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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1500 on: January 27, 2017, 01:04:13 PM »
Similarly, he had said he would defer to Mattis on using torture, and Mattis opposes it.

In that context, maybe this is just buying himself political cover?  This way he can still say he wants to torture people, and get lots of republicans excited about that evil, without actually be charged for war crimes.

so... "I'd waterboard the hell outta those people, but Mattis won't let me?"
Sounds so schoolyard-esque.
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« Reply #1501 on: January 27, 2017, 01:07:40 PM »
Trump in press Conference with British PM May today.

I see this as the largest reason for optimism.

Why?  This seems like the biggest example of a shifting baseline.  It shouldn't even be noteworthy that the new US President met with the PM of our most reliable ally for the past 100 years.  But it is, such has become life around Washington...

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1502 on: January 27, 2017, 01:20:25 PM »
Trump in press Conference with British PM May today.

I see this as the largest reason for optimism.

Why?  This seems like the biggest example of a shifting baseline.  It shouldn't even be noteworthy that the new US President met with the PM of our most reliable ally for the past 100 years.  But it is, such has become life around Washington...

Should have read

I see this as the largest reason for optimism:


The semi colon should have shown the reason was coming(Kelly "in charge"), not the simple fact that they met. Edited original post

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1503 on: January 27, 2017, 01:25:16 PM »
Trump in press Conference with British PM May today.

I see this as the largest reason for optimism.

Why?  This seems like the biggest example of a shifting baseline.  It shouldn't even be noteworthy that the new US President met with the PM of our most reliable ally for the past 100 years.  But it is, such has become life around Washington...

Should have read

I see this as the largest reason for optimism:


The semi colon should have shown the reason was coming(Kelly "in charge"), not the simple fact that they met. Edited original post
ah - thanks for the clarification.
I was getting my dander up thinking that "optimism" was suddenly in order anytime DJT didn't start an international incident.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1504 on: January 27, 2017, 01:42:36 PM »
Similarly, he had said he would defer to Mattis on using torture, and Mattis opposes it.

In that context, maybe this is just buying himself political cover?  This way he can still say he wants to torture people, and get lots of republicans excited about that evil, without actually be charged for war crimes.

You are correct. That part was Mattis, not Kelly. Edited original, again.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1505 on: January 27, 2017, 04:51:58 PM »
It'll be interesting to see how the US government plans to build the wall given that so much of the land they'll be building on belongs to private citizens.  Will they just appropriate the land outright, will they build the wall behind this land, or what?

They will use eminent domain. the land owners would be "fairly compensated" (with the government defining fair), but in the end they would not get to say no.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1506 on: January 27, 2017, 04:54:36 PM »
Another impact.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1507 on: January 27, 2017, 04:57:02 PM »
They will use eminent domain.

I bet not.

We just don't DO eminent domain anymore.  To modern sensibilities, that's considered government overreach and theft of personal property, and it's the most unAmerican thing imaginable.  You might as well eat a bald eagle.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1508 on: January 27, 2017, 05:01:23 PM »
They will use eminent domain.

I bet not.

We just don't DO eminent domain anymore.  To modern sensibilities, that's considered government overreach and theft of personal property, and it's the most unAmerican thing imaginable.  You might as well eat a bald eagle.

"We" don't, but Trump does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/19/donald-trumps-abuse-of-eminent-domain/?utm_term=.bf0bc66e4960

So I bet he'll propose it. And won't understand why it could be in the least problematic.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1509 on: January 27, 2017, 05:34:13 PM »
Similarly, he had said he would defer to Mattis on using torture, and Mattis opposes it.

In that context, maybe this is just buying himself political cover?  This way he can still say he wants to torture people, and get lots of republicans excited about that evil, without actually be charged for war crimes.

I don't know that Trump really cares about political cover. I mean, he has literally said "I happen to feel that it (torture)does work, I've been open about that for a long period of time, but I am going with our leaders and we are going to win with or without (torture)." He honestly believes, despite the experts telling him otherwise, that torture works.

