Trump outrage of the day

[MilesTeg]

I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 

You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

I hope that you are right. However:

1. Thus far he has not accepted defeat and is actively working to change the outcome through what appear to be frivolous lawsuits. Some have hypothesized that the purpose of these lawsuits is not to win them, but to tie up the results until the electoral college meets and  a window for legislatures to make decisions opens (or the specter of faithless electors). TBD.
2. In conjunction with the above, the GSA has prevented Biden from beginning the transition process.
3. Barr, aka the head of the DOJ, has fallen in line with supporting Trump's conspiracy theories. Again, a diligent investigation is unlikely to change the outcome of the voting, but the (likely quite public and heavily tweeted) investigations would create enough smoke for the base to believe there is fire (not to be confused with FIRE).

Nothing about Trump has indicated that his baseline is respect for law. I hope that what we are seeing amounts to a really ugly temper tantrum that will fade out without consequence. However, it is worth watching this carefully and not relying on Trump's good will and respect for the law to prevail.

Florida Man is trying to prevent states from certifying results so that the vote goes directly to the states (1 vote per state) which he would win because the majority of states are Republican run.

However, in order to pull this off without finding valid reasons to stop certification he will have to convince the judiciary and various state governments to disenfranchise the entire electorate. This would be a wildly unpopular decision that at best would ruin the careers and lives of the people involved and likely lead to a broader national conflict.

The only way Florida Man can pull off a legitimate overturning would be to find a way to prove enough fraud in a combination of states amounting to 37 electoral votes (assuming current projections of Biden with 306 EVs stand after initial counts are complete).

That means he would need to successfully overturn the results in at least three states.

If at least 270 EV worth of states finalize their results all other litigation seeking to overturn the result in remaining states will be dismissed as Florida Man could no longer claim harm/damages because no result of such litigation would alter the outcome of the election anymore.

[Roadrunner53]

Michael Cohen: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-cohen-trump-biden-inauguration_n_5fab3c89c5b635e9de9cf7ef

[LennStar]

The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

True, but the guys now calling for a shitstorn on the law firms doing that are also assholes like Trump. Trump, as every citizen, has the right to use the court system and lawyers.
It's still a dick move, but personally as a lawyer I would not take this, but shitting on lawyers because they do their job is on the bad side of the red line too.

There is nothing they can do to say in power after having lost the election. They are simply trying to whip their base into a froth so that they'll continue to listen to them after Biden becomes president.

But that is also a - sorry - HUGE problem. It is even more of a divided country, and if that goes on it will end in some sort of civil war. 

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

[Pompeo] So he is just unfit for his job instead of a couper?
If you are a high ranking official, you don't joke about that. Not even outside a press conference/interview and certainly not in a situation where people are rightfully concerned about that topic.

[LaineyAZ]

So this may qualify as the Trump outrage of the last four years.  How many families are similar.  I know ours has been impacted as I argue with my brother and my parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/opinions/trump-tore-my-family-apart-eldredge/index.html

I read this too.  Sad that his Trumpist family members had cut him off. 
He sounds like he's in his 50s or 60s, and recounts many wonderful shared life events.  Now, nothing.  Also said to read his plaintive question to them:  "was it worth it?"

[talltexan]

The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

True, but the guys now calling for a shitstorn on the law firms doing that are also assholes like Trump. Trump, as every citizen, has the right to use the court system and lawyers.
It's still a dick move, but personally as a lawyer I would not take this, but shitting on lawyers because they do their job is on the bad side of the red line too.

There is nothing they can do to say in power after having lost the election. They are simply trying to whip their base into a froth so that they'll continue to listen to them after Biden becomes president.

But that is also a - sorry - HUGE problem. It is even more of a divided country, and if that goes on it will end in some sort of civil war. 

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

[Pompeo] So he is just unfit for his job instead of a couper?
If you are a high ranking official, you don't joke about that. Not even outside a press conference/interview and certainly not in a situation where people are rightfully concerned about that topic.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge a lawyer for taking on a case that is thinly documented with no reasonable support under the law. It reflects on that lawyer's understanding of evidence and the law.

That's a really different situation from judging a family member for zHer casual support of any particular politician.

[katsiki]

Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Yes, basically. For example see the Raid on Yakla eight days after Trump took office. That wasn't planned and executed solely in his presidency, the military would have been weighing its options and doing reconnaissance and whatnot for a while, so I'm sure these discussions were part of Trump's transitional national security briefings.

