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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6000 on: December 09, 2020, 03:26:23 PM »
Maybe Twitter will cut him off once he leaves office...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6001 on: December 09, 2020, 04:05:04 PM »
Will they give Rudy the monoclonal therapy (like they did for the President)?

Or will they withhold it from him (like they did for Herman Caine)?
News outlets and Rudy are reporting that he was given the monoclonal therapy as well as other treatments.

According to Rudy being a celebrity has it’s benefits.


—Giuliani added that he wasn't aware of the lack of broad availability of his treatment regimen to the public.

"Sometimes, when you're a celebrity, they're worried if something happens to you," Giuliani added. "They're going to examine it more carefully and do everything right."


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6002 on: December 09, 2020, 05:47:09 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

Biden has been in government for so long that absolutely everybody knows who he is, so the typical “socialist” and “liberal” labels didn’t work on him. He’s also male, so he doesn’t provoke the kinds of misogynistic attacks that were used against HRC. Biden was the perfect Democratic candidate for this election and he won fairly easily.

It was noticeable how many of the usual scare tactics just didn't apply to Biden this year. Some analysts remarked that Trump's team had prepared for a fight against Sanders, but when that didn't happen they didn't have a strategy tailored for Biden and just used what they had.

A couple weeks ago after it became clear the lawsuits weren't going anywhere and Biden would be it, the coup plotters in Congress started bringing out the usual Democrat tropes saying we're heading to Socialism/Communism/Marxism/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. After 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama we're not those things and you'd think the threats that the next Democrat will get us there would just ring hollow.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6003 on: December 09, 2020, 06:16:12 PM »
A good thing to remind conservative friends and family when they start to ramble/parrot what they heard from the rumor mill recently.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6004 on: December 09, 2020, 06:37:26 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

Biden has been in government for so long that absolutely everybody knows who he is, so the typical “socialist” and “liberal” labels didn’t work on him. He’s also male, so he doesn’t provoke the kinds of misogynistic attacks that were used against HRC. Biden was the perfect Democratic candidate for this election and he won fairly easily.

It was noticeable how many of the usual scare tactics just didn't apply to Biden this year. Some analysts remarked that Trump's team had prepared for a fight against Sanders, but when that didn't happen they didn't have a strategy tailored for Biden and just used what they had.

A couple weeks ago after it became clear the lawsuits weren't going anywhere and Biden would be it, the coup plotters in Congress started bringing out the usual Democrat tropes saying we're heading to Socialism/Communism/Marxism/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. After 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama we're not those things and you'd think the threats that the next Democrat will get us there would just ring hollow.

It didn't work, but it is interesting how they tend to pick traits that Trump embodies: Clinton was dishonest and supported sexual predators...Biden blithers...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6005 on: December 10, 2020, 03:50:43 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.
I can actually see that happen for a few month.

Like the pope/anti-pope thing that happened a few times in history.

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« Reply #6006 on: December 10, 2020, 06:48:01 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

The people participating in such a shadow government would be the equivalent of either fund-raisers or lobbyists, and there's certainly plenty of that going on already.

John Adams skipped Thomas Jefferson's inauguration, and it didn't prevent Jefferson's political movement from holding power for the next quarter-century.

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« Reply #6007 on: December 10, 2020, 06:57:54 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

The people participating in such a shadow government would be the equivalent of either fund-raisers or lobbyists, and there's certainly plenty of that going on already.

John Adams skipped Thomas Jefferson's inauguration, and it didn't prevent Jefferson's political movement from holding power for the next quarter-century.

"Shadow Government" sounds scary but is largely meaningless.  For the first year of Trump's presidency conservative media were accusing Obama of leading a 'shadow government' since he had the audacity to remain in Washington DC.

I expect Trump will want to play "kingmaker" regardless of where he lives, and he certainly (IMO) won't stop calling into Fox and others to opine and whine about things he might not not much about.   Nothing illegal about that.  Being in constant conversations with GOP legislators won't make Biden not president, nor will it change SCOTUS or the Dem-led House.  Heck, given Trump's inability to play the long game while in office I'm betting his efforts post-election will confuse and muddle the 'minority government response' to Biden's agenda:  McConnell would probably be more effective if Trump just left the picture all together.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6008 on: December 10, 2020, 07:34:10 AM »
As long as it's not about judges, Trump doesn't give a damn about what makes McConnell's life easier.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6009 on: December 10, 2020, 03:36:04 PM »
McConnell would probably be more effective if Trump just left the picture all together.

