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There have been multiple threads about the incredibly high salaries afforded professional athletes.  I’d like to veer from the normal discussion about how much players are paid and instead focus on this the idea that the more highly paid a player is, the less content he might be with his contract.
This idea is highlighted by the following quote from a WaPo article (sourced below) about star MLB player Bryce Harper:

“..as [Bryce Harper] continues to make more money and get closer to free agency, he accumulates more cash, and an extension that pays him less than open-market value is less appealing.” (emphasis my own).

To sum up the logic used here, the more money a player has, the less likely he is to sign a long-term deal because he might not be paid as much with his current team because he might get more as a free agent.

As I was reading this I realized that is exactly opposite of how most people here might act.  As we achieve FI (and in superstars' worlds - blow right by FI to achieve multi-millionare status) we choose jobs based independently on money.  Instead, what we do and where we live becomes more important.

For background, Bryce Harper is very young (23) and the 2015 league MVP.  He’s often talked about wanting to play for a single team his whole career, and gives Cal Ripken Jr and Derek Jeter as examples he lives by  By MLB’s standards he’s very inexpensive for the caliber player that he is, having earned $2.5MM in 2015 and he has a guaranteed $5MM for 2016.  At the close of next season he will have made a minimum of $15.6MM in 6 years.  Estimates for what it would take to keep Harper with the Nationals range (to quote WaPo): from relatively conservative (six years, $180 million) to breathtakingly astronomical (15 years, $450 million with an opt-out for Harper).

But to get back to the topic at hand, the ruling sports-logic now seems to be that because he already has a lot of money, he’s less likely to take any deal without entering the free market unless it guarantees more than any hitter has ever earned per season (the most conservative estimate was $35MM per year over multiple seasons).  Ironically, there’s almost universal agreement that the nationals could not sign an 6 year contract extension right now for $120MM in part because he doesn’t need the money.
Or, to put it another way, because he doesn’t need the money, several analysts think he is most likely to wind up with an organization like the Yankees simply because they can pay him the most money that he doesn’t need.

Harper certainly isn't the only one, and I'm betting egos are the biggest driver here.  But I can't think of any examples of a current or recent sports superstar saying "you know, I've already made tens of millions of dollars - I'm set for life.  I'm going to choose where to play the remainder of my career based on some factors other than money."  Just once I'd like to hear a guy say "well other teams have offered me an extra $5MM a year to play for them, but my kids have friends here and we really dig this town, and I'm still being paid several million each year to play here so why would I leave?"

feel free to add your own opinions below.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/11/19/what-bryce-harpers-next-contract-could-be-worth/

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Re: When having ‘enough’ means you need to be paid more: pro athletes
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2015, 02:14:53 PM »
As I approach my level of enough, I also require a higher salary to convince me to stay.  Someday soon I may offer my boss the chance to give me a raise or accept my resignation.

Your argument seems to be "he should continue working but ask for less money, because he doesn't need it" and I'm making the exact opposite argument that "he should quit working or ask for more money, because he doesn't need it."

Having "enough" has definitely raised my price tag, just like a typical ball player's.

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Re: When having ‘enough’ means you need to be paid more: pro athletes
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2015, 02:17:26 PM »
But I can't think of any examples of a current or recent sports superstar saying "you know, I've already made tens of millions of dollars - I'm set for life.  I'm going to choose where to play the remainder of my career based on some factors other than money."  Just once I'd like to hear a guy say "well other teams have offered me an extra $5MM a year to play for them, but my kids have friends here and we really dig this town, and I'm still being paid several million each year to play here so why would I leave?"

Coming out and saying that would tend to ruin your negotiating position. It's one thing to be willing to work for a bit less in order to remain in the location you love; it's quite another to announce that fact to the world. Even if he does intend to remain with the Nationals forever, he only does himself a disservice by refusing to speak with other teams. Looking around for other offers is the most surefire way to ensure the Nationals will offer him as close to a fair market price as they can.

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Re: When having ‘enough’ means you need to be paid more: pro athletes
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2015, 02:25:09 PM »
It is definitely interesting to hear the mindset, though I think it makes sense.  You are in a better negotiating position when you don't need the money. 


But it must be weird being in a job where your job performance is measured every single day.  Salaries are widely known and your batting average or yards or baskets is not only tracked but printed in the newspaper for everyone to see.  I guess from that context, if you are the best person in the world at your job, it would make sense to ask to be paid like it. 

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Re: When having ‘enough’ means you need to be paid more: pro athletes
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 02:29:17 PM »
But it must be weird being in a job where your job performance is measured every single day.

Not that uncommon in the corporate world.

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Re: When having ‘enough’ means you need to be paid more: pro athletes
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 06:42:25 PM »
As I approach my level of enough, I also require a higher salary to convince me to stay.  Someday soon I may offer my boss the chance to give me a raise or accept my resignation.

Your argument seems to be "he should continue working but ask for less money, because he doesn't need it" and I'm making the exact opposite argument that "he should quit working or ask for more money, because he doesn't need it."

Having "enough" has definitely raised my price tag, just like a typical ball player's.
I get what you're saying Sol - but here's the key difference as I see it:  ball players decidedly do not want their playing careers to end.  They want to keep coming to work, and hope that they can play in the majors for 20 years or more.


Coming out and saying that would tend to ruin your negotiating position. It's one thing to be willing to work for a bit less in order to remain in the location you love; it's quite another to announce that fact to the world. Even if he does intend to remain with the Nationals forever, he only does himself a disservice by refusing to speak with other teams. Looking around for other offers is the most surefire way to ensure the Nationals will offer him as close to a fair market price as they can.
I get that, but an important piece here is that he's not currently a free agent.  Currently he doesn't even have the option of negotiating with other teams.  He could easily take a 6 year contract extension for, say, $100MM.