If he hadn't known about it beforehand then there's no way with all the chaos of assuming office that he'd have been informed enough to make a decision, and opportunities may be lost. Which may have actually been a good thing in this particular case given that the raid didn't go well, but the point still stands regardless.

Thanks @sherr .  Good info.

I do wonder how much this matters normally - regardless of who the President is.  It seems like the govt has plenty of career folks who know what to do.  I realize and respect that leadership matters though...  Interesting stuff.

Disappointing that normal transition procedures are not being followed.  Not surprising though!

[sherr]

There's also just a general concern about actions from others. If your enemies know that there's a period of a leadership vacuum during the chaos when a new president assumes office, then they may use that as an opportunity to do "something". It's in National Security's best interest to make the transition as smooth as possible.

[Glenstache]

There's also just a general concern about actions from others. If your enemies know that there's a period of a leadership vacuum during the chaos when a new president assumes office, then they may use that as an opportunity to do "something". It's in National Security's best interest to make the transition as smooth as possible.

Such as:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/world/asia/hong-kong-protest-democracy.html

[LennStar]

The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

True, but the guys now calling for a shitstorn on the law firms doing that are also assholes like Trump. Trump, as every citizen, has the right to use the court system and lawyers.
It's still a dick move, but personally as a lawyer I would not take this, but shitting on lawyers because they do their job is on the bad side of the red line too.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge a lawyer for taking on a case that is thinly documented with no reasonable support under the law. It reflects on that lawyer's understanding of evidence and the law.

That's a really different situation from judging a family member for zHer casual support of any particular politician.

Well, it's not the lawyer's decision if to go to court or not. And it is not the lawyers job to decide for the client if any action is reasonable or not. It's his job to say it's stupid to do so if it is, but it is not his decision.

With your logic you could also say no lawyer should defend a criminal just because the evidence is overwhelming.

[sherr]

Well, it's not the lawyer's decision if to go to court or not. And it is not the lawyers job to decide for the client if any action is reasonable or not. It's his job to say it's stupid to do so if it is, but it is not his decision.

With your logic you could also say no lawyer should defend a criminal just because the evidence is overwhelming.

Except for the specific case of a court-appointed public defender (which Republicans have attacked Democrats for being before, like in 2016 when they attacked both Hillary and Deborah Ross for their previous roles as public defenders), attorneys do have the ability to decide which cases to take and which not to. Refusing to take frivolous lawsuits is actually expected of them by the Bar Association, and theoretically they can lose their license to practice law if they don't.

[talltexan]

@sherr, you have argued effectively in a number of topics on here, if you told me you were an attorney, I'd believe it

Are there (other) practicing attorneys on this thread who can weigh in?

With Trump, there's also a question about whether you'll ever get paid.

[frugalecon]

The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

True, but the guys now calling for a shitstorn on the law firms doing that are also assholes like Trump. Trump, as every citizen, has the right to use the court system and lawyers.
It's still a dick move, but personally as a lawyer I would not take this, but shitting on lawyers because they do their job is on the bad side of the red line too.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge a lawyer for taking on a case that is thinly documented with no reasonable support under the law. It reflects on that lawyer's understanding of evidence and the law.

That's a really different situation from judging a family member for zHer casual support of any particular politician.

Well, it's not the lawyer's decision if to go to court or not. And it is not the lawyers job to decide for the client if any action is reasonable or not. It's his job to say it's stupid to do so if it is, but it is not his decision.

With your logic you could also say no lawyer should defend a criminal just because the evidence is overwhelming.

There is a very clear reason why individuals accused of crimes by the state absolutely should have competent legal counsel to vindicate their rights. Namely, our whole system is ideally set up to protect individual rights from the vastly greater power of the state. Even someone who has been accused of a crime for which there is overwhelming evidence has rights to a fair and impartial process, and the state needs to be held to account for abuses it commits in the process.

There is simply no comparison between that situation and that of a private plaintiff who seeks to initiate meritless litigation to accomplish his or her own ends. It is a faulty analogy.

[sherr]

@sherr, you have argued effectively in a number of topics on here, if you told me you were an attorney, I'd believe it

I'm not. :)

[OtherJen]

The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

True, but the guys now calling for a shitstorn on the law firms doing that are also assholes like Trump. Trump, as every citizen, has the right to use the court system and lawyers.
It's still a dick move, but personally as a lawyer I would not take this, but shitting on lawyers because they do their job is on the bad side of the red line too.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge a lawyer for taking on a case that is thinly documented with no reasonable support under the law. It reflects on that lawyer's understanding of evidence and the law.

