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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7450 on: February 15, 2021, 02:56:34 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

That's my understanding of the situation.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7451 on: February 15, 2021, 03:00:25 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Do you think the Capitol police are aware of this, or should we send them a heads up??

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7452 on: February 15, 2021, 03:15:10 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Do you think the Capitol police are aware of this, or should we send them a heads up??
To do what, exactly?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7453 on: February 15, 2021, 05:12:47 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Do you think the Capitol police are aware of this, or should we send them a heads up??
To do what, exactly?

To be on the lookout for traitors who, when it doesn't happen, will attempt to storm the capital.

Their intelligence department apparently doesn't monitor the alt-right.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7454 on: February 15, 2021, 06:15:18 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Do you think the Capitol police are aware of this, or should we send them a heads up??
To do what, exactly?

To be on the lookout for traitors who, when it doesn't happen, will attempt to storm the capital.

Their intelligence department apparently doesn't monitor the alt-right.

They’re white, nominally “Christian,” and vote Republican. Of course they only have the nation’s best interests at heart. They could never possibly be criminals. /sarcasm

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7455 on: February 15, 2021, 06:17:36 PM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Do you think the Capitol police are aware of this, or should we send them a heads up??
To do what, exactly?

To be on the lookout for traitors who, when it doesn't happen, will attempt to storm the capital.

Their intelligence department apparently doesn't monitor the alt-right.

They’re white, nominally “Christian,” and vote Republican. Of course they only have the nation’s best interests at heart. They could never possibly be criminals. /sarcasm

Yeah, agree it's not so much them *knowing* so much as taking it seriously.

OTOH, I was really worried about the inauguration and that worked out, so maybe they learned their lesson at least a little bit?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7456 on: February 15, 2021, 07:24:06 PM »
I figured this is why they are keeping at least some of the national guard troops on well into March.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7457 on: February 15, 2021, 08:25:33 PM »
The 10 to 15 times median income is shooting wayyy too low. I’m middle aged or so and have about 35 times the median income (actually DW have... so count me at 17.5 times), and I feel like there’s lots of upside on the money front before seeking absolute power. Then again, when DW and I discuss what we would do with all that money, we talk about how we would pursue more power to straighten up all that is wrong with the world.  So maybe you have a persuasive argument.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7458 on: February 16, 2021, 05:21:56 AM »
"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible."  Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune
Just for reality's sake: It is scientifically proven (psycological experiments) that power does do corrupt.
Both things are true ;)

To be on the lookout for traitors who, when it doesn't happen, will attempt to storm the capital.
Yesterday I watched a comedian video, and laughed my ass off here:

https://youtu.be/zUi1YjYc7hg?t=839

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Then again, when DW and I discuss what we would do with all that money, we talk about how we would pursue more power to straighten up all that is wrong with the world.
Yeah, that is power too. The raod to hell...
 
Just look at Billy the money Gate.
He just wanted to help people, but since he is a billionaire, he has so much power (including with his help projects) that he can go against governments, and millions of people seem to think he only wants to enslave him by hiding a invisible chip in a vaccine.
(btw. I wonder why I haven't seen so far that this is the reason why car manufacturers and CPU makers like AMD can't get enough chips. I guess this sounds too logical - it has a connection to reality.)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7459 on: February 16, 2021, 05:59:17 AM »
What do you have against the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, @LennStar?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7460 on: February 16, 2021, 06:15:07 AM »
The 10 to 15 times median income is shooting wayyy too low. I’m middle aged or so and have about 35 times the median income (actually DW have... so count me at 17.5 times), and I feel like there’s lots of upside on the money front before seeking absolute power. Then again, when DW and I discuss what we would do with all that money, we talk about how we would pursue more power to straighten up all that is wrong with the world.  So maybe you have a persuasive argument.

Before we go too far in the wrong direction, when I was describing an opulent lifestyle, I had in mind a lifestyle with income at fifteen times the median, i.e. about $825,000 annually. The congressional salary is only twenty percent of this, but many in Congress have income from other sources. By rule of 4%, only perhaps two dozen would be able to generate this passively.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7461 on: February 16, 2021, 08:45:46 AM »
Just look at Billy the money Gate.
He just wanted to help people, but since he is a billionaire, he has so much power (including with his help projects) that he can go against governments, and millions of people seem to think he only wants to enslave him by hiding a invisible chip in a vaccine.
(btw. I wonder why I haven't seen so far that this is the reason why car manufacturers and CPU makers like AMD can't get enough chips. I guess this sounds too logical - it has a connection to reality.)

