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« Reply #550 on: June 13, 2017, 03:02:25 PM »
Five times in roughly five minutes Sessions has answered using some variation of "I cannot recall if this was discussed".

ETA:  WaPo's analysis had the following;
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The attorney general underwent a barrage of questions from the Senate Intelligence Committee, but about the only thing he could recall is that he didnít do anything wrong

All of Session's answers seemed designed to give him an 'out' should his testimony be proven later to be false.

Tomorrow morning I'm sure we'll be treated to a barrage of declairations about how this was the greatest testimony ever.
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« Reply #551 on: June 13, 2017, 03:28:43 PM »
Yep, tough to lie when you use such generic phrases. Sessions just got nailed for sticking by the Clinton excuse for firing Comey. Called out for his own contradictory statements back then and Trump admitting it was because of the Russian investigation.

Trump needs to testify next. You know since Comey lied so much. He can set the record straight!

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« Reply #552 on: June 14, 2017, 05:15:44 PM »
With an exceedingly rare, near-unanimous vote (97-2) the Senate voted today to block any efforts by the president to scale back sanctions against Russia, and to strengthen those sanctions in retaliation for Moscowís alleged interference in the 2016 election and its actions in Syria.

The two senators who voted "no" were Rand Paul and Mike Lee (both R).
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« Reply #553 on: July 05, 2017, 12:23:42 PM »

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« Reply #554 on: July 05, 2017, 01:16:52 PM »
speaking of interesting articles....

Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation, actually False
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/business/media/cnn-retracted-story-on-trump.html

Salon reports : The FBI is leading an investigation into Donald Trumpís connections with Russia, actually False, as later revealed by Comey himself.
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/the-fbi-is-leading-an-investigation-into-donald-trumps-connections-with-russia/

NY Times reports:F.B.I. Is Investigating Trumpís Russia Ties, Comey Confirms, Again False
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html?mcubz=1&_r=0

This is truly a witch hunt, and the media has already lost credibility for being so careless with their facts.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #555 on: July 05, 2017, 01:39:21 PM »
speaking of interesting articles....

Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation, actually False
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/business/media/cnn-retracted-story-on-trump.html

Salon reports : The FBI is leading an investigation into Donald Trumpís connections with Russia, actually False, as later revealed by Comey himself.
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/the-fbi-is-leading-an-investigation-into-donald-trumps-connections-with-russia/

NY Times reports:F.B.I. Is Investigating Trumpís Russia Ties, Comey Confirms, Again False
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html?mcubz=1&_r=0

This is truly a witch hunt, and the media has already lost credibility for being so careless with their facts.

I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?
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« Reply #556 on: July 05, 2017, 02:58:52 PM »
speaking of interesting articles....

Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation, actually False
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/business/media/cnn-retracted-story-on-trump.html

I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Yes, that NY Times article probably is accurate - including the part where it says "CNN was forced to apologize after retracting a story on its website that a Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation."

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« Reply #557 on: July 05, 2017, 03:34:37 PM »
Yes, a news outlet got something wrong and retracted, therefore the Russia story is 100% FAKE NEWS. Impeccable logic.

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« Reply #558 on: July 05, 2017, 03:37:03 PM »
I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Right... the NY Times article is not false, they are reporting that the CNN article claiming "Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation" was false.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #559 on: July 05, 2017, 06:09:42 PM »
I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Right... the NY Times article is not false, they are reporting that the CNN article claiming "Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation" was false.

None of this matters.
We still have Trump removing Comey because Comey was investigating Putin efforts to undermine the 2016 federal elections, and the Trump's campaign's connections to Putin.
We still have connections of Manafort and Sessions and Kushner with Putin and Kislyak.
And finally, we still don't have any Trump tax returns.

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« Reply #560 on: July 06, 2017, 07:08:39 AM »
I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Right... the NY Times article is not false, they are reporting that the CNN article claiming "Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation" was false.


And CNN admitted their fault and retracted, and fired 3 journalists over it. I'm not sure what the problem is. If anything, their actions help their credibility, rather than hurt it.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #561 on: July 06, 2017, 08:05:58 AM »
I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Right... the NY Times article is not false, they are reporting that the CNN article claiming "Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation" was false.


And CNN admitted their fault and retracted, and fired 3 journalists over it. I'm not sure what the problem is. If anything, their actions help their credibility, rather than hurt it.