That's a really different situation from judging a family member for zHer casual support of any particular politician.

Well, it's not the lawyer's decision if to go to court or not. And it is not the lawyers job to decide for the client if any action is reasonable or not. It's his job to say it's stupid to do so if it is, but it is not his decision.

With your logic you could also say no lawyer should defend a criminal just because the evidence is overwhelming.

These are not public defenders. They're private attorneys and absolutely do have the right not to take cases. In fact, many of them appear to be concerned about the damage to their own reputations and that of the firms in question.

[LennStar]

Yes, as I said they can refuse. And probably should. But the decision is still in the client. I don't know how it is in the US, but at least at lower courts you should be able to go without lawyer, so even if all lawyers say no you can sue. 

And if a lawsuit is frivolous is decided by the judge, not the lawyer (who of course has his opinions). Especially in case law systems there seems to be everything possible.

I mean even in Germany, if it is something about the press and you want a common sense defying judging, you go to LG Hamburg. There is even a website named after the president of that court chamber with a list of awkward rulings.

[caracarn]

There's also just a general concern about actions from others. If your enemies know that there's a period of a leadership vacuum during the chaos when a new president assumes office, then they may use that as an opportunity to do "something". It's in National Security's best interest to make the transition as smooth as possible.

I am expecting a massive international event started by Putin on or about January 15th and then Trump saying "see I told you Biden is incapable of doing the job" as they scramble to make up for all the lost effort.  It is import to recall a key finding in the 9/11 Commission Report was that the lack of a national security team being up to speed due to the delay in Bush transition was a contributing factor to 9/11.

[Norioch]

Donald Trump is attempting a coup. If the coup succeeds then America will no longer be a democracy. https://wagingnonviolence.org/2020/09/10-things-you-need-to-know-to-stop-a-coup/

[Wolfpack Mustachian]

Donald Trump is attempting a coup. If the coup succeeds then America will no longer be a democracy. https://wagingnonviolence.org/2020/09/10-things-you-need-to-know-to-stop-a-coup/

He's not going to be in office in January. Only the really vocal Trump supporters are still talking about it like he's actually still going to win. The vast majority of his supporters, even if they feel he was cheated, have resigned themselves that it's over and are talking with that frame of mind. Trump's pushing the narrative, imo, to have something to push and still come out looking good or to potentially run in 2024. All of his court cases have been dismissed. Unless the SC takes the case and somehow rules against Biden (and I find this very unlikely), Trump will vacate the office complaining all the way, but he will be out.

Does anyone really think this will come to him somehow needing to be removed by a police force or something like that?

[Abe]

I think this will die out after thanksgiving because the lawsuits will be dismissed and Turkey Day!!

[frugalnacho]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

[LennStar]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

It was a hoax anyway and I never did it!

[MasterStache]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

It was a hoax anyway and I never did it!

The fake news media isn't reporting the real story. That's Hillary Clinton's emails.

[nereo]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

It was a hoax anyway and I never did it!

The fake news media isn't reporting the real story. That's Hillary Clinton's emails.

Benghazi !!!!!

[OtherJen]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

It was a hoax anyway and I never did it!

The fake news media isn't reporting the real story. That's Hillary Clinton's emails.

Benghazi !!!!!

Pizzagate!

[talltexan]

Both things can be true:

• The varied actions that team Trump is taking to build a narrative that Trump didn't lose are so weak that Trump won't stay President, and
• They still undermine the incoming President's ability to build and focus public attention the way he needs to lead

Pres. Biden will have an unusual challenge trying to do the job while there's a shadow President like Trump. I wonder if it was like this for Taft once Teddy Roosevelt started openly criticizing him.

[OtherJen]

Yes, as I said they can refuse. And probably should. But the decision is still in the client. I don't know how it is in the US, but at least at lower courts you should be able to go without lawyer, so even if all lawyers say no you can sue. 

And if a lawsuit is frivolous is decided by the judge, not the lawyer (who of course has his opinions). Especially in case law systems there seems to be everything possible.

I mean even in Germany, if it is something about the press and you want a common sense defying judging, you go to LG Hamburg. There is even a website named after the president of that court chamber with a list of awkward rulings.

