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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5600 on: November 16, 2020, 07:24:56 AM »
One of my best friends is bi.  He prefers sex with women, but he married a man because he has better romantic relationships with me (less fighting, etc).

Is that choosing to be gay?  I don’t know.  What would the problem if someone chose being gay?  I know you didn’t mean it this way, but your comment sounds condescending and homophobic to me.

Hmm... Totally did not intend for you to take it that way.

My point being, it's not a choice, at all.  If someone is bi, then they are bi. It wasn't a choice.  If someone is gay, then they are gay.  They didn't choose to be gay.  If someone is hetero, then they are hetero.  It's just who someone is -- born that way. 

On the contrary, a person isn't born to be a Trump supporter (nor born to be homophobic, nor born to be a racist, etc.)  For those things, one chooses to be that way.

There’s a lot of issues here, and I won’t even touch the implication that Trump supporters are bigots.  I’ll let you have that.

1 - is it a moral failing, if someone is straight and chooses to have sex with someone of the same gender?  Say a prostitute?  If not, then why does ‘choice’ factor at all?

2 - is it excusable to vote for a serial sexual assaulted, as long as you were born with a figurative MAGA hat on your head?

3 - I’m going to assume that you feel, like I do, sexual preference is morally neutral, but racism and bigotry is morally bad.  It is odd when comparing something innate and neutral (homosexuality) to something chosen and immoral (bigotry) you point out the difference is the choice, not the inherent moral difference?

I really don't understand what you're getting at, so this'll probably be my last response... I didn't mention anything about morals... and for what it's worth, I'm a man who has been happily married to a man for several years.  :shrug:

You're not alone. It seems their primary goal is to argue about anything and everything. Beyond that, there's not much logic to it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5601 on: November 16, 2020, 07:34:05 AM »
Lol @Davnasty he’s the one who started that sidebar debate with me, not the other way around.  Check your facts next time tia.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5602 on: November 16, 2020, 08:00:00 AM »
Lol @Davnasty he’s the one who started that sidebar debate with me, not the other way around.  Check your facts next time tia.

Ya, but you say silly things and refuse to back down when people, rightly, call you out on it.

Comparing trump supporters not wanting to speak up here to homosexuals not wanting to speak up in the 1950's (or now for that matter) is offensive and deserved to be called out. They weren't just "keeping their mouth shut" they were completely hiding their identity from their community, family, and friends for fear of losing them or worse.

And of course there is the glaring difference that one is a political choice and the other is part of who a person is. How you turned that into "condescending and homophobic" is beyond me. Which is why it looks like you're just counterattacking the person who called you out, they said nothing of the sort.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5603 on: November 16, 2020, 08:26:06 AM »
Did the governor of NY actually refuse it or is this just Trump playing politics and withholding it because he did not kiss trumps ring?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnIlpCpoqjs

"Gov. Andrew Cuomo, D-NY, pushes back on Trump's comments on withholding a coronavirus vaccine from New York after Gov. Cuomo said he would have experts review a vaccine rather than simply take the word of the Trump WH. Aired on 11/16/2020."

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5604 on: November 16, 2020, 08:38:47 AM »
@Davnasty

Dave Ruben wrote a comparison between being politically closeted and sexually closeted in his (imo, very good) book Don't Burn this Book.  It is much better than my ham-handed rhetoric.  There is an excerpt in the link, but I recommend picking up a copy.

As someone who has never felt particularly closeted on anything, I found the first chapter immensely moving and revealing, especially this part:

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I was so twisted by the closet's solitary existence that I genuinely believed 9/11 was a consequence of my coming out just a few hours earlier.  That's how fucking insane the closet makes you.  It's a depressing, solitary place where there's only room for one.  There's no light, no air, and no comfort.  Just you and your private, dysfunctional thoughts stuck in a constant feedback loop from hell.  It's a danger zone for your happiness, your relationships, and ultimately, your identity, which is why it must be vacated early on.

I doubt Ruben means to precisely equate homosexual closets with political ostracism, and I certainly don't, but my central point still stands: why would a Trump supporter want to come on here and subject themselves to the abuse?

