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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1000 on: November 07, 2017, 03:10:27 PM »
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/7/16616912/carter-page-testimony-trump-russia

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/carter-page-testimony-released/index.html

Carter Page's turn is definitely coming up soon.

SO.  MUCH.  WINNING.

Here is what this U of NH professor found in Page's testimony to the House Intelligence Committee last week (where Page contradicted himself a bunch of times):

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/927999713714081799/photo/1

As he notes at the end of the tweet thread - this is what we've found out from public testimony.  You can imagine how much more Mueller knows.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1001 on: November 09, 2017, 03:16:58 PM »
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1002 on: November 10, 2017, 10:10:57 AM »
Flynn and his son are next. Flynn Sr will have leverage applied re: his son's sentence and roll over.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/wsj-flynn-turkey/index.html

It may never get to Trump but it'll reach high (Sessions?).


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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1003 on: November 10, 2017, 10:41:41 AM »
Flynn and his son are next. Flynn Sr will have leverage applied re: his son's sentence and roll over.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/wsj-flynn-turkey/index.html

It may never get to Trump but it'll reach high (Sessions?).
We shall see where this goes.
As for reaching high 0 it's already ensnared his chief campaign manager (Manafort), albeit for crimes committed largely before the campaign started.
Flynn Jr & Sr, Page, Kurshner, Sessions... there's a lot of high-profile people under this microscope.  Will their conduct rise to the level of criminal charges? we shall see...

Just keep in mind that special prosecutors have all taken several years to conduct their investigations.  We are in, what, month 7?
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« Reply #1004 on: November 10, 2017, 01:41:36 PM »
As for reaching high 0 it's already ensnared his chief campaign manager (Manafort),

Why is this not already the biggest story in the land? 

The President of the United States hired a literal foreign agent to run his campaign.  It's like a KGB spy becoming Speaker of the House, and nobody bats an eye.

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« Reply #1005 on: November 10, 2017, 01:55:20 PM »
As for reaching high 0 it's already ensnared his chief campaign manager (Manafort),

Why is this not already the biggest story in the land? 

The President of the United States hired a literal foreign agent to run his campaign.  It's like a KGB spy becoming Speaker of the House, and nobody bats an eye.

The response has been equally baffling to me. 
[quote = Trump]Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign.[/quote]
The indictment is for offenses occurring between 2010 and 2014. The subtext here is that we should be utterly unconcerned that the chief campaign manager of the sitting POTUS was both a foreign agent and an alleged criminal a few years back.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1006 on: November 10, 2017, 01:58:27 PM »
As for reaching high 0 it's already ensnared his chief campaign manager (Manafort),

Why is this not already the biggest story in the land? 

The President of the United States hired a literal foreign agent to run his campaign.  It's like a KGB spy becoming Speaker of the House, and nobody bats an eye.

Because in Trump Land facts don't matter, only fee fees.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1007 on: November 10, 2017, 02:04:36 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/359812-mueller-investigation-involves-member-of-congress-for-the-first

The Mueller investigation now includes a member of Congress.  You won't be surprised to learn it's a Republican Congressman.

http://www.businessinsider.com/devin-nunes-michael-flynn-turkey-russia-2017-11

Devin Nunes is also being looked at in the Michael Flynn debacle with Turkey.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1008 on: November 10, 2017, 02:26:21 PM »
"Foreign agent" in this context means "lobbyist," not "espionage." RT was just forced to register as a foreign agent today. It's not like they are stealing F-22 secrets, they are just funded by the Russian government and spread propaganda they think is favorable.

It's not even a serious crime to fail to register. DOJ rarely prosecutes for it.

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« Reply #1009 on: November 10, 2017, 02:31:45 PM »
The Mueller investigation now includes a member of Congress.  You won't be surprised to learn it's a Republican Congressman.

uh-oh.  I wonder how much longer a GOP controlled congress will permit this investigation to continue unimpeded when one/some of their own members are persons of interest.
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« Reply #1010 on: November 10, 2017, 02:36:26 PM »
As for reaching high 0 it's already ensnared his chief campaign manager (Manafort),

Why is this not already the biggest story in the land? 

The President of the United States hired a literal foreign agent to run his campaign.  It's like a KGB spy becoming Speaker of the House, and nobody bats an eye.

The response has been equally baffling to me. 
[quoteTrump]Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign.[/ quote]
The indictment is for offenses occurring between 2010 and 2014. The subtext here is that we should be utterly unconcerned that the chief campaign manager of the sitting POTUS was both a foreign agent and an alleged criminal a few years back.

