dramatic effectNo. It's a requirement or feature of certain writing styles (including some legal writing), as stated above.
There are a couple of different major 'styles' when it comes to things like punctuation, hyphenation, grammar, etc. The two most popular for American English are the AP (from Associated Press) and Chicago (from the University of Chicago Press) manuals of style. They basically give you a way to be consistent when applying arbitrary rules like whether or not to put spaces in an ellipsis. If you're running a magazine or newspaper or website you can tell all your writers/editors/proofreaders to use the AP style guide and know that you'll get a consistent result instead of half your articles looking one way, and half another way.
AP Style says an ellipsis is "..." and Chicago says it's ". . ."
I still double space after colons: and periods. See?You disgust me
How do you feel about non breaking spaces? Do they also disgust you? If I write a long paragraph with them do I cause horizontal scrolling to happen on this message board software platform? I'm sure going to find out about that! Just a little bit longer should do it! There we go! Seems surely long enough now even on a pretty big monitor.
I still double space after colons: and periods. See?
I used to double space after periods. I started switching to single space after someone online opined that double spacing is like proclaiming "I'm over 40!" So now single spacing is my typographical equivalent of the dye that keeps me from being a complete graybeard...
Trendily yours,
Bikey
How do you feel about non breaking spaces? Do they also disgust you? If I write a long paragraph with them do I cause horizontal scrolling to happen on this message board software platform? I'm sure going to find out about that! Just a little bit longer should do it! There we go! Seems surely long enough now even on a pretty big monitor.
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Some good news:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/tech/microsoft-word-two-spaces-trnd/index.html
Do the right thing, Microsoft. Make spaces in ellipses illegal too.
I was taught in my elementary school keyboarding class that two spaces between sentences was correct and have done it ever since. MS is (as usual) wrong in what they're doing.
In my experience it seems to be an old person thing. People over 50 really seem to like to put a million dots in everything they write, especially on Facebook.
In my experience it seems to be an old person thing. People over 50 really seem to like to put a million dots in everything they write, especially on Facebook.
I think the "million dots" is a precursor to the emoji - a creative use of characters to express an emotional effect. Imagine yourself 25 years from now. People call you old. Everyone whose experience and education are shorter than yours is complaining "old people keep using these horrible emojis for no reason". That's probably how the dotters feel.
:)
I, for one, am glad MS is finally going to start flagging this for correction when typing. As a young-un, I was taught (early '00s) that everything should only be monospaced. Well, sentence structure-wise that is. Line spacing is a different animal.
That's cute, but two spaces stopped being correct when computers came.I was taught in my elementary school keyboarding class that two spaces between sentences was correct and have done it ever since. MS is (as usual) wrong in what they're doing.
I learned it in typing class back in 1967. I bet MS also thinks the Oxford comma is wrong.
As a young-un, I was taught (early '00s) that everything should only be monospaced.
As a young-un, I was taught (early '00s) that everything should only be monospaced.
I was probably introduced to a word processor in 1990 or 1991 and it was definitely single space by then. I don't understand how some people can't accept that some things change. We don't inoculate our kids against smallpox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation) anymore and we only put one space after the period.
Some good news:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/tech/microsoft-word-two-spaces-trnd/index.html
Do the right thing, Microsoft. Make spaces in ellipses illegal too.
Nooooooo!! Spaces are good. Spaces make it easier on the eyes! I want my spaces!
Look at this. Two spaces, nice separation between the sentences.
Look at this. One space, two sentences shoved together.
And (. . .) is nicer than (...) give them space to be their distinctive selves.
...Respectfully, this is the most offensive thing I've ever seen on this forum.
… <--I like this one
. . .
...
… <--I like this one
. . .
...Respectfully, this is the most offensive thing I've ever seen on this forum.
… <--I like this one
. . .
Then again, I had to work on a bug not so long ago that basically boils down to "POS system that you signed up to work on knowing it is a POS, lets you enter that character, but then it causes problems later."
...
… <--I like this one
. . .
It's OK. Not everyone can be right all of the time . . .
I, being in my fifties, was raised to use two. It has taken me a while, but I've managed to make the switch.
Kelley from the Office explains how dots work.I love Kelley Wisdom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnFsIcTBwQ
It is a Unicode character - this one takes 2 bytes. So you're only saving 1 byte of space compared to 3 dots, so you're probably only getting half the space savings you thought you were in memory and on disk. Even less physical space on the page. Plus that symbol is too compressed visually - just hard to look at....Respectfully, this is the most offensive thing I've ever seen on this forum.
… <--I like this one
. . .
Then again, I had to work on a bug not so long ago that basically boils down to "POS system that you signed up to work on knowing it is a POS, lets you enter that character, but then it causes problems later."...
… <--I like this one
. . .
It's OK. Not everyone can be right all of the time . . .
Why the hate for the symbol?
