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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6700 on: January 08, 2021, 11:01:10 AM »
I don't understand what the hold up on the impeachment is.  They should have began impeachment vote at 4AM when they finally concluded the count.  Failing that, why aren't they impeaching him right now? What is more important than impeaching him this very minute?

While I think they should, I'm sure the political reality of not having 67 senators in favor is still there. Also, with a Senate trial that will take days, especially if republicans want to grandstand, there may not even be a vote by the time Trump's term is up.

The 25th amendment is instantaneous, but I don't think Pence will do that either.

I think the US attorney's and state attorney's are the best people to handle Trump in the coming weeks.

George Conway just tweeted something about having 67 votes to convict. I don't follow him closely, but I was not under the impression that he throws out blatantly false or exaggerated statements like this. Still, I have a hard time believing it is even possibly true.

I mean, I don't know how he would be considered an authority, since he is not a member of Congress.

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« Reply #6701 on: January 08, 2021, 11:01:44 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

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« Reply #6702 on: January 08, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »
I don't understand what the hold up on the impeachment is.  They should have began impeachment vote at 4AM when they finally concluded the count.  Failing that, why aren't they impeaching him right now? What is more important than impeaching him this very minute?

While I think they should, I'm sure the political reality of not having 67 senators in favor is still there. Also, with a Senate trial that will take days, especially if republicans want to grandstand, there may not even be a vote by the time Trump's term is up.

The 25th amendment is instantaneous, but I don't think Pence will do that either.

I think the US attorney's and state attorney's are the best people to handle Trump in the coming weeks.

George Conway just tweeted something about having 67 votes to convict. I don't follow him closely, but I was not under the impression that he throws out blatantly false or exaggerated statements like this. Still, I have a hard time believing it is even possibly true.

I mean, I don't know how he would be considered an authority, since he is not a member of Congress.

He's very well-connected. Would know better than a good percentage of House Republicans, I'm sure.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6703 on: January 08, 2021, 11:15:23 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I mean, to me, her radicalization is not even worth a mention. She tried to break into the capital. You do that on the best of days much less as a part of a mob of people with weapons, you take your life into your own hands. I mean, where are the "if she just followed the police officer's instructions" people on this one...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6704 on: January 08, 2021, 11:15:44 AM »
Whatever happens to Trump's presidency by January 20 will happen, but sadly the people involved in this attack and their supporters aren't going away anytime soon.

How does America prevent such political violence from happening again?

I rarely think violence is the answer, but it is in this case.  The punishment for a failed coup or a failed revolution should be having your head cut off.  Not figuratively, but literally. The fact that the GOP is so inept and incompetent shouldn't be an excuse for leniency.  Trump obviously, but all his top level sycophants that stood by an enabled him as well.  I realize that is a bit extreme, but so is this situation, and this isn't a situation that just accidentally happened.

A bit extreme....um....no.....just no. Everything about what happened at DC was horrific. Support jail time for Trump, for the people who rioted in DC, etc. fine. Support that the woman who was killed by authorities who was in the act of trying to break in is justified homicide, sure. But no, asinine statements about beheadings should not be made. To support this for sure but even to say it in jest (if that is what it was) is only a good thing if your goal is the further collapse of our country.

Maybe you're right and we should just continue to wag our finger and give stern looks as he plans another violent coup. 

What about if he incites another insurrection before Jan 20?   

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6705 on: January 08, 2021, 11:16:34 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I saw the video of her being shot. She was warned many times not to enter the room. She could only enter the room by breaking down a barricade and breaking a window. She was obviously trying to get in to murder the Vice President for having the nerve to do his Constitutional duties. It's sad that people died, but she deserved what she got.

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« Reply #6706 on: January 08, 2021, 11:18:25 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I mean, to me, her radicalization is not even worth a mention. She tried to break into the capital. You do that on the best of days much less as a part of a mob of people with weapons, you take your life into your own hands. I mean, where are the "if she just followed the police officer's instructions" people on this one...

That is what I meant by the first part of my statement. I probably should have left the second half out as irrelevant to the officer that shot her.

Most of her family is like "Tragedy...she was a bit obsessed" so far, only her husband has said "She was just trying to express her opinion." Wonder what he would do if someone broke into his house to express their opinion.