And you actually believe that idiotic conspiracy-theory bullshit? I thought that was the exclusive domain of QAnon types. Let me put your mind at ease: vaccines do not contain tiny microchips that track you or mind control you or whatever, and 5G towers do not cause COVID. That's not how any of this works.

Bill Gates was not exactly a nice guy when he was in the business of raising Microsoft to the dominant position it's in now, but I have no problem with anything the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has done. He seems to be legitimately trying to help make the world a better place. Or you know, buy his place in history as a philanthropist, same as the Rockefeller and Carnegie and similar did. The practical effect either way is the same.

Oops, you guys are right, I hear it now.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7462 on: February 16, 2021, 10:13:46 AM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Crazy right? these people are lost souls

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7463 on: February 16, 2021, 10:52:18 AM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Crazy right? these people are lost souls
Humans believe all kinds of crazy shit. Just think of how many people send money to televangelists. I'm not sure believing Trump is any crazier than believing Joel Osteen. Both see the true believers as marks.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7464 on: February 16, 2021, 12:21:48 PM »
Just look at Billy the money Gate.
He just wanted to help people, but since he is a billionaire, he has so much power (including with his help projects) that he can go against governments, and millions of people seem to think he only wants to enslave him by hiding a invisible chip in a vaccine.
(btw. I wonder why I haven't seen so far that this is the reason why car manufacturers and CPU makers like AMD can't get enough chips. I guess this sounds too logical - it has a connection to reality.)

And you actually believe that idiotic conspiracy-theory bullshit? I thought that was the exclusive domain of QAnon types. Let me put your mind at ease: vaccines do not contain tiny microchips that track you or mind control you or whatever, and 5G towers do not cause COVID. That's not how any of this works.

I'm guessing Lennstar was being ironic.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7465 on: February 16, 2021, 02:01:59 PM »
Just look at Billy the money Gate.
He just wanted to help people, but since he is a billionaire, he has so much power (including with his help projects) that he can go against governments, and millions of people seem to think he only wants to enslave him by hiding a invisible chip in a vaccine.
(btw. I wonder why I haven't seen so far that this is the reason why car manufacturers and CPU makers like AMD can't get enough chips. I guess this sounds too logical - it has a connection to reality.)

And you actually believe that idiotic conspiracy-theory bullshit? I thought that was the exclusive domain of QAnon types. Let me put your mind at ease: vaccines do not contain tiny microchips that track you or mind control you or whatever, and 5G towers do not cause COVID. That's not how any of this works.

I'm guessing Lennstar was being ironic.
yes I was going to say this. Or sarcastic.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7466 on: February 16, 2021, 04:55:24 PM »
The convoluted logic of this just leaves one's head spinning:

Trump, a one-term president, called McConnell (the longest-serving senate party leader in person) an "unsmiling political hack and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again" in a statement released today.   Further, he said McConnell has "no credibility on China" because his wife - who was Trump's own cabinet secretary for Transportation and immigrated from Taiwain - has family financial holdings in China. For his part, as recently as 2016 Trump outlined plans to open Trump-branded hotels in as many as 30 Chinese cities.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7467 on: February 16, 2021, 06:11:36 PM »
The convoluted logic of this just leaves one's head spinning:

Trump, a one-term president, called McConnell (the longest-serving senate party leader in person) an "unsmiling political hack and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again" in a statement released today.   Further, he said McConnell has "no credibility on China" because his wife - who was Trump's own cabinet secretary for Transportation and immigrated from Taiwain - has family financial holdings in China. For his part, as recently as 2016 Trump outlined plans to open Trump-branded hotels in as many as 30 Chinese cities.

McConnell can't say I didn't warn him:  email to his account at senate.gov on February 1, 2021

Senator Mitch McConnell                                  Markbike528
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Senator McConnell: 

If you care about the United States Constitution, then you will take the opportunity to remove the cancer of Trump-ism from the body politic, by affirming measures to censure and remove Donald Trump from any public office or position of influence.  This action is on the grounds of insurrection against the United States of America.