Also, how can someone use a metaphor without being accused of equating two things precisely?  I think I will try to stay away from metaphors from now on.  They seem to be the target instead of, you know, the actual point.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5605 on: November 16, 2020, 08:41:03 AM »

Comparing trump supporters not wanting to speak up here to homosexuals not wanting to speak up in the 1950's (or now for that matter) is offensive and deserved to be called out. They weren't just "keeping their mouth shut" they were completely hiding their identity from their community, family, and friends for fear of losing them or worse.

And of course there is the glaring difference that one is a political choice and the other is part of who a person is. How you turned that into "condescending and homophobic" is beyond me. Which is why it looks like you're just counterattacking the person who called you out, they said nothing of the sort.

Agreed.  At best this is a severely strained and flawed analogy, and walks the line of being against the forum rules (i.e. see use of rape as hyperbole).  Homosexuals were Legally persecuted and excluded, frequently assaulted and occasionally killed. Being a homosexual was quite literally against the law.  There is no fair comparison here.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5606 on: November 16, 2020, 09:00:18 AM »
So this may qualify as the Trump outrage of the last four years.  How many families are similar.  I know ours has been impacted as I argue with my brother and my parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/opinions/trump-tore-my-family-apart-eldredge/index.html
OMG, this is amazing! I'm feeling the same way with my family, but never could have articulated it this well.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5607 on: November 16, 2020, 09:02:37 AM »
So this may qualify as the Trump outrage of the last four years.  How many families are similar.  I know ours has been impacted as I argue with my brother and my parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/opinions/trump-tore-my-family-apart-eldredge/index.html
OMG, this is amazing! I'm feeling the same way with my family, but never could have articulated it this well.

I am very jealous of such families. It was the blatantly racist Obama bashing that tore our family apart.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5608 on: November 16, 2020, 09:12:57 AM »
@Davnasty

Dave Ruben wrote a comparison between being politically closeted and sexually closeted in his (imo, very good) book Don't Burn this Book.  It is much better than my ham-handed rhetoric.  There is an excerpt in the link, but I recommend picking up a copy.

As someone who has never felt particularly closeted on anything, I found the first chapter immensely moving and revealing, especially this part:

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I was so twisted by the closet's solitary existence that I genuinely believed 9/11 was a consequence of my coming out just a few hours earlier.  That's how fucking insane the closet makes you.  It's a depressing, solitary place where there's only room for one.  There's no light, no air, and no comfort.  Just you and your private, dysfunctional thoughts stuck in a constant feedback loop from hell.  It's a danger zone for your happiness, your relationships, and ultimately, your identity, which is why it must be vacated early on.

I doubt Ruben means to precisely equate homosexual closets with political ostracism, and I certainly don't, but my central point still stands: why would a Trump supporter want to come on here and subject themselves to the abuse?

Also, how can someone use a metaphor without being accused of equating two things precisely?  I think I will try to stay away from metaphors from now on.  They seem to be the target instead of, you know, the actual point.

The abuse? You mean having to defend how GOP policy decisions are bad for the economy and people at large? Or what are the ramifications of having an internationally hated person as president? Or how ineffectual he's been at handling the pandemic? Or how he dismantled all of the emergency workers and safety precautions that both Bush and Obama had set up for this exact scenario? Yet still want to give him a pass and re-elect him because they believe that even one of the most conservative right-leaning Democrats in the past 40 years is still a liberal socialist who will bring about the end of the nation by making it into a socialist nightmare.

Or are we talking about the Q-anon folk? Who believe in a giant Democrat Child Pedophile ring and Pizzagate? Or believe whatever bad thing they've heard about Biden and (especially) Kamala, and believe every good thing about Trump without any proof whatsoever and will actually deny proof to the contrary. Yeah, those folks are really looking for a long-form extended conversation like this forum.

Yeah, they don't come here because they know it's rotten. These people know that it's indefensible.

