PC culture is killing comedy, it's taking an awfully long time to do it. If you need recommendations for good comedians, I'm happy to oblige. Bo Burnham's "Make Happy" on Netflix is the best stand-up special that I've seen in quite a while. Dave Chappelle recently released a great Netflix special as well. The Onion continues to produce the best satire on the internet. John Oliver and Stephen Colbert both have tons of free, excellent, hilarious content on YouTube. If sitcoms are more your thing, check out "Norsemen" on Netflix. It's Norwegian humor, and it is fucking excellent. Take your pick.

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BTW, just started watching Norsemen because the preview looked pretty funny. That show is fucking hilarious.

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 12:33:57 PM »
It may be off topic, but Norsemen! So good.  I also quite enjoyed The Elegant Gentleman's Guide to Knife Fighting.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2018, 11:41:47 AM »
Yikes, imagine being so lame and out-of-touch that you look at The Office and think that was some really edgy stuff. Always Sunny and South Park are still running as we speak, so yeah, I think we could make the Office today. Steve Carrell should stick to dramatic work, he's actually really good at it.

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2018, 01:16:10 PM »
I think "The Office" would pass and be considered funny. I saw an old re-run of a tv show called "All in the Family" the other night on regular antenna tv and the racism/sexism/everything else-ism make the Office pale by comparison. A classic Archie Bunker quote:

Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together he'd a put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must've told 'em where we were because somebody came and got us.

You know Archie Bunker has become a conservative hero, right?

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 01:18:51 PM »
I think The Office would absolutely "work" if it aired today.  I appreciate it more now than I did when it was on the air, since I've... actually worked in an office now.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2018, 05:01:26 PM »
I think "The Office" would pass and be considered funny. I saw an old re-run of a tv show called "All in the Family" the other night on regular antenna tv and the racism/sexism/everything else-ism make the Office pale by comparison. A classic Archie Bunker quote:

Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together he'd a put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must've told 'em where we were because somebody came and got us.

You know Archie Bunker has become a conservative hero, right?
YIKES! Scary. Since the show is still on after 40 years or so it must have some comic appeal to the masses still even though 99% of the words out of Archie's mouth would be considered massively offensive. But I guess the "clueless dolt" is still funny in its own way to some people. Office Space is so mild in comparison.

Yeah, it’s scary as shit. He even has his own Conservapedia entry. Making him into a hero who owns the libs. As in, they think he’s a warrior for their cause, just as some of them think Stephen Colbert’s character was not satirical.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 05:23:13 AM »
Yikes, imagine being so lame and out-of-touch that you look at The Office and think that was some really edgy stuff. Always Sunny and South Park are still running as we speak, so yeah, I think we could make the Office today. Steve Carrell should stick to dramatic work, he's actually really good at it.

I am disappointed in the new Always Sunny season. So much so that I simply stopped watching. I think Fred Savage was one of the best producers on that show. They should have kept him. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 08:22:18 AM »
Yikes, imagine being so lame and out-of-touch that you look at The Office and think that was some really edgy stuff. Always Sunny and South Park are still running as we speak, so yeah, I think we could make the Office today. Steve Carrell should stick to dramatic work, he's actually really good at it.
And somewhat ironically, I was rewatching a little South Park a few weeks ago, and it was rerated TV-14 (not TV-MA) without changes.  And it really didn't seem that "edgy" anymore.  There's plenty "worse" on premium cable and streaming services these days.

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2018, 12:32:31 PM »
I think "The Office" would pass and be considered funny. I saw an old re-run of a tv show called "All in the Family" the other night on regular antenna tv and the racism/sexism/everything else-ism make the Office pale by comparison. A classic Archie Bunker quote:

Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together he'd a put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must've told 'em where we were because somebody came and got us.

You know Archie Bunker has become a conservative hero, right?
YIKES! Scary. Since the show is still on after 40 years or so it must have some comic appeal to the masses still even though 99% of the words out of Archie's mouth would be considered massively offensive. But I guess the "clueless dolt" is still funny in its own way to some people. Office Space is so mild in comparison.
How so? Sure the character Archie Bunker was racist, but the actors and writers were making fun of him the whole time; as evidenced by your quoted joke.

https://www.conservapedia.com/All_in_the_Family
"...a popular liberal situation-comedy..."

Doesn't sound like an endorsement. Then again it wasn't the producers and everyone involved intention for the Archie Bunker to be the hero of the show; probably since he was an old crank(attitude) not actual beliefs.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2018, 12:45:45 PM »
I think "The Office" would pass and be considered funny. I saw an old re-run of a tv show called "All in the Family" the other night on regular antenna tv and the racism/sexism/everything else-ism make the Office pale by comparison. A classic Archie Bunker quote:

Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together he'd a put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must've told 'em where we were because somebody came and got us.