McConnell had the same opinion four years ago.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6010 on: December 11, 2020, 09:42:31 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6011 on: December 11, 2020, 09:50:48 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6012 on: December 11, 2020, 10:00:07 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,

Our AG similarly argued that Texas has not suffered harm from Michigan's election laws.

I assumed the pay-for-pardon scheme explained Giuliani. It also seems to explain the Texas AG's behavior.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6013 on: December 11, 2020, 10:07:56 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,
The question is not if Texas has standing, or if their case has merit. It seems pretty clear that neither is the case. The question is about these cases being frivolous and malicious and who has standing or a case to made against the plaintiffs in that context. In other words, is there any legal recourse against the GOP for this blatant attempt to overthrow an election, or at a minimum attempt to delegitimize the Biden administration and US government, with frivolous/malicious lawsuits?
Edited to fix quotes....
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6014 on: December 11, 2020, 10:29:50 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,
The question is not if Texas has standing, or if their case has merit. It seems pretty clear that neither is the case. The question is about these cases being frivolous and malicious and who has standing or a case to made against the plaintiffs in that context. In other words, is there any legal recourse against the GOP for this blatant attempt to overthrow an election, or at a minimum attempt to delegitimize the Biden administration and US government, with frivolous/malicious lawsuits?

Ah, sorry - I understand your question now. 
It will be interesting to see if there's any legal fallout from these spurious legal actions.
Also, fixed your quotes :-P

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6015 on: December 11, 2020, 04:51:32 PM »
OMG! This is beautiful!

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general— supported by President Trump — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-11-20/h_0f5210649341a9c63a3fac9a6f1abdae

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6016 on: December 11, 2020, 05:25:44 PM »
OMG! This is beautiful!

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general— supported by President Trump — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-11-20/h_0f5210649341a9c63a3fac9a6f1abdae

Can you imagine the temper tantrum he’s throwing right now?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6017 on: December 11, 2020, 05:30:40 PM »
Hah-hah, you just made my day.   Thank you for that.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6018 on: December 11, 2020, 05:31:14 PM »
OMG! This is beautiful!

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general— supported by President Trump — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-11-20/h_0f5210649341a9c63a3fac9a6f1abdae

I am almost as happy as when it became clear that Biden won!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6019 on: December 11, 2020, 05:38:01 PM »
So all three of Trump's SC appointees are Deep State operatives, LOL.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6020 on: December 11, 2020, 05:46:56 PM »
Wow, this tweet from four hours ago didn’t age well:

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If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337494507756072961

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« Reply #6021 on: December 11, 2020, 06:08:48 PM »
Wow, this tweet from four hours ago didn’t age well:

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If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337494507756072961
NO kidding.  BYE FELICIA.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6022 on: December 11, 2020, 06:29:22 PM »
Wow, this tweet from four hours ago didn’t age well:

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If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337494507756072961

Again with the projecting.

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« Reply #6023 on: December 11, 2020, 07:05:43 PM »
Wow, this tweet from four hours ago didn’t age well:

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If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337494507756072961

I’d say it aged well - just not the way Trump hoped. 
SCOTUS showed wisdom and courage to deny the case with no dissenting opinions; the American people win, and the electoral process continues (perhaps not respected, but going forward as intended).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6024 on: December 12, 2020, 06:45:16 AM »
It’s not enough to throw an epic nationwide temper tantrum because someone else got the toy you wanted. Apparently you also need to set fire to the whole damned toy store.

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« Reply #6025 on: December 12, 2020, 03:00:09 PM »
Wow, this tweet from four hours ago didn’t age well:

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If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337494507756072961

I’d say it aged well - just not the way Trump hoped. 
SCOTUS showed wisdom and courage to deny the case with no dissenting opinions; the American people win, and the electoral process continues (perhaps not respected, but going forward as intended).