Meanwhile, the Trump's extensive list of blatant bullshit claims go completely ignored by his supporters.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #562 on: July 06, 2017, 08:34:28 AM »
I read the NY Times article and couldn't find a single statement in the article that has been proven false. WTF are you talking about?

Right... the NY Times article is not false, they are reporting that the CNN article claiming "Russian bank linked to a close ally of President Trump was under Senate investigation" was false.


And CNN admitted their fault and retracted, and fired 3 journalists over it. I'm not sure what the problem is. If anything, their actions help their credibility, rather than hurt it.

Meanwhile, the Trump's extensive list of blatant bullshit claims go completely ignored by his supporters.

Nevermind Trump (because he doesn't care about being a liar), when was the last time Breitbart retracted a bullshit story?  They're still standing behind their pizzagate "reporting".
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« Reply #563 on: July 07, 2017, 08:17:10 PM »
Someone or organization is trying to plant a fake NSA document to the Rachel Maddow Show to attempt to derail investigating any Trump campaign links to Russia's efforts at altering the presidential outcome.

The link provides an interesting video link to the Rachel Maddow show which explains this fake document

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-forged-nsa-document-discredit-news-organizations_us_595ef40ce4b0d5b458e96791

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« Reply #564 on: July 08, 2017, 05:29:34 AM »
Someone or organization is trying to plant a fake NSA document to the Rachel Maddow Show to attempt to derail investigating any Trump campaign links to Russia's efforts at altering the presidential outcome.

The link provides an interesting video link to the Rachel Maddow show which explains this fake document

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-forged-nsa-document-discredit-news-organizations_us_595ef40ce4b0d5b458e96791

Don't you know, innocent folks always attempt to derail investigations when there is nothing to find.

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« Reply #565 on: July 09, 2017, 04:31:53 AM »
Well it's not even speculation anymore: DJT Jr. confirms that he, Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with a Kremlin official last June.  He claims they never spoke about the campaign, and only talked about sanctions against Russia, including adoption.
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« Reply #566 on: July 09, 2017, 09:46:19 AM »
And apparently Donnie and Putin discussed collaborating on an "impenetrable Cyber Security unit." Yeah, Putin will really help curb those millions of illegal votes being cast here in the US, good thinking DJT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753


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« Reply #567 on: July 09, 2017, 04:28:03 PM »
And apparently Donnie and Putin discussed collaborating on an "impenetrable Cyber Security unit." Yeah, Putin will really help curb those millions of illegal votes being cast here in the US, good thinking DJT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753

Too bad Bin Laden is dead. Trump could have corroborated with him to form an anti-terrorism unit.

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« Reply #568 on: July 09, 2017, 05:38:02 PM »
And apparently Donnie and Putin discussed collaborating on an "impenetrable Cyber Security unit." Yeah, Putin will really help curb those millions of illegal votes being cast here in the US, good thinking DJT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753

Too bad Bin Laden is dead. Trump could have corroborated with him to form an anti-terrorism unit.

I liked this one from DCResisterBee
"This is like the FBI asking the Mafia to form an anti-crime unit together"

I also like, "Asking Russia for advice on cyber security makes about as much sense as asking the Koch brothers for advice on global warming. Oh, wait.."

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« Reply #569 on: July 09, 2017, 07:03:08 PM »
And apparently Donnie and Putin discussed collaborating on an "impenetrable Cyber Security unit." Yeah, Putin will really help curb those millions of illegal votes being cast here in the US, good thinking DJT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753

Too bad Bin Laden is dead. Trump could have corroborated with him to form an anti-terrorism unit.

I liked this one from DCResisterBee
"This is like the FBI asking the Mafia to form an anti-crime unit together"

I also like, "Asking Russia for advice on cyber security makes about as much sense as asking the Koch brothers for advice on global warming. Oh, wait.."

Haha I read those as well. I was reading them off to my family. We were all cracking up.