Plus this doesn't mean Mueller doesn't also have evidence for additional charges against Manafort he could bring later. Mueller is working with the New York Attorney General as well so if Trump fights back by firing him or issuing pardons (which he almost certainly will at some point) the NY AG could still bring state charges that a Trump pardon wouldn't fix. By not hitting him with everything now they are fully clear of any potential "double jeopardy" issues should Trump pardon Manafort. I think they're pressuring Manafort really hard to flip on those higher up the chain.

Timing the Manafort charges with the announcement of Papadopoulos's guilty plea (remember, the plea happened months ago and he's been "cooperating" since) means republicans can't simply deny that the shenanigans were completely separate from the campaign.

This, Trump supporters, is what "three dimensional chess" looks like. It's not freaking out on twitter to distract from bad press.



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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1011 on: November 11, 2017, 07:45:12 AM »
Well Trump just announced that he spoke with Putin who said Russia "absolutely did not meddle in our election".
So I guess that settles it.

Also just in:  OJ Simplson definitely did not kill his wife, Pete Rose certainly did not gamble on baseball games, Barry Bonds never took steroids and the civil war really had nothing to do with slavery. 

Glad we have that covered.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1012 on: November 13, 2017, 07:30:49 AM »
It's likely the hack on the NSA is an orchestrated effort by Russia/Putin. This hacking makes it even more treasonous to me that Trump and any Republican has any connection whatsoever to Russia.

Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. to Its Core
https://nyti.ms/2ji4LZ0

"One passage, possibly hinting at the Shadow Brokers’ identity, underscored the close relationship of Russian intelligence to criminal hackers. “Russian security peoples,” it said, “is becoming Russian hackeres at nights, but only full moons.”
Russia is the prime suspect in a parallel hemorrhage of hacking tools and secret documents from the C.I.A.’s Center for Cyber Intelligence, posted week after week since March to the WikiLeaks website under the names Vault7 and Vault8. That breach, too, is unsolved."

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1013 on: November 13, 2017, 07:35:02 AM »
Mueller: lying
Comey: lying
Obama: lying
Clinton: lying
Federal judges: lying
His sex assault accusers: lying
Scientists about climate change: lying
Doctors about Affordable Care Act: lying
Mother of slain U.S. soldier: lying
Putin: He means it.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1014 on: November 13, 2017, 08:32:55 AM »
Mueller: lying
Comey: lying
Obama: lying
Clinton: lying
Federal judges: lying
His sex assault accusers: lying
Scientists about climate change: lying
Doctors about Affordable Care Act: lying
Mother of slain U.S. soldier: lying
Putin: He means it.
I'd be laughing if I wasn't crying inside.

You also forgot:
The media
George Papadopoulos
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« Reply #1015 on: November 13, 2017, 08:43:42 PM »
Donald Trump Jr. was communicating secretly with WikiLeaks as they were releasing hacked emails from the Clinton campaign (under the guidance of Russian Intelligence):

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/politics/wikileaks-donald-trump-jr-2016-election/index.html
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1016 on: November 14, 2017, 09:58:55 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/jeff-sessions-testify-house-judiciary-committee-likely-face-110304060--abc-news-topstories.html

Sessions magically remembers meeting Papadopolous after previously testifying he did not recall.
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« Reply #1017 on: November 14, 2017, 07:11:01 PM »
Sessions magically remembers meeting Papadopolous after previously testifying he did not recall.

Everything about the Trump administration is conveniently unrememberable until the press does some fact checking.

Examples from the Post:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/14/a-brief-history-of-things-that-jeff-sessions-and-team-trump-could-not-recall-until-the-media-reminded-them/

sessions forgot meeting Papadopolous
trump forgot meeting with Papadopolous
trump jr forgot meeting with the russians
kushner forgot meeting with the russians
trump jr forgot seeking out dirt on clinton
sessions forgot meeting with the russians
sessions forgot discussing the campaign with the russians

And that's not even touching Manafort or Flynn.  Those are just the most recent cases where administration officials were asked direction questions and testified they "couldn't remember" the answers, only to have the media remind them days later by quoting its own reporting.  Why is it that everyone in America knows that Trump Jr met with the Russians but Trump Jr mysteriously gets amnesia every time he's asked about it?

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1018 on: November 14, 2017, 07:17:04 PM »
Yeah but what about Obama's birth certificate?

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« Reply #1019 on: November 14, 2017, 07:20:21 PM »
Sessions magically remembers meeting Papadopolous after previously testifying he did not recall.