My strong preference was that   the Court did decide  to review Texas' claim.


Given the Trump Administration's historic aberrance the Court's review of Texas' claim would have resulted in a  more muscular,  judicial denouement of Trump's presidency.

Alas, a  hearing wasn't in the cards; traditionally, the Court's exercise of its original jurisdiction is indeed sparing.

Having said this, the Court's decision not to review Texas' claim is not devoid of a sting; we need not strain to infer that it lacked "seriousness and dignity."


The Court's exercise of its original jurisdiction   “is limited and manifestly to be sparingly exercised, and should not be expanded by construction.”


It should be reserved for "appropriate cases. And the question of what is appropriate concerns of course the seriousness and dignity of the claim; yet beyond that it necessarily involves the availability of another forum where there is jurisdiction over the named parties, where the issues tendered may be litigated, and where appropriate relief may be had. We incline to a sparing use of our original jurisdiction so that our increasing duties with the appellate docket will not suffer."

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« Reply #6026 on: December 12, 2020, 03:21:52 PM »
So all three of Trump's SC appointees are Deep State operatives, LOL.

Trump's constitutional illiteracy is so ingrained that he still  misapprehends that the justices he nominated have a first loyalty to him and that their judicial independence is secondary.

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« Reply #6027 on: December 12, 2020, 07:22:26 PM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

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« Reply #6028 on: December 12, 2020, 09:49:32 PM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden.  Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.

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« Reply #6029 on: December 13, 2020, 03:04:47 AM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden.  Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.
If Biden had that much support, why! He could have just declared himself president without all that election trouble - and earlier too!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6030 on: December 13, 2020, 05:46:23 AM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

If the mid-Atlantic, New England, and West Coast seceded, the US would once again become the best country in the world. You could donate the remaining states to Mexico. Allow free movement for 30 days before the secession so that people can cross to their preferred areas first.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6031 on: December 13, 2020, 06:59:18 AM »
If the Democrats control the Deep State that really rules the nation, then why don’t we have universal healthcare yet? Worst Deep State ever.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6032 on: December 13, 2020, 07:43:47 AM »
Which branch of the military is supposed to remove Trump if he refuses to vacate the White House?  Will they just toss his shit out onto the sidewalk, or will he be jailed?  Will the public be allowed to throw rotten tomatoes and spit on him as they drag him away?  (I don't want to miss out on the fun.) 




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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6033 on: December 13, 2020, 07:49:27 AM »
The secret service

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6034 on: December 13, 2020, 08:46:42 AM »
Which branch of the military is supposed to remove Trump if he refuses to vacate the White House?


Please let it be SEAL team 6, please let it be SEAL team 6, please let it be SEAL team 6.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6035 on: December 13, 2020, 08:55:32 AM »
Which branch of the military is supposed to remove Trump if he refuses to vacate the White House?  Will they just toss his shit out onto the sidewalk, or will he be jailed?  Will the public be allowed to throw rotten tomatoes and spit on him as they drag him away?  (I don't want to miss out on the fun.)

I don't want to miss out on that either! Hahahaha!

He and the Republicans seem to have forgotten they work for the American People. We pay their paycheck.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6036 on: December 13, 2020, 09:28:07 AM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden. Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.

The narrative - pushed by Trump - is that the election was rigged to be a blowout by Biden (see "rigged" polling tghe week before) but SO MANY people came out for Trump to show their AMAZING SUPPORT that it "broke" the rigged election.  In a panic the Biden campaign turned to more drastic measures, which (shockingly) somehow left no trace other than a bunch of dodgy affidavits from random people.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6037 on: December 13, 2020, 09:51:33 AM »
If the Democrats control the Deep State that really rules the nation, then why don’t we have universal healthcare yet? Worst Deep State ever.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6038 on: December 13, 2020, 09:57:29 AM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden.  Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.