This may clarify some of the issue with Trump's frivolous, unfounded lawsuits: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-suddenly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge/ (link provided by a US lawyer of my acquaintance).

I can't imagine someone serious about the law and good at their job would be expected to file such a case with no basis. Perhaps they should be sanctioned. They're wasting the court's time and taxpayers' money.

[Just Joe]

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear

What if we spray bleach on it?

Edited to add: a person IRL made a point to remind me yesterday that Biden is a pedophile...

[talltexan]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

[Psychstache]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

Double Twist: That person was M. Night Shyamalan

[nereo]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

Double Twist: That person was M. Night Shyamalan

Has Trump done nothing outrageous today to warrant conversation?

Oh, here's something - now he's claiming there's a "Medical Deep State" which is out to get him.  The apparent 'evidence' here is that Pfizer announced the results of its preliminary vaccine trials a week AFTER the election, thereby 'stealing' it from him.

Doesn't take much to sink this notion.  While Pfizer is participating in the government's distribution efforts, they didn't sign on to 'Project Warp Speed's' vaccine development.  So basically Trump's own government-funded effort to develop a vaccine "in record time" failed to outpace private industry. And a quick glance at Pfizer's trial results nothing nefarious about the timing... the company announced its results as soon as it could, and by 'typical' vaccine standards actually rushed the announcement.  The data wasn't available to make an announcement before Nov 3rd.

[Roadrunner53]

He acts like he is the inventor and has not been given credit for inventing the vaccine.

Glad they didn't announce results till after the election! Hahaha! They probably did do that on purpose to not interfere with the election. Trump would have been pounding his chest like King Kong taking credit!

[OtherJen]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

Double Twist: That person was M. Night Shyamalan

Has Trump done nothing outrageous today to warrant conversation?

He's been uncharacteristically quiet. His followers, on the other hand, not so much.

For example, I'm sure this event on Saturday will go well, with absolutely no violence and no calls for outright sedition and treason:

Politico: MAGA nation tries to rally around Trump with MAGApalooza

Notably, organizers have not filed for permits, according to a spokesperson for the D.C. Metropolitan Police.

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Rhodes, the Oath Keeper leader, has vowed to station armed “special warfare veterans” outside the city on Saturday, placing them outside the jurisdiction of Washington’s gun control laws. But he has made similar pledges before that have not materialized.

Regardless of what they do, Rhodes’ sentiment — and those of his fellow MAGA pilgrims — is clear: “We must refuse to EVER recognize this as a legitimate election, and refuse to recognize Biden as a legitimate winner, and refuse to ever recognize him as the president of the United States.”

[caracarn]

He acts like he is the inventor and has not been given credit for inventing the vaccine.

Glad they didn't announce results till after the election! Hahaha! They probably did do that on purpose to not interfere with the election. Trump would have been pounding his chest like King Kong taking credit!

The CEO of Pfizer answered that question on national TV and said it was released when the science said they had enough data and was not timed around the election.  This forum is a great place.  Let's not let it be the start of new conspiracy theories.

[caracarn]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

Double Twist: That person was M. Night Shyamalan

Has Trump done nothing outrageous today to warrant conversation?

He's been uncharacteristically quiet. His followers, on the other hand, not so much.

For example, I'm sure this event on Saturday will go well, with absolutely no violence and no calls for outright sedition and treason:

MAGA nation tries to rally around Trump with MAGApalooza

He is silent because he is fuming.  That much has been coming out through aides.  Every legal challenge is being dismissed in 48-72 hours and they are running out of time for his narrative to fulfill itself.  As more states certify suits cannot really be effective and eventually cases will be dismissed simply for lack of standing, as no harm can come for a person who has already lost with certified results.  Unless they could produce enough actual evidence to overturn a state, which they cannot because there is none, this is over. 

The bad part is he is not even doing the pitiful job he was doing as president.  His public schedule shows nothing of actual work.  All he is doing is fixating on this narrative that he can do the impossible.  We are glad the supporters are rallying around the baby in chief so they can make him feel better.  Very sad that needs to happen with a 74 year old man.

[MudPuppy]

There was also open communication that Pfizer (and Moderna/BioNTech)  trials were nearing completion and expected to be able to apply for EUA soon in the days leading to election

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizer-could-know-if-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-is-effective-by-end-of-october-11602845204

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dont-expect-a-covid-vaccine-before-the-election/

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/06/race-for-covid-19-vaccine-slows-as-regulators-top-warp-speed-official-tap-the-breaks/

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/10/16/Pfizer-COVID-19-vaccine-EUA-request-soon-after-safety-data-in-third-week-of-November

[former player]

How about turning up half an hour late for the 11 o'clock two minute silence at Arlington cemetary?

https://www.metro.news/late-arrival-donald-trump-carries-on-his-tirade-on-veterans-day/2217804/

Pitiful.