Everything about the Trump administration is conveniently unrememberable until the press does some fact checking.

Examples from the Post:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/14/a-brief-history-of-things-that-jeff-sessions-and-team-trump-could-not-recall-until-the-media-reminded-them/

sessions forgot meeting Papadopolous
trump forgot meeting with Papadopolous
trump jr forgot meeting with the russians
kushner forgot meeting with the russians
trump jr forgot seeking out dirt on clinton
sessions forgot meeting with the russians
sessions forgot discussing the campaign with the russians

And that's not even touching Manafort or Flynn.  Those are just the most recent cases where administration officials were asked direction questions and testified they "couldn't remember" the answers, only to have the media remind them days later by quoting its own reporting.  Why is it that everyone in America knows that Trump Jr met with the Russians but Trump Jr mysteriously gets amnesia every time he's asked about it?

When the situation becomes tenuous, distract! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/politics/justice-department-uranium-one-special-counsel.html

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« Reply #1020 on: November 14, 2017, 07:28:15 PM »
Yeah but what about Obama's birth certificate?

Roy Moore says it's a forgery.  He's pretty sure of it.

But he can't remember if he sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl on January 3rd, 1978 in his pickup truck parked behind the Olde Hickory House in Gadsen Alabama.  He doesn't deny it, he just doesn't recall.
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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1021 on: November 14, 2017, 08:06:43 PM »
Yeah but what about Obama's birth certificate?

Roy Moore says it's a forgery.  He's pretty sure of it.

But he can't remember if he sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl on January 3rd, 1978 in his pickup truck parked behind the Olde Hickory House in Gadsen Alabama.  He doesn't deny it, he just doesn't recall.

It makes sense.  When there you commit as many sexual assaults of minors as it appears that Moore has they probably all kinda run together and get confusing over time.

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Re: United States of Russia?
« Reply #1023 on: November 15, 2017, 08:19:56 AM »


When you've completely lost it...
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« Reply #1024 on: November 15, 2017, 08:42:28 AM »

When you've completely lost it...

Same shit, different shouting face

The first step is acknowledging you have a problem, right?

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« Reply #1025 on: November 15, 2017, 10:02:11 AM »


When you've completely lost it...
They forgot the direct line between Bill and Hillary. So scandalous!

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« Reply #1026 on: November 15, 2017, 12:42:56 PM »
That kind of crap always just makes me think of Charlie in the mailroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Glfe6UeXQ
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« Reply #1027 on: November 15, 2017, 12:59:18 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier-accurate

Christopher Steele believes his dossier is "70-90% accurate."

Quote
Steele delivered a total of 16 reports to Fusion between June and early November 2016, but his sources started to go quiet from July, when Trump’s ties to Russia came under scrutiny. According to Harding’s account, he was shocked by the extent of collusion his sources were reporting.

“For anyone who reads it, this is a life-changing experience,” Steele told friends.

Steele flew to Rome in June to brief his FBI contact with whom he had shared his Fifa report, and returned in September to meet a full FBI team of investigators. He described their response as “shock and horror”, and they asked him to explain his methods and to pass on future reports.

However, as the weeks went by leading up to the 8 November election, the FBI told him it could not go public with material involving a presidential candidate, and then his FBI contacts went silent altogether. Steele told a friend it was clear he had passed on a “radioactive hot potato”.

Unless her name is Clinton, amirite?
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« Reply #1028 on: November 15, 2017, 02:21:58 PM »
That kind of crap always just makes me thing of Charlie in the mailroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Glfe6UeXQ
And our response should be just like Mac's:

"Sean, not only does none of this make any sense...All of these people have explaining what really happened for days!"

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« Reply #1029 on: November 16, 2017, 12:11:32 PM »
http://www.newsweek.com/mueller-trump-hicks-713318

Mueller will interview Hope Hicks soon.
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« Reply #1030 on: Today at 09:29:10 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/robert-mueller-subpoenaed-top-trump-campaign-officials-report.html

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More than a dozen top Trump campaign officials subpoenaed in Mueller probe

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Earn 50,000 Ultimate Rewards points with Chase Sapphire Preferred - $4k spend in 3 months.
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Earn a $150 bonus with Chase Freedom Unlimited - only $500 spend needed in 3 months.
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Earn a $150 bonus with Chase Freedom - only $500 spend needed in 3 months.
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Southwest Cards - Earn 40k miles for $1k spend in 3 months.
Premier -
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Plus -
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