C'mon everyone, one space after sentences and reduced spaces in ... is clearly more efficient. We're all engineers here, right :-)?
It is a Unicode character - this one takes 2 bytes. So you're only saving 1 byte of space compared to 3 dots, so you're probably only getting half the space savings you thought you were in memory and on disk. Even less physical space on the page. Plus that symbol is too compressed visually - just hard to look at....Respectfully, this is the most offensive thing I've ever seen on this forum.
… <--I like this one
. . .
Then again, I had to work on a bug not so long ago that basically boils down to "POS system that you signed up to work on knowing it is a POS, lets you enter that character, but then it causes problems later."...
… <--I like this one
. . .
It's OK. Not everyone can be right all of the time . . .
Why the hate for the symbol?
Then inevitably someone is going to cut and paste that into a computer system that isn't built to handle it. Depending on the nature of what happens, someone like me will get called in to figure out what to do. So now you using that character has cost me time (or earned me money but cost me happiness - system being so shitty unicode characters are a problem is way down the list of problems I enjoy solving in 2020).
Can mess with your SMS messages. Technically rules like "a single SMS can be up to 140 characters" are only true if you limit yourself to the GSM character set. This can impact organizational costs in a big way if you're not careful - splitting that message into 2 often doubles the cost of sending or receiving the message if you're sending and receiving messages via services such as Twilio.
I, being in my fifties, was raised to use two. It has taken me a while, but I've managed to make the switch.
Was it painful?
I, too, was taught two-spaces following a period by my older (and oddly all British) english teachers in HS; then I had it drilled out of my in college and grad-school.
Sadly, I think the current trend is to forego punctuation altogether, as in the Twitterverse
C'mon everyone, one space after sentences and reduced spaces in ... is clearly more efficient. We're all engineers here, right :-)?
Efficiency isn't necessarily better.
We cld do awy wth mst vwls and stll cmmnicat . . . bt it wld b trrbl (thgh mor effcnt).
Is the efficiency in the ease of typing (one space after the period) or the ease of reading (2 spaces after the period)? One writer, how many readers? I still vote 2 spaces.
Is the efficiency in the ease of typing (one space after the period) or the ease of reading (2 spaces after the period)? One writer, how many readers? I still vote 2 spaces.
Do you really find it more difficult reading a sentence with only one space after the period? Separation of sentences doesn't seem a big enough deal to me to merit needing extra emphasis. You can have two "sentence" level thoughts in the same sentence with a ; or ", and" and so on.
I find adding an additional space after paragraphs, where there is a more important distinction between thoughts helpful, though :-).
Is the efficiency in the ease of typing (one space after the period) or the ease of reading (2 spaces after the period)? One writer, how many readers? I still vote 2 spaces.
Do you really find it more difficult reading a sentence with only one space after the period? Separation of sentences doesn't seem a big enough deal to me to merit needing extra emphasis. You can have two "sentence" level thoughts in the same sentence with a ; or ", and" and so on.
I find adding an additional space after paragraphs, where there is a more important distinction between thoughts helpful, though :-).
I started off on a typewriter, so of course fixed width fonts. Fixed font too, until I got hold of my mother's Selectrix. Wow, italics!!
I really do prefer 2 spaces between sentences. I find it is less tiring to read, just as serif fonts are easier on the eye in a document of any length. Typewriters came with serif fonts (until the Selectrix, when you had choices).
Is the efficiency in the ease of typing (one space after the period) or the ease of reading (2 spaces after the period)? One writer, how many readers? I still vote 2 spaces.
Do you really find it more difficult reading a sentence with only one space after the period? Separation of sentences doesn't seem a big enough deal to me to merit needing extra emphasis. You can have two "sentence" level thoughts in the same sentence with a ; or ", and" and so on.
I find adding an additional space after paragraphs, where there is a more important distinction between thoughts helpful, though :-).
This whole thing is starting to remind me of when I was in grad school and lived with two graphic designers. They would get into these emotional debates about which type-fonts should be used. Certain companies were openly mocked for their font choice and each of them claimed to be working on ‘their own font’ which was a modernization of blah-blah-blah but fixed the inherent flaws of yackity-yack.There is no debate. Sans serif fonts are for savages.
Savages need their fonts, too.Century Schoolbook is used by the Supreme Court, so it's good enough for me.
What’s the best font for the over-educated, marginally employed?
Savages need their fonts, too.Century Schoolbook is used by the Supreme Court, so it's good enough for me.
What’s the best font for the over-educated, marginally employed?
Savages need their fonts, too.Century Schoolbook is used by the Supreme Court, so it's good enough for me.
What’s the best font for the over-educated, marginally employed?
I learn so much from this forum!
Is the efficiency in the ease of typing (one space after the period) or the ease of reading (2 spaces after the period)? One writer, how many readers? I still vote 2 spaces.