RedState.com comments have been absolutely FASCINATING this past two weeks.  The insanity is just off the charts over there.  It is absolutely accepted by all (including the site contributors and mods) that the election was stolen.  They just simply do not accept that Dems could have been motivated to get out to vote (b/c Biden is so awful), nor that anyone who voted for Trump the first time could have changed their mind, nor that people could hate Trump and what he represents enough to motivate them to turn out to vote against him (b/c in their mind, he's obviously the greatest president since Reagan).  Yet SIMULTANEOUSLY they believe in a multi state conspiracy run by Dems who are all incredibly motivated to actively destroy American just for sake of doing so?, and that this party, despite having totally unmotivated voters, is still far smarter and more organized at EVERY LEVEL OF GOV'T than the GOP is, and that therefore they cheat and win 'every single time' by using a huge array of deep state infiltrators at every possible level of government.  This despite the fact that the GOP typically controls the Senate and the majority of state governments, and picked up seats in the House in this election.

There's also a strong sub-strain that ascribes the root of this entire conspiracy to public teachers and their unions (yes, they are THAT powerful and they are ALL committed communists whose only goal is to indoctrinate your kids), or to federal employees and their union (despite the fact that many federal employees aren't even members of the union and the number of federal employees per capita has been falling over the decades and thus losing influence), or to China, etc.

There is a small subset that are convinced that The Left is literally coming to their houses and places of business to take their guns and put them or at least their kids in re-education camps and will arrest all the people who run sites like RedState.com.  As soon as Biden is inaugurated...any moment now!  (My husband just tried to get rifle ammo last week to do a deer hunt, and it was sold out all over town b/c a shooting war is going to start any minute, apparently).

I think there is a strong desire for drama running through the group...I suspect many of them wish their lives were 'bigger' and more important or lived in service to a bigger cause (which I understand, that's not an unusual feeling), and the idea of being constantly persecuted as the noble fringe underdogs is weirdly sexy to them. 

Now the conversation is trending toward secession, which I personally am not convinced wouldn't be the best endgame for the U.S., given the wild regional disparities in fundamental values that our citizens have.  As long as it could be done without violence, it would be a super interesting as a social experiment. COME ON, TEXAS, I DARE YOU! 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6039 on: December 13, 2020, 11:00:55 AM »
Quebec has been blathering about secession forever and even when it came down to a referendum, a slim majority didn't want it, so I wouldn't hold my breath about Texas.  I agree it would be interesting though.

I love your theory about wanting to have bigger lives.  That could certainly be an explanation.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6040 on: December 13, 2020, 11:13:28 AM »
Which branch of the military is supposed to remove Trump if he refuses to vacate the White House?  Will they just toss his shit out onto the sidewalk, or will he be jailed?  Will the public be allowed to throw rotten tomatoes and spit on him as they drag him away?  (I don't want to miss out on the fun.)
Most likely he will claim presdiency in exile at the "Winter White House", also known as the closest golf course.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6041 on: December 13, 2020, 11:17:15 AM »
I am mostly curious what will happen to his Twitter account on January 21. Honestly, the bigger concern is the combination of secret information he knows coupled with massive debt and legal liabilities inside of a decidedly self-interested person.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6042 on: December 13, 2020, 11:23:23 AM »
It’s strange to me that the reddest states are the ones that have biggest imbalance in their federal payments/receipts... in their favor. In other words, there is more federal spending in those states than they pay in taxes.  But this talk of secession is dangerous. Thinking that this would happen on a state by state basis is wildly optimistic. States like New York or Oregon or Maine could be torn apart by schisms between urban “blue” areas and “red” rural counties. Both sides would claim allegiance to the Constitution - you see that out of Texas already.

The path forward is to focus on our common values and what brings us together. Trump can’t do this, he only knows how to divide. I can’t wait for the outrages to stop. Or at least lose the limelight of the presidency.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6043 on: December 13, 2020, 11:26:33 AM »
I am mostly curious what will happen to his Twitter account on January 21. Honestly, the bigger concern is the combination of secret information he knows coupled with massive debt and legal liabilities inside of a decidedly self-interested person.

That's where all those donations to his leadership PAC are going. The PAC can legally pay massive salaries to himself, his kids, and rent out rooms and conference space at his hotels (to discuss PAC business, natch). It's $200M of slush money.


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Another alt-right crazy (<-- redundant, I know) theory is that the Democrats didn't want the election to be a Biden landslide because it would've been too obvious. Patriots found out, though, which sounds like an epic fail by the Demoncrats but the Supreme Court is controlled by commies and bailed them out.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6044 on: December 13, 2020, 02:43:27 PM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden.  Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.