There are plenty of libertarian types on this forum and they contribute regularly and have civil political discourse. The difference is that they can actually cite evidence and make reasonable arguments for their claims. Trump supporters are a different sort.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5609 on: November 16, 2020, 09:25:46 AM »
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I was so twisted by the closet's solitary existence that I genuinely believed 9/11 was a consequence of my coming out just a few hours earlier.  That's how fucking insane the closet makes you.  It's a depressing, solitary place where there's only room for one.  There's no light, no air, and no comfort.  Just you and your private, dysfunctional thoughts stuck in a constant feedback loop from hell.  It's a danger zone for your happiness, your relationships, and ultimately, your identity, which is why it must be vacated early on.

I doubt Ruben means to precisely equate homosexual closets with political ostracism

He doesn't precisely equate the two, no.  But he very explicitly says that political ostracism for being conservative is substantially worse:

"When I came out of the closet as gay there was almost no backlash.  Y'know some people were kind of surprised, I got probably what you got which is a lot of people said well you don't seem gay because they want you to have taffeta and sparkles and something.  But I didn't get like a lot of anger.  But coming out politically, coming out politically, suddenly I had friends turning on me.  I didn't have any friends that turned on me for being gay.  If anything it strengthened my friendships right because we were being more honest or at least I was being more honest with them.  But when I came out politically, just saying I was frustrated with the left - it wasn't that I had said I'm a conservative or whatever you want to call it.  Uh, but suddenly I was getting a ton of hate." - Dave Rubin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLdCUzQvpc

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5610 on: November 16, 2020, 09:30:27 AM »
@Davnasty

Dave Ruben wrote a comparison between being politically closeted and sexually closeted in his (imo, very good) book Don't Burn this Book.  It is much better than my ham-handed rhetoric.  There is an excerpt in the link, but I recommend picking up a copy.

As someone who has never felt particularly closeted on anything, I found the first chapter immensely moving and revealing, especially this part:

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I was so twisted by the closet's solitary existence that I genuinely believed 9/11 was a consequence of my coming out just a few hours earlier.  That's how fucking insane the closet makes you.  It's a depressing, solitary place where there's only room for one.  There's no light, no air, and no comfort.  Just you and your private, dysfunctional thoughts stuck in a constant feedback loop from hell.  It's a danger zone for your happiness, your relationships, and ultimately, your identity, which is why it must be vacated early on.

I doubt Ruben means to precisely equate homosexual closets with political ostracism, and I certainly don't, but my central point still stands: why would a Trump supporter want to come on here and subject themselves to the abuse?

Also, how can someone use a metaphor without being accused of equating two things precisely?  I think I will try to stay away from metaphors from now on.  They seem to be the target instead of, you know, the actual point.

I live in the states, but last year I took my yacht and spent some time vacationing in a castle outside of London. Then I cruised down and did a safari in west Africa before yachting back home. It was a lot like the triangular trade.

What? Why is everyone getting bent out of shape, I'm just saying I took a boat trip across the Atlantic, just like the slaves.


Tom Selleck is a lot like Hitler, in that they both have famous mustaches.

What? It's a metaphor, people!!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5611 on: November 16, 2020, 09:31:07 AM »
@Davnasty

Dave Ruben wrote a comparison between being politically closeted and sexually closeted in his (imo, very good) book Don't Burn this Book.  It is much better than my ham-handed rhetoric.  There is an excerpt in the link, but I recommend picking up a copy.

I used to listen to the Rubin Report a lot (still do, but used to too!). His journey has been... interesting. In my opinion he has fallen into the very trap that he was trying to avoid. He was trying to get away from identity politics. Trying to have open conversations and get a bird's eye view of the landscape.

But now his show is almost entirely defined by left vs. right. Us vs. Them. He references "the other" as though we are supposed to know what he is talking about. He has quite a few valid criticism of the media and such, but also got completely sucked into the "classical liberal" (read: conservative) culture. Spent a tour with Jordan Peterson then did some thinking on the beach and decided that he believed in a God. Read Ayn Rand and decided that the world is better with 100% free markets. Not that any of these things are bad, but watching it happen from the outside it is weird to see in real time and to such an extreme. He's using his new hammer to hit lots of nails.