Failure to censure Trump will result in _you_ being remembered in the same vein as Paul Hindenburg in 1933, as tired old men who gave up after being badgered by a demagogue.
Donald Trump uses intimidation, humiliation and lies to gain and keep power.

Lies as modus operandi for Trump

Trump: "Ted Cruz is a total hypocrite and, until recently, a Canadian citizen who may not even have a legal right to run for president."1

Self projection as modus operandi for Trump

Trump: "He'll [Senator Cruz] say whatever he wants to say. I actually think he's a very unstable person. I really believe that. I think he's a very unstable person. But I've never had somebody take something that you believe in and just say the exact opposite."1

Donald Trump has infected the Republican Party with Stockholm Syndrome. As noted previously, vile attacks on others result in the victim being devoted to the person of Donald Trump.

Those quotes from Trump are about someone who actually did his bidding on that awful January 6th2. Does anyone truly believe that Trump’s opinion of these useful tools have changed? Does anyone believe their loyalty would be reciprocated by Donald Trump?  --- added bold for this post.

Donald Trump wields a stick of bluster and intimidation, but no carrot for the Republican Party.

The mid-term elections under Trump in 2018 resulted in 41 extra Democrats being seated in the House.  The gubernatorial elections resulted in a 7 extra Democrats gaining seats.  The Senate was the only Republican gain of 2 seats. 

The 2020 elections resulted in a gain for Republicans  of 13 seats, which did not make up for the losses of 2018.  The Senate lost 3 Republican seats, losing the majority control.

If all you care about is the Republican Party, or if you care at all for the Republican Party, then you will take the opportunity to remove the cancer of Trump-ism from the Republican Party, by affirming measures to censure and remove Donald Trump from any public office or position of influence.

Sincerely Yours in hope for the United States and its Constitution,

markbike528..... redacted actual name.
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1)  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cruz-feud-history-worst-attacks-2016-9
2) Congressional Record --- Senate January 6, 2021 pages S31, S32 and S38.


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To be a Republican, one must stand separate from the cult of Trump. 
Despite what Trump and Democrats may say, there is no equivalence between a Trump cultist and a member of the  Republican Party.
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.

Tl;Dr   If I was a trump supporter, I'd be on the lookout for rogue buses, because tRUMP has not and will not hesitate to throw anyone under the bus.   

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7468 on: February 16, 2021, 11:28:00 PM »
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.
It was my understanding the position of President is held by an individual not a Party.  That is to say, once the President is elected, the Party they align with can not simply choose to change who the President is.

Trump as an individual, who nominally agreed to align with the GOP, gained 70+ million votes during the last Presidential election.

It's about time those voters, each and every one of them, accept the reality of the fact that they chose to vote for Trump, not for the GOP, and stop trying to make rationalisations and excuses for their decision.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7469 on: February 17, 2021, 04:13:32 AM »
What do you have against the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, @LennStar?
Nothing that works harhar

i wrote about what the nuts believe, not what I think. (I admit I don't agree on some things the foundation does.)

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« Reply #7470 on: February 17, 2021, 05:10:39 AM »
What do you have against the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, @LennStar?
Nothing that works harhar

i wrote about what the nuts believe, not what I think. (I admit I don't agree on some things the foundation does.)

It was the preamble to that, where you referred to him by one of the derogatory nickname his detractors use. It was unclear whether you were belittling the person, or simply repeating others (and if so, why?)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7471 on: February 17, 2021, 06:13:11 AM »
So apparently QAnon is now expecting Biden to be arrested and Trump sworn into office on March 4 as that is the "historic" date of inauguration.

Crazy right? these people are lost souls
Humans believe all kinds of crazy shit. Just think of how many people send money to televangelists. I'm not sure believing Trump is any crazier than believing Joel Osteen. Both see the true believers as marks.

I hear ya, but at least Joel largely preaches positive messages. Shit, as much of an atheist as I am, give me POTUS Joel 100x out of 100 over Trump lol.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7472 on: February 17, 2021, 06:32:08 AM »
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.
It was my understanding the position of President is held by an individual not a Party.  That is to say, once the President is elected, the Party they align with can not simply choose to change who the President is.