[GuitarStv]

How about turning up half an hour late for the 11 o'clock two minute silence at Arlington cemetary?

https://www.metro.news/late-arrival-donald-trump-carries-on-his-tirade-on-veterans-day/2217804/

Pitiful.

This shouldn't even be slightly surprising given Trump's past comments.


"Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." - President Trump, pride of Republicans

[ixtap]

How about turning up half an hour late for the 11 o'clock two minute silence at Arlington cemetary?

https://www.metro.news/late-arrival-donald-trump-carries-on-his-tirade-on-veterans-day/2217804/

Pitiful.

This shouldn't even be slightly surprising given Trump's past comments.


"Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." - President Trump, pride of Republicans

Let's not forget that attacks on mail.in ballots are attacks on military voters:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/11/10/gop-list-of-alleged-voter-fraud-nevada-contains-hundreds-of-military-addresses.html

[Just Joe]

Rhodes, the Oath Keeper leader, has vowed to station armed “special warfare veterans” outside the city on Saturday, placing them outside the jurisdiction of Washington’s gun control laws. But he has made similar pledges before that have not materialized.

Regardless of what they do, Rhodes’ sentiment — and those of his fellow MAGA pilgrims — is clear: “We must refuse to EVER recognize this as a legitimate election, and refuse to recognize Biden as a legitimate winner, and refuse to ever recognize him as the president of the United States.”

[/quote]

So the Oath keeper lied? Surely not... ;)

[frugalnacho]

How about turning up half an hour late for the 11 o'clock two minute silence at Arlington cemetary?

https://www.metro.news/late-arrival-donald-trump-carries-on-his-tirade-on-veterans-day/2217804/

Pitiful.

This shouldn't even be slightly surprising given Trump's past comments.


"Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." - President Trump, pride of Republicans

Let's not forget that attacks on mail.in ballots are attacks on military voters:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/11/10/gop-list-of-alleged-voter-fraud-nevada-contains-hundreds-of-military-addresses.html

My cross post from another thread:

At least one of Trump's lawsuits seeks to throw out a few thousand votes in Nevada because the voters postmarked their ballots from Pearl Harbor. You know, that place with thousands of military service members who move a lot.

Yes, ballots legally cast by service members who were in Nevada, and then got transferred elsewhere because military.  He's suing to throw out those legal ballots.  On Veterans Day.  This timeline is so fucking surreal.

[marty998]

How about turning up half an hour late for the 11 o'clock two minute silence at Arlington cemetary?

https://www.metro.news/late-arrival-donald-trump-carries-on-his-tirade-on-veterans-day/2217804/

Pitiful.

This shouldn't even be slightly surprising given Trump's past comments.


"Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." - President Trump, pride of Republicans

Let's not forget that attacks on mail.in ballots are attacks on military voters:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/11/10/gop-list-of-alleged-voter-fraud-nevada-contains-hundreds-of-military-addresses.html

Yes, and last week when Philly only had Military ballots left to count and he and his supporters were shouting “Stop The Count!” he was effectively trying to disenfranchise the troops.

[Just Joe]

Maybe an unarmed military ought to march on the WH and protest real obnoxiously? ;)

Or better yet, remember this clearly and vote for someone else next time. Meanwhile give the rest of the GOP an ear full.

[OtherJen]

Here's your daily WTF. You cannot make up this shit.

Reuters: Trump campaign surveys supporters over perceived attack by Fox News

The campaign surveys, which were emailed to supporters and available on its website this week, includes questions such as “Do you agree Fox News should recall their Arizona projection for Joe Biden?” and “Do you agree media outlets, such as Fox News, should be held accountable for misleading the public?”

[OtherJen]

And here's a real outrage:

Bridge Magazine: Five suits now target Michigan’s election. One seeks to toss out 1.2M votes.

One new federal lawsuit, filed Wednesday with the U.S. District Court in west Michigan on behalf of four Michigan voters, contains no original allegation and rehashes other lawsuits as well as tweets and blog posts. It seeks to eliminate all of the votes in Wayne, Washtenaw and Ingham counties.