I AM NOT ACTUALLY ADVOCATING THAT WE BARRICADE TUCKER OR THAT SOMEONE ATTACK THE GRIEVING WIDOWER. Just in case that needs to be said.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6707 on: January 08, 2021, 11:21:41 AM »
She could only enter the room by breaking down a barricade and breaking a window. She was obviously trying to get in to murder the Vice President for having the nerve to do his Constitutional duties. It's sad that people died, but she deserved what she got.

Even if she wasn't personally trying to lynch the VP, the mob definitely was (or at least the police had good reason to think so, see the "Hang Mike Pence" video), and once someone breaks down the barriers and people start streaming through it's too late. She was the point person on a lynch mob specifically coming after the Vice President of all people, the shooting was definitely justified.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6708 on: January 08, 2021, 11:32:01 AM »
Tucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721Ja6aOYSo
Sounds really nice till about the 3 minute mark, and then he let's slip his casual racism when he goes on about how that Babbit girl "did not look particularly radical" like the other protesters who were "annihilistic.... wrecking our cities". He can't let go of his racism even in a "we need to fix it" video when the democracy is under attack.

Tucker is a master at presenting his argument as if it were an objective look at an uncomfortable topic - right before he launches into some xenophobic racist BS (phrased as if he's merely stating the facts in the matter, and not passing judgement).

I suspect this is why so many fall for it, and why he has the top rated show in its segment.  He provides a scapegoat and fuels hate all while pretending that's not what his intentions are.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6709 on: January 08, 2021, 11:48:02 AM »
Tucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721Ja6aOYSo
Sounds really nice till about the 3 minute mark, and then he let's slip his casual racism when he goes on about how that Babbit girl "did not look particularly radical" like the other protesters who were "annihilistic.... wrecking our cities". He can't let go of his racism even in a "we need to fix it" video when the democracy is under attack.

I don't have cable news and never normally hear anything from Tucker, but I did out of curiosity after you linked to it.  He takes just a few seconds over the full video to compare her to people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing.  He seemed to be referring more to their "actions".  Yes, he said "dressed" in black, and was not referring to race.  He made no reference to race issues.  It's quite a charge to call someone racist when there's no evidence of it.  The term loses its meaning when thrown around where it doesn't apply, even for those few seconds.  Since I don't know him, I can't say whether he is racist or not, but I didn't see that in the video.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6710 on: January 08, 2021, 11:54:30 AM »
Whatever happens to Trump's presidency by January 20 will happen, but sadly the people involved in this attack and their supporters aren't going away anytime soon.

How does America prevent such political violence from happening again?

I rarely think violence is the answer, but it is in this case.  The punishment for a failed coup or a failed revolution should be having your head cut off.  Not figuratively, but literally. The fact that the GOP is so inept and incompetent shouldn't be an excuse for leniency.  Trump obviously, but all his top level sycophants that stood by an enabled him as well.  I realize that is a bit extreme, but so is this situation, and this isn't a situation that just accidentally happened.

A bit extreme....um....no.....just no. Everything about what happened at DC was horrific. Support jail time for Trump, for the people who rioted in DC, etc. fine. Support that the woman who was killed by authorities who was in the act of trying to break in is justified homicide, sure. But no, asinine statements about beheadings should not be made. To support this for sure but even to say it in jest (if that is what it was) is only a good thing if your goal is the further collapse of our country.

Maybe you're right and we should just continue to wag our finger and give stern looks as he plans another violent coup. 

What about if he incites another insurrection before Jan 20?

C'mon man. I only commented on your post because I've read enough of what you've wrote to know you're better than this. There's two ways of looking at this. What we could actually accomplish and what we would  do if we were dictator for a day. Your question is about what if he incites another insurrection before January 20th. In terms of what we actually could do, there's very little we can do fast enough as a society to stop that from happening. He could be impeached, removed from office, certainly. What are the chances of him actually ending up in jail before January 20th given both present realities and the way our society is set up - pretty small. So even though FB and Twitter have banned him, unless he is in jail without access to the ability to communicate, he could potentially put out information that inspires more insurrection.

Moving on to the what would we do if we could do anything - you could stop it by putting him in jail, solitary confinement, no access to technology or ability to talk to anyone or whatever - again, if we're talking about what we would do if we could do whatever. That would prevent him from putting out communications that caused an insurrection, although you could hypothesize that the very act itself could cause some sort of violence.