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« Reply #570 on: July 10, 2017, 09:45:12 AM »
This piece from the Atlantic is a nice summary of the idiocy of Donald Trump Jr. Basically, "Yes we met with a Russian who promised to give us incriminating stuff about Clinton, but then bailed when she didn't have the goods." In other words, we would have been really stoked if the collusion had paid off better. What a dumpster fire.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/if-there-wasnt-collusion-it-wasnt-for-lack-of-trying/533070/

And the source NY Times article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

... and speaking of dumpster fires, here's how it's being covered on Faux News:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/10/donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting-brit-hume-says-no-evidence-collusion

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« Reply #571 on: July 10, 2017, 12:37:35 PM »
This directly contradicts months from the Trump campaign claiming that they never met with Russian officials nor discussed compaign issues with Russians.
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« Reply #572 on: July 10, 2017, 01:56:22 PM »
Wonder how this is going over behind closed doors. Trump can't use his go to "fake news" quip. Anyone watch the train wreck Conway interview? I don't know how that woman can live with herself. Wowzer!!

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« Reply #573 on: July 10, 2017, 02:15:21 PM »
Meh, par for the course.  It won't matter.

He denied being a sexist even after all those comments about pageant contestants, and then the pussy grabbing tape came out and removed all doubt, and people accepted him.

He denied any and all contact with the Russians, then this happens, but people will still accept him.  This is America today.

His tax evasion, his corrupt charity, his potential nepotism, his conflicts of interest, his fraud lawsuits, none of it will matter.  He denies everything, then when proved to be a liar he attacks his opponents with the same claim instead of admitting any wrongdoing.  People eat it up.  He can do no wrong.

He's currently competing with U. Grant for the title of most corrupt US president ever.  History will judge him to be an embarrassment to our nation, like Grant, but he still gets to be president for as long as he can win elections.  The greatest flaw in democracy is that popularity does not endow any worthiness for the job, so sometimes we end up with dumpster fires as leaders.  We'll either move past it, or sunset.

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« Reply #574 on: July 10, 2017, 02:35:36 PM »
Meh, par for the course.  It won't matter.

He denied being a sexist even after all those comments about pageant contestants, and then the pussy grabbing tape came out and removed all doubt, and people accepted him.

He denied any and all contact with the Russians, then this happens, but people will still accept him.  This is America today.

His tax evasion, his corrupt charity, his potential nepotism, his conflicts of interest, his fraud lawsuits, none of it will matter.  He denies everything, then when proved to be a liar he attacks his opponents with the same claim instead of admitting any wrongdoing.  People eat it up.  He can do no wrong.

He's currently competing with U. Grant for the title of most corrupt US president ever.  History will judge him to be an embarrassment to our nation, like Grant, but he still gets to be president for as long as he can win elections.  The greatest flaw in democracy is that popularity does not endow any worthiness for the job, so sometimes we end up with dumpster fires as leaders.  We'll either move past it, or sunset.

Well, there is still the Mueller wild card. He could throw a wrench into Trump's cogs. It seems likely that Trump would just fire him if it seemed problematic, and then it would simply be a political football if enough Republicans would turn on Trump at that point. Given their current level of acceptance of his behavior, I'm not particularly hopeful.

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« Reply #575 on: July 10, 2017, 07:20:41 PM »
This seems like a slow moving train wreck right now. But as soon as the moment is right, Trump is going to be dumped overboard.

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« Reply #576 on: July 10, 2017, 08:18:11 PM »
Meh, par for the course.  It won't matter.

He denied being a sexist even after all those comments about pageant contestants, and then the pussy grabbing tape came out and removed all doubt, and people accepted him.

He denied any and all contact with the Russians, then this happens, but people will still accept him.  This is America today.

His tax evasion, his corrupt charity, his potential nepotism, his conflicts of interest, his fraud lawsuits, none of it will matter.  He denies everything, then when proved to be a liar he attacks his opponents with the same claim instead of admitting any wrongdoing.  People eat it up.  He can do no wrong.

He's currently competing with U. Grant for the title of most corrupt US president ever.  History will judge him to be an embarrassment to our nation, like Grant, but he still gets to be president for as long as he can win elections.  The greatest flaw in democracy is that popularity does not endow any worthiness for the job, so sometimes we end up with dumpster fires as leaders.  We'll either move past it, or sunset.
I think what's hard to grasp sometimes is the level of hatred for Hillary. There is now this non-falsifiable view held by intransigent Trumpistas that Trump's blunders since assuming office are excusable because Hillary would have done far, far worse, corrupt, criminal things.

My former boss at work who voted for Trump without shame***, recently agreed with me that Trump is ineffectual and an embarrassment (baby steps).

