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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2700 on: March 09, 2017, 04:29:17 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/border-crossings-huge-drop-trump-tough-talk/index.html

Cnn reports that illegal southwest border crossings fell 40% last month, a steep drop compared to seasonal averages that normally see a 10% - 20% uptick in illegal crossing numbers.

Does this mean an actual, physical, wall isn't needed?
Sigh.... nothing less trollish or more substantive to add than this? The need for a wall was not addressed in this article nor by the report from the CBP office the article references.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2701 on: March 09, 2017, 04:33:39 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/border-crossings-huge-drop-trump-tough-talk/index.html

Cnn reports that illegal southwest border crossings fell 40% last month, a steep drop compared to seasonal averages that normally see a 10% - 20% uptick in illegal crossing numbers.

Does this mean an actual, physical, wall isn't needed?
Sigh.... nothing less trollish or more substantive to add than this? The need for a wall was not addressed in this article nor by the report from the CBP office the article references.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2702 on: March 09, 2017, 04:51:30 PM »
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2703 on: March 09, 2017, 05:00:39 PM »
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2704 on: March 09, 2017, 05:57:34 PM »
I'm fascinated by all the bloggers and talking heads who notice that many Republicans have been critical of the AHCA, and then draw the conclusion that the AHCA won't pass. People: does your memory not stretch back less than a year ago, when you all said exactly the same thing about Trump being elected? I mean, getting Trump wrong was somewhat defensible. But after that result, I can't understand why anyone now thinks the Republicans won't fall in line on this.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2705 on: March 09, 2017, 06:04:15 PM »
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2706 on: March 09, 2017, 09:09:26 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/border-crossings-huge-drop-trump-tough-talk/index.html

Cnn reports that illegal southwest border crossings fell 40% last month, a steep drop compared to seasonal averages that normally see a 10% - 20% uptick in illegal crossing numbers.

Does this mean an actual, physical, wall isn't needed?

The article specifies that those numbers were people "presenting at the border," not illegal crossings outside of designated areas (which would be awfully difficult to track).

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2707 on: March 10, 2017, 02:16:14 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/border-crossings-huge-drop-trump-tough-talk/index.html

Cnn reports that illegal southwest border crossings fell 40% last month, a steep drop compared to seasonal averages that normally see a 10% - 20% uptick in illegal crossing numbers.

Does this mean an actual, physical, wall isn't needed?

The article specifies that those numbers were people "presenting at the border," not illegal crossings outside of designated areas (which would be awfully difficult to track).
Yes, apprehensions at the border are down. This could mean that more people are sneaking in other ways, or the CBP is getting lazy and allowing more people through or that fewer people are crossing (very specifically families and unescorted children, according to the article.) Take your pick of reasons, but the drastic drop, far outside of seasonal norms over the last 17 years, and changes in demographics of the illegal immigrants who are caught suggest the last option much more strongly than the others.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2708 on: March 11, 2017, 05:17:58 AM »
One of the realistic impacts of a Trump Presidency is apparently that you appoint a foreign agent as National Security Adviser.  Either knowingly (which must be treasonous) or unknowingly (which demonstates staggering incompetence).

How much longer before both Trump and Pence are ushered out of the White House and into prison?
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2709 on: March 11, 2017, 05:20:12 AM »
One of the realistic impacts of a Trump Presidency is apparently that you appoint a foreign agent as National Security Adviser.  Either knowingly (which must be treasonous) or unknowingly (which demonstates staggering incompetence).

How much longer before both Trump and Pence are ushered out of the White House and into prison?
Does that mean Ryan becomes president?
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2710 on: March 11, 2017, 06:12:19 AM »
One of the realistic impacts of a Trump Presidency is apparently that you appoint a foreign agent as National Security Adviser.  Either knowingly (which must be treasonous) or unknowingly (which demonstates staggering incompetence).

How much longer before both Trump and Pence are ushered out of the White House and into prison?
Does that mean Ryan becomes president?
I'm not sure how, if at all, the USA's much-vaunted constitution is going to come into play here.  Trump has just sacked 46 Federal prosecutors without having replacements even nominated to take their places.  Including sacking the chief New York prosecutor whose jurisdiction includes the Trump organisation, despite having previously specifically asked him to stay on.

In any other country (Russia, Turkey) I would say all this looked like the start of a coup.  I'm no longer certain that a coup is not happening in the USA.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2711 on: March 11, 2017, 06:50:06 AM »
One of the realistic impacts of a Trump Presidency is apparently that you appoint a foreign agent as National Security Adviser.  Either knowingly (which must be treasonous) or unknowingly (which demonstates staggering incompetence).