But, he also said "Mattis said that he doesn't intend to use it. I'm with him all the way." He's not going to force anyone to torture other people (not that he could do that, I guess), and presumably he is not going to be torturing people himself; so his views are just that: his views. So no war crimes, as no one is going to be torturing anyone. And even when they did torture prisoners - I don't recall anyone in an administration being charged with anything.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1510 on: January 27, 2017, 07:28:01 PM »
Impact #527 - Poor bigots (and some poor non-bigots, to be fair) will realize they've been had by the billionaires AGAIN, and blame everyone and everything except their own poor choices and bad luck AGAIN, and then probably re-elect the same billionaire.
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« Reply #1511 on: January 27, 2017, 09:08:05 PM »
They will use eminent domain.

I bet not.

We just don't DO eminent domain anymore.  To modern sensibilities, that's considered government overreach and theft of personal property, and it's the most unAmerican thing imaginable.  You might as well eat a bald eagle.

Are you kidding me? Have you followed anything about the Dakota Access pipeline?

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1512 on: January 27, 2017, 09:33:19 PM »
Are you kidding me? Have you followed anything about the Dakota Access pipeline?

Yes, in great detail, and I stand by my original assertion.

There was a time in America when the federal government routinely relocated entire towns, by force, for the good of the nation.  These days, federal infrastructure programs are routinely stymied by nosy neighborhood watch groups who think every local landmark belongs on the national historic register.

And don't even get me started on the Indians.  Guess what we took from them?

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1513 on: January 27, 2017, 09:45:52 PM »
Are you kidding me? Have you followed anything about the Dakota Access pipeline?

Yes, in great detail, and I stand by my original assertion.

There was a time in America when the federal government routinely relocated entire towns, by force, for the good of the nation.  These days, federal infrastructure programs are routinely stymied by nosy neighborhood watch groups who think every local landmark belongs on the national historic register.

And don't even get me started on the Indians.  Guess what we took from them?

I don't think eminent domain was used on any Native American lands regarding the DAPL. In fact, it doesn't even run through any Native American lands...  Eminent domain was used in Iowa though, for its construction.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1514 on: January 27, 2017, 09:55:45 PM »
I don't think eminent domain was used on any Native American lands regarding the DAPL.

I didn't mean that we stole land from the Indians to build a pipeline.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1515 on: January 28, 2017, 05:50:45 AM »
It shouldn't even be noteworthy that the new US President met with the PM of our most reliable ally for the past 100 years. 

I'm hoping that she was persuading him to build a big deep moat round the country, like we have for most of Britain. So much classier than a wall.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1516 on: January 28, 2017, 07:53:07 AM »
They will use eminent domain.

I bet not.

We just don't DO eminent domain anymore.  To modern sensibilities, that's considered government overreach and theft of personal property, and it's the most unAmerican thing imaginable.  You might as well eat a bald eagle.

Are you kidding me? Have you followed anything about the Dakota Access pipeline?

Eminent domain has been used less and less by the federal government, in part because lawsuits to protect homeownership have been so successful at blocking and/or delaying projects. One of the burdens the federal government will have is that there could be thousands of land owners fighting loss of their land, and these all have to be litigated separately.

The courts require fair compensation to the land owners (which itself is a point of intense arguing) as well as proof that an alternative route is not feasible.  Since large sections of the boarder wall/fence is already not built on the actual border plaintiffs could argue that the fence should be moved off their property.

FOr a modern example, check out the eminent domain problems that have occurred in California trying to build the high-speed rail from SF to LA.  Last I looked >50% of the total cost was tied up with eminent domain.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1517 on: January 28, 2017, 08:22:07 AM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again. 

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« Reply #1518 on: January 28, 2017, 08:37:28 AM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.
Jobs have been returning for eight years and our unemployment is near all-time lows, and essentially none of that has been due to the current, 7 day old administration. Giving up many of these regulations will give us negligable short-term gains but long-term problems. Of course DJT could torpedo everything with a few ego-driven trade wars.  Nice trolling
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« Reply #1519 on: January 28, 2017, 10:12:50 AM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.

Really?  Lots of jobs returning and companies investing in the last 7 days that weren't already planning to do so?  Please back this up with actual facts, or should I say alternative facts?