Either of these two options would be doing something more than wagging our fingers at him without a literal - your word - execution by beheading. Your comment implying the options I presented would be a finger wag is disingenuous, and your idea to execute not just Trump but a nebulous amount of "top level sycophants" is beyond over the top and would lead to immeasurably more problems than it would solve. Again, you're better than this.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6711 on: January 08, 2021, 12:32:04 PM »
Maybe I'm a bit fired up.  I'm so sick of the bullshit and what they are allowed to get away with.  The law should have been enforced years ago to peacefully remove that monster before it escalated to this.  Consequences should be severe.


After a mild slap on the wrist he has his twitter back.

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The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!

Sounds like he totally learned his lesson and is trying to heal the nation. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6712 on: January 08, 2021, 12:40:00 PM »
Maybe I'm a bit fired up.  I'm so sick of the bullshit and what they are allowed to get away with.  The law should have been enforced years ago to peacefully remove that monster before it escalated to this.  Consequences should be severe.


After a mild slap on the wrist he has his twitter back.

Quote from: Trump on Twitter
The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!

Sounds like he totally learned his lesson and is trying to heal the nation.


I had the same reaction.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6713 on: January 08, 2021, 12:48:38 PM »
Tucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721Ja6aOYSo
Sounds really nice till about the 3 minute mark, and then he let's slip his casual racism when he goes on about how that Babbit girl "did not look particularly radical" like the other protesters who were "annihilistic.... wrecking our cities". He can't let go of his racism even in a "we need to fix it" video when the democracy is under attack.

I don't have cable news and never normally hear anything from Tucker, but I did out of curiosity after you linked to it.  He takes just a few seconds over the full video to compare her to people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing.  He seemed to be referring more to their "actions".  Yes, he said "dressed" in black, and was not referring to race.  He made no reference to race issues.  It's quite a charge to call someone racist when there's no evidence of it.  The term loses its meaning when thrown around where it doesn't apply, even for those few seconds.  Since I don't know him, I can't say whether he is racist or not, but I didn't see that in the video.

I want to point out here that many of these "people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing" were later identified to be white supremacists trying to discredit BLM.  There's been a lot of both-side-ism going on from the likes of Tucker Carlson and his followers, but they never mention the fact that white supremacists were responsible for burning police stations, vandalizing/looting businesses, and murdering police last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/mitchell-carlson-umbrella-man/

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« Reply #6714 on: January 08, 2021, 12:50:26 PM »
Tucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721Ja6aOYSo
Sounds really nice till about the 3 minute mark, and then he let's slip his casual racism when he goes on about how that Babbit girl "did not look particularly radical" like the other protesters who were "annihilistic.... wrecking our cities". He can't let go of his racism even in a "we need to fix it" video when the democracy is under attack.

I don't have cable news and never normally hear anything from Tucker, but I did out of curiosity after you linked to it.  He takes just a few seconds over the full video to compare her to people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing.  He seemed to be referring more to their "actions".  Yes, he said "dressed" in black, and was not referring to race.  He made no reference to race issues.  It's quite a charge to call someone racist when there's no evidence of it.  The term loses its meaning when thrown around where it doesn't apply, even for those few seconds.  Since I don't know him, I can't say whether he is racist or not, but I didn't see that in the video.

I want to point out here that many of these "people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing" were later identified to be white supremacists trying to discredit BLM.  There's been a lot of both-side-ism going on from the likes of Tucker Carlson and his followers, but they never mention the fact that white supremacists were responsible for burning police stations, vandalizing/looting businesses, and murdering police last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/mitchell-carlson-umbrella-man/

Why just today I was told that if BLM were out protesting the police murdering people, you can't believe the police reports that the people that they were arresting were actually proving to be right wing...faulty logic, I am told...I didn't respond.

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« Reply #6715 on: January 08, 2021, 12:52:29 PM »
He takes just a few seconds over the full video to compare her to ...... 
"Framing" does not require any more of that, assuming it is repeated and reinforced often.
"Scary Blacks are rampaging. How dare they protest? Any concerned citizen obviously has the right to dispose of a few of 'em as they see fit! Patriots like Zimmerman and McMichael need our support!!"