***speaking of shame, I live in one of the reddest parts of the country; many, many people came back from the polls on election day and meekly and with shame admitted to voting for Trump. Red America has a brain and a conscience but it is superseded by the propaganda machine that leveled Hillary. The country is in trouble if tribalism and habit continue to win out over reason.

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« Reply #577 on: July 10, 2017, 10:47:09 PM »
I think what's hard to grasp sometimes is the level of hatred for Hillary. There is now this non-falsifiable view held by intransigent Trumpistas that Trump's blunders since assuming office are excusable because Hillary would have done far, far worse, corrupt, criminal things.

My former boss at work who voted for Trump without shame***, recently agreed with me that Trump is ineffectual and an embarrassment (baby steps).

***speaking of shame, I live in one of the reddest parts of the country; many, many people came back from the polls on election day and meekly and with shame admitted to voting for Trump. Red America has a brain and a conscience but it is superseded by the propaganda machine that leveled Hillary. The country is in trouble if tribalism and habit continue to win out over reason.

I think this may be true. Many on the left tend to characterize the Trump voters as inexplicably slavish in their devotion to him. And surely, there are a fair number of those folks out there. But as someone who pathologically reads many of the cesspool of comments on news articles (yes, I know, I need a life), I have recently noticed (albeit anecdotally) and interesting trend towards even more "but Hillary" responses than ever (as opposed to "snowflake," "Obama," "this isn't actually a big deal," etc.), the more bombs that are dropped. They may not even realize it, but I think these people instinctively understand that Trump really is the disaster everyone says he is, thus they have to revert to the one core belief that they think still justifies voting for such a disaster--HRC would have been even worse.




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« Reply #578 on: July 11, 2017, 05:48:05 AM »
Many Trump supporters support him for reasons similar to many post-Lewinsky Clinton supporters: they agree with his policies and choose to overlook his personal behavior.
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« Reply #579 on: July 11, 2017, 06:08:44 AM »
There has been a concerted, semi-cordinated effort to discredit and demonize HRC for over 25 years, going back to when she was first lady of Arkansas and then FLOTUS.  It would be hard for anyone to overcome that.  I certainly don't think she's the best we have to offer, but she's certainly not the evil-incarnate many have portrayed her as.
 
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« Reply #580 on: July 11, 2017, 08:30:18 AM »
This seems like a slow moving train wreck right now. But as soon as the moment is right, Trump is going to be dumped overboard.

Mueller issues a report implicating Tr*mp, the Rs in Congress reluctantly call on Tr*mp to resign for the good of the nation, he refuses, impeachment!  Maybe?

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« Reply #581 on: July 11, 2017, 08:40:40 AM »
This seems like a slow moving train wreck right now. But as soon as the moment is right, Trump is going to be dumped overboard.

Mueller issues a report implicating Tr*mp, the Rs in Congress reluctantly call on Tr*mp to resign for the good of the nation, he refuses, impeachment!  Maybe?

More likely Mueller issues a report implicating Trump, the Rs in Congress suddenly claim Mueller is on the Russian payroll and try him for treason, Trump gives a campaign rally style speech at Mueller's public execution.  Adoring crowds chant "drain the swamp" as democracy dies.

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« Reply #582 on: July 11, 2017, 09:01:14 AM »
This seems like a slow moving train wreck right now. But as soon as the moment is right, Trump is going to be dumped overboard.

Mueller issues a report implicating Tr*mp, the Rs in Congress reluctantly call on Tr*mp to resign for the good of the nation, he refuses, impeachment!  Maybe?

More likely Mueller issues a report implicating Trump, the Rs in Congress suddenly claim Mueller is on the Russian payroll and try him for treason, Trump gives a campaign rally style speech at Mueller's public execution.  Adoring crowds chant "drain the swamp" as democracy dies.
So, your basic Turkey/Erdogan scenario?
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« Reply #583 on: July 11, 2017, 09:29:41 AM »
Many Trump supporters support him for reasons similar to many post-Lewinsky Clinton supporters: they agree with his policies and choose to overlook his personal behavior.

Maybe, except his policies are backfiring as well. American's are paying for the wall. ISIS wasn't defeated in 30 days. Coal and manufacturing jobs aren't coming back as he promised. Repeal and replace is highly unfavorable in every single state. And he doesn't know what to do with NK because bullying didn't work. His approval ratings have plunged. He still won't acknowledge Russia hacked the election. And every day seemingly more and more evidence of Russia collusion.