You know Archie Bunker has become a conservative hero, right?
YIKES! Scary. Since the show is still on after 40 years or so it must have some comic appeal to the masses still even though 99% of the words out of Archie's mouth would be considered massively offensive. But I guess the "clueless dolt" is still funny in its own way to some people. Office Space is so mild in comparison.
How so? Sure the character Archie Bunker was racist, but the actors and writers were making fun of him the whole time; as evidenced by your quoted joke.

https://www.conservapedia.com/All_in_the_Family
"...a popular liberal situation-comedy..."

Doesn't sound like an endorsement. Then again it wasn't the producers and everyone involved intention for the Archie Bunker to be the hero of the show; probably since he was an old crank(attitude) not actual beliefs.

Because somehow, the bolded part was completely missed by conservative audiences who now consider him a hero rather than the joke he was meant to be?

ETA: And then the same people complain about "PC culture" killing comedy as if they're not a direct cause of it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2018, 12:47:02 PM »
I think "The Office" would pass and be considered funny. I saw an old re-run of a tv show called "All in the Family" the other night on regular antenna tv and the racism/sexism/everything else-ism make the Office pale by comparison. A classic Archie Bunker quote:

Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together he'd a put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must've told 'em where we were because somebody came and got us.

You know Archie Bunker has become a conservative hero, right?
YIKES! Scary. Since the show is still on after 40 years or so it must have some comic appeal to the masses still even though 99% of the words out of Archie's mouth would be considered massively offensive. But I guess the "clueless dolt" is still funny in its own way to some people. Office Space is so mild in comparison.
How so? Sure the character Archie Bunker was racist, but the actors and writers were making fun of him the whole time; as evidenced by your quoted joke.

https://www.conservapedia.com/All_in_the_Family
"...a popular liberal situation-comedy..."

Doesn't sound like an endorsement. Then again it wasn't the producers and everyone involved intention for the Archie Bunker to be the hero of the show; probably since he was an old crank(attitude) not actual beliefs.

No, that's not an endorsement of the show. But conservatives themselves have turned Archie into a plain-talking, tell-it-like-it-is hero, creating him in their own image (or rather as the version of image they want to believe about themselves) instead of the racist, small-minded bigot he was.

Which, you know, is ironic -- but only if you're smart enough to understand the irony.

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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2018, 01:28:27 PM »
Would The IT Crowd or Better Off Ted be allowed to air today?

The first one features a shallow incompetent woman manager trying to get by in a dysfunctional office led by a sexual predator.
The second is largely about navigating sexual tensions between employees and their superiors in a ultra-predatory megacorp.

Both would probably never be funded in the first place. Which would be a shame, both are fantastic comedy.

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 02:09:43 PM »
Would The IT Crowd or Better Off Ted be allowed to air today?

The first one features a shallow incompetent woman manager trying to get by in a dysfunctional office led by a sexual predator.
The second is largely about navigating sexual tensions between employees and their superiors in a ultra-predatory megacorp.

Both would probably never be funded in the first place. Which would be a shame, both are fantastic comedy.

"Why are you drinking rohypnol, Jen? Are you having problems with insomnia?"

I disagree, I don't see any reason those jokes wouldn't work today. As with the Archie Bunker example, it matters whether the jokes make you laugh at them or with them. More importantly, I think there would be funding so long as the people with money think the premise will be successful, they don't care who they offend unless it's their target audience.

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2018, 02:14:10 PM »
Would The IT Crowd or Better Off Ted be allowed to air today?

The first one features a shallow incompetent woman manager trying to get by in a dysfunctional office led by a sexual predator.
The second is largely about navigating sexual tensions between employees and their superiors in a ultra-predatory megacorp.

Both would probably never be funded in the first place. Which would be a shame, both are fantastic comedy.

"Why are you drinking rohypnol, Jen? Are you having problems with insomnia?"

I disagree, I don't see any reason those jokes wouldn't work today. As with the Archie Bunker example, it matters whether the jokes make you laugh at them or with them. More importantly, I think there would be funding so long as the people with money think the premise will be successful, they don't care who they offend unless it's their target audience.

Does it matter what your intent is though?  There was a recent thread here in which a popular opinion was that if I make a joke about what my "spirit animal" is, that makes me a racist.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/serena-williams-at-the-us-open/100/
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2018, 02:15:09 PM »
Would The IT Crowd or Better Off Ted be allowed to air today?

The first one features a shallow incompetent woman manager trying to get by in a dysfunctional office led by a sexual predator.
The second is largely about navigating sexual tensions between employees and their superiors in a ultra-predatory megacorp.