I think he is genuine and that goes a long way, but I wouldn't put much into his present analysis of the current state of affairs. He's taken a big swig of the kool-aid so to speak (at least, from how I see it).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5612 on: November 16, 2020, 09:54:59 AM »
@Davnasty

Dave Ruben wrote a comparison between being politically closeted and sexually closeted in his (imo, very good) book Don't Burn this Book.  It is much better than my ham-handed rhetoric.  There is an excerpt in the link, but I recommend picking up a copy.

I used to listen to the Rubin Report a lot (still do, but used to too!). His journey has been... interesting. In my opinion he has fallen into the very trap that he was trying to avoid. He was trying to get away from identity politics. Trying to have open conversations and get a bird's eye view of the landscape.

But now his show is almost entirely defined by left vs. right. Us vs. Them. He references "the other" as though we are supposed to know what he is talking about. He has quite a few valid criticism of the media and such, but also got completely sucked into the "classical liberal" (read: conservative) culture. Spent a tour with Jordan Peterson then did some thinking on the beach and decided that he believed in a God. Read Ayn Rand and decided that the world is better with 100% free markets. Not that any of these things are bad, but watching it happen from the outside it is weird to see in real time and to such an extreme. He's using his new hammer to hit lots of nails.

I think he is genuine and that goes a long way, but I wouldn't put much into his present analysis of the current state of affairs. He's taken a big swig of the kool-aid so to speak (at least, from how I see it).

Also, he's being paid by Glenn Beck's media group. >90% of his guests are far right-wing. He never challenges them and only expresses doubts to the few left-wing guests he brings on. If he's not a right-wing hack himself, then he's just the tool of right-wing hacks.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5613 on: November 16, 2020, 11:06:56 AM »
I doubt Ruben means to precisely equate homosexual closets with political ostracism, and I certainly don't, but my central point still stands: why would a Trump supporter want to come on here and subject themselves to the abuse?

Also, how can someone use a metaphor without being accused of equating two things precisely?  I think I will try to stay away from metaphors from now on.  They seem to be the target instead of, you know, the actual point.

That's a good idea, especially in cases like this where the analogy* doesn't really add to the point. The bolded is easy enough to understand on its own, the analogy actually distracted from your point.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5614 on: November 16, 2020, 12:28:34 PM »
So this may qualify as the Trump outrage of the last four years.  How many families are similar.  I know ours has been impacted as I argue with my brother and my parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/opinions/trump-tore-my-family-apart-eldredge/index.html
OMG, this is amazing! I'm feeling the same way with my family, but never could have articulated it this well.

That's the trick isn't it - being able to articulate your feelings well? Same problem with some of our family. None of us - on either side - could argue our way out of a paper sack. They parrot their favorite politicians and TV channels. We stick to fact checking. And ultimately little or no progress made... So we avoid the whole thing and wince each time we read their next Facebook post or email railing against those pesky liberals of whom we might be part of depending on the subject.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5615 on: November 16, 2020, 08:14:46 PM »
To be fair, we need to hear the authors' family member's point of view. Family feuds are rarely due to one person's shortcomings alone. He seems pretty upset at someone he claims to love for having opinions that haven't directly hurt him (as far as he explains).

My brother in law supports Trump for reasons I can't fathom. Neither of us are in groups that stand to significantly benefit from his overall policies. However, we've managed to not burn our relationship to the ground because we both accept each other has flaws and family is more important than a one-term president. He's not even a dictator for life! That's when it gets serious, because then you or the other family member may be disappeared!

Not to minimize the suffering all of this has caused. On the one hand it's good to know your relative's true feelings and not just the niceties they like to project. On the other, it's good to know why they feel that way about whatever reason they support Trump. On the balance, it doesn't seem to be worth the time suck. Hopefully bonds can be repaired after he fades up the golden escalator one last time.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5616 on: November 17, 2020, 09:20:08 AM »
To be fair, we need to hear the authors' family member's point of view. Family feuds are rarely due to one person's shortcomings alone. He seems pretty upset at someone he claims to love for having opinions that haven't directly hurt him (as far as he explains).