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« Reply #1520 on: January 28, 2017, 10:42:34 AM »
Looks like Muslims with green cards and H1-B visas who have been out of the country are being blocked from returning.   Hard to know how many will be stopped though.   Linky  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/five-iraqis-one-yemeni-barred-from-flight-after-trump-ban/article33818104/


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« Reply #1521 on: January 28, 2017, 10:46:37 AM »
Looks like Muslims with green cards and H1-B visas who have been out of the country are being blocked from returning.   Hard to know how many will be stopped though.   Linky  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/five-iraqis-one-yemeni-barred-from-flight-after-trump-ban/article33818104/

Seems like we're continuing the approach of using a sledgehammer and buzzsaw for problem solving, carnage-be-damned.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1522 on: January 28, 2017, 10:51:56 AM »
Looks like Muslims with green cards and H1-B visas who have been out of the country are being blocked from returning.   Hard to know how many will be stopped though.   Linky  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/five-iraqis-one-yemeni-barred-from-flight-after-trump-ban/article33818104/

Any bets on how long it takes the Supreme Court to declare this particular form of religious discrimination to be unconstitutional? 

I think it will take at at least two or three years, to find a party with standing and then work its way up through the court system to the Supremes.  The only possible way to avoid this outcome, I think, is if Trump's justice department stops appealing all of the consistent lower court decisions that will tell him it's unconstitutional every day, from day one onwards.

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« Reply #1523 on: January 28, 2017, 11:00:18 AM »
Looks like Muslims with green cards and H1-B visas who have been out of the country are being blocked from returning.   Hard to know how many will be stopped though.   Linky  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/five-iraqis-one-yemeni-barred-from-flight-after-trump-ban/article33818104/

Preventing permanent residents from returning to their home. This is super shitty. Where exactly are they supposed to go when they live here? Presumably they also have jobs and responsibilities in the United States, AKA the place where they permanently, legally live.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1524 on: January 28, 2017, 11:31:10 AM »
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/google-recalls-staff-to-us-after-trump-immigration-order/article33818090/

We are generally  quite fond of tax payers in Northern Europe, so if google and Facebook need a new place to locate their employees with "wrong" backgrounds, I'm sure we can reach a solution that benefits both sides: https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/google-recalls-staff-to-us-after-trump-immigration-order/article33818090/
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1525 on: January 28, 2017, 11:40:15 AM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.
Jobs have been returning for eight years and our unemployment is near all-time lows, and essentially none of that has been due to the current, 7 day old administration. Giving up many of these regulations will give us negligable short-term gains but long-term problems. Of course DJT could torpedo everything with a few ego-driven trade wars.  Nice trolling


You are right. The economy is booming.  Can't believe Trump won with such an exploding economy since Clinton promised more of the same policies as the last 8 years. People just must be crazy and not realize how good they have it.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1526 on: January 28, 2017, 11:40:39 AM »
Nooo,  come to Canada.    Help us rebuild our tech base.   
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1527 on: January 28, 2017, 12:14:43 PM »
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No.  We really should build a wall to prevent that.  Remember:

When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1528 on: January 28, 2017, 12:17:09 PM »
Nooo,  come to Canada.    Help us rebuild our tech base.   
Public  health care and a Liberal government await you!

No.  We really should build a wall to prevent that.  Remember:

When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I don't think you guys will need to worry.

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« Reply #1529 on: January 28, 2017, 12:44:54 PM »
Nooo,  come to Canada.    Help us rebuild our tech base.   
Public  health care and a Liberal government await you!

No.  We really should build a wall to prevent that.  Remember:

When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I don't think you guys will need to worry.

Working at a Canadian research institution I can't help but notice the number of extremely bright, well educated and driven people from the countries DJT has restricted that have populated our department over the last few years.  Several of them have been debating whether they should apply for jobs in the US once they get their graduate degrees.  I'm fairly certain this will turn many of them off.

Such a damn shame, and such a loss for the US.  On the plus side, good for Canada!
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1530 on: January 28, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.
Jobs have been returning for eight years and our unemployment is near all-time lows, and essentially none of that has been due to the current, 7 day old administration. Giving up many of these regulations will give us negligable short-term gains but long-term problems. Of course DJT could torpedo everything with a few ego-driven trade wars.  Nice trolling


You are right. The economy is booming.  Can't believe Trump won with such an exploding economy since Clinton promised more of the same policies as the last 8 years. People just must be crazy and not realize how good they have it.