Frankly I have no ideal what policies they are still supporting. He's torn apart families by deporting a few hard working folks back to Mexico. Maybe that is it? Perhaps it's the watered down version of his Muslim ban that finally got approved? At this point I am more likely to agree those still supporting him just love pissing off liberals. Policies be damned.

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« Reply #584 on: July 11, 2017, 09:50:28 AM »
Many Trump supporters support him for reasons similar to many post-Lewinsky Clinton supporters: they agree with his policies and choose to overlook his personal behavior.

Maybe, except his policies are backfiring as well. American's are paying for the wall. ISIS wasn't defeated in 30 days. Coal and manufacturing jobs aren't coming back as he promised. Repeal and replace is highly unfavorable in every single state. And he doesn't know what to do with NK because bullying didn't work. His approval ratings have plunged. He still won't acknowledge Russia hacked the election. And every day seemingly more and more evidence of Russia collusion.

Frankly I have no ideal what policies they are still supporting. He's torn apart families by deporting a few hard working folks back to Mexico. Maybe that is it? Perhaps it's the watered down version of his Muslim ban that finally got approved? At this point I am more likely to agree those still supporting him just love pissing off liberals. Policies be damned.

Yep. He's never had any coherent or consistent policy stances. He embraces the last thing that was said to him, either by humans around him or on Fox News.

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« Reply #585 on: July 11, 2017, 10:00:18 AM »
...Russia hacked the election.
If by "hacked" you mean "attempted to influence" then sure, "hacking" goes on all the time.

If by "hacked" you mean "changed electronic vote totals" then you'll need to support that claim.

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« Reply #586 on: July 11, 2017, 10:18:03 AM »
...Russia hacked the election.
If by "hacked" you mean "attempted to influence" then sure, "hacking" goes on all the time.

If by "hacked" you mean "changed electronic vote totals" then you'll need to support that claim.

1. Two wrongs do not make a right. We have done things that are bad, but that does not mean we should accept overt foreign tampering. We should be especially vigilant when our candidates potentially colluded with them. Sovereignty is important.

2. This is just a single report, and it correctly states to be cautious of running to far with it, but:
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/06/heres-the-public-evidence-that-supports-the-idea-that-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.3c092403ecba

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ďRussian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last Novemberís presidential election,Ē the Interceptís report said, detailing the NSAís analysis supporting that claim. It noted, though, that the analysis represents only one point of evidence to the charges it presents and that the document does not include the raw intelligence supporting the claims. That said, it comports with what was released publicly by the intelligence agencies.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #587 on: July 11, 2017, 10:20:09 AM »
...Russia hacked the election.
If by "hacked" you mean "attempted to influence" then sure, "hacking" goes on all the time.

If by "hacked" you mean "changed electronic vote totals" then you'll need to support that claim.

Or the third choice that I was actually referring to whereby they actually hacked voting systems in 39 states accessing a campaign finance database in one state and trying to alter voter data in another. Which of course more fits the literal definition of hacking.  Trump thinks it could have been some fat guy lying on his bed. The fact that he won't accept what every single US agency has concluded, that it indeed was Russia, is extremely telling.   
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #588 on: July 11, 2017, 10:36:53 AM »
...Russia hacked the election.
If by "hacked" you mean "attempted to influence" then sure, "hacking" goes on all the time.

If by "hacked" you mean "changed electronic vote totals" then you'll need to support that claim.

I mean, to me this reads like classic deflection, but whatever. The fact remains many of the policies Trump was elected on, that you claim people support, people clearly (by polling--re: Trumpcare) don't actually support, or have not been effectively executed as promised (wall, ISIS, etc.). The only things I've seen actually happening that I know these people "support" are a) Gorsch b) making America hostile towards immigrants again b) pissing off liberals daily c) at least he's not HRC d) a lot of handwaving at actual "conservative" policies (the definition of conservatism an ever moving target, but as long as their favorite bobble head supports something...)

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #589 on: July 11, 2017, 10:42:38 AM »
"But Benghazi!"

See how easy that is?  We don't need to worry about colluding with the Russians, or sexual assaults, or fraud convictions, or the emolument clause, or hidden tax returns, or six bankruptcies, or martial infidelities, or demonizing immigrants, or voter suppression, or enciting violence against the free press, or carny hands.  America has decided that all of this is preferable to Hillary Clinton, the world's greatest master criminal.

