People make choices and there is a context within which they make choices but it's quite simply impossible to discuss this with you if you believe that all the context is the patriarchy. That is just a circular nonsensical argument.
You've already been warned. That's enough of gaslighting "you're being irrational" nonsense. I have given you a well annotated list of exactly how the sexism/the patriarchy affects women. Knock it off.
Try and detail your issues a little more. Can you provide clear cut examples of the patriarchy in action.
I already did, and you ignored the well annotated, mathematical statistical facts and chased down another thread.
Are there any examples of people not abiding by the patriarchy. How can you explain Muslim women who choose to cover their face and wear a hijab ? How can you explain women like Amanda Nunes or women who choose to be doctors and lawyers. Why do women choose to take their husbands surname ? Why aren't they allowed to make that choice ? Who are you to state that women and men have to act in ways that you define as being correct. Do you really expect complete equality ? Should women be made to commit suicide more to make that an even statistic ? Why would more men than women commit suicide if the patriarchy was the all encompassing dominant social system ?
The fact that some women defy the traditional order is beside the point. On average, women get screwed by this system. So what if some women choose this way or that. Choosing to go against the general sexism present in our society is harder and it bends women towards lower pay, more traditional roles, taking their husbands' names and wearing hijabs.
As I've already said multiple times I am more than willing to fight for women's rights when it's clear to me that women are being discriminated against but the only argument I've heard regarding this on this thread is the right to have an abortion.
This is bullshit. I gave you a long list of well supported examples other than abortion.
You are dodging the question and trolling.
You will stop.
Toque.
I guess I don't see Stevo as gaslighting or trolling. He seems to be asking provacative questions and working out some of his own ideas. Maybe he could try to be more open to what you have presented, but the same could be said about you. You seem pretty steadfast that the patriarchy is real and steveo either doesn't or isn't convinced. I don't think that's an issue, the issue comes when you say "you will stop". I feel this is poor form as a mod on a site that is usually very good about letting open discussion occur. None of the rules have been broken.
Trying to shutdown constructive conservation is part of the problem that has blown many of these issues up. And I have found a majority of this thread constructive and interesting.
Sexism exists. Sexism came out of the patriarchal nature of our society (which goes back only a few decades to when women had credit cards that said Mrs. Husband's first name, husband's last name on them, couldn't get bank accounts on their own, etc. etc. Its affects are still
clearly, statistically identifiable today, as I have demonstrated. As everyone knows.)
He's pretending sexism doesn't exist, ignoring pointed
mathematical evidence to the contrary, and trolling the female writers on this forum. This behaviour makes the forum less inclusive and less welcoming to female readers and writers. I have no desire to cut the audience for this philosophy down by half by letting people carry on like this.
Keeping this forum open and tolerant is one of my jobs here.
Toque.