It's quite a charge to call someone racist when there's no evidence of it.

Ah! Evidence! https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890030168/fresh-scrutiny-for-foxs-tucker-carlson-as-top-writer-quits-over-bigoted-posts
I guess nobody cares that the scripts for his show were written for years by a "redpilled" white supremacist.

Refusing to see racist framing all around you by bigoted rightwing bastards is very widespread. It is also one of the primary reasons I said anyone hoping for a quick healing is in for a nasty surprise.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6716 on: January 08, 2021, 01:00:47 PM »
Tucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721Ja6aOYSo
Sounds really nice till about the 3 minute mark, and then he let's slip his casual racism when he goes on about how that Babbit girl "did not look particularly radical" like the other protesters who were "annihilistic.... wrecking our cities". He can't let go of his racism even in a "we need to fix it" video when the democracy is under attack.

I don't have cable news and never normally hear anything from Tucker, but I did out of curiosity after you linked to it.  He takes just a few seconds over the full video to compare her to people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing.  He seemed to be referring more to their "actions".  Yes, he said "dressed" in black, and was not referring to race.  He made no reference to race issues.  It's quite a charge to call someone racist when there's no evidence of it.  The term loses its meaning when thrown around where it doesn't apply, even for those few seconds.  Since I don't know him, I can't say whether he is racist or not, but I didn't see that in the video.

I want to point out here that many of these "people dressed in black setting fires in the cities and vandalizing" were later identified to be white supremacists trying to discredit BLM.  There's been a lot of both-side-ism going on from the likes of Tucker Carlson and his followers, but they never mention the fact that white supremacists were responsible for burning police stations, vandalizing/looting businesses, and murdering police last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/mitchell-carlson-umbrella-man/

Tucker is busy lamenting that those who supported BLM protests are currently against these rioters in the capital. Ironically, if Tucker followed his own advice for a proper response to protesters not following the instructions of law enforcement, scores more should have been shot.

But of course that’s lost on his followers and conveniently left out of his monologues

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6717 on: January 08, 2021, 01:17:14 PM »
She could only enter the room by breaking down a barricade and breaking a window. She was obviously trying to get in to murder the Vice President for having the nerve to do his Constitutional duties. It's sad that people died, but she deserved what she got.

Even if she wasn't personally trying to lynch the VP, the mob definitely was (or at least the police had good reason to think so, see the "Hang Mike Pence" video), and once someone breaks down the barriers and people start streaming through it's too late. She was the point person on a lynch mob specifically coming after the Vice President of all people, the shooting was definitely justified.

Absolutely. That wasn't just a room, they were smashing their way into the Speaker's Lobby, immediately behind the House Chamber. That was where the police were securing and moving Representatives and staff out of the building. Those barricaded doors were the fallback security perimeter once the decision was made to not defend the whole building. There were principals in that room, anyone crossing that final line was completely fair game to be shot without waiting for specific individual hostile intent to be shown. She may well have just been intending to "express her opinion" through trespassing and vandalism but she was the first (and it turns out only) of the mob to find the line that shall not be crossed.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6718 on: January 08, 2021, 01:20:17 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

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« Reply #6719 on: January 08, 2021, 01:23:29 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6720 on: January 08, 2021, 01:24:39 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

Italygate!

I just want to know if it was Italy that bought the fraudulent ballots from North Korea that were delivered by boat. Pakistani intelligence is also somehow involved, too.

It's almost like a Dan Brown novel.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6721 on: January 08, 2021, 01:28:37 PM »
the mafia are italian. trump probably owes money to the mafia. the pieces are falling into place.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6722 on: January 08, 2021, 01:29:10 PM »
I'm unsure if that's more or less plausible than the one I read about Trump being a democrat plant the whole time.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6723 on: January 08, 2021, 01:29:18 PM »
They think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

I haven't heard all the details, but this is just part of the larger bone I have with them about the Dominion stuff. So they claim that the tabulators are untrustworthy and that people used the adjudication process to flip votes, or the Dominon software was flipping a certain percentage of votes, or now Itally somehow. Okay... THEY'VE DONE HAND RECOUNTS AND AUDITS!!! Georgia has hand-recounted every single ballot in the state. Antrim County which is where that "report" on the Dominion machines came from did a hand-recount. I believe every state in question had done hand audits of some form.

