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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6750 on: January 08, 2021, 04:08:09 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6751 on: January 08, 2021, 04:08:44 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:



He has none.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6752 on: January 08, 2021, 04:11:13 PM »
Thank you @JLee that was the info I was looking for, I think with all he raised after the election was really "called" he has plenty to pay for those services. <okay that sounded really harsh, I just think a lot of Americans who really can't afford it (esp. during these times) gave him entirely too much $ when we all knew he lost>
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6753 on: January 08, 2021, 04:12:20 PM »
Trump kinda needs the Osama bin Laden treatment at this stage.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6754 on: January 08, 2021, 04:14:31 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6755 on: January 08, 2021, 04:15:48 PM »
I am actually willing to pay for that because I don't want the consequences if he isn't properly protected.

Fair, but also Trump's a billionaire (theoretically). He's the richest man to ever be president. This ain't Jimmy Carter that we're talking about here.

Yes. His family has grifted the US taxpayers enough. Supposedly they can pay for their own security, and hopefully they'll be forced to do so.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6756 on: January 08, 2021, 04:18:32 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

 I hope the MAGA nutjobs are correct and this IS the rest of Graham's life. He has coddled Trump and coddled his supporters from the get-go.  He knows better, but he did it anyway.   Graham is a gutless, snivelling POS and deserves every bit of misery he has coming to him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6757 on: January 08, 2021, 04:23:04 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

 I hope the MAGA nutjobs are correct and this IS the rest of Graham's life. He has coddled Trump and coddled his supporters from the get-go.  He knows better, but he did it anyway.   Graham is a gutless, snivelling POS and deserves every bit of misery he has coming to him.

He is a gutless sniveling piece of shit . . . but he's not going anywhere politically.  Treating him like crap for (finally) doing the right thing is more likely to prevent him from admitting reality in the future than it is to prevent him from denying it in the first place.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6758 on: January 08, 2021, 04:28:06 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

 I hope the MAGA nutjobs are correct and this IS the rest of Graham's life. He has coddled Trump and coddled his supporters from the get-go.  He knows better, but he did it anyway.   Graham is a gutless, snivelling POS and deserves every bit of misery he has coming to him.

He is a gutless sniveling piece of shit . . . but he's not going anywhere politically.  Treating him like crap for (finally) doing the right thing is more likely to prevent him from admitting reality in the future than it is to prevent him from denying it in the first place.

Really struggling with this one, as we all know that he's only doing the right thing because it's politically expedient for him. He threw in his lot with Donald Trump. WTF did he expect would happen?


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6760 on: January 08, 2021, 04:46:06 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6761 on: January 08, 2021, 04:58:11 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

If he hadn’t totally effed the pandemic response, he probably would have.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6762 on: January 08, 2021, 04:59:10 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588


I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6763 on: January 08, 2021, 05:01:10 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.
wasn't it just his personal account?  They still have the official potus account.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6764 on: January 08, 2021, 05:04:07 PM »
Isn’t one agreeing to the Terms and Services when using these platforms?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6765 on: January 08, 2021, 05:08:00 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588


I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

He’s still welcome to communicate using official channels, but private companies are by no means obligated to provide anyone and platform whatsoever, for any reason.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6766 on: January 08, 2021, 05:14:11 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588


I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

He’s still welcome to communicate using official channels, but private companies are by no means obligated to provide anyone and platform whatsoever, for any reason.

I hear GuitarStv’s concern, but the converse is the government forcing private companies to broadcast propaganda, which would probably be worse than the president not being able to rant off the cuff in his pajamas. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6767 on: January 08, 2021, 05:20:08 PM »
As someone who is posting from their pajamas, I feel attacked

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6768 on: January 08, 2021, 05:27:32 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:



He has none.

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6769 on: January 08, 2021, 05:28:26 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

If he hadn’t totally effed the pandemic response, he probably would have.

I don't think people realize how close this election actually was. Trump, the least disliked president ever, was still a few percentage points away from a steamroll EC win.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6770 on: January 08, 2021, 05:29:55 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588


I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Twitter is under no obligation to provide natural justice or defend the free speech rights of anyone. You wanna tweet, you agree to the terms of use. Simple. Don't like it? Go start your own Twitter.

Remember the old trope about if the platform is free it means you are the product? Twitter has simply judged it's product is toxic and wants no association with it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6771 on: January 08, 2021, 05:30:50 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

If he hadn’t totally effed the pandemic response, he probably would have.

I don't think people realize how close this election actually was. Trump, the least disliked president ever, was still a few percentage points away from a steamroll EC win.

Normally, I would agree with you, but I hope that people remember it was so close that it took days to be sure. It was only two months ago...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6772 on: January 08, 2021, 05:40:19 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6773 on: January 08, 2021, 05:43:58 PM »


Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.