My brother in law supports Trump for reasons I can't fathom. Neither of us are in groups that stand to significantly benefit from his overall policies. However, we've managed to not burn our relationship to the ground because we both accept each other has flaws and family is more important than a one-term president. He's not even a dictator for life! That's when it gets serious, because then you or the other family member may be disappeared!

Not to minimize the suffering all of this has caused. On the one hand it's good to know your relative's true feelings and not just the niceties they like to project. On the other, it's good to know why they feel that way about whatever reason they support Trump. On the balance, it doesn't seem to be worth the time suck. Hopefully bonds can be repaired after he fades up the golden escalator one last time.

I agree, there were a lot of snide comments and lack-of-good-faith arguments in that article. The author is certainly not in the clear even by their own account. I liked the idea of the article and the opening paragraph, but didn't find it to be convincing at all (in fact rater the opposite). Most of the "disagreements" were accounts of conversations on Facebook for goodness sake. If you're concerned about being de-friended on a social media site, give that person a phone call.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5617 on: November 17, 2020, 09:36:39 AM »
Meanwhile, Trump's yes-man covid guy is giving patently bad advice. Yes, the isolation of the elderly is terrible, but this is not the solution.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/atlas-urges-people-to-spend-thanksgiving-with-elderly-despite-covid-because-they-may-die-soon

I swear their strategy is just to shake the magic 8 ball until it tells them something they like to hear.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5618 on: November 17, 2020, 09:43:23 AM »
Meanwhile, Trump's yes-man covid guy is giving patently bad advice. Yes, the isolation of the elderly is terrible, but this is not the solution.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/atlas-urges-people-to-spend-thanksgiving-with-elderly-despite-covid-because-they-may-die-soon

I swear their strategy is just to shake the magic 8 ball until it tells them something they like to hear.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. 

The same way I urge all my motorcycle riding friends to drive drunk and not wear helmets.  I mean, you're gonna die very soon anyway, especially if you heed my advice. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5619 on: November 17, 2020, 10:00:05 AM »
Meanwhile, Trump's yes-man covid guy is giving patently bad advice. Yes, the isolation of the elderly is terrible, but this is not the solution.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/atlas-urges-people-to-spend-thanksgiving-with-elderly-despite-covid-because-they-may-die-soon

I swear their strategy is just to shake the magic 8 ball until it tells them something they like to hear.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. 

The same way I urge all my motorcycle riding friends to drive drunk and not wear helmets.  I mean, you're gonna die very soon anyway, especially if you heed my advice.

yeah, and what's with all those seat belts? car crashes are a hoax.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5620 on: November 17, 2020, 10:01:38 AM »
Meanwhile, Trump's yes-man covid guy is giving patently bad advice. Yes, the isolation of the elderly is terrible, but this is not the solution.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/atlas-urges-people-to-spend-thanksgiving-with-elderly-despite-covid-because-they-may-die-soon

I swear their strategy is just to shake the magic 8 ball until it tells them something they like to hear.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. 

The same way I urge all my motorcycle riding friends to drive drunk and not wear helmets.  I mean, you're gonna die very soon anyway, especially if you heed my advice.

yeah, and what's with all those seat belts? car crashes are a hoax.

I was in a car accident once. small bruise on my arm, I was over it in a few days. Just like bumping into someone in a hallway. No big deal.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5621 on: November 17, 2020, 10:36:18 AM »
I can't keep my eyes away from the crazy.

Lin Wood, Trump attorney, is hinting that his phone is bugged (or maybe the left is controlling the signal?) because of the "truth missiles" he's about to deliver re: the election and fraudulent votes. No explanation about why he didn't tweet the truth or tell Fox or OAN or Breitbart.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1328474078819344386
Call abruptly ended as I was about to fire another truth missile. Lots of odd events occurring with my cell service. Is anyone else noticing cell issues or is it just me?