If the tabulators were flipping votes, one way or another, or people were feeding stacks of ballots through machines multiple times or whatever, wouldn't the HAND RECOUNT find these problems? Of course they would, and of course the Trumpers still believe it anyway. You really cannot underestimate how stupid these people are.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6724 on: January 08, 2021, 01:33:41 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6725 on: January 08, 2021, 01:34:47 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6726 on: January 08, 2021, 02:47:30 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

Pizzagate should have tipped us off.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6727 on: January 08, 2021, 02:48:34 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

Pizzagate should have tipped us off.

I bet it was all in those missing emails.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6728 on: January 08, 2021, 02:53:40 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6729 on: January 08, 2021, 03:01:36 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6730 on: January 08, 2021, 03:04:17 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6731 on: January 08, 2021, 03:06:30 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

Source, please?

Last I heard was Monday.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6732 on: January 08, 2021, 03:07:35 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.
and if impeached in the Senate will actually be prohibited from holding any other public office. He would not be able to be voted in as a dog catcher. It is a powerful antidote to 2024. It is also the right thing to do in the face of a president actually participating in sedition.

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« Reply #6733 on: January 08, 2021, 03:13:06 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

Source, please?

Last I heard was Monday.

Yes, you’re right.  I got that info from CBC, which did not mention that it would not occur until Monday.  Apologies.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6734 on: January 08, 2021, 03:29:47 PM »
Maybe I'm a bit fired up.  I'm so sick of the bullshit and what they are allowed to get away with.  The law should have been enforced years ago to peacefully remove that monster before it escalated to this.  Consequences should be severe.


After a mild slap on the wrist he has his twitter back.

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The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!

Sounds like he totally learned his lesson and is trying to heal the nation.

I get the frustration. I wish there was a logical way of dealing with it. I see it as more frustrating because I don't think there's an easy answer to fixing it - even jailing him. At this point, there are so many people who have bought the narrative hard core to the point violence must be the answer that I don't see a way for this to improve.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6735 on: January 08, 2021, 03:30:00 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

It sets a precedent.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6736 on: January 08, 2021, 03:31:19 PM »
What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.

It also prevents him from being pardoned for anything related to the impeachment while the impeachment proceedings are underway. It also forces the Republicans to go on record for how they really feel about this whole thing, which I'd say their constituents have a right to know one way or another. It's also, you know, the right thing to do.

Edit: I might have been wrong about the 48 hours to start the Senate trial? I removed that bit.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6737 on: January 08, 2021, 03:36:18 PM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I mean, to me, her radicalization is not even worth a mention. She tried to break into the capital. You do that on the best of days much less as a part of a mob of people with weapons, you take your life into your own hands. I mean, where are the "if she just followed the police officer's instructions" people on this one...

That is what I meant by the first part of my statement. I probably should have left the second half out as irrelevant to the officer that shot her.

Most of her family is like "Tragedy...she was a bit obsessed" so far, only her husband has said "She was just trying to express her opinion." Wonder what he would do if someone broke into his house to express their opinion.

I AM NOT ACTUALLY ADVOCATING THAT WE BARRICADE TUCKER OR THAT SOMEONE ATTACK THE GRIEVING WIDOWER. Just in case that needs to be said.

I gotcha. I mean, I can't say what I would say if it was my family member -personal bias plays into us all. I don't see how anyone who is remotely impartial could call what happened unjust. I just can't fathom how you could expect any other result.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6738 on: January 08, 2021, 03:39:05 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.
and if impeached in the Senate will actually be prohibited from holding any other public office. He would not be able to be voted in as a dog catcher. It is a powerful antidote to 2024. It is also the right thing to do in the face of a president actually participating in sedition.

That would be the appeal for Republicans. If he can't run again, then they don't need to worry about him for a potential Republican or third-party run.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6739 on: January 08, 2021, 03:39:34 PM »
Why did the Arizonan riot leader wearing horns and fur have a big black dick tattooed on the side of his stomach?

I think it is supposed to be Mjřlnir. And it kind of bothers me that the media talk about him as a "viking". Vikings didn't use horned helmets. They believed strongly in democracy and rule of law, (generally) were not racist or misogynistic, and Thor was the comic side kick, not the hero. Sure, they might have been... bothersome... for the rest of Europe, and there were the murders and wars, but they were generally more adept at those things too than this weird half naked man.