Trump could go on Fox and say "of course I colluded with the Russians to beat crooked Hillary, I had to do it to make America great again" and his supporters world lap it up.  They don't care that it's illegal or immoral or that he previously denied it.  Nothing matters anymore.  He's untouchable.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #590 on: July 11, 2017, 11:00:57 AM »
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #591 on: July 11, 2017, 11:36:02 AM »
The email exchange reported in this article is pretty good (and by good, I mean damning, bad, and treasonous). I'm curious how the veracity of the emails was confirmed. Though, it should be noted that Don Trump Jr confirmed the meetings and the general progression of events, so at present I have little reason to doubt the veracity of the wording.

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/11/15953204/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #592 on: July 11, 2017, 12:08:52 PM »
The email exchange reported in this article is pretty good (and by good, I mean damning, bad, and treasonous). I'm curious how the veracity of the emails was confirmed. Though, it should be noted that Don Trump Jr confirmed the meetings and the general progression of events, so at present I have little reason to doubt the veracity of the wording.

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/11/15953204/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia

Don Jr tweeted out screenshots of the actual email exchange so the wording is quite accurate.  No word on the post meeting follow-up emails...

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #593 on: July 11, 2017, 12:13:24 PM »
The email exchange reported in this article is pretty good (and by good, I mean damning, bad, and treasonous). I'm curious how the veracity of the emails was confirmed. Though, it should be noted that Don Trump Jr confirmed the meetings and the general progression of events, so at present I have little reason to doubt the veracity of the wording.

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/11/15953204/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia

Don Jr tweeted out screenshots of the actual email exchange so the wording is quite accurate.  No word on the post meeting follow-up emails...
Yep, he tweeted them out.
How fucking stupid is he? Did he really think this would help him? Wow. Or is he assuming the world is as Sol says it is and the Trumps have some sort of teflon immunity?

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #594 on: July 11, 2017, 12:19:51 PM »
"But Benghazi!"

See how easy that is?  We don't need to worry about

colluding with the Russians
no evidence of this
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or sexual assaults
no evidence of this
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or fraud convictions
Donald Trump has never been convicted of any crime
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or the emolument clause
people that use this as argument against Donald Trump obviously don't understand what it is
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or hidden tax returns
what purpose would releasing them do, would it change your opinion of him to see a clean tax return with no ties to Russian companies, or would you probably still hate him?
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or six bankruptcies
out of hundreds of enterprises he created
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or martial infidelities
at least he got them out of the way before he entered office?
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or demonizing immigrants
only criminal ones
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or voter suppression
of illegal voters
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or enciting violence against the free press
tweeting a gif is inciting violence?  I hope you're joking
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or carny hands
you're body shaming now?

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.  America has decided that all of this is preferable to Hillary Clinton, the world's greatest master criminal.
Make believe offenses are preferable to actual crimes, imagine that.

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Trump could go on Fox and say "of course I colluded with the Russians to beat crooked Hillary, I had to do it to make America great again" and his supporters world lap it up.  They don't care that it's illegal or immoral or that he previously denied it.  Nothing matters anymore.  He's untouchable.
Is there anything Trump could do that would give you a positive opinion of him?  If not, aren't you simply the opposite side of the coin you claim to hate.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #595 on: July 11, 2017, 12:32:08 PM »
no evidence of this

Careful, it's a black hole. Anyone going in?
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #596 on: July 11, 2017, 12:39:43 PM »
Could anyone give a solid explanation as to the legal implications of what Donald Jr. has admitted to?

It certainly seems suspicious and dirty but honestly I don't know what is and isn't allowed.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #597 on: July 11, 2017, 12:42:57 PM »
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or fraud convictions
Donald Trump has never been convicted of any crime

That's true.  Trump has settled out of court on hundreds of cases to make them go away.  Most recently he settled one of the Trump University lawsuits by paying the plaintiffs 25 million dollars.  Sol should have used:

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or fraud convictions

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #598 on: July 11, 2017, 12:44:53 PM »
Donald Trump has never been convicted of any crime

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Make believe offenses are preferable to actual crimes, imagine that.

Hillary Clinton has never been convicted of any crime.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #599 on: July 11, 2017, 12:46:53 PM »
Donald Trump committed fraud in his charity foundation. He was informed by the IRS of self-dealing. He had to correct this.
Are you saying because he corrected the self dealing that he didn't commit a crime?