Trump as an individual, who nominally agreed to align with the GOP, gained 70+ million votes during the last Presidential election.

It's about time those voters, each and every one of them, accept the reality of the fact that they chose to vote for Trump, not for the GOP, and stop trying to make rationalisations and excuses for their decision.

Republicans could have changed who the President was in the Impeachment trial of January/February 2020. They thought that sticking with Trump would increase the odds of keeping the White House. Given the information that was available at the time, I'm not sure they were wrong.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7473 on: February 17, 2021, 10:35:54 AM »
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.
It was my understanding the position of President is held by an individual not a Party.  That is to say, once the President is elected, the Party they align with can not simply choose to change who the President is.

Trump as an individual, who nominally agreed to align with the GOP, gained 70+ million votes during the last Presidential election.

It's about time those voters, each and every one of them, accept the reality of the fact that they chose to vote for Trump, not for the GOP, and stop trying to make rationalisations and excuses for their decision.

Republicans could have changed who the President was in the Impeachment trial of January/February 2020. They thought that sticking with Trump would increase the odds of keeping the White House. Given the information that was available at the time, I'm not sure they were wrong.
This is entirely true. It was in the hands of Republicans to either censure and dump Trump, or be loyal to Trump (over the country's best interests). They chose Trump. We should never forget this.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7474 on: February 17, 2021, 01:58:24 PM »
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.
It was my understanding the position of President is held by an individual not a Party.  That is to say, once the President is elected, the Party they align with can not simply choose to change who the President is.

Trump as an individual, who nominally agreed to align with the GOP, gained 70+ million votes during the last Presidential election.

It's about time those voters, each and every one of them, accept the reality of the fact that they chose to vote for Trump, not for the GOP, and stop trying to make rationalisations and excuses for their decision.

Republicans could have changed who the President was in the Impeachment trial of January/February 2020. They thought that sticking with Trump would increase the odds of keeping the White House. Given the information that was available at the time, I'm not sure they were wrong.

While that may be true, it's such a sad testament to where we're at—caring only about maintaining/expanding power, and not about doing what's right. You see that with the censuring of Senator Cheney, Senator Toomey, etc., who dared to speak out against Trump.

Maybe I'm a blind partisan hack, but I don't see Democrats behaving this way. You need not look any further than Al Franken or Katie Hill to see evidence of this.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7475 on: February 17, 2021, 02:54:12 PM »
Winning power affects which ideas get a seat at the table. Winning power reflects the will of the people and winning power enables the movement of policy that will ultimately affect quality of life.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7476 on: February 17, 2021, 02:54:42 PM »
Trump did not have "70+ million votes", he had votes of the Republican Party, a minority of whom are Trump cultists.
It was my understanding the position of President is held by an individual not a Party.  That is to say, once the President is elected, the Party they align with can not simply choose to change who the President is.

Trump as an individual, who nominally agreed to align with the GOP, gained 70+ million votes during the last Presidential election.

It's about time those voters, each and every one of them, accept the reality of the fact that they chose to vote for Trump, not for the GOP, and stop trying to make rationalisations and excuses for their decision.

Republicans could have changed who the President was in the Impeachment trial of January/February 2020. They thought that sticking with Trump would increase the odds of keeping the White House. Given the information that was available at the time, I'm not sure they were wrong.
Well yes, but I was referring to the election process.

And after the impeachment trial in 2020 the nomination for President during the 2020 election was Trump specifically - not a vote for the GOP in general to choose whoever they wanted to be President after the election.  Trump got 70+ million votes.  Not the Republican Party.  Those 70+ million people voted for Trump and it's time they owned that decision.  No amount of obfuscating about actually really truly only voting for the GOP and not really wanting Trump at all changes that fact.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7477 on: February 17, 2021, 04:07:53 PM »
Winning power affects which ideas get a seat at the table. Winning power reflects the will of the people and winning power enables the movement of policy that will ultimately affect quality of life.