How much longer before both Trump and Pence are ushered out of the White House and into prison?
Does that mean Ryan becomes president?
I'm not sure how, if at all, the USA's much-vaunted constitution is going to come into play here.  Trump has just sacked 46 Federal prosecutors without having replacements even nominated to take their places.  Including sacking the chief New York prosecutor whose jurisdiction includes the Trump organisation, despite having previously specifically asked him to stay on.

In any other country (Russia, Turkey) I would say all this looked like the start of a coup.  I'm no longer certain that a coup is not happening in the USA.
You did read that this is a common occurance; most of these positions are replaced with every new administration.  This is not really a shocking development, and to informed persons, hardly any more of sign of a coup (can the party that was voted into power even perform a coup?) Than when Obama or Bush or Clinton replaced the same positions.

Of course it was handled with all the trademark delicacy of a bull on bath salts marching through a glass factory, but the actual removal of these people is not unprecedented in anyway.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2712 on: March 11, 2017, 07:17:01 AM »
You did read that this is a common occurance; most of these positions are replaced with every new administration.  This is not really a shocking development, and to informed persons, hardly any more of sign of a coup (can the party that was voted into power even perform a coup?) Than when Obama or Bush or Clinton replaced the same positions.

Of course it was handled with all the trademark delicacy of a bull on bath salts marching through a glass factory, but the actual removal of these people is not unprecedented in anyway.
It's the way it was handled that's the problem.  If I were suspicious (and frankly I'm suspicious of everything being done in the White House at the moment) I would say that the instant sacking of so many, without replacements nominated, was to cover the otherwise inexplicable sacking of the New York prosecutor who just a couple of months ago was personally asked to stay on by Trump and Sessions.  Why would Trump be afraid of a judicial investigation into his activities?  Why wouldn't he, with what is going on?  Now he can put his own placeman in the role and stop there being a judicial investigation into the Trump organisation and the Trump campaign.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2713 on: March 11, 2017, 07:26:30 AM »
Meh. I try to avoid suspicions of machinations when simple incompetence will explain.

I don't know much about Preet Bharara; what exactly would Trump stand to gain by sacking him in a "covered" manner as opposed to publicly? Seems since Trump kept the acting deputy attorney general and the man below him, so the leadership is still there more or less.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2714 on: March 11, 2017, 07:30:36 AM »
Meh. I try to avoid suspicions of machinations when simple incompetence will explain.

I don't know much about Preet Bharara; what exactly would Trump stand to gain by sacking him in a "covered" manner as opposed to publicly? Seems since Trump kept the acting deputy attorney general and the man below him, so the leadership is still there more or less.
The problem Trump is trying to cover up is his complete 180 in such a short period of time.  And whoever is appointed to the position, the people in the jobs underneath them will either have to obey orders or resign/be sacked, right?
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2715 on: March 11, 2017, 07:37:33 AM »
Meh. I try to avoid suspicions of machinations when simple incompetence will explain.

I don't know much about Preet Bharara; what exactly would Trump stand to gain by sacking him in a "covered" manner as opposed to publicly? Seems since Trump kept the acting deputy attorney general and the man below him, so the leadership is still there more or less.
The problem Trump is trying to cover up is his complete 180 in such a short period of time.  And whoever is appointed to the position, the people in the jobs underneath them will either have to obey orders or resign/be sacked, right?
Yeah, that's kinda how the government works at that level, I guess. Seems to have been the expectations in every other administration of the past few decades.

Just so I  understand, you are suggesting that Trump decided to sack Bharara, after allegedly telling Bharara that he wouldn't, and to cover it up, and for no other reason, he sacked a few dozen other people in the same department, merely to disguise the fact that he fired Bhahara?
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2716 on: March 11, 2017, 07:41:20 AM »
Meh. I try to avoid suspicions of machinations when simple incompetence will explain.

I don't know much about Preet Bharara; what exactly would Trump stand to gain by sacking him in a "covered" manner as opposed to publicly? Seems since Trump kept the acting deputy attorney general and the man below him, so the leadership is still there more or less.
The problem Trump is trying to cover up is his complete 180 in such a short period of time.  And whoever is appointed to the position, the people in the jobs underneath them will either have to obey orders or resign/be sacked, right?
Yeah, that's kinda how the government works at that level, I guess. Seems to have been the expectations in every other administration of the past few decades.

Just so I  understand, you are suggesting that Trump decided to sack Bharara, after allegedly telling Bharara that he wouldn't, and to cover it up, and for no other reason, he sacked a few dozen other people in the same department, merely to disguise the fact that he fired Bhahara?
Yes.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2717 on: March 11, 2017, 07:53:22 AM »
Meh. I try to avoid suspicions of machinations when simple incompetence will explain.