I just keep saying, if we had really cheated, McConnell would have lost his election, too. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6045 on: December 13, 2020, 05:04:48 PM »
It’s strange to me that the reddest states are the ones that have biggest imbalance in their federal payments/receipts... in their favor. In other words, there is more federal spending in those states than they pay in taxes.  But this talk of secession is dangerous. Thinking that this would happen on a state by state basis is wildly optimistic. States like New York or Oregon or Maine could be torn apart by schisms between urban “blue” areas and “red” rural counties. Both sides would claim allegiance to the Constitution - you see that out of Texas already.

The path forward is to focus on our common values and what brings us together. Trump can’t do this, he only knows how to divide. I can’t wait for the outrages to stop. Or at least lose the limelight of the presidency.

Talk of secession is dangerous and foolish as well.

The Constitution is devoid of any provision that allows for a process whereby a State may secede from the United States of America.

And though federalism treats  each State  as a sovereign entity that has broad latitude to manage its affairs  it does not not include any power to secede for the reason that  "the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government."

Thus, secession is unconstitutional:  "The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States."



Texas v. White Et Al. (1869)


The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations.


It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.'


And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.'


 It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union, by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States.

 Under the Articles of Confederation each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right not expressly delegated to the United States.

Under the Constitution, though the powers of the States were much restricted, still, all powers not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

And we have already had occasion to remark at this term, that the people of each State compose a State, having its own government, and endowed with all the functions essential to separate and independent existence, and that 'without the States in union, there could be no such political body as the United States.'

Not only, therefore, can there be no loss of separate and independent autonomy to the States, through their union under the Constitution, but it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government.

 The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6046 on: December 13, 2020, 06:56:02 PM »

There is a small subset that are convinced that The Left is literally coming to their houses and places of business to take their guns and put them or at least their kids in re-education camps and will arrest all the people who run sites like RedState.com.  As soon as Biden is inaugurated...any moment now!  (My husband just tried to get rifle ammo last week to do a deer hunt, and it was sold out all over town b/c a shooting war is going to start any minute, apparently).



There was the same run on guns and ammo when Obama was elected. Eight years of Clinton, and eight years of Obama, and gun rights have barely moved. And after 30 years of the War on Christmas and liberal educational indoctrination, Republicans still exist and are a potent political force.  It's as if, just hear me out, it's all a fear-mongering scam.

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« Reply #6047 on: December 14, 2020, 04:08:14 AM »
curiously, lots of Trump supporters believe that the SCOTUS is in on the steal as well.

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“It’s clear the election has been stolen,” said Mark Paul Jones of Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania, who sported a tricorner Revolutionary War hat as he walked toward the Supreme Court with his wife.

Trump “is being railroaded out of office,” he said, adding that Biden won with the complicity of the Supreme Court, FBI, Department of Justice and CIA. The Supreme Court “didn’t even take the time to hear the case,” Jones said.

I've have to wonder if the US will split in half somehow.    As long as the smaller population in rural states can enable control of the senate for the Republicans the US seems to be stuck in this gridlock.

Moments like this make absolutely love conspiracy theories. Somehow the Biden campaign got Democrat and Republican governors, legislatures, supreme courts, federal courts full of Trump appointees, postal workers, poll workers, and the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court to all work together to get the win for Biden.  Of course if the DNC had so much control over the election, why would they rig up a win by a margin of just a few thousand votes in strategic states?

These ignorant folks are alleging the most complex and diabolical election fraud in a century, but next week they'll harp on how the Democrats are too incompetent to run the country.

I just keep saying, if we had really cheated, McConnell would have lost his election, too.
You just don't get it, right?

That is a trick! A HUGE trick! That was intentional, so that the cheating Dems could say: "See McConnel? We don't cheat!" It's devilish!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6048 on: December 14, 2020, 05:10:22 AM »
If Biden was smart enough to do all this and not leave any clues, he’s my guy.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6049 on: December 14, 2020, 08:11:09 AM »
If Biden was smart enough to do all this and not leave any clues, he’s my guy.

And he did it while suffering from dementia!