With all due respect, this feels pretty hand-wavy, and ignores several things:

1. "The will of the people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. That 43 Senators (who represent a hell of a lot fewer Americans than the other 57) can block the actual will of the people to hold a former president to account for inciting an insurrection seems to be reflecting a dangerous minority's will.
2. The bi-directionality of influence is ignored. Trump supporters didn't just come up with this "stolen election" idea on their own—Trump told them this lie, and whipped them into a fury. The Republican party largely supported this. How is (attempting to) win by enabling blatant and dangerous lies good for anyone? And isn't it troubling to you that Republicans apparently have decided abandoning reality is their best path forward?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7478 on: February 17, 2021, 04:22:09 PM »
Winning power affects which ideas get a seat at the table. Winning power reflects the will of the people and winning power enables the movement of policy that will ultimately affect quality of life.

With all due respect, this feels pretty hand-wavy, and ignores several things:

1. "The will of the people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. That 43 Senators (who represent a hell of a lot fewer Americans than the other 57) can block the actual will of the people to hold a former president to account for inciting an insurrection seems to be reflecting a dangerous minority's will.
2. The bi-directionality of influence is ignored. Trump supporters didn't just come up with this "stolen election" idea on their own—Trump told them this lie, and whipped them into a fury. The Republican party largely supported this. How is (attempting to) win by enabling blatant and dangerous lies good for anyone? And isn't it troubling to you that Republicans apparently have decided abandoning reality is their best path forward?

Republicans have firmly entrenched policy approaches that run counter-majority.  Their supporters expect this entrenchment of policy and will viciously punish any Republican who tries to change them to a more popular path.  That has forced the party into a situation where they're losing in popularity - slowly but steadily.

The party has been grasping at straws to maintain a level of power disproportionate to the will of the people for quite a while now.  Their senate power is a legal example of this.  Their blatant race based voter suppression is an illegal example of this.  But they need to grasp at every straw, and we will see this behavior only worsening in the future (Trump's reality denying lies are just another example of this straw grasping).  Otherwise they'll fade into irrelevance.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7479 on: February 17, 2021, 07:27:45 PM »
Winning power affects which ideas get a seat at the table. Winning power reflects the will of the people and winning power enables the movement of policy that will ultimately affect quality of life.

With all due respect, this feels pretty hand-wavy, and ignores several things:

1. "The will of the people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. That 43 Senators (who represent a hell of a lot fewer Americans than the other 57) can block the actual will of the people to hold a former president to account for inciting an insurrection seems to be reflecting a dangerous minority's will.
2. The bi-directionality of influence is ignored. Trump supporters didn't just come up with this "stolen election" idea on their own—Trump told them this lie, and whipped them into a fury. The Republican party largely supported this. How is (attempting to) win by enabling blatant and dangerous lies good for anyone? And isn't it troubling to you that Republicans apparently have decided abandoning reality is their best path forward?

Republicans have firmly entrenched policy approaches that run counter-majority.  Their supporters expect this entrenchment of policy and will viciously punish any Republican who tries to change them to a more popular path.  That has forced the party into a situation where they're losing in popularity - slowly but steadily.

The party has been grasping at straws to maintain a level of power disproportionate to the will of the people for quite a while now.  Their senate power is a legal example of this.  Their blatant race based voter suppression is an illegal example of this.  But they need to grasp at every straw, and we will see this behavior only worsening in the future (Trump's reality denying lies are just another example of this straw grasping).  Otherwise they'll fade into irrelevance.

It's unfortunate that the US system basically enforces a 2 party system.  There is room for a more rational conservative party there.

Of course I say this when we have the same gap.  Where is my financially conservative socially progressive Canadian party?  Non-existent. :-(

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7480 on: February 17, 2021, 07:46:53 PM »
Because that's a fantasy. You really can't separate social from financial at a national level without hand waving over a lot of historic and current systemic issues that are far too serious to ignore.

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« Reply #7481 on: February 17, 2021, 08:16:07 PM »

Of course I say this when we have the same gap.  Where is my financially conservative socially progressive Canadian party?  Non-existent. :-(

The Greens fit your bill strangely enough. They aim for fiscal responsibility while switching to greener choices.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7482 on: February 18, 2021, 04:08:12 AM »
Winning power affects which ideas get a seat at the table. Winning power reflects the will of the people and winning power enables the movement of policy that will ultimately affect quality of life.
Slight but important correction:

Winning power reflects the will of the people that count.