The Mjřlnir tattoo might mean he likes to believe he is a strong viking, but I doubt he has reflected on the words of the one eyed one (Hávamál, ca 1000 years ago):
6.
Let no man glory in the greatness of his mind,
but rather keep watch o'er his wits.
Cautious and silent let him enter a dwelling;
to the heedful comes seldom harm,
for none can find a more faithful friend
than the wealth of mother wit.

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Let the wary stranger who seeks refreshment
keep silent with sharpened hearing;
with his ears let him listen, and look with his eyes;
thus each wise man spies out the way.

8.
Happy is he who wins for himself
fair fame and kindly words;
but uneasy is that which a man doth own
while it lies in another's breast.

9.
Happy is he who hath in himself
praise and wisdom in life;
for oft doth a man ill counsel get
when 'tis born in another's breast.

10.
A better burden can no man bear
on the way than his mother wit;
'tis the refuge of the poor, and richer it seems
than wealth in a world untried.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6740 on: January 08, 2021, 03:41:07 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6741 on: January 08, 2021, 03:45:54 PM »
Dominion is suing for $1.3 billion.  They have been slandered/libeled so much, good for them.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6742 on: January 08, 2021, 03:47:15 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

It sets a precedent.
Yep. Bernie Sanders said this today on Twitter:

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6743 on: January 08, 2021, 03:47:26 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

I think you should ban pizza, spagetti and cannelloni in the name of national security! After all it is totally unamerican so it would not be patriotic to eat it. :-)
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6744 on: January 08, 2021, 03:52:25 PM »
I feel like I'm derailing the discussion, though at this point it's not really moving in a straight line, but have any of you heard the newest nutcase conspiracy theory that they are hashtagging "Italy did it"? Apparently, the Trump cult has convinced itself that Obama colluded with the PM of Italy to interfere with the 2020 US elections. They  think the CIA, MI6, and Italian intelligence used an algorithm to switch votes from Trump to Biden. Oh, brother... 🤣

WTF did Italy do to us since Mussolini?? I mean, sure, a lot of our original COVID cases came from there, but it was mostly returning American tourists and students... Wait, are they blaming Italy because I once sarcastically thanked Italy for sacrificing so many of its citizens to this anti Trump hoax we call COVID????

C'mon sheeple.

Italy has been playing the long game.  First they introduced pizza, spaghetti, cannelloni  . . . then they waited for Americans to overeat carbs.  Then they infected themselves with the covid virus - knowing that it would spread to unfit Americans and do more damage.  Something something 5 G something satan worshipping pedophiles something BENGHAZI!

It's all right there for anyone to see.  Wake up!

I think you should bann pizza, spagetti and cannelloni in the name of national security! After all it is totally unamerican so it would not be patriotic to eat it. :-)

Silly. You don't need to ban them. You just rename them: Freedom Pie, Freedom Noodles in American Sauce, Freedom sugar tubes...

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« Reply #6745 on: January 08, 2021, 03:53:22 PM »
Question...if they do manage to impeach, does he lose his for-life, publicly-funded secret service protection, pension, and medical insurance? I just think if you incite violence to that degree, we shouldn't have to pay for that.

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« Reply #6746 on: January 08, 2021, 03:55:12 PM »
Question...if they do manage to impeach, does he lose his for-life, publicly-funded secret service protection, pension, and medical insurance? I just think if you incite violence to that degree, we shouldn't have to pay for that.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/if-trump-is-impeached-and-convicted-hell-lose-his-post-presidency-perks/

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6747 on: January 08, 2021, 03:55:37 PM »
Question...if they do manage to impeach, does he lose his for-life, publicly-funded secret service protection, pension, and medical insurance? I just think if you incite violence to that degree, we shouldn't have to pay for that.

I am actually willing to pay for that because I don't want the consequences if he isn't properly protected.

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« Reply #6748 on: January 08, 2021, 03:56:04 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

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« Reply #6749 on: January 08, 2021, 03:58:13 PM »
I am actually willing to pay for that because I don't want the consequences if he isn't properly protected.

Fair, but also Trump's a billionaire (theoretically). He's the richest man to ever be president. This ain't Jimmy Carter that we're talking about here.