Both would probably never be funded in the first place. Which would be a shame, both are fantastic comedy.

"Why are you drinking rohypnol, Jen? Are you having problems with insomnia?"

I disagree, I don't see any reason those jokes wouldn't work today. As with the Archie Bunker example, it matters whether the jokes make you laugh at them or with them. More importantly, I think there would be funding so long as the people with money think the premise will be successful, they don't care who they offend unless it's their target audience.
Oh I absolutely think the jokes would work today; I greatly enjoyed re-watching it all this year. I just don't think the industry would give it a chance today. Too risky.

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2018, 02:32:48 PM »
Would The IT Crowd or Better Off Ted be allowed to air today?

The first one features a shallow incompetent woman manager trying to get by in a dysfunctional office led by a sexual predator.
The second is largely about navigating sexual tensions between employees and their superiors in a ultra-predatory megacorp.

Both would probably never be funded in the first place. Which would be a shame, both are fantastic comedy.

"Why are you drinking rohypnol, Jen? Are you having problems with insomnia?"

I disagree, I don't see any reason those jokes wouldn't work today. As with the Archie Bunker example, it matters whether the jokes make you laugh at them or with them. More importantly, I think there would be funding so long as the people with money think the premise will be successful, they don't care who they offend unless it's their target audience.
Oh I absolutely think the jokes would work today; I greatly enjoyed re-watching it all this year. I just don't think the industry would give it a chance today. Too risky.

I think it just depends on what network and who the target audience is. As others have mentioned, there are far more offensive shows than the Office (or IT Crowd, Better Off Ted) on TV right now.

As a side note, Better Off Ted had a whole episode about upper management being a bunch of old white men who ate steak for lunch and sexually harassed their secretaries and how Ted made them better people in the space of one episode. That seems like the perfect premise for today :)

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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2018, 02:50:35 PM »
It's not just The Office...Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, and even Lenny Bruce wouldn't be allowed to perform today.

PC culture has ruined comedy.

By who? Liberals? None of my (liberal) friends have problems with these comedians. Nor with George Carlin or David Chappelle. Sometimes they even quote them.

Some female friends have a problem with Louis CK and feel he needs to take a LOONG break. But that's because of what he did, not his jokes. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2018, 02:54:09 PM »
It's not just The Office...Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, and even Lenny Bruce wouldn't be allowed to perform today.

PC culture has ruined comedy.

By who? Liberals? None of my (liberal) friends have problems with these comedians. Nor with George Carlin or David Chappelle. Sometimes they even quote them.

Some female friends have a problem with Louis CK and feel he needs to take a LOONG break. But that's because of what he did, not his jokes.

Mine either. I don't like Sam Kinison, but then again, I've never liked him, because his anger and self-loathing freaked me out. I always felt like I was watching a slow suicide when I watched him. That completely eclipsed the humor for me.

Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor, though? Hilarious.

And Louis CK was probably my favorite comedian before his awful actions became public. I sure as hell wish he would take a long break, seriously reflect and change, and come back a better person. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like that's the path he's on right now.

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 07:24:42 PM »
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/10_famous_comedians_on_how_political_correctness_is_killing_comedy_we_are_addicted_to_the_rush_of_being_offended/

If PC culture is killing comedy, it's taking an awfully long time to do it. If you need recommendations for good comedians, I'm happy to oblige. Bo Burnham's "Make Happy" on Netflix is the best stand-up special that I've seen in quite a while. Dave Chappelle recently released a great Netflix special as well. The Onion continues to produce the best satire on the internet. John Oliver and Stephen Colbert both have tons of free, excellent, hilarious content on YouTube. If sitcoms are more your thing, check out "Norsemen" on Netflix. It's Norwegian humor, and it is fucking excellent. Take your pick.

Oh man, I was so excited to learn of a new comic I might like (Bo Burnham)... so I checked him out on Netflix... and I just didn't think he was funny. Oh well.

This is my short list of favorite comics right now - taking recommendations for more:

Ali Wong
Sarah Silverman
Tig Notaro
John Mulaney
Dave Chappelle
David Cross
Trevor Noah
Demetri Martin

Oh, and Louis CK was hands down my DH's and my favorite comic, until the news broke. :( I have felt very conflicted about watching anything of his since then - and pretty much haven't - but man he had some really really brilliant stuff that is such a bummer to have a pall over now.