Trump won because of the electoral college not because he was more popular. Clinton garnered nearly 3 million more votes and nearly 400,000 more than Obama. 

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1531 on: January 28, 2017, 12:53:04 PM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.
Jobs have been returning for eight years and our unemployment is near all-time lows, and essentially none of that has been due to the current, 7 day old administration. Giving up many of these regulations will give us negligable short-term gains but long-term problems. Of course DJT could torpedo everything with a few ego-driven trade wars.  Nice trolling


You are right. The economy is booming.  Can't believe Trump won with such an exploding economy since Clinton promised more of the same policies as the last 8 years. People just must be crazy and not realize how good they have it.

Trump won because of the electoral college not because he was more popular. Clinton garnered nearly 3 million more votes and nearly 400,000 more than Obama.

I know, it was awesome how they were able to switch the election from a popular vote to the electoral college at the last minute. Clinton never saw it coming.

Plus, a bunch of KKK moved to Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,  Florida and Wisconsin between 2012 and 2016.  Because surely people who elected a black president wouldn't vote for racist Trump.  Damn republicans.
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« Reply #1532 on: January 28, 2017, 01:18:49 PM »

I know, it was awesome how they were able to switch the election from a popular vote to the electoral college at the last minute. Clinton never saw it coming.

Plus, a bunch of KKK moved to Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,  Florida and Wisconsin between 2012 and 2016.  Because surely people who elected a black president wouldn't vote for racist Trump.  Damn republicans.

Besides spouting non-sense, what exactly is your point?
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1533 on: January 28, 2017, 02:03:25 PM »

I know, it was awesome how they were able to switch the election from a popular vote to the electoral college at the last minute. Clinton never saw it coming.

Plus, a bunch of KKK moved to Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,  Florida and Wisconsin between 2012 and 2016.  Because surely people who elected a black president wouldn't vote for racist Trump.  Damn republicans.

Besides spouting non-sense, what exactly is your point?

I have spouted no nonsense. My point is that I expect to see major growth in the economy and a GDP back up in the 3 range, something Obama (the first president ever) could not do.  We are going to have a pro-business environment now.

At the rate democrats are going, Union money might be heading to republican campaigns for the next cycle.  Democrats are in a very precarious spot right now.  Do they keep moving further left or actually try to help what use to be their core base, average, blue collar, middle-class Americans.  But to do so, they will have to work with Trump who is already one step ahead of them. They will be damned if they do, damned if they don't.  Do they vote against legislation designed to open more factories in the U.S. or vote with Trump's plans.  My guess is democrats make the same mistake and continue to spout off about refugees and immigration while ignoring working class America.

Going to be a long 4 years for some of you, especially after the midterms. Democrats are defending tons of seats in the senate.  Not looking good for them.  They were expected to lose seats even before Trump won the election. Plus democrats never turn out for midterms.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/306210-10-senate-seats-that-could-flip-in-2018

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/senate-democrats-2018-midterms-231516

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« Reply #1534 on: January 28, 2017, 02:30:27 PM »
I have spouted no nonsense.
ah, but much of what you've said has stretches the truth to put it mildly.
as examples:
"maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years"
Real GDP growth was under 3% for W. Bush Sr., Nixon, Ford and Truman.  Post WWII average has been 2.9%So - misleading to say "we have not seen for 8 years"
"democrats never turn out for midterms."
Demonstrably false. In general turnout is lower for midterms, but the pattern is that the party not holding the white house turns out in greater numbers.  THis occurred in 2014 and 2010 for the republicans, as well as 2006 and 2002 for the democrats.
"Clinton promised more of the same policies as the last 8 years"
apparently you weren't paying attention to her platform.

I do agree with what you said about people "not realizing how good they ahve it". While many like to complain about wages being 'stagnant' it is equally true that they are also as high as they have ever been. What has happened is that people feel poorer than before, and that's in no small part because of rising expectations.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1535 on: January 28, 2017, 04:28:35 PM »
They will use eminent domain.

I bet not.

We just don't DO eminent domain anymore.  To modern sensibilities, that's considered government overreach and theft of personal property, and it's the most unAmerican thing imaginable.  You might as well eat a bald eagle.

They can't put the border somewhere else. If they build the wall, they will use eminent domain. As for sensibilities, are you kidding? We are talking about Donald J Trump.