And that is not nitpicking, that is the explanation of why the democracy in the US is in such a bad state. (For the rest read the book in my signature)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7483 on: February 18, 2021, 05:52:30 AM »
I accept the corrections.

The Republican party has indeed shown that their path toward power has very little to do with persuading the other side, and quite a bit to do with simply keeping the other side from exercising their vote.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7484 on: February 18, 2021, 06:30:37 AM »

Of course I say this when we have the same gap.  Where is my financially conservative socially progressive Canadian party?  Non-existent. :-(

The Greens fit your bill strangely enough. They aim for fiscal responsibility while switching to greener choices.

I know they do, I wrote that very thing on a thread here a few years ago.  But someone mentioned a few iffy things in their platform, I need to see if they have been improved.  And seriously, where I live I am throwing my vote away if I vote Green.  Last election I voted strategically, like a lot of my friends did.  This means I voted Liberal to be sure our Conservative candidate didn't get in.  I didn't want the Liberals and NDP to split the liberal vote. Seriously, the Conservatives are still mostly Reform.  And let's remember that a PC government closed Connaught lab, so now we have to import vaccines.
Rant over.   ;-)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7485 on: February 18, 2021, 07:22:33 AM »
Wait, political parties still have platforms? This is 2020 2021!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7486 on: February 18, 2021, 10:48:34 AM »
Wait, political parties still have platforms? This is 2020 2021!

In 2016 I was struck by the number of times I heard that HRC had “no policies” when she had some of the most wonkish and detailed ever put forth.  I didn’t agree with all of them, but they were there and they were highly detailed. Trump’s platform read much like his speeches: filled with superlative language but lacking in substance.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7487 on: February 18, 2021, 11:13:54 AM »
Wait, political parties still have platforms? This is 2020 2021!

In 2016 I was struck by the number of times I heard that HRC had “no policies” when she had some of the most wonkish and detailed ever put forth.  I didn’t agree with all of them, but they were there and they were highly detailed. Trump’s platform read much like his speeches: filled with superlative language but lacking in substance.

The RNC didn't update their platform last year. It's unclear if this was because it's now the Trump Party or if the establishment conservatives wanted to avoid lunacy (cf, Jewish Space Lasers) in the platform.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7488 on: February 18, 2021, 05:46:51 PM »
I know this is the Trump outrage of the day thread, but is it okay to talk about Ted Cruz?

“It’s too cold.  I’m going to Cancun!”

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7489 on: February 18, 2021, 06:53:31 PM »
I know this is the Trump outrage of the day thread, but is it okay to talk about Ted Cruz?

“It’s too cold.  I’m going to Cancun!”

The kids wanted to, though!

Uh, and you can't tell your kids "The roads aren't safe," like you just told the rest of the state??

Oh, and evidently, it was the wide coordinating things, not friends of the kids...
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7490 on: February 18, 2021, 06:58:49 PM »
I know this is the Trump outrage of the day thread, but is it okay to talk about Ted Cruz?

It may yet be, if Trump falls out of favor. Remember that he stole this particular crown from Cruz four years ago.



Loved this gem from his rather suspect response: "Of course, I understand why people are upset. Listen, we're in a strange time where Twitter's been going crazy and the media is going crazy and there's a lot of venom and vitriol that I think is unfortunate frankly on both sides," Cruz said. "I think everyone ought to treat each other with respect and decency and try to understand each other more particularly at a time of crisis. I got caught doing something selfish and unleadership-like and I'm going to just blame the media for catching me."
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7491 on: February 18, 2021, 09:49:15 PM »
He should have gone on a holiday to Australia, since Facebook decided to erase us all. He'd be away from social media.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7492 on: February 18, 2021, 10:13:57 PM »
He should have gone on a holiday to Australia, since Facebook decided to erase us all. He'd be away from social media.

We can't do that. To admit Australia exists is to be forced to admit there's more than one season occurring on Earth at the same time that isn't in the United States.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7493 on: February 19, 2021, 02:33:51 AM »
He should have gone on a holiday to Australia, since Facebook decided to erase us all. He'd be away from social media.