Of all the things he has done, there is something so sweet about bringing this one up :)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6774 on: January 08, 2021, 05:44:28 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6775 on: January 08, 2021, 05:48:02 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

 I hope the MAGA nutjobs are correct and this IS the rest of Graham's life. He has coddled Trump and coddled his supporters from the get-go.  He knows better, but he did it anyway.   Graham is a gutless, snivelling POS and deserves every bit of misery he has coming to him.

He is a gutless sniveling piece of shit . . . but he's not going anywhere politically.  Treating him like crap for (finally) doing the right thing is more likely to prevent him from admitting reality in the future than it is to prevent him from denying it in the first place.

He's another one who can stew in his own hypocrisy for a while. I watched him in an interview with Sean Hannity the day after the election declaring "everything should be on the table" including Congress simply throwing out the election and making the decision themselves. He was one of the first to promote these batshit ideas. He helped start this.

https://www.axios.com/ted-cruz-lindsey-graham-trump-election-1ff23822-6878-4d5c-98ef-aa07d7d492ad.html

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6776 on: January 08, 2021, 06:00:03 PM »
If the worst thing that happens to people like Hawley, Graham and Cruz is that people come up to them and yell that they still believe the lies that they told them, I'd say they got off pretty lucky.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6777 on: January 08, 2021, 06:38:06 PM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6778 on: January 08, 2021, 06:41:56 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:



He has none.

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.

Sociopaths do not feel shame.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6779 on: January 08, 2021, 06:49:23 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6780 on: January 08, 2021, 06:55:24 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6781 on: January 08, 2021, 07:11:11 PM »
Since the recent terrorist attack, I've been wondering what is the capacity of Gitmo?   

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6782 on: January 08, 2021, 07:13:29 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

I have nothing against Barron.  Growing up in the White House has never been a picnic for any First Kid.  Growing up the son of a sociopath isn't either. I can't imagine having to do both.  My uneducated belief is that Melania is counting the days till she can run away with him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6783 on: January 08, 2021, 07:17:04 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

I have nothing against Barron.  Growing up in the White House has never been a picnic for any First Kid.  Growing up the son of a sociopath isn't either. I can't imagine having to do both.  My uneducated belief is that Melania is counting the days till she can run away with him.

I mean, surely with her anti bullying campaign?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6784 on: January 08, 2021, 07:52:12 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.
and if impeached in the Senate will actually be prohibited from holding any other public office. He would not be able to be voted in as a dog catcher. It is a powerful antidote to 2024. It is also the right thing to do in the face of a president actually participating in sedition.

Trump really gets me fired up in a bad way. I'd love to see this happen and we never have to hear from this moron again. I'd love to see him bankrupt and living in the gutter.

I can't stand the guy.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6785 on: January 08, 2021, 07:55:46 PM »
Despite nearly the entirety of Trump's social media presence being banned, he had this to say on the @POTUS Twitter account while complaining about the ban: "... They are about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely..."

If you needed any evidence that he has no regrets about the attack and is back in true form.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6786 on: January 08, 2021, 07:59:13 PM »
Despite nearly the entirety of Trump's social media presence being banned, he had this to say on the @POTUS Twitter account while complaining about the ban: "... They are about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely..."

If you needed any evidence that he has no regrets about the attack and is back in true form.

They locked the POTUS account because his use of it violated their rules about evading bans...

I really wish the handful of Republicans with balls would start clamoring for impeachment proceedings to start NOW.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6787 on: January 08, 2021, 08:33:32 PM »
Trump really gets me fired up in a bad way. I'd love to see this happen and we never have to hear from this moron again. I'd love to see him bankrupt and living in the gutter.

I can't stand the guy.

Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6788 on: January 08, 2021, 09:26:48 PM »
I can't wait for a very public criminal proceedings against Traitor-in-Chief Trump to start. Democrats certainly have a interest in keeping the spotlight on this, as a sledgehammer against the Republicans, for future elections.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6789 on: January 08, 2021, 09:39:55 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6790 on: January 08, 2021, 09:44:01 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

Well, I'm actually meaning after the new president is sworn in.  I just hope I don't have to keep hearing about Trump all the time all year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6791 on: January 08, 2021, 09:49:39 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

Well, I'm actually meaning after the new president is sworn in.  I just hope I don't have to keep hearing about Trump all the time all year.

Agreed.

Given his past, his upcoming social media platform will go bankrupt fairly quickly and he'll become a has-been like...Newt or Rove.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6792 on: January 08, 2021, 10:27:24 PM »
What movie is the meme above from?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6793 on: January 08, 2021, 10:41:24 PM »
What movie is the meme above from?

The "shame" meme? Game of Thrones.