Do you really find it more difficult reading a sentence with only one space after the period? Separation of sentences doesn't seem a big enough deal to me to merit needing extra emphasis. You can have two "sentence" level thoughts in the same sentence with a ; or ", and" and so on.
I find adding an additional space after paragraphs, where there is a more important distinction between thoughts helpful, though :-).
Sorry, I know there's some text written here . . . but it's all jammed together and I can't quite decipher it.
Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.Why are you projecting your radical feminism on the program?
Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.Why are you projecting your radical feminism on the program?
Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
As long as we're not dropping the first 'r', I'm comfortable with use of program.
As long as we're not dropping the first 'r', I'm comfortable with use of program.
"Pogram"??
@RetiredAt63
I k n o w t h a t y o u r e a l l y f i n d e x t r a s p a c e s t o m a k e f o r e a s i e r r e a d i n g, b u t I d o n ' t f i n d t h i s t o b e f a s t e r. I n f a c t, i t ' s k i n d o f a n n o y i n g.
@RetiredAt63
I k n o w t h a t y o u r e a l l y f i n d e x t r a s p a c e s t o m a k e f o r e a s i e r r e a d i n g, b u t I d o n ' t f i n d t h i s t o b e f a s t e r. I n f a c t, i t ' s k i n d o f a n n o y i n g.
I r e a l l y a p p r e c i a t e y o u r e f f o r t s , N e r e o ! ! ! B u t y o u l e f t o u t t h e e x t r a s p a c e s , e h ?
@RetiredAt63
I k n o w t h a t y o u r e a l l y f i n d e x t r a s p a c e s t o m a k e f o r e a s i e r r e a d i n g, b u t I d o n ' t f i n d t h i s t o b e f a s t e r. I n f a c t, i t ' s k i n d o f a n n o y i n g.
I r e a l l y a p p r e c i a t e y o u r e f f o r t s , N e r e o ! ! ! B u t y o u l e f t o u t t h e e x t r a s p a c e s , e h ?
n o. T h e r e a r e t w o a f t e r e a c h l e t t e r a n d t h r e e b e t w e e n w o r d s, a n d f o u r a f t e r e a c h s e n t e n c e. B e t t e r, y e s?
Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
C'mon, it's obviously
Pro gram = a loving and devoted person supportive of their grandmother
No, that would be Pro kilogram. Pro Gram is a professional actor in a show about weightlifters.Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
C'mon, it's obviously
Pro gram = a loving and devoted person supportive of their grandmother
Professional weightlifter.
No, that would be Pro kilogram. Pro Gram is a professional actor in a show about weightlifters.Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
C'mon, it's obviously
Pro gram = a loving and devoted person supportive of their grandmother
Professional weightlifter.
No, that would be Pro kilogram. Pro Gram is a professional actor in a show about weightlifters.Pro gram = a person who favors using metric weight over other systems.Dude, it's obviously social distancing. Get with the programme.
It's decades since I've seen programme spelled properly, warm fuzzy feelings.
Haha, that's funny. I would use the word program if I were referring to some kind of software, I guess. I'd be more likely just to call it software...
Yes, program=software/TV show/etc.
Programme = "a set of related measures or activities with a particular long-term aim"
C'mon, it's obviously
Pro gram = a loving and devoted person supportive of their grandmother
Professional weightlifter.
Pro Gram is one of those people who's fine with someone choosing to be a junkie, free will and all that.
Or a Pro Grammer is an instagram professional. The Kardashians are all pro grammers.
This thread started out a bit odd, and now it's just frickin weird. Like.
Good thing y'all aren't Jewish. The Torah would give you fits.
This thread was like a Letterkenny opener.
Thank you for that.
I hope we can all agree this is just ridiculous, and it is a real example that came up in my real work:
...…...
In case that doesn't render in a way you can see it 3 dots, then a single-character ellipses, then another 3 dots.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/887540598/the-debate-over-the-word-irregardless-is-it-a-wordFIFY
Merriam-Webster has confirmed that "irregardless" is a word in the dictionary, despite concerns from teachers that it is not.
NoOOooOOooOooOOO. . .
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/887540598/the-debate-over-the-word-irregardless-is-it-a-word
Merriam-Webster has confirmed that "irregardless" is a word in the dictionary, despite concerns from teachers that it is not.
NoOOooOOooOooOOO
Why are yourhttps://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/887540598/the-debate-over-the-word-irregardless-is-it-a-word
Merriam-Webster has confirmed that "irregardless" is a word in the dictionary, despite concerns from teachers that it is not.
NoOOooOOooOooOOO
I’m sorry. I’m afraid Marriam-Webster does not include that “word” in its dictionary. Perhaps you mean
“no”
?
Why are your
"quotation marks"
all slanted?
They look angry. Are you angry? You should be. I am.
How did I miss this originally?!?
Font in honor of the thread of course.
I graduated from a university with an en dash in its name. Their style guide is very specific on this point.Smith-Corona?