The Keystone pipeline is already making extensive use of eminent domain in Texas.
 
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1536 on: January 28, 2017, 05:38:31 PM »
Implications so far look really good. Get some of these regulations rolled back and maybe we can see GDP growth above 3%. something we have not seen for 8 years.  Jobs are returning and companies are investing in the United States again.
Jobs have been returning for eight years and our unemployment is near all-time lows, and essentially none of that has been due to the current, 7 day old administration. Giving up many of these regulations will give us negligable short-term gains but long-term problems. Of course DJT could torpedo everything with a few ego-driven trade wars.  Nice trolling


You are right. The economy is booming.  Can't believe Trump won with such an exploding economy since Clinton promised more of the same policies as the last 8 years. People just must be crazy and not realize how good they have it.

Trump won because of the electoral college not because he was more popular. Clinton garnered nearly 3 million more votes and nearly 400,000 more than Obama.

I know, it was awesome how they were able to switch the election from a popular vote to the electoral college at the last minute. Clinton never saw it coming.

Plus, a bunch of KKK moved to Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,  Florida and Wisconsin between 2012 and 2016.  Because surely people who elected a black president wouldn't vote for racist Trump.  Damn republicans.

Ahhh, I got suckered in by the troll.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1537 on: January 28, 2017, 05:42:50 PM »
Ahhh, I got suckered in by the troll.

Don't feel bad, there's a lot of that going around.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1538 on: January 28, 2017, 05:52:00 PM »
Widespread depression and debilitating angst? This is all so hard to watch. Aside from being evil and callous and harmful to so many people and our national interest, Trump's policies are just so incredibly stupid. My boyfriend and I have decided not to have kids, and are saving like crazy so we can flee the country as quickly as possible (yay EU and South American citizenships!). Even when Trump leaves, his supporters will still be here...which makes me pretty uncomfortable.

To be fair, his supporters have always been here. The population of the country didn't magically change overnight in early November. Trump has just given voice to a minority that has not had their voices heard for the better part of a decade.  It's a slow march, but progress is still happening. It's just not always a straight line in the direction that some people think it should go. Such is the process of checks and balances.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1539 on: January 29, 2017, 12:32:08 AM »
Ahhh, I got suckered in by the troll.

Don't feel bad, there's a lot of that going around.

My favorite part was when Obama was the first president

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1540 on: January 29, 2017, 09:38:26 AM »
Widespread depression and debilitating angst? This is all so hard to watch. Aside from being evil and callous and harmful to so many people and our national interest, Trump's policies are just so incredibly stupid. My boyfriend and I have decided not to have kids, and are saving like crazy so we can flee the country as quickly as possible (yay EU and South American citizenships!). Even when Trump leaves, his supporters will still be here...which makes me pretty uncomfortable.

Same situation here. It's saddens me, but we'd rather be someplace where people care about other people and facts.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1541 on: January 29, 2017, 10:01:46 AM »
Nooo,  come to Canada.    Help us rebuild our tech base.   
Public  health care and a Liberal government await you!

No.  We really should build a wall to prevent that.  Remember:

When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I don't think you guys will need to worry.

Since when has need ever entered a debate about building a wall?  It's all about feelings, racism and alternative facts.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1542 on: January 29, 2017, 11:01:11 AM »
Well, I wasn't looking forward to his presidency, but so far it's worse than I expected. Not just bad policy, but invompetently administered bad policy.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1543 on: January 29, 2017, 11:13:07 AM »
Since when has need ever entered a debate about building a wall?  It's all about feelings, racism and alternative facts.

I wonder if/when DJT will start talking about the need for a glorious new wall along the US/Canada border. 
It's been a sad, sad week for many.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1544 on: January 29, 2017, 11:30:09 AM »
I'm truly terrified, but I have nowhere I think my husband and I can go. We don't exactly have STEM jobs so moving to Canada seems like a dream.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1545 on: January 29, 2017, 11:41:12 AM »
As part of my quest to understand what values the GOP stands for today, I was reading over it's most recent platform.
Lots jumped out at me, but there's this in particular (emphasis added):