We can't do that. To admit Australia exists is to be forced to admit there's more than one season occurring on Earth at the same time that isn't in the United States.

He'd also have to admit that some countries didn't fuck up their COVID responses as badly as the US did.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7494 on: February 19, 2021, 03:59:59 AM »
He should have gone on a holiday to Australia, since Facebook decided to erase us all. He'd be away from social media.

We can't do that. To admit Australia exists is to be forced to admit there's more than one season occurring on Earth at the same time that isn't in the United States.

He'd also have to admit that some countries didn't fuck up their COVID responses as badly as the US did.
That's unfair. Australia is a single-country continent. No foreigners bringing in the virus and basically no high density areas.
You have to compare it to a country with many multi-million cities and several neignoring countries.
Like China. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7495 on: February 19, 2021, 04:21:28 AM »
He should have gone on a holiday to Australia, since Facebook decided to erase us all. He'd be away from social media.

We can't do that. To admit Australia exists is to be forced to admit there's more than one season occurring on Earth at the same time that isn't in the United States.

He'd also have to admit that some countries didn't fuck up their COVID responses as badly as the US did.
That's unfair. Australia is a single-country continent. No foreigners bringing in the virus and basically no high density areas.
You have to compare it to a country with many multi-million cities and several neignoring countries.
Like China. 
Australia is one of the most urbanised countries in the world.

There are a number of people bringing in the virus.

At one stage, recently, one of our states had a higher rate of transmission than the UK, but they managed to get it back to zero cases - the only place in the world to do so.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7496 on: February 19, 2021, 06:53:56 AM »
Indeed I have many Texan friends, and they are gloriously piling onto Sen. Cruz. I've even seen reporting that one of his wife's friends showed the text message exchange with Heidi Cruz in which they planned the trip as a spur-of-the-moment thing, giving the lie to the Senator's claims once he was caught.

I don't feel bad for Heidi Cruz: she's a powerhouse in finance and (in her own right) became a partner at Goldman Sachs. She should have the skillset to keep her personal business restricted to trustworthy people. She also is capable of earning $millions in a year, so if she doesn't want to suffer through a week without power, I cannot blame her.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7497 on: February 19, 2021, 06:55:05 AM »
Meanwhile, Beto O'Rourke--who lost the Senate election to Cruz in 2018--has been coordinating a volunteer staff of hundreds of people to bring supplies and comfort to the vulnerable.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7498 on: February 19, 2021, 07:49:49 AM »
Indeed I have many Texan friends, and they are gloriously piling onto Sen. Cruz. I've even seen reporting that one of his wife's friends showed the text message exchange with Heidi Cruz in which they planned the trip as a spur-of-the-moment thing, giving the lie to the Senator's claims once he was caught.

I don't feel bad for Heidi Cruz: she's a powerhouse in finance and (in her own right) became a partner at Goldman Sachs. She should have the skillset to keep her personal business restricted to trustworthy people. She also is capable of earning $millions in a year, so if she doesn't want to suffer through a week without power, I cannot blame her.

Yes. One of Heidi Cruz's friends released the private group text to the media and outed Ted's lies. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/539528-heidi-cruz-says-family-went-to-cancun-because-of-freezing-house-in-texts-nyt

Do we seriously think that anything will happen to Fled Cruz? It seems that all he will need to do is rant about socialism, say "Don't Mess with Texas" a bunch of times, bitch about liberals, and fire up a new batch of exceptionalist/secessionist/libertarian/bootstrap rhetoric. It seems to be working for Gov. Abbott. Their constituents are literally freezing to death and running out of water, but I suspect this will roll right off of them. They're Republicans in Texas. Memories are short, and this will be forgotten by the 2022 election (when presumably Abbott will be on the ballot) if they complain enough about voter fraud.

(I'm very cynical and disgusted by Republicans today and am incapable of being objective.)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7499 on: February 19, 2021, 07:58:27 AM »
I've read this satire article 3 times and it's still cracking me up:

Ted Cruz Honestly Surprised So Many People Want Him Around

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/18/ted-cruz-cancun-surprised-texas-wants-him-back/

It's hard to understand how he ever got elected.