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« Reply #6794 on: January 09, 2021, 06:13:18 AM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Now wait a damn minute here.  Trump is not being “muzzled” by big tech. He’s being kicked off for flagrant and constant disregard for TOS and general decorum.  He’s had a record number of his tweets and re-tweets flagged and pulled down for a variety of valid reasons (inciting hate, being demonstrably untrue, for bullying, etc).
I think it’s safe to say that NO OTHER PERSON would have kept their twitter account for as long as he did had they acted in a similar manner.  Twitter and other social-media companies have been tying themselves in knots about how to enforce their policies with DJT without envoking his wrath and those of his followers.  Twitter also has zero obligation to permit everyone onto their platform Regardless of their actions (“right to refuse service...” and all that).

I find the opposite to be true - it would be unjust to allow him his twitter account after so many violations and warnings.  The message until now has been “POTUS will be judged far more leniently than celebrities, other politicians or you common folk”.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6795 on: January 09, 2021, 06:26:00 AM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Now wait a damn minute here.  Trump is not being “muzzled” by big tech. He’s being kicked off for flagrant and constant disregard for TOS and general decorum.  He’s had a record number of his tweets and re-tweets flagged and pulled down for a variety of valid reasons (inciting hate, being demonstrably untrue, for bullying, etc).
I think it’s safe to say that NO OTHER PERSON would have kept their twitter account for as long as he did had they acted in a similar manner.  Twitter and other social-media companies have been tying themselves in knots about how to enforce their policies with DJT without envoking his wrath and those of his followers.  Twitter also has zero obligation to permit everyone onto their platform Regardless of their actions (“right to refuse service...” and all that).

I find the opposite to be true - it would be unjust to allow him his twitter account after so many violations and warnings.  The message until now has been “POTUS will be judged far more leniently than celebrities, other politicians or you common folk”.

A lot of folks tend to forget that Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook are corporations that can do whatever the hell they want with their property. They are under no obligations to provide a forum for anyone to use their services - especially considering they're all provided at no cost to the user.  You can no more call for a riot on Twitter than you can standing on their front lawn with a bullhorn.
 Either one gets you rightly escorted off the premises.  The First Amendment does not apply here.  Also, all of these companies are doing precisely what a bipartisan Congress ordered them to do just a couple years ago. "Big Tech" has been accused of providing a voice to bullies, terrorists, traffickers, and whatever nefarious activities bug you. These Terms of Service were mandated by the government and we're seeing them put to use.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6796 on: January 09, 2021, 06:41:47 AM »
Trump still has the White House at his disposal.  He can hold press conferences, he can issue press statements, he can hold Cabinet meetings and meet and greets, he can issue Executive Orders.

In other words he can use all the available official methods for conducting official business as President.

What he can't do is use his position as President to issue implausibly deniable insurrectionist messages on private media. Colour me not sorry.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6797 on: January 09, 2021, 07:06:41 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

I would argue that even 'pure' patriotism, i.e. non-corrupted patriotism, is still not much of a virtue. At best it's benign and at worst it sows seeds of something quite malignant.

We are all citizens of the world, and though we might owe our individual countries a civic duty (e.g. to vote, to pay taxes), the notion of being proud of, and identifying strongly with, a geo-political entity simply because you were born there strikes me as a bit arbitrary and irrational. Particularly in this cosmopolitan day and age where your neighbours might have been born somewhere else, and speak a different language, and practise a different religion (or no religion). Perhaps it's because I grew up in three continents and therefore have no sense of patriotism to any given place, but I think the world would be better off without patriotism.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6798 on: January 09, 2021, 07:21:20 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

I would argue that even 'pure' patriotism, i.e. non-corrupted patriotism, is still not much of a virtue. At best it's benign and at worst it sows seeds of something quite malignant.

We are all citizens of the world, and though we might owe our individual countries a civic duty (e.g. to vote, to pay taxes), the notion of being proud of, and identifying strongly with, a geo-political entity simply because you were born there strikes me as a bit arbitrary and irrational. Particularly in this cosmopolitan day and age where your neighbours might have been born somewhere else, and speak a different language, and practise a different religion (or no religion). Perhaps it's because I grew up in three continents and therefore have no sense of patriotism to any given place, but I think the world would be better off without patriotism.

I understand what you are saying, but patriotisim isn't limited to one's nationality, no?  One can be a patriot for a particular cause (e.g. the homeless) or another affiliation (e.g. "the church" or "BLM").  On its face I see being a patriot as putting a cause/institution/country above ones personal interests.  That can be good, or detrimental.  As with any form of 'extremism', there's the tendency for bad, despite intentions.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6799 on: January 09, 2021, 07:33:20 AM »
What movie is the meme above from?

The "shame" meme? Game of Thrones.

Cool. I've only watched one episode so far. Eventually.