Remember several-hour 911 outage a few weeks ago? Media did not report it or try to explain it.

Why not?

This search for a deep state conspiracy gives people meaning in their lives. It's a never-ending, very complex, LARP with a satisfying ending "2 weeks from now."*



* The latest "2 weeks" is from Scott Adams, https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1327935689405599744

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5622 on: November 17, 2020, 10:41:28 AM »
I can't keep my eyes away from the crazy.

Lin Wood, Trump attorney, is hinting that his phone is bugged (or maybe the left is controlling the signal?) because of the "truth missiles" he's about to deliver re: the election and fraudulent votes. No explanation about why he didn't tweet the truth or tell Fox or OAN or Breitbart.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1328474078819344386
Call abruptly ended as I was about to fire another truth missile. Lots of odd events occurring with my cell service. Is anyone else noticing cell issues or is it just me?

Remember several-hour 911 outage a few weeks ago? Media did not report it or try to explain it.

Why not?

This search for a deep state conspiracy gives people meaning in their lives. It's a never-ending, very complex, LARP with a satisfying ending "2 weeks from now."*



* The latest "2 weeks" is from Scott Adams, https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1327935689405599744

Well Trump is about to reveal his “beautiful” health care plan any day now, as well as all the evidence his private investigators have unearthed about Obama’s origin. Any day now...  it’s shocking, i tell you.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5623 on: November 17, 2020, 11:18:04 AM »
I can't keep my eyes away from the crazy.

Lin Wood, Trump attorney, is hinting that his phone is bugged (or maybe the left is controlling the signal?) because of the "truth missiles" he's about to deliver re: the election and fraudulent votes. No explanation about why he didn't tweet the truth or tell Fox or OAN or Breitbart.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1328474078819344386
Call abruptly ended as I was about to fire another truth missile. Lots of odd events occurring with my cell service. Is anyone else noticing cell issues or is it just me?

Remember several-hour 911 outage a few weeks ago? Media did not report it or try to explain it.

Why not?

This search for a deep state conspiracy gives people meaning in their lives. It's a never-ending, very complex, LARP with a satisfying ending "2 weeks from now."*



* The latest "2 weeks" is from Scott Adams, https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1327935689405599744
Seems apropros:

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5624 on: November 17, 2020, 02:29:31 PM »
I can't keep my eyes away from the crazy.

Lin Wood, Trump attorney, is hinting that his phone is bugged (or maybe the left is controlling the signal?) because of the "truth missiles" he's about to deliver re: the election and fraudulent votes. No explanation about why he didn't tweet the truth or tell Fox or OAN or Breitbart.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1328474078819344386
Call abruptly ended as I was about to fire another truth missile. Lots of odd events occurring with my cell service. Is anyone else noticing cell issues or is it just me?

Remember several-hour 911 outage a few weeks ago? Media did not report it or try to explain it.

Why not?

This search for a deep state conspiracy gives people meaning in their lives. It's a never-ending, very complex, LARP with a satisfying ending "2 weeks from now."*



* The latest "2 weeks" is from Scott Adams, https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1327935689405599744

His lawyers are something like 2 for 12 with these lawsuits and those two "wins" didn't change a single vote, but any day now a 'big' bombshell of a lawsuit will hit the streets.  The same guys over and over again telling the news "we're just ensuring a fair election/every vote is counted/the fraud is obvious" are getting just plain boring at this point. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5625 on: November 17, 2020, 05:14:03 PM »
Chris Krebs is out, fired by tweet.

Krebs contradicted the President's claims about fraudulent votes.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5626 on: November 17, 2020, 05:38:50 PM »
My vote still isn't certified. Fuck this shit and the cult of Trump.

Detroit Free Press: GOP members of Wayne County Board of Canvassers vote against certifying election results

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5627 on: November 17, 2020, 05:55:29 PM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5628 on: November 17, 2020, 05:58:54 PM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.

That seems to be the current strategy -- delay certification long enough through frivolous lawsuits so that certification is impossible, tossing the election to the House, which would elect Trump.