I don't know much about Preet Bharara; what exactly would Trump stand to gain by sacking him in a "covered" manner as opposed to publicly? Seems since Trump kept the acting deputy attorney general and the man below him, so the leadership is still there more or less.
The problem Trump is trying to cover up is his complete 180 in such a short period of time.  And whoever is appointed to the position, the people in the jobs underneath them will either have to obey orders or resign/be sacked, right?
Yeah, that's kinda how the government works at that level, I guess. Seems to have been the expectations in every other administration of the past few decades.

Just so I  understand, you are suggesting that Trump decided to sack Bharara, after allegedly telling Bharara that he wouldn't, and to cover it up, and for no other reason, he sacked a few dozen other people in the same department, merely to disguise the fact that he fired Bhahara?
Yes.
Thank you for clarification.  This is an interesting theory.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2718 on: March 11, 2017, 03:29:16 PM »
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2719 on: March 12, 2017, 03:41:47 AM »
Yes, but none of them were the Preet Bharara
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2720 on: March 12, 2017, 08:20:04 AM »
Funny thing that I hadn't considered, I'm in China and typed in Donald Trump just to see what material would come up.  Here is the result
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2721 on: March 13, 2017, 12:55:42 AM »
Trump and email:
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2722 on: March 15, 2017, 05:16:12 PM »
It looks like another two impacts of the Trump presidency are:

1) the number of unconstitutional executive actions he's going to take... travel ban #2 struck down
2) Dutch election populist guy did worse than expected... could it be that people are seeing Trump and don't want right-wing pseudo populists running their country?


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« Reply #2723 on: March 16, 2017, 06:25:23 AM »
It looks like another two impacts of the Trump presidency are:

1) the number of unconstitutional executive actions he's going to take... travel ban #2 struck down
2) Dutch election populist guy did worse than expected... could it be that people are seeing Trump and don't want right-wing pseudo populists running their country?

Travel Ban 2.0 has only been suspended pending formal litigation. It isn't a ruling on the constitutionality.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2724 on: March 16, 2017, 03:15:13 PM »
It looks like another two impacts of the Trump presidency are:

1) the number of unconstitutional executive actions he's going to take... travel ban #2 struck down
2) Dutch election populist guy did worse than expected... could it be that people are seeing Trump and don't want right-wing pseudo populists running their country?

About 2: it has something to do with seeing Trump and Brexit, sure. It also has something (if not more) to do with a certain Turkish president that is behaving quite rude lately, causing some upheaval because he wasn't allowed to do propaganda activities in the NL for his Turkish referendum. Which in turn gave the prime minister a chance to act to that, and thus gain some popularity for "standing up to Turkey" just days prior to the elections. Prime minister still lost votes, but not as many as was feared. Populist-guy won, but not as much as predicted. However it is (and was, even prior to this Turkey business) certain that the Populist (that is, Wilders) would and will not be part of the government, as none of the other parties is willing to work with him.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2725 on: March 16, 2017, 04:17:01 PM »
The Onion could run this again as new news (with a few name changes)
http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-liberals-suffering-from-outrage-fatigue-1190
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2726 on: March 16, 2017, 04:34:53 PM »
The Onion could run this again as new news (with a few name changes)
http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-liberals-suffering-from-outrage-fatigue-1190

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2727 on: March 16, 2017, 04:38:39 PM »
The Onion could run this again as new news (with a few name changes)
http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-liberals-suffering-from-outrage-fatigue-1190

I like how conservatives focus on the outrage, rather than on the outrageous.
I can't believe how few conservatives are outraged by most of what Trump is doing. He's no true conservative, and is clearly following through on Bannon's vision of deconstructing the administrative state.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2728 on: March 16, 2017, 05:43:06 PM »
The Onion could run this again as new news (with a few name changes)
http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-liberals-suffering-from-outrage-fatigue-1190

I like how conservatives focus on the outrage, rather than on the outrageous.
I can't believe how few conservatives are outraged by most of what Trump is doing. He's no true conservative, and is clearly following through on Bannon's vision of deconstructing the administrative state.

Some well versed conservatives are probably happy to go along with him still simply because he is mostly doing things they want. Putting forth a mandate to slash fed spending, returning more power to states. Cutting taxes in the ACA and in general. Doubling down against immigration, especially of unfavorable minorities. The budget is statement is basically through and through Republican. Cut every federal program and increase defense spending. Goes right in line with those who think the only major function of the fed should be defense. Leave the rest to the states...