 
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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2018, 05:54:39 AM »
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/10_famous_comedians_on_how_political_correctness_is_killing_comedy_we_are_addicted_to_the_rush_of_being_offended/

If PC culture is killing comedy, it's taking an awfully long time to do it. If you need recommendations for good comedians, I'm happy to oblige. Bo Burnham's "Make Happy" on Netflix is the best stand-up special that I've seen in quite a while. Dave Chappelle recently released a great Netflix special as well. The Onion continues to produce the best satire on the internet. John Oliver and Stephen Colbert both have tons of free, excellent, hilarious content on YouTube. If sitcoms are more your thing, check out "Norsemen" on Netflix. It's Norwegian humor, and it is fucking excellent. Take your pick.

Oh man, I was so excited to learn of a new comic I might like (Bo Burnham)... so I checked him out on Netflix... and I just didn't think he was funny. Oh well.

This is my short list of favorite comics right now - taking recommendations for more:

Ali Wong
Sarah Silverman
Tig Notaro
John Mulaney
Dave Chappelle
David Cross
Trevor Noah
Demetri Martin

Oh, and Louis CK was hands down my DH's and my favorite comic, until the news broke. :( I have felt very conflicted about watching anything of his since then - and pretty much haven't - but man he had some really really brilliant stuff that is such a bummer to have a pall over now.

Bo Burnham's not everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand, I never got the appeal of Louis CK, and everyone seemed to love him before...well, you know. Frankly, stand-up comedy kind of died for me when Mitch Hedberg died. His dry, witty one-liners are the most quotable in comedy history, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2018, 07:17:23 AM »
Ricky Gervaise version much better :)

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2018, 08:28:14 AM »
It's not just The Office...Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, and even Lenny Bruce wouldn't be allowed to perform today.

PC culture has ruined comedy.

By who? Liberals? None of my (liberal) friends have problems with these comedians. Nor with George Carlin or David Chappelle. Sometimes they even quote them.

Some female friends have a problem with Louis CK and feel he needs to take a LOONG break. But that's because of what he did, not his jokes.

Mine either. I don't like Sam Kinison, but then again, I've never liked him, because his anger and self-loathing freaked me out. I always felt like I was watching a slow suicide when I watched him. That completely eclipsed the humor for me.

Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor, though? Hilarious.

And Louis CK was probably my favorite comedian before his awful actions became public. I sure as hell wish he would take a long break, seriously reflect and change, and come back a better person. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like that's the path he's on right now.

Louis CK was also one of my favorite comedians before all this happened, his show (Louie). He has a very good incisive view of life particularly life as a parent. But he doesn't seem to "get it" why he his behavior had such a chilling effect on female comedians in the field. When he "gets it" and makes amends yeah would like to see him continue to do work. Maybe he can do something completely different for a few years. Volunteer at an animal shelter or something.

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2018, 10:44:37 PM »
It's not just The Office...Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, and even Lenny Bruce wouldn't be allowed to perform today.

PC culture has ruined comedy.

I call BS.  There are plenty of excellent comedians that are doing just fine.  Pryor was a groundbreaker and a genius, and he would thrive in the current environment, so would Kinison and Bill Hicks - they would tell different jokes that reflected the times there are in.

By your logic, the 'comedy' of blackface that is no longer acceptable was ruined by PC culture. I think we can all agree that it was actually just racist and nasty.

I have often found that substituting 'PC Culture' for 'Respectfulness' helps to illustrate what people are actually taking issue with.

I do take issue with people going back to a different context and holding comedians (in particular) responsible for jokes they told 20 years ago.  Times and social mores change, comedians are expected to challenge things and be funny in the moment.

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2018, 08:34:30 AM »
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This is my short list of favorite comics right now - taking recommendations for more:

Ali Wong
Sarah Silverman
Tig Notaro
John Mulaney
Dave Chappelle
David Cross
Trevor Noah
Demetri Martin

With Netflix handing out truck loads of cash, it seems we have bountiful standup content available. My recommendations for more:

Jim Gaffigan
Wyatt Cenac
Tom Segura
Neal Brennan
Mike Burbiglia
Zach Galifianakis
Patton Oswalt
Amy Schumer
Jim Jerreries
Joe Mande


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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2018, 10:44:47 AM »
Frankly, stand-up comedy kind of died for me when Mitch Hedberg died. His dry, witty one-liners are the most quotable in comedy history, as far as I'm concerned.

I once unsuccessfully tried to locate either video or audio of some of his sets, to show to my wife. Maybe i'll try looking again.

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Re: Would 'The Office' pass as comedy if aired for the first time today?
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2018, 11:07:21 AM »
Frankly, stand-up comedy kind of died for me when Mitch Hedberg died. His dry, witty one-liners are the most quotable in comedy history, as far as I'm concerned.

I once unsuccessfully tried to locate either video or audio of some of his sets, to show to my wife. Maybe i'll try looking again.

This is a pretty good one.