That would mean invalidating over 1.2 million votes from the election — or over 20 percent of the record 5.5 million votes cast in Michigan. It would also mean Trump, rather than losing by 147,000 votes, would win by over 322,000 votes.

(That includes my county, by the way. Shit is getting personal.)

[Alfred J Quack]

Twist: that person who thought Biden was a pedophile voted for him anyway because he wanted a democratic President to be a check on McConnell's ambitions.

Double Twist: That person was M. Night Shyamalan

Has Trump done nothing outrageous today to warrant conversation?

Oh, here's something - now he's claiming there's a "Medical Deep State" which is out to get him.  The apparent 'evidence' here is that Pfizer announced the results of its preliminary vaccine trials a week AFTER the election, thereby 'stealing' it from him.

Doesn't take much to sink this notion.  While Pfizer is participating in the government's distribution efforts, they didn't sign on to 'Project Warp Speed's' vaccine development.  So basically Trump's own government-funded effort to develop a vaccine "in record time" failed to outpace private industry. And a quick glance at Pfizer's trial results nothing nefarious about the timing... the company announced its results as soon as it could, and by 'typical' vaccine standards actually rushed the announcement.  The data wasn't available to make an announcement before Nov 3rd.

To be fair, the BioNtech-Pfizer cooperation got funded through Germany and the EU: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2081

So I wouldn't call it private industry but publicly funded private industry. This is not all that uncommon in the EU because when private industry finances something like this by itself, the cost for the medicine is usually prohibitively high.

[bacchi]

So I wouldn't call it private industry but publicly funded private industry. This is not all that uncommon in the EU because when private industry finances something like this by itself, the cost for the medicine is usually prohibitively high.

In the US, when an NIH government grant helps research medicine, the cost for the medicine is still usually prohibitively high.

[bacchi]

And here's a real outrage:

Bridge Magazine: Five suits now target Michigan’s election. One seeks to toss out 1.2M votes.

One new federal lawsuit, filed Wednesday with the U.S. District Court in west Michigan on behalf of four Michigan voters, contains no original allegation and rehashes other lawsuits as well as tweets and blog posts. It seeks to eliminate all of the votes in Wayne, Washtenaw and Ingham counties.

That would mean invalidating over 1.2 million votes from the election — or over 20 percent of the record 5.5 million votes cast in Michigan. It would also mean Trump, rather than losing by 147,000 votes, would win by over 322,000 votes.

(That includes my county, by the way. Shit is getting personal.)

Snort. The Judge should penalize the lawyer for filing a frivolous suit.

[nereo]

Were Trump's flurry of political rallies before the election "super-spreader events"?  Early signs point to an emphatic YES

More than 130 secret service officers are currently infected with Covid and/or quarantining due to exposure from Trump's rallies the final week of his campaign.


Hooollllllyy Crap.
Meanwhile, the US has hit new records for daily cases 4 days in a row. 
Wrong direction people!!

[OtherJen]

And here's a real outrage:

Bridge Magazine: Five suits now target Michigan’s election. One seeks to toss out 1.2M votes.

One new federal lawsuit, filed Wednesday with the U.S. District Court in west Michigan on behalf of four Michigan voters, contains no original allegation and rehashes other lawsuits as well as tweets and blog posts. It seeks to eliminate all of the votes in Wayne, Washtenaw and Ingham counties.

That would mean invalidating over 1.2 million votes from the election — or over 20 percent of the record 5.5 million votes cast in Michigan. It would also mean Trump, rather than losing by 147,000 votes, would win by over 322,000 votes.

(That includes my county, by the way. Shit is getting personal.)

Snort. The Judge should penalize the lawyer for filing a frivolous suit.

I’m hoping that will happen. Isn’t there a glut of people with JDs? Maybe it’s time to disbar the ones filing these suits.

[Glenstache]

Were Trump's flurry of political rallies before the election "super-spreader events"?  Early signs point to an emphatic YES

More than 130 secret service officers are currently infected with Covid and/or quarantining due to exposure from Trump's rallies the final week of his campaign.


Hooollllllyy Crap.
Meanwhile, the US has hit new records for daily cases 4 days in a row. 
Wrong direction people!!

The human toll of Trump's incompetence and willful disregard are continually shocking and saddening. Shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and try to get away with it? Why set the bar at killing so few people and get away with it? Coming into the holidays with hospital capacity in rural areas already strained, I am scared for what the rest of 2020 has in store.