Its reasonably clear from polling and just talking to an average person who doesn't think much about politics that people are so entrenched that they will view anything their chosen candidate does in a favorable light and discount all detractors.

I get that a lot of conservatives think we are crazy for putting too much stock in man made climate change, but I am curious what some more thoughtful conservatives think about the gutting of the EPA, and what they would thing about its complete elimination.

It seems from a cursory analysis that we already know what the US looks like with no EPA and it we ditch we will likely have to crawl back to a similar program in a few decades after a handful of states go all out and render their industrial regions unlivable and the while draining jobs from reasonably regulated states.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2729 on: March 16, 2017, 06:11:32 PM »
It seems from a cursory analysis that we already know what the US looks like with no EPA and it we ditch we will likely have to crawl back to a similar program in a few decades after a handful of states go all out and render their industrial regions unlivable and the while draining jobs from reasonably regulated states.

That's what really gets me about all these changes -- it's *completely predictable* what will happen without regulatory agencies. We know what the consequences are -- that's why we created the agencies! And yet so many people and animals and ecosystems will suffer and die because of it. It's so fucking dumb.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2730 on: March 16, 2017, 07:12:31 PM »
And yet so many people and animals and ecosystems will suffer and die because of it. It's so fucking dumb.

Yes but think of the profits!

The republican party doesn't care about animals or ecosystems, just like it doesn't care about healthcare or poor people.  It only cares about corporate profits.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2731 on: March 17, 2017, 05:13:17 AM »
And yet so many people and animals and ecosystems will suffer and die because of it. It's so fucking dumb.

Yes but think of the profits!

The republican party doesn't care about animals or ecosystems, just like it doesn't care about healthcare or poor people.  It only cares about corporate profits.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2732 on: March 17, 2017, 05:39:19 AM »
And yet so many people and animals and ecosystems will suffer and die because of it. It's so fucking dumb.

Yes but think of the profits!

The republican party doesn't care about animals or ecosystems, just like it doesn't care about healthcare or poor people.  It only cares about corporate profits.
I thougth the invisible hand and free market was going to take care of all that? If we just get people to use their purchase power to choose to buy from corporations who treat the animals nicely, all the bad and greedy corporations will go bankrupt, and only the nice ones will remain. It is the governments regulations that are causing pollution, with all the paper forms,  and horrible regulations that prevent the corporations from choosing the really environmental friendly solutions. Like cars that run on H20, fusion reactors, etc.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2733 on: March 17, 2017, 07:59:33 AM »
And yet so many people and animals and ecosystems will suffer and die because of it. It's so fucking dumb.

Yes but think of the profits!

The republican party doesn't care about animals or ecosystems, just like it doesn't care about healthcare or poor people.  It only cares about corporate profits.

They used to have the facade of compassionate conservatism.  Now we have Mulvaney explaining how it is compassionate to cut Meals on Wheels.   

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2734 on: March 17, 2017, 08:10:11 AM »
Someone should tell them that environmental conversation is literally conservative.

I do wonder how many decades it will take to undo all the damage that is being proposed... :(

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« Reply #2735 on: March 17, 2017, 08:15:37 AM »
According to Spicer, apparently President Obama didn't want to ask any of his own 17 security agencies to spy on Trump so he asked the Brits to do it instead.

I'm trying to work out his channels for doing this.  Did he call up the British Ambassador in Washington to relay the request?  That would have been a breach of protocol: he should have asked the Secretary of State to make the call.  Or did Obama find out the telephone number for GCHQ (you can look it up on line) and call direct?  "Hello, President Obama of the USA here, can you wiretap Donald Trump in Trump Tower and send me the transcripts?"

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2736 on: March 17, 2017, 08:30:02 AM »
According to Spicer, apparently President Obama didn't want to ask any of his own 17 security agencies to spy on Trump so he asked the Brits to do it instead.

I'm trying to work out his channels for doing this.  Did he call up the British Ambassador in Washington to relay the request?  That would have been a breach of protocol: he should have asked the Secretary of State to make the call.  Or did Obama find out the telephone number for GCHQ (you can look it up on line) and call direct?  "Hello, President Obama of the USA here, can you wiretap Donald Trump in Trump Tower and send me the transcripts?"

No, I'm at a loss.
About that. You probably won't be hearing about this on Fox and Friends any time soon.

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The US has made a formal apology to Britain after the White House accused GCHQ of helping Barack Obama spy on Donald Trump in the White House.