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Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5629 on: November 17, 2020, 07:20:29 PM »
My vote still isn't certified. Fuck this shit and the cult of Trump.

Detroit Free Press: GOP members of Wayne County Board of Canvassers vote against certifying election results

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On Tuesday, the two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers cast an unprecedented vote against certifying the county's November election results for the county's 43 jurisdictions, including Detroit, Michigan's largest voting jurisdiction.
Sounds like they just change the vote and certified it.

Sounds like time to have a nice cup of your favorite beverage and sleep well tonight :)


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5630 on: November 17, 2020, 07:52:28 PM »
My vote still isn't certified. Fuck this shit and the cult of Trump.

Detroit Free Press: GOP members of Wayne County Board of Canvassers vote against certifying election results

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On Tuesday, the two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers cast an unprecedented vote against certifying the county's November election results for the county's 43 jurisdictions, including Detroit, Michigan's largest voting jurisdiction.
Sounds like they just change the vote and certified it.

Sounds like time to have a nice cup of your favorite beverage and sleep well tonight :)


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5631 on: November 17, 2020, 07:55:31 PM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.

That seems to be the current strategy -- delay certification long enough through frivolous lawsuits so that certification is impossible, tossing the election to the House, which would elect Trump.

They better hope they get a different judge than the last couple cases. Those folks are as fed up with the crap lawsuits as the rest of us.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5632 on: November 17, 2020, 08:27:07 PM »
Chris Krebs is out, fired by tweet.

Krebs contradicted the President's claims about fraudulent votes.

Trump Fires Election Security Director Who Corrected Voter Fraud Disinformation

I think that this might be his single largest attack on democracy and the normal functioning of our country.

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« Reply #5633 on: November 17, 2020, 08:28:58 PM »
Do you think he will fire the entire executive branch by January ?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5634 on: November 17, 2020, 08:38:17 PM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.

That seems to be the current strategy -- delay certification long enough through frivolous lawsuits so that certification is impossible, tossing the election to the House, which would elect Trump.

They better hope they get a different judge than the last couple cases. Those folks are as fed up with the crap lawsuits as the rest of us.

This one seems particularly unhinged. "Give us the win or throw out all the ballots statewide" is not a sane campaign strategy. It's the Veruca Salt tactic.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5635 on: November 17, 2020, 09:19:46 PM »
Do you think he will fire the entire executive branch by January ?

Somebody needs to buy him a windmill to poke at.

Chris Krebs is out, fired by tweet.

Krebs contradicted the President's claims about fraudulent votes.

Trump Fires Election Security Director Who Corrected Voter Fraud Disinformation

I think that this might be his single largest attack on democracy and the normal functioning of our country.

At least the judiciary is earning its keep thus far.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5636 on: November 17, 2020, 11:03:36 PM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.

That seems to be the current strategy -- delay certification long enough through frivolous lawsuits so that certification is impossible, tossing the election to the House, which would elect Trump.

They better hope they get a different judge than the last couple cases. Those folks are as fed up with the crap lawsuits as the rest of us.

This one seems particularly unhinged. "Give us the win or throw out all the ballots statewide" is not a sane campaign strategy. It's the Veruca Salt tactic.

Red meat for the cult to keep up hope and toss more money into that pit.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5637 on: November 18, 2020, 02:38:00 AM »
This article about QAnon and game theory is both eye-opening and pretty scary--I'd wondered why QAnon has gotten so much traction in the political and social media spheres, and this article is very thorough in explaining why:  https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5638 on: November 18, 2020, 03:23:44 AM »
Also, WaPo: Trump campaign challenges Nevada results

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The Trump campaign said it is challenging Nevada’s election results under a state law that lets candidates contest an election based on allegedly fraudulent votes and other grounds.

In a document filed Tuesday, Republicans asked a state court in Carson City to declare Trump the winner of Nevada’s six presidential electors or to annul the election entirely, meaning no winner would be certified from Nevada. The document promises evidence of fraud but does not provide it.