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We reaffirm the Constitution’s fundamental principles: limited government, separation of powers, individual liberty, and the rule of law. We denounce bigotry, racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, and religious intolerance. Therefore, we oppose discrimination based on race, sex, religion, creed, disability, or national origin and support statutes to end such discrimination. As the Party of Abraham Lincoln, we must continue to foster solutions to America’s difficult challenges when it comes to race relations today.
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Administrative Law
Article I of the Constitution directs that “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States....” For more than a century, however, Congress has delegated increasing amounts of legislative authority to executive departments, agencies, and commissions, laying the foundation for today’s vast administrative state. Unelected bureaucrats in the executive branch now write countless rules with the force of law and arbitrarily punish individuals who disobey those rules. The Constitution makes clear that these powers were granted to Congress by the people and must therefore remain solely with the people’s elected representatives. We call on Congress to begin reclaiming its constitutional powers from the bureaucratic state by requiring that major new federal regulations be approved by Congress before they can take effect, such as through the Regulation Freedom Amendment. We further affirm that courts should interpret laws as written by Congress rather than allowing executive agencies to rewrite those laws to suit administration priorities.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1546 on: January 29, 2017, 11:44:38 AM »
Since when has need ever entered a debate about building a wall?  It's all about feelings, racism and alternative facts.

I wonder if/when DJT will start talking about the need for a glorious new wall along the US/Canada border. 
It's been a sad, sad week for many.

Perhaps Trump could pitch in right around the Niagara Falls region.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1547 on: January 29, 2017, 02:19:32 PM »
Since when has need ever entered a debate about building a wall?  It's all about feelings, racism and alternative facts.

I wonder if/when DJT will start talking about the need for a glorious new wall along the US/Canada border. 
It's been a sad, sad week for many.

We have some crazy people in our Parliament too, who have become inspired by Trump and want a wall. So far it has resulted in a 250 meter long fence along the Russian border, that had to be torn down before it was finished because it was 1 cm too close to the "Peace zone". How anyone can think it is a good idea to provoke Russia, I don't know.

They have also been talking in capital letters about closing the border (against Sweden and Finland). But we have some experience from border smuggling from WW2, and while a lot of people escaped through the forests, most used the coast line. With all the islands and islets, and long parts of the border being fjords, you can easily swim across in several places. With a boat, you will be able to hide 99% of the time.

I did some simple calculations, and considering the difficult conditions along the border, and Norwegian labor laws (very strict regulations of the length of the work days, work weeks, and break time), we would need about 300 million people to enforce a closing of the border. In addition, the Sami people have UN protected rights to follow their reindeer herds across the border, and our fishermen would need to cross the coastal border control every day to get out to the fishing fields.

And then we have Spitsbergen, Jan Mayen, and Queen Maud's land (~1/6 of Antarctica). This "closed border" idea will be very expensive. On the positive side, we will get rid of the unemployment.
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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1548 on: January 29, 2017, 04:58:31 PM »
I'm truly terrified, but I have nowhere I think my husband and I can go. We don't exactly have STEM jobs so moving to Canada seems like a dream.

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Re: What are the realistic impacts of a Trump presidency?
« Reply #1549 on: January 29, 2017, 11:41:55 PM »
I'm truly terrified, but I have nowhere I think my husband and I can go. We don't exactly have STEM jobs so moving to Canada seems like a dream.

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Not sure of your backgrounds and ages, but if you haven't done so do check out the immigration points calculators for countries like Canada.

The order from this weekend has made 2 things clear to me: 1. Things can change suddenly overnight on the whim of one person, even when you're out of the country on vacation - destroying your life. 2. Even green card holders are not safe. My wife is a green card holder from China. She's not impacted by by this order now, but who knows what could happen (Say, conflict in South China Sea leading to a similar ban and maybe registry for Chinese citizens? Far-fetched, I would hope, but not unimaginable like it had been before 46% of American voters decided Trump was what we needed).

We are seriously talking about beginning the immigration process to Canada even though it would really mess up our finances since job opportunities for both of us are much better in NYC, where we are now. A job hunt could be difficult, but ultimately we'd be fine, and our total points for immigration even without a job offer should be around the minimum required for Canada.

When we moved back to the US last year, we thought it would be a semi-permanent move. Now? The writing looks to be on the wall, and we don't want to still be here when stuff really hits the fan...
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