Sean Spicer, Mr Trump's press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November's election.
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Intelligence sources told The Telegraph that both Mr Spicer and General McMaster, the US National Security Adviser, have apologised over the claims. "The apology came direct from them," a source said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/

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The White House has promised allegations that GCHQ spied on Donald Trump will "not be repeated", according to the Prime Minister's official spokesman.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-17/white-house-promises-allegations-that-gchq-spied-on-trump-will-not-be-repeated/

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2737 on: March 17, 2017, 09:13:48 AM »
So the Trump administration is literally getting its "intelligence" from Fox and Breitbart now, while shunning actual intelligence. I can't even...
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2738 on: March 17, 2017, 09:30:42 AM »
So what will Trump do in case of a very real emergency? He throws fictional allegations around left and right. What happens in a real crisis defined by real facts offered by intelligence agencies he rejects?

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2739 on: March 17, 2017, 09:42:52 AM »
So what will Trump do in case of a very real emergency? He throws fictional allegations around left and right. What happens in a real crisis defined by real facts offered by intelligence agencies he rejects?
Sounds about right.
Is it not awesome to know your commander and chief gets his intelligence cues from Infowars!

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2740 on: March 17, 2017, 09:48:03 AM »
So what will Trump do in case of a very real emergency? He throws fictional allegations around left and right. What happens in a real crisis defined by real facts offered by intelligence agencies he rejects?

They're getting into a "boy who cries wolf" situation. Why even bothering going to the press room? Spicer is going to lie about it anyway.

After this is all said and done, how long will it take for Spicer to realize that he left his integrity at the WH door?

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2741 on: March 17, 2017, 09:51:02 AM »
Trump seriously needs to be removed.  He is going to get us all killed.  I never thought I would be glad to see Pence as President.

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« Reply #2742 on: March 17, 2017, 09:55:28 AM »
Trump seriously needs to be removed.  He is going to get us all killed.  I never thought I would be glad to see Pence as President.
And this is why the GOP is supporting Trump.  It makes them and Pence look reasonable.  Yet, all Trump is doing is what the GOP wants.  I would reconsider your gladness.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2743 on: March 17, 2017, 10:01:57 AM »
Trump seriously needs to be removed.  He is going to get us all killed.  I never thought I would be glad to see Pence as President.

Maybe that's the long game here.  To teach America to be thankful and appreciative of a condescending and paternalistic white male conservative who will quietly work to undermine American values, because that's so clearly preferable to the brazenly offensive and paternalistic white male conservative who tears down American values with childlike giddiness just because be wants to watch the country burn.

I agree, Pence would make a better president.  I would be offended but not ashamed.

But maybe that's a good thing?  If America instead learns the lesson that paternalistic white male conservatives are just anti-American, and trump continues to flounder for four years, maybe the nation can emerge in 2020 with clearer eyes and start repairing some of the damage republicans have wrought.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2744 on: March 17, 2017, 10:16:00 AM »
Meals on wheels is on the chopping block now.  Frail old people can go F themselves.

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« Reply #2745 on: March 17, 2017, 10:21:15 AM »
Some well versed conservatives are probably happy to go along with him still simply because he is mostly doing things they want. Putting forth a mandate to slash fed spending, returning more power to states.

Didn't he propose to increase spending in the budget that was published yesterday?

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2746 on: March 17, 2017, 10:43:06 AM »
Didn't he propose to increase spending in the budget that was published yesterday?

Yes he's increasing spending, but only because Mexico is refusing to pay for the wall so your taxes will have to do it instead.

Except he's also cutting taxes, so really it's just more deficit spending.  But hey at least we'll be ready for that upcoming war with iran!  Fiscal responsibility is a campaign issue only, it seems, freely discarded when it comes time to govern.

The emails I've been getting at work have been hilarious.  They say all kinds of encouraging things about this budget strengthening our programs, improving our security, protecting our resources, and directly supporting our mission, and oh btw it's a huge budget cut and were going to have to fire a bunch of you because there's not enough funding in it to keep the lights on.  Such a joke.

I'll be watching for the analogous messaging if they pass the AHCA.  I expect they'll claim they are "strengthening and protecting" Medicaid by cutting $880 billion from its budget.

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« Reply #2747 on: March 17, 2017, 11:07:19 AM »
But maybe that's a good thing?  If America instead learns the lesson that paternalistic white male conservatives are just anti-American, and trump continues to flounder for four years, maybe the nation can emerge in 2020 with clearer eyes and start repairing some of the damage republicans have wrought.

This is very optimistic in that you assume that Americans will learn and revise their beliefs instead of doubling down and blaming someone else.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2748 on: March 17, 2017, 11:09:23 AM »
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #2749 on: March 17, 2017, 11:12:29 AM »
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