That seems to be the current strategy -- delay certification long enough through frivolous lawsuits so that certification is impossible, tossing the election to the House, which would elect Trump.

They better hope they get a different judge than the last couple cases. Those folks are as fed up with the crap lawsuits as the rest of us.

This one seems particularly unhinged. "Give us the win or throw out all the ballots statewide" is not a sane campaign strategy. It's the Veruca Salt tactic.

Red meat for the cult to keep up hope and toss more money into that pit.

I did love the exchange between the judge and Guliani where the judge asks “and what scrutiny shall I apply?”, scrutiny in this context being a defined word applicable to constitutional law, and Rudi responded with “the normal kind”.

Failing his high school law classes there...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5639 on: November 18, 2020, 04:46:53 AM »
He made just as much of a fool of himself as we thought he would. Some analysts were wondering if he even read the suit before showing up. He was a little light on basic procedures, lingo, and once again anything more substantial than wild accusations. You're not on Fox News anymore Rudy.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5640 on: November 18, 2020, 05:00:59 AM »
This article about QAnon and game theory is both eye-opening and pretty scary--I'd wondered why QAnon has gotten so much traction in the political and social media spheres, and this article is very thorough in explaining why:  https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
So in the words of a writer, QAnon is a Plot Bunny Factory.

But do they really think there is a person named Q telling them "search for X to find the answer"? I always thought that Q was a reference to Q from 007.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5641 on: November 18, 2020, 06:12:22 AM »
In the era before Trump, Giuliana had already built an eight-figure international security consulting firm. It's not clear to me Trump pays him. So why do you think he's sacrificing his reputation for this?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5642 on: November 18, 2020, 06:16:33 AM »
In the era before Trump, Giuliana had already built an eight-figure international security consulting firm. It's not clear to me Trump pays him. So why do you think he's sacrificing his reputation for this?

Tit for tat. I suspect that either Trump is covering up something, or that Giuliani will be a central figure in any lawsuits opened against Trump after January 20.

I’m starting to suspect that the same is true of Lindsey Graham.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5643 on: November 18, 2020, 06:41:28 AM »
In the era before Trump, Giuliana had already built an eight-figure international security consulting firm. It's not clear to me Trump pays him. So why do you think he's sacrificing his reputation for this?

Tit for tat. I suspect that either Trump is covering up something, or that Giuliani will be a central figure in any lawsuits opened against Trump after January 20.

I’m starting to suspect that the same is true of Lindsey Graham.

Rudy has been Trump's hype man for months.  My uneducated guess would be he was hoping to cash in as the man behind the man for the next four years and this is what he's left with.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5644 on: November 18, 2020, 07:35:33 AM »
But do they really think there is a person named Q telling them "search for X to find the answer"? I always thought that Q was a reference to Q from 007.

No I think Q is a reference to Q Clearance in the Department of Energy, which this anonymous person supposedly has, which is why he knows about all of Trump's secret plans to take down the "pedophile Democrats" and how everything that happens is supposedly "just part of the plan".

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5645 on: November 18, 2020, 07:50:16 AM »
In the era before Trump, Giuliana had already built an eight-figure international security consulting firm. It's not clear to me Trump pays him. So why do you think he's sacrificing his reputation for this?

Rudy is up to his eyeballs in debt - mostly the result of several marriages gone bad (IIRC he cheated).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5646 on: November 18, 2020, 07:59:13 AM »
In the era before Trump, Giuliana had already built an eight-figure international security consulting firm. It's not clear to me Trump pays him. So why do you think he's sacrificing his reputation for this?

Rudy is up to his eyeballs in debt - mostly the result of several marriages gone bad (IIRC he cheated).








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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5647 on: November 18, 2020, 08:11:03 AM »
Giuliani may be the only person whose relationship with Trump is more damaging to Trump's reputation than it is to his own.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5648 on: November 18, 2020, 08:52:03 AM »
So I want to know if Trump will pardon the Thanksgiving turkey this year?

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« Reply #5649 on: November 18, 2020, 08:52:51 AM »
I Imagine that he will do actual pardons of people. Why not?